Pruning And Thinning The Grape Vines
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thank you for the great videos you have inspired me to grow my own grapevine which I got about a month ago and it is now three times the size it was I will keep watching and learning 😊
In Jordan and most of the middle east we will pickle the grapes you are taking off. Very yummy. So nothing goes waste. The grape leaves we stuff with rice and neat too. Sowaste not want not.
Good to hear you using a lot of the plant
one of the best videos on growing grapes in the UK, thank you very much on posting this and sharing your knowledge. i have inherited 6 mature vines in a collapsed 6 meter polytunnel at my allotment that I am currently rennovating, and I will need to watch this video a few times in future for reference purposes.
Great video explaining what and how to summer prune grapevines. Came here from the RHS video, which quite frankly they need to replace and use this one!
hi Tony mate. can you do a close up of where you trim your grape at the main stem please
I like your arrangement. The birds "prune" my grapes even the green ones. It was good to learn the proper way.
lol michael
Thank you so much. I have taken over an allotment with a grapevine that has gone mad! Now I know it is time to be drastic - may be too late for this year but will persevere. Thank you so much for explaining it so well.
Best of luck! Julia, let the leaves fall then cut it back to the desired framework you want. it will be easier to see what is what when you just have the vine
My dad used to love his garden but as he's got older he's lost interest so I'm gently taking the reins without ruining his years of hard work. So far he's been supportive of some of the alterations, for instance, he's more into flowers where as I prefer the vegetables, but he's been Ok with letting me turn more space into veggies as I don't use any feeds or chemicals, but the one thing he never had success with was this grape vine he purchased some ten years or so ago which her planted against the wall of a east facing shed, it was like this for some five years until he built another shed in front of it, and that's how it's been for the last five years. A couple of years ago, I went through the neglected garden and hacked everything back and surprisingly the following summer the grape vine grew like never before, even had about 30 bunches of tiny pea size grapes, it had never had anything on it before, ever! I was again ruthless and had to hack it back again and this year there are about 50 bunches, it even grew into the neighbours garden and covered the roof of the shed, again, none of the grapes are any larger than the size of a pea, but it's been real exciting to see the last two years or so happening, it's totally surprised my dad. I really this grape vine to do well, and I know it's late now, but after watching your informative video I'm going to sacrifice most of the weaker looking bunches, take away many of the tendrils (as don't have any support in to train anything), prune it as you describe, and grow some of the off shoots and see what happens, then next year really pay special attention to it. so thank you for the really interesting video...
What a great story. If you thin the bunches out to like how I suggest in the video and even thin the bunch itself removing some of the grapes from the bunch when they are tiny you will get much bigger grapes. After the fruit is gone feed the plant well ready for next year
Great video. Anither including the thinning I'd individual clusters would be great too.
Very informative very well explained. Well done Sir and thank you for the upload.
Hi thank you for your video I have a grapevine in the greenhouse but the root is outside last year root was inside and like last year my grapes were only pea-size I have not got a clue what I am doing wrong never know what to prune but now I will prune just like you did in the video is there a picture somewhere showing the vine and what spurs to leave on vine thank you
That's a very impressive sight, all of those bunches of grapes cascading down from the timbers. It must give you a great sense of pride, to have achieved that amount of growth in such a short time too. I remember a German gardener saying that in order to have sweet grapes, each bunch requires a minimum of three leaves to support it. (Adequate photosynthesis)
What wonderful fruit on earth. Very fruitful!
Really amazing.
You have filmed some of the most informative grape videos, really appreciate it! Such an incredible vine for only 2 years old, what a monster! Keen to see a harvest video
Luke most of them get harvested as we need them or end up coming off for wine, I havent filmed that as its not very informative but you do get to see how they are in lots of videos where I might point them out
wow! I really need to get pruning!
My grape vines are loaded with grapes due to the excessive amounts of rain in our area. So glad to have found your video because now I know exactly what to do. Thanks.
Thank you for your film, you remind me of a very kind man I knew once. Thank you again and may the Lord bless and keep you.😊
Thank you so much for such a kind comment
Nice video! Nice vines. You don't have to throw away the grapes (the ones you did cut off) that are not ripe yet but they have this acid sour taste like lemon, could make lemonade style juice if you crunch them and boil and add some sugar🙂
Do you eat the vines leaves? I have a recipe for stuffed vine leaves if you fancy trying them. Also you can juice the unripe grapes to create an acidic green juice called verjus which can be used as a salad dressing or diluted with tonic water for a drink - that way you use everything and it is not as heartbreaking to cut them off ;)
Sometimes we stuff them but its not a staple here
Green prunings can be stewed and fermented into 'Folly wine' after feuilles for leaves. It's fantastic white wine, especially if you make it fizzy- two wine harvests per year!
I use the leaves in my pickles!
in Iran we do the same..we make Dolme barege Moe, which is stuffed grape leaves. We also juice the unripe fruit and it is called Aab ghore...We also keep the unripe grapes in bottles and pour some salted water and the juice and use it in cooking or salads...
Thanks fella. Just wanted to check I was on the right track with my grape vine and this helped a lot.
Brilliant - learned more from this than any book I've ever read on the subject!
Hi thanks. i am glad you were able to follow it and was of interest :)
I purchased a black grape variety (don't know the name, but it's the same as the one in Hampton Court?), I planted it outside my greenhouse and grow it inside the greenhouse,... it is now 3 years old, if yours is 2 years old, mine is a slow grower, for the first time this year, I have about 4 bunches of grapes, I have trained it to grow along wire, I think eventually it will take over as it has lots of leaves, maybe that's the problem, too much foliage??
Yes Paul the plant is using its energy on foliage instead of fruit check out my newest grape video from last week to give u all the tips mate
Thanks!
Thanks for the video, this was the best I found and answered my questions. I’ve had my vine for about 8 years and planted it at front of the house 2 years ago, this year it’s got massive and I’m training it along the front of the house wall, grapes are hanging everywhere this year, I had a go at cutting leafs off to allow sun to get to ripen the grapes but was unsure how to trim it, this helped massively. Thank you.
Im glad its helped you Julia. Sounds like your vine is doing great
You can find recipes for making wine from the leaves you cut off or you can actually preserve the leaves in salt brine for making stuffed vine leaves...so there is never waste in the garden. Grape leaves are great to add into pickled cucumbers etc. too.
Yes! This is what I was looking for!
Glad it was helful
Watching from the Philippines
Thank you for sharing. I'm a beginner grapevine grower
Hello Tony, looks like I will be pruning a little bit more off my vines, mine is planted out side and I don't water or feed, will have to see how they get on without it. Well explained and informative.
🌱Happy Gardening my friend, Terry.
Thanks Terry. Hopefully we both get some great grapes
Your place for your vineyard is so roomy. Thank you for sharing
You are so welcome
Found your films absolutely brilliant, I've been thinking of trying to grow grapes in my greenhouse, but I've been a bit apprehensive. Watching your videos has given me the confidence to have a go. Thank you so much.
Oh let me know how it goes for you Alan and they are well worth growing
Just started growing them this year - very useful and thanks very much
Thanks for a great video, I don't know how I have missed it previously.
I was watching the video where you planted these 2 vines, & look at them now, wow, all of this growth from 2 plants, amazing. My vines are still in their first year, so they've got a few years to go before I expect any decent grapes. Thanks for sharing your information.
Thank you so much 😊
Best grape vid yet, the first one that wasn't totally confusing! Thanks :)
Glad you found value in it
This is the video I am looking for.It gives me lots of information on how to prune grapes.
I LEARNED A LOT THANKS FORSHARING INFO
Thanks
Thank you. I commented on your other grapevine video I have two overgrown concord grape vines. That video and this will get me straightened out and clean them up.
Thank you.
Glad I could help!
This video is so informative for the beginner. We have a grape vine that is 3yrs old thre are two very small bunches of grapes it. Not sure if this is what we are to expect need some advice please. Thank you so much for your time and helpful advice and your knowledge it is much appreciated.
The vines were just coming to 3 year old in this video so I would suggest you ensure they are planted outside and then brought inside and are fed at the end of this year and again in spring, I have other grape videos look for the fruit playlist and it will walk you through it all
Love it. I'm looking to make a little overhead trellis for one of my vines and this has given me some ideas. Cheers.
Go for it! Would love to see it when done :)
Hi, just curious. Can't we remove the extra grape clusters while they were still very small?
Yes you can
I planted a vine last spring to grow up to a pergola (2.5m high), I snipped off any tendrils or side shoots to encourage vertical growth and over the year it grew to just below the ‘roof’ structure. This spring side shoots have appeared a little lower than where it stopped last year, as well as further down the trunk of course. Because my main aim is to create a canopy I plan on leaving the top 2 shoots to grow and remove the lower ones,as well as the tendrils and the tiny grapes clusters.
Can I prune throughout the growing season as and when I see shoots appearing that I don’t want to encourage the upper framework?
Would I be better leaving side shoots to grow so there are more leaves to catch the sun?
Your poly tunnel growth was amazing for 1 year, I’m hoping here in Penzance, even though I’m not using a poly tunnel, to see long growth like yours this year.
Super sir
Better than any book, are you going to do a vid on winter pruning as this is a part which is not covered very well in books or is made too complicated.
Could you please explain more about “one leaf above” above what? Bunch of grapes? Thank you
Awesome update thank you for sharing and blessing Tony and family
Same to you to Linda. Thanks for the support :)
It'd be nice to see close ups and if you said what you are doing, exactly, each time. The new vine you fastened to the beam--I thought that each arm/vine was only to be a certain length, like 14 leaves. Past that shorten?
I live in the tropical country and during this pandemic period i resorted to gardening and i have five grape plants that i germinated from seeds,about four months ago and now growing as vine. I would like to know how many years do my grapes bear fruits from seeds and what fertilzers im going to use to make them grow. So far i dont use fertilizer because i want my grapes grow naturally and organically but i need them to grow fast and bear fruits.
excellent video
Thanks Steven
Nice video, I will upload my video of Sunder Khani grapes in UK.
Excellent video! Very informative. Great job of explaining what your doing and how to do it.I'm growing jupiter grapes, I'll try the trick you've tried ,greetings from Kalimantan, Indonesia
Thanks
Thanks for the helpful video about explaining the pruning process.
Hi Ryan, Glad it was of interest to you. If you need any more advice don't hesitate to shout :)
This was the only real in depth video thanks.
Glad it was of interest to you :)
Great tip Tony. Sad that so many bunches have to be sacrificed.
Yes it is but the plant wont support them
Very informative and useful for a novice like me. Cheers
Glad it was helpful!
I have just moved my next door son's 8x6 greenhouse, including an inside-planted grapevine (both 40-50 years old) over the hedge into my garden - with glass removed 🙂. Just putting the 50 panes back. Both are 40-50 years old. It has fruited previously, but we neglected it 2 years to renovate his house. It grew healthily to fill the greenhouse, so to grow tomatoes and knowing nothing about vines, I cut everything back, including the main 1.5" diameter "trunk" to about a foot, leaving two 10 ft green runners, now turning woody. It grew one small bunch this year.
I have brought both new runners into the greenhouse through a bottom corner, the root ball (as big as I could get) planted outside in a 50% grit sand/30% fine soil/10% clay soil and 10% compost, stones and pebbles mix. Does anyone know if I have done this correctly and, if it survives, whether it might fruit next year from those two runners? Or cut them off to start a new one, or two? I still struggle with understanding the process of pruning it as/if it grows.
NB. Simplify Gardening, seeing your location mentioned below. By coincidence, I also live in Nelson, but the Lancashire one! Thanks for making this helpful video in your very busy time. I'm 76 next month and never been busier myself, veg growing my new love. I can only hope for results like yours. Subbed and liked. Cheers.
Thank you so much for that information about the grapevine as we have brought one this season for the 1st time very good video from Wolverhampton 👍👍
Thanks Beverley. there is a video from April last year too showing how to train and espalier these vines
iv always been taught to not prune those vinesin summer time because that where the vine get the sugar content for the grapes the last2-3 weeks before harvest my scuppernonngs are the same way they get sweeter about last 10 days just a thought????????????????
Glad you gave that advice I have my grape vine which is starting to grow and I was wondering what I had to do cheers 🍻
Glad it was of help :)
Question please: i planted my grapes mid in late June. They're still not showing any sign of growth after 2 weeks. How bad is it to miss the optimum planting phase?
Thx!
Do you have snow there? Like Canada? Is your green house strong and built for the weight?
Yes the tunnel is very strong we dont have snow now we have passed our last frost date
I was waiting for this video since last year lol I was going to message you for an update I started mine the same time as you but I damaged it by cutting it too low so had to allow it to grow again it really does grow fast.
Yeah a load of people been asking for this video. Glad it was of interest, hope yours are looking good too
I am growing grapes in a greenhouse as well. I live at a high elevation in the Pacific NW of the US. Think lots of rain - clouds. Do you have any more vid's about growing grapes in the greenhouse..?? Thanks
Wow Tony, that grape vine looks amazing. You got to be cruel to be kind to get the best grapes. What varieties are they ?. 🍇🍇 All the best Nic
I will let you know Nic it eludes me atm and im not at the plot to see
Great video. Could you please tell me your recomended fertilizer for flower budding and fruiting. Thank you 😊
It's good
I live in the North East of England and have a 2 year old vine. I planted it and left it. After watching some videos I came to your video. I have decided to use the main trunk as a cordon and one side shoot as a cordon ( both theses have tiny bunches on them ). My question is that there are about 3 other side shoots ( cordons ) that have leafed out but have no fruit, can I today 18 June 2020 cut these off back to the main trunk to allow more energy to my 2 main cordons. The reason I ask is because I read that pruning in summer can make the vine weep. Thank you.
i would remove the fruit until next year use the energy to build the structure Sorry for the late reply
I have vine jealousy LOL
Hey. Thanks these have just started coming in to leaf again
HELP! My neighborhood used to be a vineyard and we have some wild grape vines as the property sat idle for about 8 years before homes were built on it.
Are these vines saveable? Do I need to cut them back a lot to get them back to producing? Are they too old to change back into producers? thanks!
Would this be a trellis form of spur pruning?
I have concord grapes n they have gone crazy. I need to prune them this fall. I have a table grape but no grapes. Why? Should I prune that one hard?
Great video. Just one question how do you stop slugs from sliming all over the ripening bunches.
I use nematodes in my garden and I dont suffer with slug damage at all
Thanks I'll give nematodes a go
another great video Tony keep up the good work.
Cheers Rocco, Lots coming and hopefully some good ideas for you guys
What grape vines could you reccomend me for growing in north east England
Use the leftover grapes to make a magnesium and phosphate fertilizer
Great ideas jamie
Great information. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
When is first pruning?? Mine are going wild long vines and they haven't flowered yet.
Now is the time for me
I thought you could only prune grapevines in the winter? Cani prune my grapevine now in June? I’ve got a branch that is a bit useless that I’d like to get rid of and make cuttings from but I’m scared of killing it?
Yes remove it Bev Sorry for the late reply
Hello there. Can you please advise if you spray your grape vines ? My vines are all infected now with brown spots, half of my crop are becoming rotten. I need your urgent help. Thank you so much in advance.
I never spray mine airflow is key
Thanks for the content. Could you please show exactly what you are cutting as you actually cut more clearly. I have a grape vine in my backyard (new house). So I don't know how old it is. Could you please explain how to prune it back in fall?
I have other videos on the grapes that show this. Check out the fruit playlists
We use grape plants as roof for our framed gazebo. We've never cropped or pruned due to the plants being more ornamental. The yeild isnt too important but we're never sure if none prining is correct. Any help would be great. Great video. Thumbs up and subbed. Thanks.
I would creat a structure over the gazebo and cut back to that each year this will allow the vines to get stronger and not weaker as time goes on
@@simplifygardening Thanks so much. It's been a moot point between my wife and myself.
great advice! my grape vine is still tiny at the moment. great video :)
Glad it was of interest. Yours will grow soon mine are only just over 2 years old
Great video! Thank you!
Would love to hear your advice, our grape started to produce for the first time. Do we need to cut the bunches of grape to make plant focus on the root growth? The plant is 3 years old. Thanks 😊🙏
I have 3rd year canes and cordons (single main cane with 2 arms 4’ each) and would like to know if I should allow spurs (6-8” shoots) off of each cordon.
I read that cane pruning is more common and I know that the real pruning occurs in late Fall.
I may have my terminology mixed up.
What should I do with the arms (cordons), allow them to grow shoots (fist width apart) that are 20-24” long?
The arms are 4’ from the ground. I will reduce the clusters later in the season.
reduce the stems back to one leaf after the cluster. check out last weeks video on grapes for more info
Are you going to make wine from these grapes? If you are please can you make a video on the process of wine making. Thanks. Chris.
Hi Chris. not these ones as they are desert grapes. I have another vine planted its an external grape for wine making but it may not fruit this year
I have done a video. Making wine
Tony i do not know what sort of grape vine it is but the roots from most grape vines go down to 15 / 20 m that is were they get there water and minerals
I only give my vine a shovel of compost in autum and have never watered it and why are you throwing all the leves away they are good food full of minerals and very healthey
:)Richard The vines went in the compost. I eat the leaves sometimes but not all the time we stuff them
Evening Tony...I murdered my black hamburg grape vine that's in the middle greenhouse on my allotment by spilling Jeyes fluid on the main steam , However i have another in the front Greenhouse, So later on this week i think i better start a couple of cuttings off to replace the one i murder...lol
lol Mark. Yeah get a couple in some pots and let them go this year tie it up at the end of the year and by the end of next year they could be as big as mine are
What do you do to prevent disease
I have just ordered a grape plant and my dad built me a home made trellis out of scrap wood - can't wait to have grapes like yours in a few years time (hopefully)! I also have a question- what do you do with all the grapes?
That is awesome!
My grape vine has a LOT more leaves than yours. It looks like a huge, long, high Bush! It creates one side and the ‘roof’ of a walkway tunnel. Is it too late in the year (start of August) to brutally prune it?
I’ve only recently moved into my house and the grape is very old and VERY overgrown. I’ve pruned and shaped a little to stop it strangling everything else in the garden. The aesthetic is as important as the crop. The most important thing is I don’t want to ‘stress’ and kill the plant...
Hi what is the size of your greenhouse please
14ft wide 34ft long
Do you have a video on pruning a very small plant, in other words how to get started?
yes there is one called how to espalier grape vines check that out
thanks for this very informative tips.. may i ask how to get rid of the hairy caterpillars in my grape vine? they are eating most of the leaves already..
Yes you need amzn.to/2VdV1hh this will kill them all for you
Do you make wine with these Tony?
Thank you very much for this video. Living in France it's a relief to hear your accent (my Nana was Welsh). Easier to understand than most videos in French, anyway :)
We have a backyard vine here.
I have a question about when a small shoot starts growing on the opposite side of the cordon to the fruitbunch. ==/== like in this diagram , I had topped off the branch, the slash represents a grape bunch growing down and at the same time a brand new leader growing up opposite the grape. (apologies if my vocab is wrong).
Is this small shoot 12cm long helping or hindering the grape? (I've already thinned the grapes, as per your tips!)
Thanks again,
Tony.
Sorry for the late reply. I have been unwell. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Hello Sir, thanks for all these wonderful ideas. pls, how many grapevines do i need to plant on a plot of land?
Depends on how big a plot and how many grapes you want, all of this is 2 vines
Can you please zoom into the area you are cutting.😉❤️
I have some better videos on it search grapes simplify
Have you ever had problems with the cut site continuing to ooze. Here in WV they call it bleeding. I have always hesitated to to prune in spring and summer.
They can ooze but if done while the stems are thi enough it is nothing to worry about and heals over quickly. Sorry for the late reply I have had some personal issues
Why do your grapes look spindly is it the type of grapes it is I'm asking you because I don't no il just started mine thanks
Do you have a video when the grapes ripened?
Great video! I've referred to it a few times the last year or two.
Sorry if this was already asked, I tried to read all of them!
You can see them in the begining and ending of the Avocado video here, czcams.com/video/xjjH_RA69eE/video.html
hi, do you have a video on how to prune grapes before they have fruit on them - ie right now?
Sorry for the late reply Kaye, been busy with filming. Yes i do have a video. I will attach a link for you. Also there is another grape video you might want to watch coming this Friday.czcams.com/video/-iDj46SjdMk/video.html
I have a seedless reliance table grape vine which I’ve had for 5Yrs now. Doesn’t produce well! I’ve done it Gordon style am I doin it wrong? Should I instead just let it grow more out and long like yours? I’m really trying to understand the process of growing and producing grapes from just the main stem itself. Any advice would be appreciated thanks
Dave a grape will throw vines in all directions, Figure out a main shape you want and continue to cut back to that shape every year. If its not fruiting for you try giving it a high potassium feed