THE FINALS Taking A MASSIVE Gamble... (Attack & Defend Reaction)
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- This is one of the biggest turning points that THE FINALS is going to experience, and Embark Studios have gone all in with pushing out a massive change that will re-define how we play THE FINALS. Watch now to see my thoughts on what's to come!
Are you excited for this mode? Let me know your thoughts in the comment section below!
Music, in order;
Katnip - Silverware (Instrumental)
Dylan Sitts - Rogue
Lennon Hutton - Fallout
It’s a gamble but better than staying safe and taking 7 years to do anything. All for it!
All or nothin!
@THiiXY just randomly found your channel and wanted to say I love the focus on positivity and fun/originality over meta sweating. So many people want to play this game like a brainless cod fest and seem really toxic to literally everything Embark are doing, so your channel is a breath of fresh air and the guides have been really helpful in learning the game for a new player like me.
They had to show that there was only one life and no healing twice to show the light mains this isn’t tdm
LOL I pointed that out live that it was funny they showed that text twice ahaha
As a light main, with the current knowledge, I won't even be attempting to use light. One life light is basically playing siege and everyone else is playing Valorant.
@@tristanfarmer9031 I could see back line snipers but other than that and the upcoming stun gun nerf. It’s gonna be rough
So tired of this stereotypical hate towards light players. I regular hard carry my mediums and heavies as light going 21 and 3 and my teammates suicide all game long. I could write paragraphs about all the stupid things other classes do but that does absolutely nothing for the health of this game and its player base. This is a small community you are not helping it grow at all just promoting it being toxic
@@jinjin9410 that’s cool man. casuals tend to go towards light. Lot of them press w and die. Not all lights but it’s usually lights
As an R6 player, I approve of this mode. The builds will probably have more defined roles such as Re-frag, Entry Frag, Intel, Map Control, Map Denial, Anti-Utility, Roam, Lurk, etc.
100% if this game fits well tactically, it's my paradise because I love that stuff haha
Same
I didnt understand over half of what you wrote Dude
Bro this is going to be the r6 battlefield cross over bro that’s dope and they have the normal fast pass modes too super cool I think this mode could be awesome destruction is going to play a massive role and make every game very different
@@ChoiiXMasters Entry frag and Map Control are the same thing which the goal is to obtain map control over an area, Re-frag is just getting a kill on someone who just killed your teammate but technically it is just killing because the other team got one, Intel is self-explanatory, Map Denial is denying control over an area, Anti-Utiltiy is just taking out/messing with the opposing teams Utility, Roam is moving around the map to pick people off, and Lurk is essentially roam on attack but for getting in where people do not expect.
At the end of the day, live service is a marathon, and from a content stand point, I think Embark is killing it. Way ahead in terms of pace to other games out there. The game by the end of it’s year 1 run will have evolved so much, it’s hard not to get excited as a player
They are lightning fast yeah, kinda crazy I think that this should be documented or something LOL
Embark has earned my trust, I’ll try whatever they throw at us. Regardless of our opinions (invis nerf ‘controversy’), they’re actively trying to meet the community’s desires and at its core, this is an excessively fun game. The most pure fun I’ve had playing a fps in an extremely long time.
Helll yeaaa, I think negativity is louder than positivity, but one thing no one can contest is their work ethic, these updates are lightning fast and yeah balancing might not be there atm, but this is a marathon.
@@THiiXYmaybe I’m in the minority, but I hear a lot of people talking about the negativity more than I actually see it from ANY community in this game. Now I also don’t go on Reddit so maybe it’s there
@@arcanum3882they will cry everytime no matter what. Its pathetic. These cry babies are as bad as cheaters and most of them are probably both. This game is so fun.
@@JohnnyBananas7x who? I hope you’re not boxing out all criticism and feedback by filing it under negativity
@@JohnnyBananas7x your mad the game is dying 😂
I really hope it pays off as this game needs to flourish as it 100% deserves
hype is consuming me 🔥
I can feel the hype coming inside me 🔥
LES GOOOO TEAM VAIIYA
@@THiiXYVaiya's colour was shown as red. What if they're actually bad and CNS is the actual angle 👀
@@furquoise526 was that a math pun or just a misspell
@@zeiaddeiay3512I think he meant angel
One of the things that hooked me about The Finals was being able to respawn without worrying too much about being the best and just have fun, which led me to improve over the time without even realizing it. Unlike most games nowadays where you only have one life, I never quite get the hang of it and end up suffering more than I enjoy it. I just hope it brings some players back.
Yeah I know what you mean, personally I like that high risk gameplay, I think it might bring some players into it, but not forgetting that this type of mode is fun but doesn't bring as much to the core game, including progression etc. Let's see what happens!
Powershift is pretty much the only game mode that is even slightly "spawn, die, spawn, die"... All the other gamemodes punish rapid deaths heavily.
Yeah maybe I was too generic with how I worded it because I meant getting revived too
The Finals community: So tired of every Medium running heal beam and defib.
The Devs: Make a game mode with no heals or revives
The Finals community: HOW ARE WE GOING TO PLAY MEDIUM?!?!??!?!
*suprised namatama face
I actually might come back through the healing revive meta is what kills the game
Maybe more people will finally see the glory that is dematerializer
@@Jipooki very fun!
*laughs in turret and CL-40*
Personally I like that they are adding more game modes that are semi unique and do not stay to the same theme as the rest of the game modes. It sows that the company will gladly go into new territory with out tryong to fit some sort of gaming norm
Yeah I've said many times in my videos that Embark really aren't afraid to travel into the unknown, sure it might be a crazy out of the blue decision, but if they see something is fun to add in the game, they gonna add it!
I get that people want to compete and try hard, but i love that embark are doing things like this. I really liked powershift at first (im a little tired of it now) but its a way to switch things up.
The game is so much fun, i dont really care about balance and things like that i get frustrated with certain things sure, but i like that i can just play whatever i want and so can others. Not every game needs to be esports ready and fully balanced. I love that theyre trying new shit.
Yeah exactly man, I'll admit I did used to get frustrated with the game, but then once I realised that this isn't ready to be a competitive esport game, I started playing the game for fun and I've been having a way better time.
The edits on the video are super well done, It feels like i'm watching a movie lol
Ahaha thank you!! Also I love your name, reminds me of the good ole days on GTA IV :')
@@THiiXY It's basically the same name of the protagonist and i've choose it myself because I liked the character so much lol, thank you for your work about The Finals news.
I really like that they are pushing this different gamemodes to everyone, i like that they are giving the option to play the playstyle you like if you like the chaos of the game, you have cashout, if you like the heroo shooter aspect you have power shift and if now if you like the strategy that comes with destructible enviroments you have attack & defend, the only gamemode i think the game is missing its a 10v10 team death match for a truly casual and fun experience
Yeah I was thinking maybe CTF or something along that line but I’m all for a TDM mode, something that doesn’t force you to play in a certain place or way, very relaxed and casual
I just hope that the game mode might inspire some balance changes that shakes up the meta. I just don't want people to get mad at light invis or quick TTK that leads to the class getting more misdirected reworks.
Yeah for sure, I mean it could inversely split the community because the game modes are different, causing more work for Embark, but I'm not gonna judge balancing until I have fun and play the game as it was made, let's see what happens!
I really want them to try out fast ttk and fast revive times 😢
My inspiration in aim is ScreaM I’d love my one taps to return haha
@@ss-xc4ghfaster respawn times you mean? They had immediate revives before with the defibs but they changed it because ppl were crying about it.
@@JohnnyBananas7x if the current manual revive time is 4s, i want it to fall down to 3s but overall decrease the ttk of the guns all around
I’m super excited for the new mode. I don’t even see how this could be seen as a gamble. More content = more content. If people don’t like it, then all they have to do is play a different mode. That’s it. I really hope the devs get nothing but more love from this because they have been so so receptive, putting out tons of new content super regularly and they’re always listening to the community. Like, the only reason we have a comically large spoon is because the fans said “we want the spoon!” 😂
Oh of course, I agree with you 1000% my friends actually said that they were down to try out the game again, so maybe I can stop being so lonely LOL
@@THiiXY I feel you 😂 My brother is the only other person I play the Finals with so matchmaking is interesting sometimes since we don’t have that third member. Plus busy schedules, life, poor gaming setup (I have the cheapest headphones/mic so I tend to avoid the voice chat for everyone else’s sake), all that jazz can get in the way sometimes, so it can definitely feel lonely. My old d&d group kinda faded away for the same reasons. All the more reason not to take what we got for granted people, i mean this incredibly fun game is 100% free to play!! I know I’m gonna be a die-hard Finals fan for the foreseeable future (and probably Arc Raiders too, when it comes out)
Don’t get me started on Arc Raiders I’m so excited for that game it looks incredible haha yeah I’m gonna take it as it goes Thursday and enjoy the ride either way
I'm looking forward to it, but unfortunately have concerns. I thought it was going to be a limited-time event like Steal the Spotlight or Smoking Guns to see a spike in players overall then increase the active player count in core modes. Regarding balance, Terminal Attack is likely going to be a Shield, Turret, & APS fest without Heal Beam & Defib, and Mediums can run Glitch Traps too so what is Light's purpose then given their health disadvantage? Snipe the shields, Glitch nade push, & at best get traded? At least in Power Shift the moving objective alleviates these types of standoffs. It would be a good idea to impose class & loadout limitations for Terminal Attack. I think being able to throw the Decryption Key is to deal with hardcore defenders, so you can clutch a shot into the Terminal. In addition, there's 7 rounds and leavers will be a thing, so matches can deteriorate into forfeits depending on the speed and commitment of backfill. They're asking the existing Quick Play playerbase that dislike Ranked Tournaments, due to the penalty for team wipes & limited respawn coins, to have patience for a one life mode. I'm all for new game modes, but I want Cashout (Tournaments) to be the best it can be and marketed as such. That's the key differentiator for The Finals. Almost every popular FPS already has an SnD game mode and they're balanced for it. Hopefully Embark's gamble pays off drawing in new players to stay for Cashout (Tournaments).
Yeah honestly I didn't even think about leavers, why are ppl so annoying aahhh... yeah I agree with the "meta" that could form, but then again as memed on lights are, they would be very effective with glitch grenades VS shields / turrets etc. Also we have the data reshaper which hasn't seen much use... idk maybe they have thought about this and made changes in game as we haven't seen the patch notes yet. All your points are valid though, let's see how Thursday goes.
We don’t even have patch notes yet. They could’ve made some decent changes that’ll make light viable in this mode
I agree. There's going to be a lot of annoying cheese going on and I feel the snipers are going to do the same thing they do in power shift, sit on top of things or in spawn taking pot shots at people.
I understand the concern about the new mode since other games have already pioneered and perfected the model. But Embark adopting it and putting its own spin on the gamemode is something that I think will be attractive to people who like similar games (R6, CSGO, Valorant) and even games with a lot of vertical movement (Apex Legends).
Yeah I think that's the long game for sure. I of course want to try out the mode, see how it plays etc before making judgements, but yeah I'm on board with you seeing how Embark takes that twist and runs with it!
i think a smaller map suites this sort of mode better than these massive maps we currently have
embark could just split each map into 3 or 4 smaller maps using barriers
I'm in for anything they do, thank you for being level headed. It's great to have someone who is level headed in the community 😊
Exactly and you’re welcome haha, yeah there’s too many CZcamsrs either too far on one side or the other, I like to be fair and hear both perspectives, I think that’s needed :)
its true this will be huge for the chad solo queue players to show off their skill. feel like they really need to add a killcam though so players can report cheaters. would also add massively to the hype of pulling off a clutch play in a no revives-no heals-one life type game mode
100% and Unreal Engine 5 apparently is pretty good with replays so let's see it might not take long for Embark to add it in.
This is like a complete positive to me. Even if I personally won’t likely enjoy the mode other people will, therefore bring in more players. Also shows the team are willing to try new things and appreciate what mode variety does for a PvP game.
Hopefully, a kill cam will come with this mode
I don't think kill cams are in the game, but I wouldn't count it out to be added soon as Unreal Engine 5 is pretty good with handling that stuff I've heard
Embark is actively pushing forward with new things that most of us don't even see coming. Very exciting
100% I wouldn’t have predicted that we would get this game mode if you asked me at the start of Season 2 haha
This really reminds me of what happened to battlebit. The players and devs weren't really on the same page. Battlebit devs wanted more of a strategic milsim rather than the run and gun parkour playstyle that a lot of players enjoy. There are milsim servers specifically for that type of playstyle but the devs are honestly just too scared to push anything out now because they saw the reaction to potential changes that would inhibit the run and gun style. In fact they've pretty much asked people to join a test group before any updates get pushed out.
I think the main difference here is that Embark is a bigger team, backed with nexon money, and can afford to just push out game modes and see if people like it. However, I do think there will be a point where the game just becomes like an arcade. There might be 3-5 rotating game modes. Things might have to be specifically balanced for each game mode. I mean we''re already seeing it in the A&D. No healing, No revives. Half of the kit that a majority of people use on medium is now...gone. And how do we even approach competitive? Will there be competitive modes for different game modes or just bank it? Its a weird slope to be on, but I still enjoy the game. I actually really enjoy powershift and I hope it stays on for a bit longer.
Yeah honestly I think at the moment I'm just taking the game as a casual one until we start getting that direction for competitive, because I wouldn't mind two options of playing either this new mode in comp OR tournament like we have now, but even then player count is in question, and there isn't any direct "this is how the game works" now, because there are many modes. I'll take an arcade type game any day of the week until we find a nice foundation and then we can start talking about a real comp scene.
I think this mode will be popular and will bring many other players to The Finals, as many FPS players are already familiar with this type of mode.
I really like the diversity that this game is started to embark into.
i’d like a mode like FrontLines on insurgency
Just realised how broken gateway could be for attackers if u can throw the key through it
I am really down to whatever Embark will throw at us by this point, they did earn community trust, i am sure of that. The "complainers" are complaining in every online game, which i am sure normal people know. Perfect game just doesn't exist. What Embark does is they listen to the community. This is very rare in 2024. Most of companies just want to cash in/cash out, abandon the game.
Faactss, this game is a gift that's for sure. I think that complainers are louder than people who just enjoy the game for the game, so I guess it's something I need to stop paying attention to, but I do like hearing feedback about the game so I learn too from a dev POV on what people enjoy or don't
I’m not sure i will like this mode, but i will certainly try it. I think this is a good move from the devs, they have made something special with the gunplay, destruction and the movement i hope that will also show in the new mode.
Just wanted to say I’ve been loving this channel recently, best Finals creator imo🎉. Also I just had an idea, yk how Fortnite used to add a new gun/item every week and then usually take it out after a bit? Ik it’s not feasible for Embark to create new guns every week but what if they add attachments to diff guns every week. Like giving the AK fast mags or the FAMAs a red dot. Akimbo pistols?? Mainly just to give the off meta weapons some love. Idk maybe it’s a horrible idea I just came up with it mid writing this comment lmk what y’all think!
Ayy thank you very much I appreciate the support! I think that doing some of that stuff would open up balance issues, but what you could do is globally nerf all the weapons, then allow attachments to get those weapons back up to that stage before the nerf but obviously variations in there, it’s an interesting one
This is the best shooter iv played in years🎉
I just want a full TDM limited game mode where every class can run either any gadget or any weapon from any class. I dont think both would be great, but either choice would be an absolute chaotic blast.
Yeah I'm not writing off that they do add a TDM mode or maybe something like CTF. I know my friends are dying to have that kinda mode where they aren't forced to play the game in a certain way
I feel like most people are just so used to hating on anything a company does to try and add any content to their game because it's almost always bad and has some cash grab to it. Now that someone like embark is actively trying to better their game and actually add tons of content at honestly an insane speed, people will still complain about literally everything because that's what they are used to doing with so many games that came out before The Finals. It's sad because I actually have a lot of fun with this game and like you all I hear is people saying the game is going to die and that they aren't doing anything to make it better.
Yeah exactly, and the difference is which is even crazier to me, is that they compare this game like they've paid $60 like other titles they may complain about, like this is literally a gift to you. Sure critisism is fine, but trying to call if/when a game will die when peoples entire work have been poured into it, is something I'll never get over.
Honestly, I don't like the new game mode.
1) I like the Finals because of how unique its game modes are . I don't want another CS or Volorant clone gameplay. We have a lot of these already.
2) The community is already pretty small. And now it will be even more divided because of the new gameplay mode. It will take ages to find a new match.
3) The devs are already struggling to balance the game and now they have to worry about another gamemode being balanced. Weapons and classes will never be balanced and people are gone be using the same meta wepaons and loadouts all the time.
I think they should've focused on the main gamemode (which is quickcash) and improve it or add some swists to it. Take Fortnite as an example. Fortnite is popular not because it has a lot of game modes in it. It is because they focused on their main core gameplay mode which is the battle royal.
it took Apex almost 5years to add "mixtape" which is just TDM, Gun Game, and scuffed Hardpoint-
Not to mention private lobbies and you require 30 players to make use of it in the main game mode (BR).
Embark is KILLING it, listening to player feedback, and trying their damnedest to prove this game is worth it.
I am absolutely Team Embark..
Almost all of my favourite games have been wildly mismanaged and borderline-died because of that.
GunZ The Duel
Radical Heights
HyperScape
Blade&Soul
Even Smash Bros Melee- Nintendo actively tries to C&D tourneys all the time...
Embark knows that happy players make the game. and the game has to make the players happy.
I am so excited to try this new mode. 👏
PS: I dream of a day where the balance changes are made- the fun still exists- the meta is DEEP and the new discoveries are endless.
The game's competitive side is yet to bloom but I love to see the progress from Alpha to now.
Yeah let’s see what happens with the patch notes too, because I agree when we need to see the direction Embark want to take the game, it’s gonna be a lot more work if they decide to split the balancing between this mode and the others
With heal beam and defib disabled, this will push medium mains to try out other utils and abilities and I'm all for it. Meta sound boring? Try out this new mode where that completely goes away. Maybe turrets do become something that is more frequently used, okay, use the data reshaper, have a heavy? Googun is an excellent counter. Dematerializer will get some love also. I see this as a challenge from Embark for the community to adapt and experiment, but not to change your gameplay style. If you do not like how the new mode runs, you can still play the other modes.
1000% you're echoing my exact thoughts, I cut out a part of the video where I basically said "you don't like this mode? Go back to the others, they aren't going anywhere" but I felt like I sounded a bit too harsh so left it out, thanks for putting it into better words!
Idk need like team death match Mode whit mediums that can use idk light guns to? Just to get casual players, so more money and more quality
I was thinking maybe Gun Game, where everyone is a Medium, but they get to work up in weapons all the way to the last weapon being a dagger or something, I really loved gun game
@@THiiXY stuff like that Will help alot, and i dont think is to hard to make, not a programer so
This game needs a TDM asap. Every game mode is team based. If a few players are trash, the match is allready done. I don‘t know why Embark can‘t do give us some easy to play mode without objectives
@@TaiJason37 fr i feel u, like just one simple Game for casuals, so the "hard" ones dont have guys Who dont know whats going on, dont blame is a new mode for them but can make the Game kinda shit if ur solo
@@TaiJason37 i mean isn't bank it just like TDM? Just play that to make it similar.
In the trailer the attackers said "heading to terminal A" so i do firmly believe its gonna be at least 2
Thanks! Yeah apparently it got confirmed in the Discord too, appreciate you helping me as I'm solo in all this so sometimes I don't get all the info haha
Good find. I thought it was only one because they said "protect the terminal" instead of the plural "terminals"
I like this concept, but I feel like removing revives (not respawn) is a mistake. The revive mechanic is one of the more interesting parts of The Finals, having to grab ally statues to bring them back.
I am fine with no respawn tokens if a team wipe basically ends a round in the best of 7, but why not let us choose to retreat and recoup what few allies we can?
Yeah honestly I'm kind of skeptical about this too, I mean honestly it might work out perfectly well so I'm not against the idea, I think I'm just gonna have to play it first to get a real answer if I think it should be added or not
Lights will only be viable if your team uses mics. I play light as hit and run, the way it's supposed to be played, chip away health, disappear quickly, tell your team they're half health, and it works really well. Most people avoid mics cause of the toxicity though.
Yeah I agree with you, maybe text chat can save it but then again text mid FPS is kinda hard to do much with, but at least you can say what you’re going to do at the end of rounds etc
i will probably love this mode
I'm excited to play it, I'm home! :D
Being unable to play Valorant due to my Linux setup makes this feels like home 🙌🏻
can The finals be played on linux? last I checked it wasn't possible
@@TheAtomPrince Yup, it worked for me tho. I am using Pop OS. There are times where I couldn't connect to any matches so I will restart the game and then it just worked fine. I think it was because the steam is not loaded yet by the time the game started.
For a person who likes the classic style of The Finals it will really be interesting to see if I will like it
Yeah like I said it's a unique situation because they are going to try bring in new players at the same time as satisfy current players, so very big play by Embark here
Headings straight into balance hell.. GL to the devs.
As a CS player since Source, i love the idea of this game mode, and looking forward to checking out. It suits the fact weapons have recoil patterns, as it will be (i would imagine) a slow paced game. My only concern is the playerbase, i have a nasty feeling that you are just gonna end up having your team mates quitting out as soon as they die, as the general mentality i see from players in game, and on reddit etc, is not that of a patient tactical lot! I think at this stage, i would rather have seen a DM or TDM just for people to jump in, do their weeklies, get warmed up etc - but i think you made a fair synopsis in the video, so fingers crossed!
Yeah I agree with you, and I think they will expand on those modes in the future. It's obviously funny because you just know if we played the game as we should (tactically) it's going to be pretty easy punishing these aggressive players from the get-go and I think they will see a real shock but I would be ashamed if people just leave, they need to make it punishing if it happens for sure.
I belive there is a way to fix things and make people happy without leaving the content behind. And that is small hotfixes for problems that the game has. Not just wait 2 months for the next update hopping they'll fix or not the problem
I'm very scared as a light main. no heals so if I get hit by ONE grenade it's a 1hp thank you and goodnight
Yeah and especially if there isn't regen... oooof.
The reason fortnite stayed alive for 6 years is because they updated the game every week. Live service games NEED change to stay alive, otherwise you end up like cod where no one plays it after a month
I do think this Is a good idea so people can play both a more compedative and a casual mode like think its a solid idea and hope it makes people try new loadouts and tatics
Yeah it's a best of both worlds in a way, you could say "Casual Competitive" for people who are a mix of both, which I think is a huge chunk of players :)
@@THiiXY oh 100 percent in my case as depending on what im feeling or who im playing with its nice to be able to have choice
I think this is a great idea and I think they should look at this game as a huge way to experiment with different game modes.
Here is my take on the current situation of the game and the new gamemode embark released. I'll try to be as objective as I can possibly be but if I sound a lot more one sided pardon me for not being able to control my inner wishful thining.
With the current divide of the gaming community in the finals, there are currently 2 different sides of the coin. The reason why I think this is is cuz of the intense backlash every time anything is changed. there are the casual sandbox players who like to randomly play and experiment around with the different ways u can play the finals and then there are the hyper-competitive side which takes the game to the next level and plays as efficiently as possible. This 2 groups are, for reasons unknown, are at odds with each other. This makes balancing nearly and universally impossible to solve any balance changes and is breaking the community from the ground up.
I can't say but when I first saw the new gamemode, my first question was "wait this doesn't feel liek teh finals", And yes it doesn't truly feel like the finals. This was weird since I liked the powershift gamemode the second it was announced and fell in love with it. I thought that the finals was supposed to be a try whatever u feel like until something sticks and have fun while at it, which is what this gamemode is not. This however made me realize something. Back when they decided that bank it was about to be removed from the gamemode pool, a LOT of people went up in flames and forced embark to keep the gamemode. This makes me think who would be playing this game.
Ideally, people who plays games like cashout, quick cash and powershift are the more casual/sandbox players who like to play with different builds and those who play bank it and ranked (and the soon to be released terminal attack) will be the more competitive oriented with teamwork and specific build to help out in the overall strategy( I myself am one of those sandbox people who thinks this gamemode isn't suited for this game but I was a seige/valorant gamer at one point so I might try it and actually like it). Not saying a person who likes ranked can't and doesn't like playing powershift or something, it's just my hypothesis.
Embark is shown to take risks if it means it might give an overall profit later. If they see that the game lacks on one side, or it needs to capture another type of audience, they will jump the gun for it. This is why I support what they do and I think they deserve some applause just for that (in a market where companies are stagnant and the players want changes but are too scared to even change when the company does go forward with their plan, no reason so may good companies die off. Players are too dumb to understand what they truly want. They want change, and yet changing anything triggers them to the point of going to a riot, which is idiotic in my opinion).
In the end, Here is my takeaway. embark are doing a good job at what they are doing, taking risks where needed and trying their best to keep the game running. The players in the other hand are ignorant and are too conflicted on what they want. and this is all the players out there, LET THEM COOK FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN. U THINK THIS GAMEMODE ISN'T FOR U, THEN CONGRATS ON FIGURING THAT OUT! OFC THIS GAME ISN'T PLAYED JUST BY U, LET OTHERS PLAY AND MAKE THEIR OWN OPINIONS!! U CAN STILL PLAY POWERSHIFT OR ANY OTEHR GAMES U FEEL LIKE PLAYING, NO ONE IS STOPPING U MAN. JUST PLAY AND ENJOY WHAT U LIKE TO PLAY AND STOP MAKING DECISIONS FOR OTHERS! THE GAME CAN HAVE 2 COMMUNITIES AT ONCE IF THEY WANT TO AND U DON'T HAVE TO BE AT ONE PART OF THE TEAM TO BE REALVENT! YOU CAN HAVE 99 DIFFERENT GAMES IN UR TOURNAMENT BASED GAME AND IT CAN STILL BE THE SAME GAME!! I also saw a lot of people saying that the game doesn't need this many game modes. Bro, this is a virtual reality game, I think there will be more than just one type of games here. If fortnight can have multiple different games from multiple different GENRES in one game and people there can coexist, I think having a lot more gamemode to play in isn't bad (just cuz fortnight has a racing, sandbox and virtual reality show in it, it doesn't mean it isn't a battleroyale game anymore).
sorry about the long rant. Love your vids Thiixy. Your teh reason why I think there is a chance this game might be able to move from this period of time. I'll give a fair shot on the gamemode since it looks a lot more different than I'm used to and maybe I'll like it.
Also for the shameless comment but can I get a pin on this comment, given u like my ofc :)
my only gripe about this is the name, "attack and defend" isn't a very creative name compared to their other gamemodes. they should've called it "decryption" or something else
edit: nevermind, they're calling the gamemode "terminal attack" now which is a much better name.
Yes, it's Terminal Attack haha, I just named it attack & defend for title sake :) But good prediction though!
Such a fun mode!! It slows the game down and makes the player focus on gadget utility/opportunity cost. I think it could be a solid competitive alternative as well.
100% I could see this being in ranked for sure
I think we'll alternate between attacking and defending. For example, if the CNS team wins, they defend the hacked terminal. The terminal decides who attacks and defends-if it's hacked, CNS defends; if not, Viiya defends. It'd be cool if everyone respawned in a new area with different spawn points and a terminal for the next round. In case of a tie, maybe there could be a sudden death round or overtime.
Yeah I think sudden death would actually be really cool, maybe they can change up the game in terms of gadgets, damage or an event modifier for sudden death :)
I’m interested to see what the meta will look like, since theirs no healing then I’m sure the mediums turret will probably be a must.
Yeah at least on the defence, I think maybe data reshaper might be helpful too when attacking
@@THiiXY Its not been confirmed that heal beam is disable has it? By "no healing" my interpretation was that no natural healing was going to be active. Like in valorant where there is "no healing" but sage and skye can heal teammates. I'd imagine in this case heal beam would either need a longer recharge rate or a role lock on max players per class. personally I'd prefer a cooldown adjustment since the competitive freedom to make a comp without limitations is really appealing to me coming from a tac fps main where every game has role lock.
I’m pretty sure defib and healing beam is out of the game yeah, if it was in I think all mediums would run it haha but I agree that they could add it back in but make it nerfed for this game mode only …
Idc what people say, im so here for it and support embark 💪
100% through thick and thin!
This is great, so many new modes. Everyone can play what they want
100% I'm here for it :D
I absolutely love this idea and the developers for this, but I'm worried about the choice of five players, as the chaos in power shift makes me think that this slower gamemode might be better with four or three players.
Yeah I mean I think we are gonna have to see how it plays first, but I agree I think it's kind of in the dark about what the game's gonna be like. Thursday can't come any quicker!
In the trailer the contestants announce "Go to terminal A" so there's likely multiple options there.
Oooohh damn nice pickup there, yeah apparently it got confirmed by the devs in the Discord too :)
It probably won't be my go-to mode, but i appreciate having more options nonetheless. The finals is such a great sandbox and I feel it would be a waste to only have a few gamemodes
100% I'm kinda sad we don't get to use that sandbox at the moment, but I hope if custom games get added people come up with some really cool stuff. I'm thinking Halo 3 nostalgia
i think this gamemode will have basically no hud when it comes to the terminal or players, everything will be find someone or something and they will show up or communicate on where they are, also with the key, i think it'll work like a cashout, its thrown in and they you have a set time to hack it again
When i hear attack and defend gamemade my mind wonders to team fortress 2. Still to see the dinals do this makes me wonder how the balancing will be since the maps are very complex and i think utility needs to be limited to 1 use only to prevent spam.
It would be interesting to see it as a gamemode as in tf2 with heals and respawns but set zones with attacking side and defending side with 3 stages of the map sectors
Yeah 100% I think that it's definitely be waaay more work for Embark to do now, espeically if they decide to have different balancing for this mode and the other ones. Let's see what happens...
I'm really excited for this game mode, and it's my expertise too, cuz I came from cs too!!!
I actually reccomended a similar game mode for the finals a month ago.
I love everything about the finals and I’m glad they are adding a new mode. Power shift kinda consumed all of the game play after they added it so I’m curious if this game mode will have the same affect
Yeah or maybe this would bring in some more players from other titles :)
most importantly it shows that Embark is passionate about their game.
1000% and the work ethic is unmatched, needs to be asked how the hell they do it lol
I still hope we get a more casual mode like, CTF but this is cool.
CTF would be really fun, I think they will add that at some point :)
I think it will be great if they balance it well. I honestly think they should balance wepons and gadgets differently in different gwmemodes. Have a casual balance, and a comp balance. Or maybe simply banning some weapons in a gamemode when they ruin the experience like sniper in powershift.
Yeah and it’s gonna take a few test runs and time to get it to that stage, I think it’s one of those be patient cases, but some people aren’t like that and want everything done instantly :(
@THiiXY ya. I still trust these devs. They truly care about their game and us players, so I'm sure that given some time, this will be the best fps game out there.
4:25 yeah but you can't use your weapons, when you're holding the key I think that balances it out
I have a question no healing means what
1. There will be no health regeneration
2. You can't use healing gadgets
3. Both 1&2
I think 3, which is going to be interesting, maybe they will change it up and add regen I don't know
The is role based Search and Destroy, I am so down with this (I hope they at a rating or ranked to it, or some progressive leaderboard/reward pathing)
If you can climb ranked with this then I'll be in love I think because I don't mind the current cashout but as a solo player, it's really frustrating plus third parties lol
@@THiiXY Just having something to work for, I like Ranked progress, BP is max and I am level 50, what else is there to showcase my skill aside from rank. I like showcasing.
Yeah exactly, not sure if you've seen my other videos but I gave some cool solutions to this problem
I absolutely despise how gamers have developed the mindset of "If they don't get it right the absolute first time, they'll never EVER fix it," especially with The Finals. Why can't we have more faith in our devs? Hell, why can't we assume a game isn't dead just because it isn't as big as Fortnite or COD? It isn't as "massive" as it used to be, sure, but don't read what's happening as the time of death just because it's down to a smaller, still healthy player count. Where the hell did this pre-emptive judgement even come from? Seriously, I have no issue finding a match, no complaints about long wait times and all the servers seem to be working fine for the most part. I'd argue this is a relatively new game genre, a great fusion of two genres, so of course some decisions are going to leave it in a minor dip, but it's still fine. It's just a platform learning how to do better with their crowds and I think if we give the devs enough time and patience, they'll nail it on the spot. If anything, I'm just beginning to feel the game is becoming much too competitive just like Fortnite, completely eating away at the casual replayability people loved in this game some time ago. Players are becoming much, much more aggressive and I think it's just ruining the vibe this game had with its silly gimmicks. I'll give it time though because again, I trust the devs will make the best decisions if I don't pressure them into making one RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT OR ELSE I'LL EXPLODE OR SOMETHING.
I can really relate to the comments pertaining to the game outside certain communities. People really just want to game to die it’s perplexing to say the least.
People also forget that sometimes adapting or improvising often leads to even better results. Take Fortnite for example. It was not designed or developed to ever be a battle royal until the end of its development stage. It was a gimmick that suddenly turned into a huge success.
100% and I think the success stories like Fortnite can really show what happens when you "trust your process" in the developer world, I mean look at it today having all these creative modes, features, collaborations etc. Impressive!
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@@THiiXY lov ya vids mate keep it up!
This is insane I don’t why everyone hates embark they just need to give them time
Yeah it's crazy, this game is a gift and people be complaining about the bow tie on it haha
interesting how you only need to throw the key, it makes me think maybe its supposed to be faster paced than csgo or valorant, a big part of those games is securing the site so its safe for the planter
Yeah but this will make the gameplay waaaay slower than what it is now haha
I think if it’s well done it would be really good the thing is that, imagine valorant but explosions are everywhere and you take 140 by a rocket launcher or get twoshoted by a granedlauncher yk, idk tbh
This game gives me the same vibes for TF2 and I’m glad it getting more attention
Ohh for sure, I enjoyed playing low grav + Orange map all the time with friends back in the Windows 7 days lol :)
Well. Imo… this game doesn’t even have enough player base to support all these modes. It’ll probably be cool for now, but after a little while, if the player base doesn’t grow, half of the modes are probably going to be empty lol.
Active players grew this month :)
THiiXY If you could add any game mode, which one do you think would fit the best? (BR, TDM, CTF, FFA, 5 Player Teams Cashout, etc). I like the idea of this mode and appreciate the Devs trying something so different. I’m not sure this one fits very well. I’ll keep trying it though and see if it grows on me.
Good question! I think it would be fun to see a CTF in this mode (or something like hacking themed as a twist on it) A lot of people were mentioning rush too and that would be pretty cool to see play out in THE FINALS as well :)
Looks like a great idea but I don't think this will work in a casual setting. If they make it ranked then maybe.
In a gunfight you want to be shooting with as many people as possible at as little people as possible to maximize the team hp you take from the enemies and minimize your team hp loss.
This takes a lot of coordination that is almost impossible without communication.
Also most tac fps have a 1shot hs mechanic making it possible to still win a 1v3. In the finals this will probably be nearly impossible if the enemies have half a brain.
A perfect attack will probably be a prep like in r6 gathering information, preparing an attack and then a push like in Overwatch with the whole team.
1000% I agree that if you're in a 1v3 in THE FINALS, there's basically no point in trying in some way, as the TTK is very long, but depends on a lot of scenarios to predict that outcome. Let's see what happens Thursday when this releases but I like your points.
I definitely feel like no healing is gonna be an issue because of this.
Imo it would be kinda cool if instead. They put a limit on how many people can take heal beam, like a lot. Maybe only 1 healbeam per team with a limited heal amount. And as well as this. Have random healthpacks littered around the map away from the point so that way you could technically pull off a 1v3 by taking fights and then retreating.
While im interested to try this out, it seems too early for them to be experimenting with a game mode like this. Especially if its not going to be the core mode in ranked. Casuals trying the game the first time are going to get lost at the vision and direction with all these new modes. The focus should be fully, how do we make the core game, that is ranked, more appealing and more marketable.
Wish they would be more specific with the no heals. No heal gadget? No heal overtime? If thats really the case then this gonna be heavy dominated for sure, especially in the first days.
Yeah no heal nothing, gadgets like those are disabled
I'm not the greatest at the game but I love the finals I love it because there is no other game like it. Finally a game that tried something new... And the fact that they add new game modes like this is exciting. At the end of the day they're going to have something for everyone. Only thing I hope they do add tho is a solo Q Ranked tournament.
Yeah I think solo Q focus is needed because it can be pretty annoying in this game but I don’t know if they’ll add it, maybe solo/duos for another ranked mode like this one?
I think this is very different from what we expect from them... wich could be good, but could be absolutely frustrating
What do you think of the new mode!?
"People will start complaining" how optimistic of you thix, people are already complaining.
I genuinely believe if people wanna enjoy this game they need to avoid its subreddit like the fucking plague.
LOL that's crazy... I'm glad I didn't read much about it, people just have no respect, take down the reddit lol
People are saying 5 heavies will be OP, But those heavies have no healer so i don't think that will be an issue.
So I am really looking forward to this. Its different and i hope it works out for Embark
100% it's time to start giving Embark some W's back
Goo is similar logic to kiba barriers in siege its going to be very strong on defense until someone runs flames😊
It's an okay idea for a limited time mode, but I don't think it makes sense as a "real" mode to be added into the game. Like, what's the point of choosing anything else other than Heavy or maybe Medium with turrets on defense? I think the meta is gonna become stale extremely fast, even faster than in other modes.
Also it comes back to the thing you (or maybe some other CZcamsr )mentioned about The Finals slowly losing its identity. I feel like the devs have no idea what to do with this game at this point and are so terrified of people disliking base gameplay mechanics they're willing to nerf everything to the ground or remove things completely. Nukes, recon senses, "the dead go boom" etc. People are still using the exact same weapons and gadgets, but they're just getting worse and worse every week.
And a 1 life CS:GO mode with no healing on these giant maps is just another example of devs being lost in their own design. But maybe I'm totally wrong, who knows.
Yeah honestly we’re going to have to see how it plays out tomorrow, the loudest players are always going to be the ones that are complaining however, sometimes in those complaints is real criticism that holds very strong points. All I hope is that this strategy brings in some players that enjoy the tactical aspect, but the problem is once they do, Embark now need to keep them hooked as well as the other players, so it’s a unique idea and a risk for sure.
I'm pretty open for changes likle these, I come from csgo/cs2 and really enjoy gamemodes like this. Only thing I find worrying, is that now having such different gamemodes in playstyle and pacing will make it even harder for them to balance the game. We already see it with powershift and cashout developing very different metas, where some thing that is really strong in one gamemode is basically unused in the other.
1000% I think it's actually more a bigger issue than risking the game mode right, because now this essentially doubles their work. But I'm sure from their experience with Battlefield, they understand what's coming. Side note, I hope CS2 starts getting better against cheaters, I miss that game so much :( They added left-hand though! lol
I like this idea, but I think that rather than no revives, you should be able to revive them within 30 seconds of death, once.
Im hyped, i come from League of Legends so a new 5v5 mode is sort of in my wheel house where i just do my own thing in a team
I just started getting into League again lol
I play this game with my GF, but I wish more of the people we know would try this game bc we really need a reliable 3rd player
Yeah I'd love if there's a community feature where we can search by tags & add people in game etc
the no heals part is gonna be... interesting. either there's is no healing period and that'll be fking punishing for being chipped down or heal beam is allowed and then all of a sudden you can have quad M heal beams.
Yeah I don't even think there's gonna be regen which is going to be REALLY interesting for sure
Haters always trying to bring down developers for some weird reason - shun the naysayers and keep the good work!
1000% glad we're in the same boat lol
i was kinda hoping for a freeze tag mode as i feel that would work better in this game
The mode looks good and I hope they keep trying new things but I think turrets might ruin it
Turrets is a good point yeah because most of the time you have to take damage to destroy it, unless now we will find more ways to do so!
Tbh I'm not that annoyed by the decisions Embark made in general. There are things that makes me annoyed but these were things that could at best be written as feedbacks, not an act of hatred. I love The Finals and Embark so much. I love and see their vision in every bit of this game. This game is literally so unique with not only it's destructible environment. It feels like a dream game coming true. I hope they'll get what they deserve. Right now It's concerning.
Also, what are the musics you used in this video? I think it'd feel such a vibe when you think of this music playing in the background while having a fight between CNS and Vaiya in SYS$HORIZON
100% I think that we have this weird state where there are also a lot of people passionate about this game, so maybe they don't mean to be so hatered sounding, but at the same time it's emotions that need to be controlled. I think we have something with so much potential that goes unnoticed to the max. Also thank you! I normally add the music in my description but everything has been so hectic with uploading etc it skipped my mind!
Music, in order;
Katnip - Silverware (Instrumental)
Dylan Sitts - Rogue
Lennon Hutton - Fallout
I don’t want to be a downer but for me, the final isn’t that tactical compared to siege or counter strike. It’s more of like a casual game of tf2 you know, so I’m really worry that this game mode will be a missed 😢
If that's your opinion, I completely respect that, honestly this mode might pop off for those who like this genre like myself, but I need to play this in a large pool so I can really get a feel if I like it or not. Try it out, maybe it will suprise you?
Ready for this, i aint to worried or nothing.