Sonic Unleashed Is Being Held Back
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Sonic Unleashed is an awesome game with a lot of small flaws. But there is one that is by far the biggest and most egregious thing holding the entire game back.
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0:00 Intro
3:10 Sun & Moon Medals
6:29 Destroying Common Counter Arguments
10:25 Can It Be Fixed?
11:29 Addressing Bias
12:57 Conclusion
13:31 Outro
14:13 End Screen
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I bet that medal collecting would have been easy if it had adventure play style
I will ALWAYS go out of my way to explore and find hidden collectibles! Happy Thanksgiving, Chaomix!
I didn't mind it when I was playing the PS2 version, cuz I got to eggmanland before I had to call it a day( I kept on getting my ass kicked midway). Playing with the Xbox 360 version I don't think I have gotten farther than the rooftop run day stages
SEGA can't ignore the love this game is getting recently. We gotta get that port eventually.
They don't care about porting it since it's yellow on Metacritic. They just prefer to tease us.
It needs to be on Switch. Would be cool if both versions got ported.
You guys uh... Remember what happened with Colors right? Did you just forget that? _Especially_ the Switch part... If you didn't know, that's pretty much the Sonic standard for ports lol. In fact they were always _abominable_ with their ports, look at what they did to the Adventure games. And the Colors Ultimate fiasco will ensure they wont do ports for a while yet, they react very strongly to harsh reception (even though they definitely know for a fact it's because they produce rushed shit that the games are bad, not the concept). I doubt we'll get Unleashed Ultimate, and that's the good ending because if we _do_ get an Unleashed """remaster""" port thing it will be absolutely fucking horrible and will negatively stain the game forever (even more than it already has been) just like what happened with the other games they ruined. People getting into the series or just playing it to shit on it _to this day_ go to SADX for the basic SA1 experience because Sega made that the widely available standard. That's what happens when they "port" something, they tarnish it. Literally just wait for a fan PC port, it will probably happen eventually. You are 100% better off waiting for a fan port than an official one at this point, that is the state of Sonic lol. It will be an infinitely better product. Or just play Unleashed Project or something.
@@CinderLitten your house would be on fire if they ported unleashed to switch
If SEGA refuses to remake the Adventure games, they most certainly wouldn’t bother porting this game. Almost every game after Sonic 3k until Sonic 4 is is either in the yellow or red on Metacritic. Sonic Team has expressed their interest in remastering and remaking more games, but SEGA’s response to it is always “f*** the fans!” This is why I keep saying that we will never get multiple playable characters, compelling stories, or anything that touches the adventure/dark era games. I want it to happen, I really do! But, it just won’t happen.
I've thought of two ways they could correct the medal issue if Sonic Unleashed ever got a remaster.
1.) The Sun and Moon medal requirement would be cut significantly, at the very least half of what it is. Doing some research I found the minimum medal requirement to beat the game is 120 Sun medals and 80 Moon medals, so cut that to 60 and 40 respectively.
2.) No Sun and Moon medals are needed to complete the main game, however, they now exclusively unlock the optional bonus acts. This could also be how you unlock the DLC stages in this hypothetical remaster.
Or you could have the medals give you exp so like each medal would give 5 total bars of exp or give you new different moves but halving them is also good.
This is literally an amazing idea.
The Wii version had the best Medal system
@@jamainegardner4193 true
bro doesn’t know what dlc stands for
Personally, I'd love to see a Sonic Unleashed "Ultimate" on PS5 and XBX with 4K resolution and 60fps (similar to the recent patch for Xbox). As long as they don't make the same missteps they did with Colors Ultimate, I think this game could be a great opportunity to leverage some of the positive reception the game has enjoyed over the past few years, and also correct a few of these small issues. Even just decreasing the amount of medals needed for progression would at least be a step in the right direction, and they could probably make a few other tweaks like clarifying Werehog combos (which are a fun way to play the character, but not exactly emphasized by the game itself) or a universal slight decrease to enemy health bars. Anway, great video chaomix!
Bruh, don't forget PC. We gotta mod the hell outta that!
Well it's your Lucky day the new Xbox series X fps boost Sonic Unleashed is now at a Stable 60 fps and 4k resolution
...Lets just NOT call it ultimate. It might add a bit more..."hate" to a great game.
Don't forget about switch
@@thedailybrowser5951 Sega should name it sonic unleashed 're-considered'.
So Unleashed is being held back?
As in, it's Leashed?
I'm sorry.
Sonic Leashed. Nice, but id rather be leashed by sonic himsel-
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What about side missions in Sonic Unleashed? I think they can help you easily get A LOT of medals without having to replay old levels over and over.
I don't have issues anymore with the medal collecting (i collected all 400 already) but i can understand that for some people it's frustrating to be stopped from progression once in a while because of the medal requirement.
As someone who has only played the Wii. Ver (but has seen playthroughs of the HD ver.), I can agree that the medal collecting does have flaws in some areas, and shouldn’t have been handled to the point of locking story progression, it really does hold the game back in terms of its true potential. The collecting would’ve been more worthwhile if it was handled like the Wii ver, where the player would be rewarded for collecting them, by accessing rooms with unique platforming challenges, that allows the player to get the collectibles seen in game. Not to say that the Wii. Ver is superior as both have their respective high points and low points.
I don't think that would've worked for the HD version, because of the Hub world. It probably then needs to be intergrated to work in a different way.
That's what like about the ps2 version as well.
It rewards for going fast to collect 3 medals
I don’t hate it I think it’s Fun and challenging mostly for the Werehog Stages. The one for the day time stages can be annoying but it’s whatever to me but I do understand where people’s Frustrations come from honestly with the Medal system and hope a possible remaster can fix this issue
This is my escape,
Im running trought
This world and Im
Not looking back
Cause I know I can go
Where no ones ever gone
And I’m not looking back
But how will I know
If I dont get there,
@@dreamcastshadow2970 and how will I know when to leave?
@@StrangeSunset7 we all gotta start from somewhere,
@@willbrgamer5137 And it's right there for me
Glad I was a Sonic Un(Wii)shed kid growing up. I was actually able to beat the game whereas if I had the ps3/360 version no way I would’ve had the dedication to collect all those medals. It’s definitely poor game design for a game about completing an act as fast as you can. That’s probably why Unleashed is my favorite sonic game ever since I didn’t have to struggle for medals
My ps2 copy broke right as I was at Eggman land 😢😢
@@tyrone2423 ps2 was punching too high, so I'm not surprised.
@@Esteban-nk3nm Nah My disc suffered from water damage
@@tyrone2423 oh, mines just went off for no reason.
@@Esteban-nk3nm Damn that sucks
I never minded the medal collecting. I actually really enjoyed it. But I certainly wouldn’t mind if it was made optional.
I dunno, when I first played Unleashed HD I found the Medals fairly easy to find, usually along the more difficult pathways for Sonic to take, and since the Werehog is a 3D slower paced beat’em up, exploring around didn’t seem that much of a difficult thing to do. Never came across a single medal check I couldn’t cross. Although to be fair I also was bothering to try to do the additional acts and not just the bare minimum to get to the end. Maybe if they did something like you can’t fly to the next area unless you get enough medals from your current region. Kinda like SM Odyssey.
I was one of the people that played Wii Unleashed first, at launch and that definitely was a better experience in the medals aspects too I think. Simply being get good at the levels, the more medals you get and collectibles being on secret routes was a good idea.
I think ultimately it comes down to Sonic’s greatest strength and weakness, being marketed focus on speed above all else. Should any mechanic/gimmick or focus be added that slows that down, it’s going to be initially met with vitriol, warranted or not, which leads to overaggressive attacks and over-defensive responses.
I think what another good fix could without changing too much, for Day Stages, Moon medals are tied to rank, Sun medals unlock other day stage acts for that continent and for Night Stages, Day medals - rank, Night medals, more stages for that act. And story progression requirement is based on the expectation that most players won’t bother with the additional acts (so the required numbers of medals are lowered). So the players who just want to race through the game can do so while gaining proficiency in stages, and the players who take time to explore the game are rewarded with more stages to play
It's especially bad when they take a character known primarily for playing a certain way and completely change them in that department *coughTails* .
I think the PS2/Wii version handles the medals really well. They're not tied to progression, but by collecting them you unlock *more* optional gameplay and collectibles. What more could one ask for in a collectible?
I never had to go medal collecting for the endgame roadblock due to me collecting as many medals as possible through the playthrough.
I personally like collecting sun and moon medals because i like slowly exploring the levels, but i can see where your coming from.
I never really had any trouble with finding medals. Maybe it’s because I enjoyed exploring every nook and cranny for collectibles in the werehog stages and was skilled enough to choose pathways that allowed me to nab the medals in the regular speed stages. But I understand if others may find it frustrating in how it takes away from the core gameplay. Nonetheless, I really wish this does get a port and I am so happy that it’s getting all this love nowadays, it truly is a great sonic game.
Medal Collecting thankfully never annoyed me cause for some reason I already knew the spot of like every medal at the age of 7, but I can definitely see that the game would be a much more objectively good game if it wasn’t locked under a bogus progression system. I would love to see this game re-released with elements taken from both versions of the HD and Wii versions. Say take the levels, hub worlds, and presentation of the HD version while adding in the medal collecting from the Wii version. Would be really nice to see the Wii version stages added in as extra stages that u could unlock with the more medals you collect?? Idk, just a though.
Sonic Unleashed was so ahead of its time, I'm upset that it got bashed on its debut and I forgot of its existence way back.
I dunno, video games down the line improved their graphics and ESPECIALLY framerate
Sonic Unleashed is such a great game, even to this day in 2021 since it's release. Among all Sonic games I played in my life, Sonic Unleashed is the game that held my attention. The soundtrack is great, the diversity in stages and a new addition : the werehog. Unlike some people, I personally enjoyed the Werehog part of the game, all this fight while trying to make the greatest combo you could do. The music triggered each time is not that bad, it's just overused each time you end on Dark Gaia minions. Day stages are a masterpiece, mythical environments while enjoying the soundtrack. An other point, I really liked that MMORPG aspect with levels in order your character stats, it seemed like a progression while going throughout the scenario.
And final point : Medals collectibles. Medals are one of the most "hated" things in Sonic Unleashed, it seems. In my opinion, collecting medals is challenging even if by lived experience, I've been stuck with 14 sun medals missing in order to access to Jungle Joyride day stage. It would need some global overhaul such as letting you to start what I call "New Game +" (Like in a game called Driver San Francisco) so you can keep all medals and you're not restricted while progressing throughout the whole game.
Who knows ? Unleashed could be back on the scene someday after that recent 60 fps patch on Xbox Series X. For those who don't necessarily own an Xbox console and more a PC or a PlayStation 3.
if game progression was handled in the way the Wii version does it, then I'd be much, much more interested in the Xbox version
One thing I do dislike is how any criticism of the medals is brushed off as a “skill issue” by people on Twitter.
Yeah, there isn't exactly a lot of "skill" involved in searching every nook and cranny just to find a medal. It'd be better if the medal locations were in shortcuts that present a bigger challenge to get to, either that or the Wii/PS2 method.
When I played this game is a kid I rarely had any issues with the medal collecting, besides like for two levels, because what I did was I played the side missions which helps with getting medals. and I gave professor pickle souvenirs and he rewards you with medals.
two things
1: the wii doesnt have mandatory medal collection, so if they coild take that idea and put it into a remaster, then that would be nice
and
2: the minute i heard it, i recognized Average Burgerboy's Battle theme remix
I love sonic unleashed, it's better than gens.
Agreed
Yea my guy
Gens>?
@@dreamcastshadow2970 colours
I still prefer colors and generations, but this game is still special to me.
I absolutely agree on this. If one of my friends didn't told me to collect as much as possible I would have been stuck probably at a high count on collectables I need to collect. But aside from the medal collecting I also didn't liked the Quick time events In the day stages which did annoy me more in fact since non of the other sonic games had that amount of buttons to press. But overall sonic Unleashed is a good game but people have to stop defending everything about the game.
now i have a lot of ideas to improve the HD version's medal collecting. it could do what the wii version did, getting day medals for skilled speedy play in the daytime levels, and in the night stages, you could get 1 night medal by default for beating the level, and get two extras for fulfilling a certain requirement, like hitting a high combo, taking only X amount of hits/deaths, ect. Then, add a few extra medals for night and day across the hubworlds. there are 174 in the wii version, add 25 medals spread across the hub worlds, and you can get certain ones depending on the time in game. I think this could fix it a lot. And just untie them from progression in general, use them to unlock challenges, bonus quests/levels, and artsie dev stuff. Another thing i have heard criticism about is the length and monotony of the night levels, just make them shorter and less tedious. I feel like if somebody really took the time, they could make something absolutely amazing out of this torn apart game. it has the potential for sure.
Tbh what really got me into unleahed was bowling for soups song I was so big into them as a teen. And as a massive sonic fan even then I was ecstatic to hear them in it
The medal collecting could’ve been changed to raise how much EXP you earn by x0.1 totalling in x2.4 EXP by getting to level 7 on both sun and moon.
My suggestion would be:
1. Lower the amount of medals in total. (By about 30%)
2. Lower the progression requirements. (By at least 60%)
3. Lower the medals in action stages. (Half it on day stages and reduce it by 25% on night stages)
4. double the hub world medals.
I personally tend to sidequest, so medals aren't as much of a problem for me as it is for more linear players. But even for me, progression has been halted.
I'm actually really fond of the Team Chaotix levels in Sonic Heroes. It's been a while since I last played, so I could be misremembering, but the stages are rearranged slightly to encourage exploration more, most collectibles have more than you need (at least for the normal missions; the extra missions aren't necessary to beat the game), and not all missions are even collection-based (though the vast majority are).
For me, the Team Chaotix missions felt like a solid change of pace, and the Werehog already does that more than well enough in Unleashed; while I've only played the Wii port, the PS3/360 medals seem less like playing Team Chaotix's stages and more like having to do their collection playstyle for every stage on every route, at least from what I've heard.
Maybe I'll give that version a look if it gets ported to Steam or Switch, or if I can find the 360 version for cheap.
The medal collecting led me to playing Windmill Isle Night like 10 times in a row to collect every single medal
Chaomix is over there talking about how sun and moon medals hold the game back while I'm over here with my Wii version where the door won't open yet Sonic.
I thought I was the only one who thought this about sonic unleashed! I totally agree 100% that the medal collecting slows the game down tremendously! I am playing sonic unleashed currently and I took a month break just because of those medals even though I've beaten the game at least 5 times.
I do agree the medal Collection and barriers are very counter intuitive and halt progression, but rather than replaying the original stages for the grind, I would play the hidden second and third acts in each country as it gave the game more variety I felt. Plus it was fun to find those stages in the hub too.
0:44 Gotta love how none of those pics show the sole unfair reason the game is disliked by some: the Werehog
The biggest Problem of the Werehog imo is that the begining stats are to low (a realy bad first impression)
@@niwi7642 I'm actually saying that people are hypocritical. Despite praising the game and deeming it as underrated, they are hating on the same reasons that Unleashed haters exist (not the only one, just one of 'em)
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Yeah the Werehog is like 75% of the Game and its an either Like it or hate it situation
And even after getting good with the Werehog, i wouldnt recomment this game to Newcomers becouse of it
+ Sonic Generations exist
The Werehog is why this is the most boring Sonic game I've ever played.
Personally, I played the boost stages like they were Rhythm Games, where I keep replaying then until I've gotten used to the layout and timing so that I can look as badass as possible on a single run.
That said, even I think that the medal collecting would be much improved by making them optional (since the story purpose is that they somehow represent increasing Chip's power to allow him to unlock stages, which is pretty much unnecessary to the plot and can be gotten rid of without any problem), if it was for unlocking optional challenge stages or purchasing cosmetics.
I swear to God the thumbnails on this channel is the second reason why I subbed to this channel today
To add on to your counter arguments, the Stars and Shines in Mario games and hell even the Red Star Rings in Generations and especially Colors at the very least are actually somewhat of a challenge to get while sun and moon medals are either literally in your path and are impossible to miss, are placed sort of carelessly with little thought and don't really test your skills or exploration or in spots that are near impossible to figure out unless you got their accidentally or used a guide. Red Star Rings are actual mini challenges in the stage themselves that at least force the player to give some thought in what they should do to get them.
Today chaomix would like to talk about a sonic game that he somewhat holds to his heart...
Emphasizing on the somewhat.
Another Chaomix video? You just made my day!
I may have an unpopular opinion, but I think the medal collecting was fine. Since I already like to look around. Usually you can find most in the hub worlds, or the worlds where you look for the next level to do. For me they were easy to find, like I said I loved exploring the game. Yeah sure, the game is meant to go fast, but last time I remember playing, (because I was scared of the enemies lol) I would go slow and explore to avoid them, causing me to find a lot of medals before even knowing I had to for something. The only roadblock I had was with Eggman land because I didn’t have enough for them. After I beat all the stages I started perfecting them, and collecting and finding all the Easter eggs. Sonic Unleashed is 9.5/10 game and medal collecting is why for a lot of people. But..
Is anyone gonna talk about the ranking system and how stupid tight it is? No? No one?
Chaomix: The game takes 11 hours to beat
Me: laughs in 4 hours
I think there's a perfect version of Sonic Unleashed out there we never got.
A version with the Wii medal collecting system and gaia gates. The 360 hubs and nighttime gameplay. The 1st half of the dark gaia fight in the Wii version, and the 2nd half of the 360 version. The 360 controls with the Wii drift, and the 360 Eggmanland but split into a day and night stage.
If that version of Unleashed existed, critics would hail this one of the best Sonic games.
It still makes me sad that the Wii game is getting underrated for its low points.
I'm honestly having so much trouble getting enough Sun and Moon medals to unlock story important levels. It's quite frustrating and day time Sonic is so slippery and the platforming in the werehog sections can be absolutely horrendous.
This medal collecting reminds me of Sonic Advance 2. It also goes against everything Sonic is known for where you collect SP Rings to go and collect Chaos Emeralds. Probably worse cuz it's a 2D game with a screen crop (Pretty ironic too, since it's also the game that encourages you to go super fast). I completed it once, and never again.
New chaomix vid = The best friday
7:18 Oh hi, Sans.
10:40 I have just been replaying a few of that game's stages before watching this video. I will hold it up as one of the best games forever, unless there is a train of really good releases coming in the future.
Edit: I mean best Sonic games. Because some people always seem to misunderstand these statements.
I'm so happy that Unleashed got those recent performance improvements.
I think we should leave one or two medals in the boost stages that arnt hidden in a nook but rather are out in the open but requires you to make risky maneuver or have very fast reflexes to get it like that one in the second level where you have to push left after jumping to get the medal before grinding on the rail, the rest of the medals in the boost stages should be handled in the unwiished way
for the night stages its the same rule but medals can be hidden just not too hidden
idk i never had any issue with the medals, but maybe that's because i tend to explore as the werehog, the hub worlds and i also did the daytime optional stages
Even when I was in middle school this was my favorite game I’d actually restart it just to play it over again which I normally didn’t do. This game and Sonic and the Black Knight.
Just do it like how the Wii/PS2 version did it and make the medals be collectibles that unlock puzzles and concept art/music.
I think the medal should've been used to unlock optional stages like the wii version
Honestly never understood the issue with medal hunting I can only recall one time where I had my progression halted and that was on my first playthrough I didn't have enough medals to get to jungle joyride day. You get more than enough medals to proceed during the night stages where the levels are slower paced and have more exploration.
The day stage medals on the most part aren't even that out of the way most are found on shortcuts throughout the level
This is exactly what I think about it. I got halted only once and it took me less than 20 minutes and a short night level to get what I need. And the medals for day levels are found on shortcuts, it can become a matter of skill.
I was extremely paranoid about medals to the point the game dragged incredibly, but I still was stuck before Jungle Joyride. Even if playing the game in unnatural way doesn't guarantee smooth progression, the only end result can be frustration.
In my opinion. The medals aren’t that bad. The only level I got stuck was dragon road day
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Most of the sun medals are in the werehog stages which incentivize you to explore rather than go fast.. and in the speed stages they are normally rewards for higher paths or something. I didn’t hate the medals too much it was nice to keep me engaged in the werehog mode
They could remaster Unleashed, and implementing multiple save states, and then when you start a new game, you can choose if the medal collecting it’s gonna be like the Wii or HD version, or there could be a mode where there aren’t 200 sun and moon medals each, just 100 or something
I think that the best way to handle medal collection would have been to change how they were placed in the day stages. Rather than being hidden off the main path, they should have been rewarded for taking faster routes and doing tricks. Reward the player for their skill rather than make them go out of the way to find them. Personally, I think the Werehog stages were fine in terms of collection as they were slow-paced already, and the medals usually weren't that egregious to collect. That's my 2 cents anyways.
I remember playing Sonic Unleashed and never beaten it because of the medal system.
I struggled to get the required medals and basically gave up (as I was basically locked out of the story.) as well left a sour view on the game.
Honestly, the medal system should be optional and not required.
My favorite 3D Sonic game. I've actually loved it ever since I got it back in 2009 for Christmas. Why did everyone else not like it back then though?
IGN reviews messed with their opinions
@@spin08 Everyone should know by now that "professional" journalists shouldn't be trusted and that we should use the user score to determine whether a game is worth it or not.
@@spin08 and people just didnt like the werehog. Back then it wasnt like now where the game has a cult following and people love it (rightfully so its a great game and my favorite) but at the time sonic was seen as cringy and the werehog was too outlandish for people to take seriously
One side of the game is still ignored
@@BitchChill I've always enjoyed the Werehog gameplay except for Arid Sands Night.
The adressing bias part is so good because expose a problem in the comunnity and why the game is kinda overhyped today.
I was one of the "Sonic Unleashed good" buds but now I think we are getting a level of exageratted praised to the game.
the best way to force someone to the dark side of being a completionist
To me it isn't, been playing the PS3 Copy from my Library alot lately, it never gets old.
Medal Collecting and the Werehog destroyed my first "Playthrough" (stopped at Eggman Land)
After this huge "Unleashed Hype" i did gave the Game a second Chance
(I got from Hating it more than Forces to actually like and completing it)
The most frustration i got from the Werehog was, that [without the Level ups] it sucked more than Big in SA1 (out of place, slow and frustrating)
The Medals just made it worse
I think, the game would realy benefit from just give you a better Werehog from the start on (no seriusly, i barrely got better, but the stats helped me enjoying it more) and just lower the Medals youre requiered to progress
Im also not a big Fan of Quicktime-Events which didnt helped either on my first "Playthrough", i got the hang of it, but i still dont like them (the main reason i lost lives, besides the two Titans on the Skyscrapper stage)
I also wouldnt prais Eggman Land
(Most Deaths i got came from balencing the Werehog and Quicktime-Events)
Thankfully the Gamedesigners knew Eggman Land sucked (they put 1ups everywhere)
Again i like it, but these where the thinks that i hate/d, but to be more positive, the Super Sonic fight is in my opinion the BEST IN THE SERIES (if you dont count the stuff before it like Gaya Golem)
Well, if im being honest, the medal collecting system just like the red rings is a good way for revisit the stages and take anothers paths, in the nights levels are better because is a more slow gameplay so you dont need to be running like a crazy for going to the goal
It adds replay ability. I mention think about it Unleashed has 9 main stages (and night stages), stretching the time you play them isn't bad.
Ehhh I disagree the reason I think the game is so fun and replayable is bcz of how great the level design is not the metals lmao
Unleashed is the opposite.
In other games with little to no required collectibles, I can beat the game and find the rest later. In Unleashed I'm so bored from slogging through the game I never want to play it again. I'd rather play Shadow any day of the week.
So I am going to make my comments as I progress throughout the session of the video 4:50 throughout the course of the gameplay it gives you the emphasis of exploration throughout the course of the hub worlds to collect the sun and moon medals specially in acts 2 & 3 day and night time stages.
So with this being said I finished the video and yes you didn't mention anything regarding the other acts within the game that give you the sun and moon medals which act 2 and 3 also give you more play time with said game. I've heard the counter argument "why should I have to go to extra acts that just breaks up the pacing" which is silly in itself because act 2 and 3 are not "extras" in a sonic game
Ah yes, the iconic "Sonic Credit Score". Truly an amazing video game.
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Being late to the party with this game (I got it probably a year ago now), I've seen a bunch of videos of this game in the past about this game and have seen a lot of Sun/Moon Medal placements in said videos. I got to Jungle Joyride day act 1 only needing thirteen Sun Medals and two Moon Medals. I've also played previous levels so many times so I have said to myself "What is over there?" or "What happens if I did this?" enough times too find most secrets before Jungle Joyride. I half don't get why he needs so many here 4:08. So at that point I was so stuck finding ( stuck more like didn't want to play night levels) them that I had to get things from shops all around the world map to trade for moon medals.
This is not an angry rant or a "get gud". I suck at the game so... yeah.
Been playing Deltarune recently so nice to see my boi Sonic again.
Ill be honest, I don't mind the Medal System, in the Nighttime stages as those are more themed on collecting stuff. I do think they should be lowered in order to complete the main game, and awarded based on Rank in Daytime stages.
I COMPLETELY agree.
As someone who has always stood by this game from the day it came out, this has still been my biggest issue with it. (Well, this and eggmanland)
i just noticed that sonic is on all fours on the thumbnail
I keep thinking that the Wii version of Unleashed handles medals the best and I do believe the HD versions should’ve done the same thing. You get more medals by finishing stages with a specific rank which COULD still open new levels but can also bring back that emblem collecting feel from the Adventure games that can progressively give you more chances at goodies like the Gaia Gates in the Wii version
I agree with you on the medals, I don't have to patience to 100% the game because I don't want to rip all my hair out collecting every last medal
When I got to jungle joyride, I only needed a few. I chose to collect all the medals I could anyway
But I remember I was sad that I had to go back through past levels to unlock that one jungle joyride level. I'm fed up of people saying "sonic = fast slow = bad"
Also I'm pretty sure mario sometimes DOES get a tiny bit of criticism of the star coins or the leaf ride in sunshine
(you don't have to get all 400 medals to beat the game, they unlock 1 level that lets you continue with the game but the requirement isn't 400. That's why I don't have all of them)
Also when I first played I wouldn't call myself a big sonic fan.
I didn't know how bad 06 was, and I had only just found out about unleashed. A friend got me unleashed when I actually wanted 06. The only reason I had unleashed was a mistake.
Well, high-speed platforming IS the main thing that makes Sonic stand out, and him having allies that can literally keep up with him makes sense.
@@CarbonRollerCaco Too bad Unleashed ditched the latter.
The sun and moon medals are literally red star rings but more and mandatory. Remove the mandatory part and they're just as good in my opinion 🤔
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the way i would do is first when new level pops up i go really slow for all the medals and then i would go the way the game intended it btw i think the day stages shout give medals on the path like secret path gives you a medal you completed a stage under 6 mins here 2 medals that would work for me
Idea for a remaster, collecting medals unlocks concept art, not required for progression
I didn't have a problem with the medals because I would love to replay and s rank stages and most if not all secret Speedrun routes had a medal waiting for me
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I think with this topic you have a bit exagerated, medal collecting isn't really that much of a problem, but I can agree with some of your points. I think that the right balance for medal collecting would be maybe to remove completely or in part medals from the day stages, to allow the players to fully enjoy the speed of the levels. For the night stages, I think medals are needed, because at night everything is slowed down, so exploring is perfect in this levels. Medals during the night make the players want to explore more in order to succeed. For the last thing I would make the medals to be used for unlocking only the night and extra stages.
I think the Mario comparrison mostly stems from the non collectithon games like New Super Mario Bros, 3D Land and 3D World, where the objective is to get from point a to b but the Star coins, Green stars, etc are still required for progression however the big difference is in those games the collectibles are placed in plain sight in very easy to memorise spots and usually in paths you'd be taking anyways and the amount needed for progression is far less strict than Unleashed.
Oddessy is just Sonic Unleashed, seriously it has the same pattern from start to finish and the levels are also the same, there's a video showcasing it but I have a video proving Bowsers Fury is just the end of Unleashed.
Star coins are optional, Green Stars are not.
@@artistanthony1007 That is complete bullshit
@@artistanthony1007 I played both and I heavily disagree. Mario Oddysey has more open worlds where you can access smaller, more linear areas at any time you want, and the fast travel checkpoints make it easier to backtrack. The closest thing Sonic Unleashed has to an open area are the HUB worlds and those have the least amount of medals to collect, instead, Unleashed has linear levels that can deny you the possibility of backtracking, forcing you to restart the level and sacrifice a life just to get the medal you missed.
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I would probably replace the medals in the levels with some optional collectible with the Unwiished system.
I really like medal collecting, but man... that medal in arid sands day - act 1... I thought that was a botomless pit, I searched that moon medal for 3 weeks because it's hidden in a place that looks like a certain death! Sometimes can be so unfair...
Personally i think they should've just like halved the medal requirements for stages and it would be fine, i feel like tying the medals to bonus stages was a decent idea though.
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I Agree with You about the Moon and Sun medals
That's what like about the ps2 version.
It rewards u for going fast and then collect 3 medals for getting a better rank
I feel like that medals should have been locked to level rank if they still would want to have the progression locked behind them, just got to the part its in the wii version.
But making you go through levels multiple times to upgrade sonic and the werehog is most likely the wanted experience.
I think a relatively easy fix would be cut the amount of metals in half, maybe even quarter the amount, and relegate all of them to the werehog levels. If not that, then maybe slap a few into some shortcut side paths in the day missions so they’re kind of like a reward for each. The werehog missions would reward you for finding them by exploring, and the day missions would reward you for finding them, along with finding the quickest route through the level
A closer comparison to the medals would be the green stars in Super Mario 3D World. There are multiple in each level, they're often hidden, and they're required for progression. The biggest difference being that getting green stars is tied to doing the most fun things in Mario games: exploring and tough platforming. The medals in Unleashed are usually tucked behind corners or in obscure parts of the levels. They should have been used to encourage playing the game in the most fun way possible. It doesn't even have to be exactly like the Wii version. If most of them had been placed in upper paths and shortcuts, they could have been used to teach players how to get the most out of the levels.
Sonic's had a lot of different methods to encourage replaying levels: Chaos Emeralds, multiple playable characters, Chao, the ranking system, branching story paths, leveling Sonic up, materials for boats, Wisp powers, red rings, Avatar missions, and so on. The medals in Sonic Unleashed, as they are in the Xbox and PlayStation versions, are easily the worst method they've done (and leveling Sonic up in Secret Rings was pretty bad).
The amount of people who defend this is weird to me, I think it's just a lot easier to admit a game you like isn't perfect.
Not for them.
That's literally my argument when people say Mario does it.
SONIC IS NOT MARIO, HE WAS LITERALLY CREATED TO CHALLENGE MARIO AND THE PLATFORMING GENRE AS A WHOLE.
Can't stop how this game would look of theres a remastered for PS4 or PS5
Personally, I like Sonic Unleashed, but the Medal hunting does distract me from playing the game. But I can forgive the game because of how the Unleashed's story is. Great video!