Have We Been Building Church Wrong?
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- Have We Been Building Church Wrong?
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A very needed teaching. A religious system has been established under the doctrines of "pastors only".
Good word, The church has rejected these roles due to the prophet being off on a profetic word, the evangalist bringing in raw sinners that are still trying to break old habits, teachers not fully understanding themselves, apostles not getting the support to be sent out and or backing by leadership, pastors being overwhelmed by doing it all
NO FATHERING ACROSS THE BOARD
WERE IN NEED FOR THE FATHERS TO ARISE
Oh my gosh! Thank you. My wife and I have been married 39 years and just as you described; When I get passionate - I'm intense and get louder. She is always worried that I will offend someone and tries to quiet me or shut me down.... I thought she just didn't like my personality. This helps me to see why we are different. Thanks.
Makes perfect sense. I've looked at church, at what pastors go through, and knew I didn't fit that mold. I didn't have the compassion of a shepherd, or the desire to council others on their issues in life, marriage, etc. I felt like a failure all my life seeing my friends become pastors and here I am 61 and never "did ministry".... now I know why; I didn't have the grace to fit into the wrong structure.A structure that didn't allow for the 5 fold function of ministry. Thanks for sharing this.
Our churches ARE NOT functioning in the five fold is partly why so many are finding different ministries on u-tube. Many of the Saints of God want to see more and are hungry for more than just attending church on Sunday morning. So we cannot discount ministries that are out there that can open the eyes to more of the Lord!!!!
We must allow people to flow as God has called them to not who we want them to be !!
Amen🙂❤️🙌👊💯
Wow. “We are just like the Israelites who said ‘give me a king’”! 40:00
I’m learning so much Jeremiah. After being baptized in the Holy Spirit 7 years ago, I began to have dreams of casting our demons, the Feeler gift was amplified(I became aware of feeling the environment around me, including spiritual junk people carry. There’s more. I appreciate the wisdom being shared here.
Highly recommend Matt Sorgers Feeler Course, if you haven’t already done it 😊
Thank you, I will look into this!
Several days ago I was going to post a request for ministers/pastors to teach their people how to recognize characteristics of the five-fold ministry.
Today, I turn on CZcams and thank God this message was in my feed! I thought I was just going to make a request out of my frustration of not having anyone close enough to me to have a meaningful conversation or understand what I’m seeing or saying from God. Obviously, it was on God’s heart too! Thank you. You’re preaching what I’ve been trying to communicate to the church for over 30 years. Five fold ministers all function differently and in many cases have unique personalities and communication styles.
The church has been too ignorant of the very Kingdom of which they consider themselves citizens. If and when the five-fold ministry functions properly throughout the body, ministers of each would be more recognizable. Hopefully, we can really begin to learn how the Kingdom of God should look and function IN THE EARTH. Thanks again for getting this information out there.
Ian Mcormack, also does great 5 fold teaching. Blessings
By the way, the Saints ARE THE CHURCH, It's NOT THE BUILDING. The building is where the saints assemble to worship!!!!
I used to see a building. Now I see there is no building and the foundation is exposed. It's time to rebuild the building. Christ is the foundation then he builds HIS church.
The Lord will have his way. Father we need your help
You are absolutely right, Mary! We have so conditioned the body of Christ to think that they are supposed to go to church rather than being the “Church”. It’s a simple very simple thing but it’s so ingrained in us that we don’t even notice it and we think that because we have gone to church on Sunday that’s it we’ve done our duty so the rest of the week we are lost and pay Him no attention.
Sure its not about a building, but that is a place where we all meet. There is nothing evil about it. We could all meet under the trees if we want. The point is to we ALL ASSEMBLE somewhere. Notice assemble come together and be put/ fitted together ( kinda like puzzle pieces) to give a full picture , a full walking body of Christ.
Thank you Jeremiah! This teaching is so vital and I truly believe that your expressed sentiments are the exact cause of why so many children of God whom are CALLED cannot seem to get off the ground. It’s because there is no room for their gifts to be expressed. Therefore, they are suppressed and die out. & many of us run around and scrabble for a place or platform to release what is inside of us; yet the gifts are not fully expressed; leaving many of us feeling purposeless and honestly drained of life and the things of God.
ALL gifts of the body are vital for the functioning of the church. I truly believe that the church will be the very lifeline of the world soon and without us, the world and those in it will LITERALLY perish! Yet, many are not equipped to operate in the gifts that have been given by the Lord and the church is not equipping many to function and go out in the power of them.
We can’t leave it all up to the Holy Spirit.
The physical church is lacking classes and teachings that help us to do even the bare minimum of what Jesus said we will do as believers! Casting out demons, etc.
Jesus… help us.
You’re correct…. I too feel the neglect of the body of Christ coming together in Unity and teaching effectively the gospel that as we share the good news to the world.👏👏👏👍❤️💯👊🙂🙌
I couldn't have said it any better. Exactly 💯. Just keep praying, that's the best we can do and believe fivefold will be restored. I pray, let the Holy Spirit work in the church and our lives. God in us, working through us , let us do that. Together building God's kingdom together. Amen and hallelujah ♥️ We need to stop working against each in the church and start working with each other for Christ. Amen
@@TS-op3ui Amen! It is all about Jesus and shall forever be. 🤍
Amen! I'm so glad other members of the Body feel the same as I do.
@@D.J.60 Definitely not alone brother. There's a lot more than you think. But, I know God has a plan. Jeremiah is obedient to help, Including Emma Stark and Charlie Shamp. God is raising up others who will speak out and prayer warriors. Dr Bill Haman wrote a book back in 1997 that I'm currently reading now. "The book is Apostles Prophets and the coming moves of God"
( God's end-time plans for his church and plant Earth) that's what we're seeing right now and who knows if this was happening back in 1997. But what he's talking about in the book is exactly what's happening today. I'm only on the first chapter. Hang in there brother, the Lord will work it out.
Jeremiah, I’ve been waiting to hear a message like this for nearly 50 years and this is exactly what I believe the Lord will revive in the last days. Not long after the gospel arrived in the USA, it slowly started becoming an enterprise where numbers served the “CEO” in several different ways but primarily financially for the sake of the business. This will probably be the CEOs greatest challenge. How does he disperse the five fold ministry in an organization that’s really set up to serve him and his business model and associates. How does he share the “pulpit” with more than one pastor? By the way, the word pulpit or rostrum is a pagan idea and probably has no place in a given assembly. Also, I noticed one thing that you didn’t emphasize and that is God gave the church plural pastors, teachers and apostles and this means there’s more than one in any given assembly. You have certainly opened a can of worms, and I will gladly help you in any way I can. You have my attention and support.
Thank u so much for clarity. Do u realize this has been so much healing and it’s taken care of confusion because I have felt this in my heart so long that I’ve become an outcast because of the truth. I would hear this. It’s given me so much confidence that I hear Holy Spirit. Makes u wonder the sin that’s not repented in people hearts that are not moving with Holy Spirit to get revaluation. Baal and nicolotians Profit and control.
Excellent !!! Amen. This truly blessed my spirit, especially coming from a Jehovah's witness background. I'm dreaming dreams and having understanding of things taught directly from Holy Spirit. I HAVE never been to a church that has all 5 fold ministries activated and functional. 😢 but I shall see and be apart of a 5 fold ministry in Jesus name I trust. Amen amen amen.
I hope I am not in the five fold
I don’t want to be
I’m a sheep that hears His voice
I believe all believers can move in any of the gifts at any time by the grace of God
Robby, you are a poet. 😅
Best 5 fold teaching I have ever heard! Blessings.
I agree 🙂👍👏👊
Such a great word, the only other person I have ever heard teach on this is Ian Mcormack. It gripped my heart when I heard him, and it grips me when I hear you, because this really is the heart of God in this era.
Yes we have not been building The Church right !
I so love this message, I’m so grateful to hear this. The grace is obvious & stirs in me to seek God even more. Truth teller right there, thank you so much for TRUTH
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Wooow. So much confirmation and conviction. Thank you Abba for bold obedience and divine wisdom!!! Praise God.
This word is so true !!
PREACH IT!!!
❤❤❤❤❤ love love love this ministry!
Ok, so this is on point Bible teaching. Glad to hear it.
Great message. Praise Jesus Christ.
💯 ❤ praise God!!!! 👏
Powerful message. Truth from the Word of God and by the holy spirit. 🙏 ❤
This message is well needed, thank God for using you 🙏
FACT Sir...thank you ❤
We are the church. If so be, Jesus said He will build us.
Just spend time alone with Him, in His Word. As He said We will Be Tought of God". We are also told that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth, also that we do not need anyone to teach us. Those that are led by the Spirit, not by man, those are the children of God.
Don’t forget the fellowship Jesus himself didn’t operate alone. He invited disciples to learn of HIM The Great Shepherd. We NEED THE BODY👏👏👏🙌
To quote the Bible regarding your comment does the hand tell the arm I have no need of thee? And again “He gave the church teachers”.
Good teaching… May we ALL in The Body of Christ Operate in Our own Lane… meaning whatever Jesus has called YOU to do… As Mary his Mother said ..Just Do It.. It is really that simple but we have made a simple message very complicated…smh. Let’s go out as Jesus said and Be The Church so that men see our light shining high on hill and our Father in Heaven Will be Glorified… It Is TRULY ALL About JESUS!!! AMEN 🙂🙌❤️👊👏💯
Would u come teach 5 fold ministry at Living Word, Cuba Mo?
Yes
Haven't watched the video yet, butbi can answer this question emphatically yes! By the grace of God He called me as a prophet to His body and from the beginning 30 years ago i can say very confidently this is not how the Lord created His church to be built or live.
It has been the travailing work of my life to be a part of a broken, disjointed and highly dysfunctional church. Years not understanding why church is not working..smiles. It is my conviction that many have had the same experiences for many years. To this very day i have not found a church that demonstrates the biblical blueprint of the church. Lol..I'll be 80 by the time we get it figured out. Ay yi yi Help us Lord.
Psalms 127
I really enjoyed this word. I would add that its impossible to define these ministries fully. The Apostle Paul was gentle like a mother and firm like a father. The Apostle John spoke largely about being loving kind gentle etc. Personality mixtures of grace. Im a mixture of 3 of these graces. I am a mixture of Apostolic prophetic and pastoral. There are lots of folks with these blendings.
What a word😅😅😅😅
“How we doing?” J.J. 😂
Jeremiah your right on, but these so called lead pastor s are not going to give up there positions of control, manipulation, and big paychecks in order to do what your preaching. It's going to take severe persecution and major disaster s and the body of CHRIST waking up from this spectator Christianity that AMERICAN S love just like baseball games, going to a movie and a Broadway show. These leaders also say God told me to do such and such and most of the time it's there soulish nature's speaking to them.
Yes Joseph I didn’t want to say it in my comment but I think you are right on. Persecution usually forces the church to be what it originally was and that’s a body and not an enterprise led by the business owner/pastor. Historically, when persecution comes, these guys usually head for the hills. I attended a mega-church here which has a nearly 70,000 members and the lead pastor’s salary is nearly 400k. He shares his pulpit from time to time, but it’s only to those who are professionals and part of the business. I attended this church for nearly 7 years and I never met him or had a conversation with the pastor. He was one of the untouchables who ran the business/church.
Spot on Jeremiah, too much religion. I heard the Father say this morning, for His people to stop and listen. We should SHUT UP and listen to what the Spirit of God is saying. If we really believed in Jesus we should be “the light” in a dark world and impact humanity, instead of the world impacting us. We have it wrong and need to stop and listen to what the Spirit of the most high God is saying. I hate religion and am sick of the Jesus that we have been portraying. We need to portray the real Jesus of the bible. No wonder why most of us are void of power to impact humanity. Jesus we are desperate for you. We are so hungry for the Jesus of the bible. Please come and revive our hearts. God come and build your house
You can't build around people. Christ alone cornerstone.
But can a Pastor be an Apostle too?
Can the fivefold have two or three?
Some say Apostles can tap into all 5 gifts, so they can be the connector between different functions.
6:41 amen 🙏🏽
8:00
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9:57 ❤ Love and Truth 🙏🏽
11:48 Amen.
12:46
❤ fivefold ministry 🙏🏽 Body of the Lord 🕊️
14:03
we need to find out what Our purpose in Christ is.
its not only the fivefold, its praying people 🙏🏽 and those who flows in the Spiritgifts
we need to train people to flow and discover their Spiritgifts Today.
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Now everyone will want to be a Apostle or Prophet, everyone! Because people are spotlight seekers😢