For anyone who doesn’t want to buy a specific product in addition to their sleeping bags - I bought a cheap quilt and ordered some nylon1.6 fabric, sent it all to a dressmaker, along with my sleeping pad and pillow, with the instructions “copy this product”. 100 for the quilt, 30 for the nylon, 100 for the work. They made it so I could either put the quilt on top of the pad or around and under it with very simple system and thin cordage.
Did that back in the 60's sill in my inventory works great.. Instead of using a quilt we modified a sleeping bag. At home we use it on our guest bed as a quilt
Definitely an awesome sleep system. I have the exact same one with the exception of I got the regular lost ranger 15 not the UL. Got the same sleeping pad also. All works great together
Nemo Tango matched to a mattress, does this same thing. It is quilt, has a pillow pocket, under sheet and has a hood. Add a liner of your choosing or a bag as a linter or none at all. I love my tango with tensor pad. Most comfortable sleeping ever. I actually carry the EE torrid jacket I have anyway, pants and booties for all season system.
Hello 👋 Eric thank you for sharing this most informative video. I consider checking it out. The best to you for your good health and safety. See you on the next video. 🤗
There are a lot of free gains in the warmth of a sleeping system to be made by just shoving the stuff you’re not using like your backpack underneath your sleeping pad on a really cold night. I also always see it advised against to sleep in outer layers but that is also a huge way to add warmth. Also if you want to sleep with your insulating layers but it feels too restrictive, nothing says you have to wear a jacket as a jacket you can just lay it over you or wrap it around your legs like a blanket.
I have a suggestion to make the system even more adaptable By adding several more options. Always start with a light weight (under one pound) Bivi bag, A Sleeping bag liner,(I use a sea to Summit bag liner It adds about 10 degrees warmth) a Nija suite(capoline tops and bottoms) A 13oz hooded down jacket. This is based on the military MSS Modular Sleep System. Take only what you need for the trip you plan. Make sure the system can Breath, to expel moisture, build up and at the same time trap warm body heat. A sleep system does not create heat> It traps and holds body heat. The system is effective from 70 degrees to minus 20 F depending on the combinations you chose to bring along. If you use a Bivy bag which I highly recommend. Put your sleeping pad inside the bivy bag for added warmth and you can't slid off it. Every layer adds more isolation and the space between the layers is another layer of insolation. The whole is greater than the parts.
At 275 lbs, I invested in the Big Agnes Q-core sleeping pad system for my Big Agnes Lost Dog 15 which fits around the sleeping pad perfectly for an incredible sleep.
Thank you for bringing this sleeping system to my attention. Yes, I seem to slide down on the pad towards where my feet are, and half the night keep searching for my pillow. It's shocking to me that Nemo as a producer of variety of hiking pillows hasn't incorporated a simple strap so you can secure it around your pad. There are some cheapo plasticky pillows that have it but they are crap. This is a great system for someone who does not have any sleeping bags, however I already have several, so It's hard to justify such a purchase to essentially use just the outer bag. I called Agnes today and of course they don't sell just the outer one (thus turning down all that potential sale from people like me who already have sleeping bags but wouldnt mind having a pillow secured and being able to toss and turn at night without falling off the pad). They do have a quilt of some kind similar to the outer bag but too heavy....so for right now Im just going to keep what I have.
Keep what you have! I’m glad you came to that conclusion. I would love to see Big Agnes come out with just the outer. It’d be a great companion to almost any bag.
Love the look of this system! I’d also love to see it packed down in a future video if it makes sense. I still wish the chest girth was wider, but maybe we’ll get a wide version some day.
For sure, yeah I should've included it packed up. But it gets very small! Yeah, I suppose the inner bag could be a little small if you've got broad chest/shoulders.
Would love to see a video about the Thermarest OHM . There is basically zero info or videos about it , and it’s the comfiest sleeping bag I’ve ever used .
Hey! Out of curiosity what's the deal with tent manufacturers this year. I'm interested in the big agnes copper spur HV UL3 for my daughter, dog and myself but it's out of stock. Is this discontinued? Looking for a quality 3man tent to take my kiddo out and would like a light tent for the hiking. Thank you
I’ve been backpacking and canoe tripping since I was 16. I’m now 51. I have NEVER had a good night’s sleep in a tent. I think it’s time that changes. I’m not sure if this particular setup is for me, but I think I’m ready for a system.
That outer bag has almost fill-less patches all over it. Can see them with the orange colour. Those will leak heat all night. That would be less noticeable with an inner bag but it does look flawed.
You’re not the first person to call this out, but I really haven’t experienced this in reality. I’ve been using this bag since February and have camped in some cold, borderline conditions and haven’t noticed the other quilt having issues with the baffles and down fill. It is thin, which is why I think people are seeing through it. But it’s supposed to be a lighter outer, rated only to 50 degrees on its own.
You perfectly demonstrated my two biggest problems when sleeping. 1: I roll around too much and get lost and start panicking because I’m stuck in my bag 😅 and 2: my freaking pillow constantly falling off.
That's the best part of the system. Pairing it with any existing bag is possible too for extra warmth. Not sure if you can buy just the one though. Ask Big Agnes?
@@BackpackingTV They don't. Of course. Mistake I think. I'm sure if you had a warranty issue with just the outer bag, they wouldn't give you the whole thing...
Thank you for sharing. One can clearly see through the “quilt” layer where the fill has shifted and left areas uninsulated. That has to affect the insulating value of those areas. Better fill control measures might be in order. Please comment on this issue.
It'd be really helpful if you took 5 seconds of the video to show how big the bag is compared to the backpack. I'll try to find somewhere else, thanks.
I'm a bit torn between this setup and the Zenbivy Light Bed. Neither are cheap, but they both have some really impressive flexibility. I'm definitely a tosser/turner and side sleeper most of the time, which makes me wonder if the Zenbivy might be a slightly better choice for me (no mummy bag). If you ever try the Zenbivy Light Bed, I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again for the great videos!
I must say that I would prefer the manufacturers use the same system that is used in civil engineering for isolation. Then it is easy to compare. People would learn fast what these numbers mean and get educated.
Very interesting product. I've often wondered why manufacturers don't provide a cost-effectiveness comparison for sleep systems. For example, cost per item weight, or cost per comfort level, or better yet, cost per R-value (although I've never seen a sleeping bag rated by R-value (why not?)). This would help most consumers make a reasonable choice. For the Lost Ranger UL 3N1 sleeping bag, the cost per weight would be $16.18. This could be compared to other bags to make an informed purchase decision. The greater metric would be the warmth to cost ratio. Just a thought... Thanks for another great video!
Interesting theory! The only thing I could see is that using a metric like that could be manipulated. Warmth ratings are already a bit of a can of worms to begin with.
@@BackpackingTV I haven't seen too many videos on it. 4" thick pad with a R value of 4.2 and its under 100usd. I dont think its an official r value rating, but curious how well itll fair in colder weather. I have the 4ft version of the pad, and I really enjoy it. They also seem to have other gear that doesn't break the bank as well. You seem to value good sleeping pads, so I'm curious of what you think of their pads.
I'm a side sleeper and I think it works out pretty nice. The internal bag can be a little narrow and thus, slight negative marks for side and stomach sleepers.
@@wuffos Very much a commercial lol. It looks hella good but man...650 just for the 3-in-1 system is brutal. There are other brands that have the pillow insert that are at least 200 less.
Big Agnes, meh...🙄 I carry my King Size Sealy Posturepedic Palatial Crest mattress with my Canadian White Goose Down Quilt and Tempur pillow with me for all hiking trips, I get the best sleep.
2 lbs 6 oz... combined. Also at a price point of $570.00. This makes ZPacks quilts even more appealing. Don't get me wrong... this is for some, but for those of us riding the razors edge, this is like bringing the kitchen sink. Really awesome concept!
I don't get the system.... you want a quilt to avoid being restrained by the mummy sleeping bag but as you showed in the video when you roll over you are entangled by the mummy
This product makes no sense to me. From what I understand, people who like quilts like them because A) quilts are lighter (no back insulation) and B) the constriction of a bag. This product is a quilt in addition to a bag so just as heavy if not heavier without the benefit of a lack of constriction. And, it’s a little pricey, btw.
To me this seems like an overpriced ZenBivy ripoff. I’m not sure how they aren’t in trouble for copying/infringement.🤷🏼♂️. I have the ZenBivy system. It is very comfortable. I agree. Can be a quilt or a bag and a pad sheet.
Really interesting, but the video would have much more informative if you’d shown the bag on a table, instead of in the tent. For most of the video, the bag isn’t even in the frame.
This is just another variation of a sleeping bag. I don't see anything in this video that would address the common issues most people have actually sleeping in the backcountry.
With all due respect, “gimmick”! $550’ish will get you any number of Western Mountaineering bags that are worth their weight in gold. (Or, Feathered Friends.)
Any in particular bags come to mind for better value? I think the versatility gives this bag a lot of value. In warm weather, you can split it up between two people and each person gets a bag. I literally did this with my girlfriend while camping in the desert when it was warm. The extra price is also for the UL properties. Can get the non-UL version if you want to save some money.
I can't say I agree with you. I have had good luck with getting quality pads/mattresses from BA. You can always pair this system with any pad or mattress though. Keep using the one you enjoy!
BackpackingTV thanks. I had faith in them in the beginning but after trying three different pads inside a clean tent and having them fail on the first trip I lost it. Good to know you’ve had better success.
For anyone who doesn’t want to buy a specific product in addition to their sleeping bags - I bought a cheap quilt and ordered some nylon1.6 fabric, sent it all to a dressmaker, along with my sleeping pad and pillow, with the instructions “copy this product”. 100 for the quilt, 30 for the nylon, 100 for the work. They made it so I could either put the quilt on top of the pad or around and under it with very simple system and thin cordage.
Did that back in the 60's sill in my inventory works great.. Instead of using a quilt we modified a sleeping bag. At home we use it on our guest bed as a quilt
I love my original Ranger sleeping bag, I have been waiting for something new that checked off all my boxes. I'm excited!
Definitely an awesome sleep system. I have the exact same one with the exception of I got the regular lost ranger 15 not the UL. Got the same sleeping pad also. All works great together
Nemo Tango matched to a mattress, does this same thing. It is quilt, has a pillow pocket, under sheet and has a hood. Add a liner of your choosing or a bag as a linter or none at all. I love my tango with tensor pad. Most comfortable sleeping ever. I actually carry the EE torrid jacket I have anyway, pants and booties for all season system.
I am getting so much joy from your gentleness and positive demeanor. ✨️ ^_^
Appreciate these videos alot. Very helpful for beginner backpackers
Glad to be helpful here!
Hello 👋 Eric thank you for sharing this most informative video. I consider checking it out. The best to you for your good health and safety. See you on the next video. 🤗
I appreciate that Ronald!
25 inch pad is definitely a game changer. I’ll never go back.
There are a lot of free gains in the warmth of a sleeping system to be made by just shoving the stuff you’re not using like your backpack underneath your sleeping pad on a really cold night. I also always see it advised against to sleep in outer layers but that is also a huge way to add warmth. Also if you want to sleep with your insulating layers but it feels too restrictive, nothing says you have to wear a jacket as a jacket you can just lay it over you or wrap it around your legs like a blanket.
This system is one of the best sleeping systems I’ve used, ever. It and the Zenbivy Light Bed are top tier in my book right now.
heck yeah! I'm not up to speed on the Zenbivy though. I'll have to check that out.
I would be very interested in seeing a comparison of the BA vs Zenbivy
@@joh9421 stay tuned to my channel. That’s coming soon!
@@BackcountryExposure I agree. It's between those two really...for us finicky sleepers...
I have a suggestion to make the system even more adaptable By adding several more options. Always start with a light weight (under one pound) Bivi bag, A Sleeping bag liner,(I use a sea to Summit bag liner It adds about 10 degrees warmth) a Nija suite(capoline tops and bottoms) A 13oz hooded down jacket. This is based on the military MSS Modular Sleep System. Take only what you need for the trip you plan. Make sure the system can Breath, to expel moisture, build up and at the same time trap warm body heat. A sleep system does not create heat> It traps and holds body heat. The system is effective from 70 degrees to minus 20 F depending on the combinations you chose to bring along. If you use a Bivy bag which I highly recommend. Put your sleeping pad inside the bivy bag for added warmth and you can't slid off it. Every layer adds more isolation and the space between the layers is another layer of insolation. The whole is greater than the parts.
I like the pillow pocket.
At 275 lbs, I invested in the Big Agnes Q-core sleeping pad system for my Big Agnes Lost Dog 15 which fits around the sleeping pad perfectly for an incredible sleep.
That makes such a big difference in sleep quality!
I have been doing a dual system with western mountaineering bags.
Works great....but would be nice if western made a dedicated system.
"Tons of research" - does this mean that you've been sleeping a lot?
Means “Big Agnes sent me a bunch of free shit to make a sponsored video with.”
Fact: I'm quite good at that kind of research actually!
The air mat looks good The cushion must be pretty good. 😃 😼 ☺️
It’s very good. Around 4” thick. I’ve loved it. Had it about 2 years and it hasn’t let me down
Great for overnight guests too; for small apartment spaces or a great room & don’t have to store a bulky mattress & bed frame!
yes that's true! Good idea.
Connects to my mattress got me sold!
I move alot when sleeping 😴
I also need something for a range of Temps that takes little weight
awesome
Thank you for bringing this sleeping system to my attention. Yes, I seem to slide down on the pad towards where my feet are, and half the night keep searching for my pillow. It's shocking to me that Nemo as a producer of variety of hiking pillows hasn't incorporated a simple strap so you can secure it around your pad. There are some cheapo plasticky pillows that have it but they are crap. This is a great system for someone who does not have any sleeping bags, however I already have several, so It's hard to justify such a purchase to essentially use just the outer bag. I called Agnes today and of course they don't sell just the outer one (thus turning down all that potential sale from people like me who already have sleeping bags but wouldnt mind having a pillow secured and being able to toss and turn at night without falling off the pad). They do have a quilt of some kind similar to the outer bag but too heavy....so for right now Im just going to keep what I have.
Keep what you have! I’m glad you came to that conclusion. I would love to see Big Agnes come out with just the outer. It’d be a great companion to almost any bag.
Zen bivvy is basically just the outer bag attached to the sleep pad
Love the look of this system! I’d also love to see it packed down in a future video if it makes sense.
I still wish the chest girth was wider, but maybe we’ll get a wide version some day.
For sure, yeah I should've included it packed up. But it gets very small! Yeah, I suppose the inner bag could be a little small if you've got broad chest/shoulders.
@@BackpackingTV yeah, unfortunately it’s always a factor for me. Maybe more hiking will help trim it down 😂
Is this better than the zenbivy alternative I’m looking into getting a sleep system to start off.
Would love to see a video about the Thermarest OHM . There is basically zero info or videos about it , and it’s the comfiest sleeping bag I’ve ever used .
Looks nice. I have the zenbivy light and altho this looks nice… that price! 😳
Hey! Out of curiosity what's the deal with tent manufacturers this year. I'm interested in the big agnes copper spur HV UL3 for my daughter, dog and myself but it's out of stock. Is this discontinued? Looking for a quality 3man tent to take my kiddo out and would like a light tent for the hiking. Thank you
I’ve been backpacking and canoe tripping since I was 16. I’m now 51. I have NEVER had a good night’s sleep in a tent. I think it’s time that changes. I’m not sure if this particular setup is for me, but I think I’m ready for a system.
That outer bag has almost fill-less patches all over it. Can see them with the orange colour. Those will leak heat all night. That would be less noticeable with an inner bag but it does look flawed.
You’re not the first person to call this out, but I really haven’t experienced this in reality. I’ve been using this bag since February and have camped in some cold, borderline conditions and haven’t noticed the other quilt having issues with the baffles and down fill. It is thin, which is why I think people are seeing through it. But it’s supposed to be a lighter outer, rated only to 50 degrees on its own.
You perfectly demonstrated my two biggest problems when sleeping. 1: I roll around too much and get lost and start panicking because I’m stuck in my bag 😅 and 2: my freaking pillow constantly falling off.
Haha never panicked again! We’ve all been there. And I absolutely hate when my pillow disappears!
attach shoelaces to your pillow and wrap them around your mattrass
Would insta-buy the quilt part if sold separately, not interested in buying the whole system as my current 20 degrees sleeping bag is already great.
I’d really like to just get the outer quilt system that cinches around the pad. That would be great.
That's the best part of the system. Pairing it with any existing bag is possible too for extra warmth. Not sure if you can buy just the one though. Ask Big Agnes?
I was thinking the same thing.
@@BackpackingTV They don't. Of course. Mistake I think. I'm sure if you had a warranty issue with just the outer bag, they wouldn't give you the whole thing...
Do you know if they sell just the outer bag? I would buy it if they do.
nice video, i was wondering if this can fit to a mummy sleeping pads or just a square
What was the 3rd part of the 3 in 1 ?
Any tips for sleeping comfortably on hot nights?
That looks so floozy & plush! Too rich for my blood, I'm dead jelly.
Thank you for sharing. One can clearly see through the “quilt” layer where the fill has shifted and left areas uninsulated. That has to affect the insulating value of those areas. Better fill control measures might be in order. Please comment on this issue.
I have not seen that to be the case. I haven't experienced cold spots or clumping or vacant baffles.
@@BackpackingTV Thanks for replying to this, I was curious about it, too
What watch are you wearing??
How does this compare to Zenbivy?
It'd be really helpful if you took 5 seconds of the video to show how big the bag is compared to the backpack. I'll try to find somewhere else, thanks.
I don't know if I'm up for that system. But, every time I see a Copper Spur in a video I weep for my loss. I miss my Copper Spur.
it's my favorite tent! I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm a bit torn between this setup and the Zenbivy Light Bed. Neither are cheap, but they both have some really impressive flexibility. I'm definitely a tosser/turner and side sleeper most of the time, which makes me wonder if the Zenbivy might be a slightly better choice for me (no mummy bag). If you ever try the Zenbivy Light Bed, I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again for the great videos!
I just got a Zenbivy light bed actually and I’ll be reviewing it soon! I’m excited to see how they match up myself!
@@BackpackingTV That's awesome! Really stoked to hear your thoughts!
This seems kinda like the Zen Bizy system, but more flexible sleeping pad use.
I was gonna say it’s like the Zen Bivy too
I can see the similarities for sure. I haven't used the Zen Bivy system yet.
Love my Zenbivy 10 degree sleep system.
@@benjamintrivett3675 I have the 25° one (the regular not the light) and it is a solid sleep system but their sleep pad is monstrously heavy.
@@richarddemas5262 My Zenbivy bag is paired with the Nemo Tensor large wide. It also pairs with the Big Agnes 25" pads.
I like that sweater Eric. Where did you get it?
Zenbivy is a good comparator
What do you do about cutting your toenails on long distance hikes?
How much does it weigh? I am in the market for a new sleeping bag and this seems like a perfect one
16 ounces for the inner bag, and 18 ounces for the outer quilt bag.
How many times can you say it’s ultralight and not say the weight? I don’t understand
Unfortunately mummy bags are too confining for me.
I must say that I would prefer the manufacturers use the same system that is used in civil engineering for isolation.
Then it is easy to compare. People would learn fast what these numbers mean and get educated.
Very interesting product. I've often wondered why manufacturers don't provide a cost-effectiveness comparison for sleep systems. For example, cost per item weight, or cost per comfort level, or better yet, cost per R-value (although I've never seen a sleeping bag rated by R-value (why not?)). This would help most consumers make a reasonable choice. For the Lost Ranger UL 3N1 sleeping bag, the cost per weight would be $16.18. This could be compared to other bags to make an informed purchase decision. The greater metric would be the warmth to cost ratio. Just a thought...
Thanks for another great video!
Interesting theory! The only thing I could see is that using a metric like that could be manipulated. Warmth ratings are already a bit of a can of worms to begin with.
@@BackpackingTV Agreed!
Just an FYI...BackpackingTV has become my favorite backpacking channel. Well done!
Super jealous of people that are shorter than me. ESPECIALLY when it comes to backpacking gear.
I always sleep like a baby... wake up every 20 minutes, screaming and drenched in my own piss.
haha, good point! Why do we use that phrase for notoriously poor sleepers?
I think BigAgnes stole the idea from ROCK FRONT All Season System UL.
I love your hoody… what brand is it? Regards from germany:)
Have you tried the Paria RECHARGE XL INSULATED SLEEPING PAD?
I have not! Should I?
@@BackpackingTV I haven't seen too many videos on it. 4" thick pad with a R value of 4.2 and its under 100usd. I dont think its an official r value rating, but curious how well itll fair in colder weather. I have the 4ft version of the pad, and I really enjoy it. They also seem to have other gear that doesn't break the bank as well.
You seem to value good sleeping pads, so I'm curious of what you think of their pads.
How well does it work with side sleepers?
I'm a side sleeper and I think it works out pretty nice. The internal bag can be a little narrow and thus, slight negative marks for side and stomach sleepers.
@@BackpackingTV Thank you. You do an excellent job in discussing almost all aspects of backpacking--exactly what "thinking about" and "newbies" need.
I’m scared to even look at the total price tag for the sleep system 😬
I priced the tent, bag, & pad out at $1,000, give or take a few $. This is a big commercial for Big Agnes products.☺
@@wuffos Very much a commercial lol. It looks hella good but man...650 just for the 3-in-1 system is brutal. There are other brands that have the pillow insert that are at least 200 less.
holy shit that's expensive!
Awesome bag but I couldn't bring my self to pay that much money for it
they should just sell the outer bag by itself
1st. Like it matters. I need to sleep well when I backpack at 61.
Sleeping well really matters any time after, oh, I'd say about 22 years old. :)
Tshirt over the top of the pad. Put pillow under shirt. Problem solved.
Not really following here. How is this as comfortable as a quilt when you're still stuffed inside the claustrophobic mummy bag?
Big Agnes, meh...🙄
I carry my King Size Sealy Posturepedic Palatial Crest mattress with my Canadian White Goose Down Quilt and Tempur pillow with me for all hiking trips, I get the best sleep.
Niiiiice!
Was thinking why those temps are so high and it hit me, it's american. Had to do conversions :p
2 lbs 6 oz... combined. Also at a price point of $570.00. This makes ZPacks quilts even more appealing. Don't get me wrong... this is for some, but for those of us riding the razors edge, this is like bringing the kitchen sink. Really awesome concept!
All Sold Out, 10 days later... Lol
I don't get the system.... you want a quilt to avoid being restrained by the mummy sleeping bag but as you showed in the video when you roll over you are entangled by the mummy
This product makes no sense to me. From what I understand, people who like quilts like them because A) quilts are lighter (no back insulation) and B) the constriction of a bag. This product is a quilt in addition to a bag so just as heavy if not heavier without the benefit of a lack of constriction. And, it’s a little pricey, btw.
To me this seems like an overpriced ZenBivy ripoff. I’m not sure how they aren’t in trouble for copying/infringement.🤷🏼♂️.
I have the ZenBivy system. It is very comfortable. I agree. Can be a quilt or a bag and a pad sheet.
Really interesting, but the video would have much more informative if you’d shown the bag on a table, instead of in the tent. For most of the video, the bag isn’t even in the frame.
This is just another variation of a sleeping bag. I don't see anything in this video that would address the common issues most people have actually sleeping in the backcountry.
Can we have Centigrade conversions in the future please? The US is one of the only countries still using Fahrenheit.
Looks like they copied some of Sierra designs cloud series
With all due respect, “gimmick”! $550’ish will get you any number of Western Mountaineering bags that are worth their weight in gold. (Or, Feathered Friends.)
No doubt. WM bags are worth every penny.
'Sleep like a baby' - you mean wake up multiple times in the night crying?
Too pricey - other bags offer more value for less.
Any in particular bags come to mind for better value? I think the versatility gives this bag a lot of value. In warm weather, you can split it up between two people and each person gets a bag. I literally did this with my girlfriend while camping in the desert when it was warm. The extra price is also for the UL properties. Can get the non-UL version if you want to save some money.
This video was sponsored by Big Agnes
This was definitely not sponsored.
@@BackpackingTV Oh I figured it was since everything was Big Agnes. My mistake.
BA pads suck which kind of renders the whole system useless. Those pads fail in short order consistently.
I can't say I agree with you. I have had good luck with getting quality pads/mattresses from BA. You can always pair this system with any pad or mattress though. Keep using the one you enjoy!
BackpackingTV thanks. I had faith in them in the beginning but after trying three different pads inside a clean tent and having them fail on the first trip I lost it. Good to know you’ve had better success.
I've also had good luck with two 20" BA pads. I just upgraded to a 25" BA pad and hope my luck holds out.