The Court is super protective of the State Witnesses, especially White. Adv Moshololo cross-examining was hard as the Court responded more than the witness. Similar behaviour was displayed during the Magistrate Cronje.
all the things the judge is saying are supposed to be answered by the state or the witness but No the judge is also acting as witness/prosecutor. There were so many things added to the record by the judge that changed the whole direction of the case e.g the judge said the GPS unlock at the hospital was due to the overhead pedestrian bridge...the expert never said that but the judge did and it became a thing, meanwhile the expert had clearly said the GPS started at the enterence of the hospital and it suggests that the car drove through the hospital....but that evidence was burried by the judge...but we listen and we remember. there are so many things the judge adds that are false his job is to listen not give answers...He also said the DNA was inconclusive when the expert said it clearly excludes the accused... hai....madoda. (all is alleged ).
The Judge tells the Adv Mshololo that 'she can do what she wants to do'. I rest my case the temper of the Judge should be examined. This Judge is loosing it by day!!! Ratha knows everything, he even knows what happened in the house as an eye witness.
It will be better to listen to her then answering her without finishing even a sentence I like that one ms Mshololo I hope ijaji lizwile lathula nya 🤜🤛
Men threatened by an intelligent woman. Trying to break her down at every corner, yoh!!!!!!!! Adv Mshololo you're doing a great job mama!!!!!In fact I love the anger u showed today. Let them know you didn't buy your qualifications and they shud respect u!!!!!
All the witnesses are giving the court wrong testimony ???? Because every testimony given by witnesses the defence is always against them , people must understand that the lawyers are the biggest liars bcs if you kill they say is not you, if you steal they will say is not you while their clients did commit crime.
Adv Mshololo continue with your studies we need such women in the constitutional court who are not captured like this biased judge who disrupts the defence
Gous is on point. People are just catching feelings and not minding the fact that you testify to the evidence you have and nothing more or less. Otherwise you can go ahead and just give your opinion on whatever you being questioned about.
@@hope22hope41do you honestly think Miss Mshololo was doing the right thing by displaying such attitude 🤔 what about the decorum of the court ? Did she honestly followed the protocol of the court??? Some people seem to forget the procedure of the court or they don’t follow at all and they put their emotions first As far as i watched the trials since day one, i don’t remember Judge Ratha or let me say, each & every time he put something across the advocates, he quotes from book ( law and cses)and he will say ITS A LAW NOT ME
Is it fair that the Gouws can't be asked about what Steyn testified when the same Gous is here to further Steyn's work? Must some of Steyn' s testimony therefore, go without being cross examined?
These defence lawyers are always grasping at straws when they cross question - I don't know where they got their training from, they stray from cross questioning based on the affidavit presented by the witness. Talk about prolonging the inevitable - waist our time.
Gouws is now STARMARING and his speech is SHAKING 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 This Ratha s new pair of spectacles ARE WORKING ON HIS MIND.. HE IS LOSING HIS temper every single second
And then after all this phones what what which all happens after 2014 then what,, does it talk about them killing Senzo,,,ahayi maan nxaa waist of time and money
If they choose to remain silent which is their right then it is fair...because the state won't know what their defense is until the trial starts n their versions are put to the witnesses
haibo the state (judge & baloyi) are gaslighting us to believe that Gouws came because Stein retired....Haibo, Stein retired after he was done testifying meaning his analysis/investigation was done prior to him appearing in court...so there was no need for Gouws to take over..They can call Stein from retirement to come clarify his work...mos they've called witnesses who are no longer with the SAPS ..... We see what you are doing Ratoyi
Mshololo today has scored more own goals than mr cooked mngomezulu how many times will mr Gouse will tell her that this telephone #was given to him to analyise by the investing team
Here goes the judge changing things again. XDS doesn't show activation date of a cell number but shows when credit was applied for Only the Cell company can give the activation date.
This one sure doesn't have a wife. I had a white boss who acted like him against women, only to find out he is gay. Maybe he was hurt by women hence such hatred.
These accused people are full of lies. When they first came to court they claimed to not know each other, that they never met before arrest for this case. Now no3 claims no4 is his best friend, they called each other regularly.
Shame on Mshololo. She took a whole day for nothing. She's like running the in a race and unaware that the race is finished long time. She's still arguing about the phone numbers while the state is already proved that the accused know each other. People's are clapping for her😂😂😂😂
So Lungisani Ndwande is his cousin??? What a coincident... Then how can his number reflect on... Mshololo's client is incriminating himself. He should have at least said "I don't even know the owner of this number". But when you say it's my cousin's number... it brings some skeptics.
And deny, gives Baloyi chance to bring home affairs family tree to prove their relationship? No he had to admit that the number is not his as gous and his team says it’s for accused 5. They are exposing their cooking
The is no so called Judge in that court 😢 , this man takes the position of prosecutor and being the witness on some occasions. He always being defensive for witnesses and State ,since the proceedings he NEVER side with the defense. Judge must be a neutral person in court and not taking sides.
Says the court will make judgment of Ndwandwe is telling the truth 🤦🏾🤔 how nice, can court make judgment if this colonel is telling the truth... mxm this judge is very incompetent😠
I took it as it is "Case law is law that is based on judicial decisions rather than law based on constitutions, statutes, or regulations." I see this judge based everything on the case law😅
Ratha has a complex .him tries to justify issues that needs no justification also asking the court if he is mad.... he uses the words common sense to demean the Defence Mushololo in particular is uncalled for .he preempt s the witness s respons all the time.Accused raised his hand the Counsel respons he challenges that indirectly. He unnecessarily interfers .yet keeping Quite like Sibanda cld be golden.
"i listen, when I'm in court" Listening is not equal comprehension. One can listen to people speak but completely miss the point which has been evident multiple times . The listening is partial. With all due respect.
The state wants the court to draw an inference that the accused knew each other at the time of the offense. The evidence is irrelevant and since u do not know how the court might take it. U have to xmine it and put that to the witnesses that it is irrelevant and does not help the court in anything since communication between two ppl or more without context does not amount to crime.
205's have terms and conditions, 💯,so if you doing anything THROUGH 205 YOU STILL FOLLOW THE terms And conditions 😂😂Why didn't the defence question that😂guess they got bluffed with the change of words, Mshololo is slow in picking up things
Judge you are so corrupt , baloyi , Ratha I wonder how much did you collected from chicco one day one of you will go down , judge he’s scared of George baloyi I’m so embarrassed to call SA as my country
I'm worried about the world is watching and yet we are busy in world court about Israel and Gaza bt Ratha bahlaza umthetho walapha yhoooo it's painful serious.
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The Court is super protective of the State Witnesses, especially White. Adv Moshololo cross-examining was hard as the Court responded more than the witness. Similar behaviour was displayed during the Magistrate Cronje.
So?
Mshololo is overrated and lacks respect
@@chrismwale1315 lol the accused suddenly moved from not knowing each other to somehow and some extend knowing each other 🤣🤣mzanzi still doubting 😶
all the things the judge is saying are supposed to be answered by the state or the witness but No the judge is also acting as witness/prosecutor. There were so many things added to the record by the judge that changed the whole direction of the case e.g the judge said the GPS unlock at the hospital was due to the overhead pedestrian bridge...the expert never said that but the judge did and it became a thing, meanwhile the expert had clearly said the GPS started at the enterence of the hospital and it suggests that the car drove through the hospital....but that evidence was burried by the judge...but we listen and we remember. there are so many things the judge adds that are false his job is to listen not give answers...He also said the DNA was inconclusive when the expert said it clearly excludes the accused... hai....madoda. (all is alleged ).
How can I like this comment a thousand times... plain truth
The Judge tells the Adv Mshololo that 'she can do what she wants to do'. I rest my case the temper of the Judge should be examined. This Judge is loosing it by day!!!
Ratha knows everything, he even knows what happened in the house as an eye witness.
Lol you will be prosecuted watch your back
This not a Judge .....this is a Demon in a human form😔
@@mimienuba9789😂😂😂😂
They all can't answer questions,no pockets book waist of time.
Mshololo was fuming after calling the judge into order " it will be better to listen"
It will be better to listen to her then answering her without finishing even a sentence I like that one ms Mshololo I hope ijaji lizwile lathula nya 🤜🤛
He also got the massage 😂😂
Lathula Nyaaaa... I dlozi el'philayo
Ifikile kumnikazi😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂@@manenikalydia7888
Men threatened by an intelligent woman. Trying to break her down at every corner, yoh!!!!!!!! Adv Mshololo you're doing a great job mama!!!!!In fact I love the anger u showed today. Let them know you didn't buy your qualifications and they shud respect u!!!!!
I salute her she's brilliant
Mshololo's arrogant tone is sickening
Mshololo isnt realy doing a great job. Her line of question is below par. She also struggles to interpretes certain laws
Judge scoring own goals by talking too much
This old man Ratha is taking the nation fir grunted very soon we will deal with him after elections we can stand such crap in front of ours eyes
How
?
😂You people like being too dramatic how are you going to do that...?
Judge crook😅
Chicco twala has made the nation fools with the help of NPA and Gininda.
What did Chicco do?
@@menzisikhakhane2714he created all this dom kop
Mshololo has ran out objective questions. This height of stupidity
Great job mbokodo the justice is shaken by your crossing examining
"it will be betterr to listen" I think Mshololo was directing those words to the court allegedly 🤣
Nje
Ratha is arrogant finish and klaar,how can you say you can do what ever you want to Mshololo
I would love to be like ratha so educated and listens to everything in the case but always gets it all so wrong
His problem is, he listen to defend not to understand so he can make a judgement 😞
I think he has already made judgment hence the behaviour
He changes the narrative just to protect the state and suit the cooked up version
U judge Ratha really made it clear on this day that he despites Mshololo.... The girl is fierce 😊 We need more women like you my Queen 🎉
Ratha keeps on interrupting advocate Msholo, how is she supposed to cross examine the witness.Gosh
All the witnesses are giving the court wrong testimony ????
Because every testimony given by witnesses the defence is always against them , people must understand that the lawyers are the biggest liars bcs if you kill they say is not you, if you steal they will say is not you while their clients did commit crime.
This nonsense of addressing these people as "my lord" makes them big-headed.
Serious yooo thats what made me drop this nonsonso during my internship, i just couldnt stand it my lord wamasimba
My lord for what!!!!!
My Lord ny foot yerrr
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@mlindos1654
It's 2024, this practice must be abolished
A whole judge. Showing Bias behavior.
Advocate Mshololo is mopping the floor with Mr Gouws.
Azikhale lady Mshololo👏👏👏
Really lol
How so?
Adv Mshololo continue with your studies we need such women in the constitutional court who are not captured like this biased judge who disrupts the defence
Judge fingers is actually threatened by mshololo, man is caught between being judge,prosecutor and witness representative
What happened to true caller...😂
Boring case🤦 worse part in High court 🚶🚶🚶🚶as if it's a theft case of lollipop😤😤
This is nonsense, too be honest. They are just waist our money for nothing,
As DJ Anunnaki from Khayelitsha Cape Town... I'm impressed how the defence does their job
That is sooooo brave of DEFENSE..... ADVO Msho in particular
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Gous is on point. People are just catching feelings and not minding the fact that you testify to the evidence you have and nothing more or less. Otherwise you can go ahead and just give your opinion on whatever you being questioned about.
You're watching a different case maybe
Advo Mshololo sometimes want to be on spotlight by asking useless things .
Mina bona wena useless lana
Your comment is useless
Ratha you are old now ,admit that Mshololo is a new mind like or not she is brilliant
😂😂 of course yes
MSHOLOLO IS GATVOL WITH THIS WITNESS N JUDGE
i like how mshololo answers the judge through shouting at gouws she did that few times today
Actually she was telling the judge to listen before answering. She serves her right
@@christinamoila5644And it was this judge that answered first,mind u the question was not even going to him
Why would he say* everybody does what they like in the court* when Mshololo.wantrd to approach the accused
@@hope22hope41do you honestly think Miss Mshololo was doing the right thing by displaying such attitude 🤔 what about the decorum of the court ?
Did she honestly followed the protocol of the court???
Some people seem to forget the procedure of the court or they don’t follow at all and they put their emotions first
As far as i watched the trials since day one, i don’t remember Judge Ratha or let me say, each & every time he put something across the advocates, he quotes from book ( law and cses)and he will say ITS A LAW NOT ME
Mshololo Mshololo waiting a lot time
Is it fair that the Gouws can't be asked about what Steyn testified when the same Gous is here to further Steyn's work? Must some of Steyn' s testimony therefore, go without being cross examined?
I hear numbers from 2012 yet Baloi said they dnt hv 205 from 2014 cz the network provider system clears data after 3 years, I stand to be corrected
Yes
You can say that again 😂 this is joke
Cellphones were found during the trial?😮😮😮according to Mr Gouws at 4:13
These defence lawyers are always grasping at straws when they cross question - I don't know where they got their training from, they stray from cross questioning based on the affidavit presented by the witness. Talk about prolonging the inevitable - waist our time.
K
At least they know it's cross-examining not this foreign thing you've jotted here.Makes one wonder where you got your training
Yhooo Chicco really ...ulala njani ebusuku knowing exactly what happened to Senzo
Adv. Mshololo stood on business today!!!!!!
Thatha Mshololololo.... 🎉😂❤ 💞
Gouws is now STARMARING and his speech is SHAKING 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 This Ratha s new pair of spectacles ARE WORKING ON HIS MIND.. HE IS LOSING HIS temper every single second
Colonel feels the heat😂😂😂😂😂 and judge too, they helping each other. And their friend moloi is quiet😂
Despite the unfortunate approach towards Adv Mshololo, am i the only one who enjoys the chemistry between the Judge and Adv Mnisi? @2:29:27
Yeah you're the only one
@@phakamasihiya8697 hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
English is a tricky language for Adv Mshololo at times.
And then after all this phones what what which all happens after 2014 then what,, does it talk about them killing Senzo,,,ahayi maan nxaa waist of time and money
why is Gouws here if he cannot comment on what Stein did...so they must just call Stein
Exactly
Is it fair for the state to investigate the accused based on their version before court.. how is it fair....
If they choose to remain silent which is their right then it is fair...because the state won't know what their defense is until the trial starts n their versions are put to the witnesses
Why does Ratha not read cases where the court refused the prosecution to admit evidence while the case is on
haibo the state (judge & baloyi) are gaslighting us to believe that Gouws came because Stein retired....Haibo, Stein retired after he was done testifying meaning his analysis/investigation was done prior to him appearing in court...so there was no need for Gouws to take over..They can call Stein from retirement to come clarify his work...mos they've called witnesses who are no longer with the SAPS ..... We see what you are doing Ratoyi
Mshololo today has scored more own goals than mr cooked mngomezulu how many times will mr Gouse will tell her that this telephone #was given to him to analyise by the investing team
47:14 judge is giving evidence blocking defence from cross examination
I feel sorry for the 5gus and Meyiwa's family it's waist of time.poeple there were in the house eye witness and there cleaner.
Here goes the judge changing things again. XDS doesn't show activation date of a cell number but shows when credit was applied for
Only the Cell company can give the activation date.
i wonder how the judge treat his own wife or girl child at home, because the way he interact/response to adv moshololo
This one sure doesn't have a wife. I had a white boss who acted like him against women, only to find out he is gay. Maybe he was hurt by women hence such hatred.
Ngiyayisaba i look ka accused #5
Wake wakuphosa imvubu yini ngoba umsaba kanga?
Loool mina ngisaba u accused number 3 namehlo akhe amakhulu agijimayo angahlaliseki
Yeah Adv Mshololo you are correct my girl to say " it will be better to listen "
54:19 judge leading the witness
These accused people are full of lies. When they first came to court they claimed to not know each other, that they never met before arrest for this case. Now no3 claims no4 is his best friend, they called each other regularly.
A lot of lies from this 5 accused muzi said he left vooslsvorus 2013 when he lost his job he was lying
This judge is paid
Exactly
A lot of money
JUDGE JUST SITTING THERE KNOWING EVERYTHING ACTING LIKE HE DOSENT KNOW ANYTHING
He must just give Judgement
I sometimes think he is confusing the enemy he is scared to die prior his verdict
ULungisani akayocasha,zizomthungatha zimyise kwagoqanyawo lezinswelaboya!!!!
uyazi uqinisile hayi ngababulali laba.umngani kanTazi ushonile laye
@@elismpofu1803zimbulele lezinja nx
When is this trial going to end?
Pls ask that again
Adv Mshololo likes to be a drama Queen,Gous can't testify on hearsay but she wants him to comment on what Steyn has said😂
But Gouws said he built his evidence from steyn's so he should be asked about what steyn said
Rubbish
Wants to be on top
He is here to further Steyn,s work so let him answer
He is here because he took over from Steyn. He must answer our drama queen
Shame on Mshololo. She took a whole day for nothing. She's like running the in a race and unaware that the race is finished long time. She's still arguing about the phone numbers while the state is already proved that the accused know each other. People's are clapping for her😂😂😂😂
Those who know each other have admitted and those who only met during the trial are denying having known each other at the time of the incident
So Lungisani Ndwande is his cousin??? What a coincident... Then how can his number reflect on... Mshololo's client is incriminating himself. He should have at least said "I don't even know the owner of this number". But when you say it's my cousin's number... it brings some skeptics.
What a coincidence indeed. And when they deny all the other numbers, they know all those who owns them😂😂😂
@@nemakonderabelani1288 🤣🤣🤣
You sound confused
That is what reasonable doubt means. The state should prove that the number is not for the cousin but the accused
And deny, gives Baloyi chance to bring home affairs family tree to prove their relationship? No he had to admit that the number is not his as gous and his team says it’s for accused 5. They are exposing their cooking
I respect you advocate mshololo you stand your ground
The is no so called Judge in that court 😢 , this man takes the position of prosecutor and being the witness on some occasions. He always being defensive for witnesses and State ,since the proceedings he NEVER side with the defense.
Judge must be a neutral person in court and not taking sides.
Prof Gouws
Ratha is working overtime for the state , somewhere he will drop the ball
Says the court will make judgment of Ndwandwe is telling the truth 🤦🏾🤔 how nice, can court make judgment if this colonel is telling the truth... mxm this judge is very incompetent😠
Why baloyi and the judge keep on defending the state witness?this is nonsense
It's more than nonsense anyway 🤞
Look now this nkabis uses their mothers # who is no more
Ratha can You shut up for a Moment.. You can't be a Judge and prosecutor at the same tike🫨
Ratha is a jack of all trades
With such boring long thin fingers.. his body language and gesture
The hostility of the presiding officer
I feel sorry for this poor man in the hands of Advocate Mshololo shame she will not back down before she gets what she wants😊
What is Mshololo talking about when she says bulletin?😂😂
Are those glasses for decoration? Phela matsha kodwa uyawakhupha when reading 🤔
They belonged to his late granny... She had a style else!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Iam lost kanti lezinumber zibuyaphi ngoba zonke bayaziphika
Ask Gininda and his crew
Thi judge act like state witness. He is talking fir witness
Ratha s fingers, body language abd remarks are IRRITATING BIG TIME! He is working on my nerves
The judge
This judge is shame to our justice
Aw Mshololo💃💃💃💃
3:11:18 judge giving evidence "must be so" ??
To assist the defense, you call him a Lieutenant colonel when you are reading but when you address him as a person you just call him " colonel"
I took it as it is "Case law is law that is based on judicial decisions rather than law based on constitutions, statutes, or regulations." I see this judge based everything on the case law😅
Ratha has a complex .him tries to justify issues that needs no justification also asking the court if he is mad.... he uses the words common sense to demean the Defence Mushololo in particular is uncalled for .he preempt s the witness s respons all the time.Accused raised his hand the Counsel respons he challenges that indirectly. He unnecessarily interfers .yet keeping Quite like Sibanda cld be golden.
"i listen, when I'm in court" Listening is not equal comprehension. One can listen to people speak but completely miss the point which has been evident multiple times . The listening is partial. With all due respect.
The dates they are talking about...ALL OF THEM ARE AFTER THE INCIDENT OF OCTOBER 2014.... how is that info helping us in dis MATTER....
The state wants the court to draw an inference that the accused knew each other at the time of the offense. The evidence is irrelevant and since u do not know how the court might take it. U have to xmine it and put that to the witnesses that it is irrelevant and does not help the court in anything since communication between two ppl or more without context does not amount to crime.
205's have terms and conditions, 💯,so if you doing anything THROUGH 205 YOU STILL FOLLOW THE terms And conditions 😂😂Why didn't the defence question that😂guess they got bluffed with the change of words, Mshololo is slow in picking up things
Baloyi, baloyi, you are a prosecuter
Great Judge
Judge you are so corrupt , baloyi , Ratha I wonder how much did you collected from chicco one day one of you will go down , judge he’s scared of George baloyi I’m so embarrassed to call SA as my country
I think the forensic bag with cellphones has already been tempered with Steyn when it was handed to cous
Gous could have used the photos that stein took of the exhibit bag and then said on his affidavit that he has photos of the bag closed 🙄
Yes the photos may be there but the fact is what Steyn said he worked on the evidence and he was not going to work on closed evidence
Ay bandla
Bathathe Adv. Mshololo😂 this incompetent judge is angry at you because you giving them hard time
Daniel mshololo
Ratha is a crook
Unontombi never flinched today ,didnt allow these crooked bullies to walk all over her!!!
who is mayiko
I'm worried about the world is watching and yet we are busy in world court about Israel and Gaza bt Ratha bahlaza umthetho walapha yhoooo it's painful serious.