Controversial Calls at Formula Drift St. Louis
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- There was quite a bit of "drama" this weekend at Formula Drift St. Louis. From last minute K-rails that the track put in to protect their grass (that notoriously make cars flip) ... to questionable calls from the judges.
It wasn't only our team, but there was lots of talk throughout the paddock by the end of the weekend feeling confused and frustrated with calls that were made. At the end of the day? This is a judged sport, and I can not stress this enough: I sympathize with the judges and we all know their job is far from easy. I also love Matt, he's a great dude, a friends of mine, and a phenomenal driver.
But that doesn't change the fact that it's a tough pill to swallow for any team when we have a hard time understanding a loss.
What do you guys think? Was I robbed of the win? Let us know in the comments.
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I love how the track walk at the beginning perfectly foreshadows Adam Lz's crash
And Allen Boss in Prospec
I feel like watching the live stream and Adam’s video, there was a lot of foreshadowing. Crazy to watch it all knowing what happens later
@@IamDylin my dude allen did it first! lol and went back out and let it eat
@@Squiggly.Noodle yeah he did! 😅
@@Squiggly.Noodlekelsey did it first lap of the weekend and she foreshadowed it during the track walk as well lol
Unrelated/Related : FD has to make sure the judges can’t hear the commentators while judging is going on. The commentators go off on wild tangents and theories IMMEDIATELY without all the cameras and knowledge to fill dead air and studies have proven that even if you’re aware of a potential bias, hearing people say a thing as true influences your own opinion of a matter. The judges need to be isolated from their dumb ramblings until a decision is made.
Commentators are bad in FD, I watch Drift Masters and its 1000% better. FD commentating is getting very annoying, one sounds like there a frog stuck in his throat, and the other is a shout out whore.
i agree i got to sit in the judges booth at atlanta and the judges sat directly beneath the commentators
@max_coast if I'm not mistaken at STL the judges are in a different booth as FD uses the NASCAR media tower for coms, judging, and spotters. I agree with you 100% however certain tracks it's nearly impossible to have judges completely separated from coms with out just putting them in a trailer only viewing cameras.
I can take a few judging mistakes, but I can't listen to Jarod anymore. It's like he's watching an entirely different event and trying to hit a high word count all at the same time.
He’s more worried about telling how he’s friends with drivers families than what is actually going on.
I forsee st louis being dropped. This is extremly dangerous and possibly career ending stuff here. To protect grass? I guess Grass>humans.
So true.. i think it's ridiculous to make those barriers after the Date and track layout was talked about way before..
they knew when FD will be there, and Just because indicar needs beautiful Grass they screwed another Long year Happening series.. what a Bad Joke..
Not to mention the fan turnout appears to be low. There are so many better places they can and should go.
@@JTube571 As a local to STL, my friends and I have stopped going after the layout changed. The original layout was the bee-fuckin-knees. This new one has STUNK and is progressively getting worse. Its also hot as balls on top of the unbearable humidity we have during this time of year. So its just not worth it to pay to watch when you can watch it from the comfort of your air conditioned home.
The race to line up is hilarious
It is always ridiculous!
Hi watched it live and now the replay, i think: you make 2 mistakes on the lead 1) OZ1 wall hit makes the car upset a little 2) OZ4 your line is not smooth, your starting deep than going inside and again going out which makes very hard to chase . Matt's lead is very clean. If you compare the chases they are very similar, I can say you had more opportunities to increase proximity. My decision will be %60 win for Matt, could be OMT maybe. It's my opinion of course, I hope it helps.
I wrote a pretty detailed comment under his spotter Nate Hamilton's video and this is what it comes down for me as well. Lead to lead Matt takes the win and chase to chase it's equal because Matt's mistakes can be brought back to Chris' mistakes in the lead.
@@driftingmajix also Fors left oz4 after like 1/3rd and that cut into Field's line making him impossible to actually follow someone who isnt in the correct line leading to Field straighten. That plus Fors wall tap and not as deep in oz3 in comparison to Field plus his chase was further away basically whole way. I can't see how this was any controversial call.
Honestly should have went OMT.. or too Forsberg yeah Matt had a smoother lead but during Matt’s chase on OZ4 Matt’s clearly almost straightened and hit the throttle to go back into drift completely at the very end and Forsberg had a better chase..
@@anthonyzazueta2870 I still think that Matt had to react to Chris weird trajectory coming into 4 and leaving it again because he angled up was too much
@@driftingmajix Matt was reacting to Chris leaving the zone before the access road. that was a mistake from Matt caused by Chris in lead. so the deduction goes to Chris, not Matt
I think it's time to take this show on the road....and that road is Europe...and that road is Drift Masters.
Lead wise, Matt was deeper in OZ3 and 4. You were equal in OZ1 but you hit the wall and it effected line. Depth wise, you were equal in OZ2. Except Matt was fluid entering and you didnt fire off until you were two car lengths into OZ2. Matt could of held better proximity the rest od thw run if he was choked up. IMO, Matt won all the OZs in the lead. So his one mistake was OZ4 in the chase. Lead vs lead, chase vs chase. Good leads make for good chases.
Was sick to meet you at the end of comp! Car was looking good all day good stuff
Thanks man!
I hope fd puts out a video on the calls to help explain it
Same.
without putting the full battle in the video its hard to make an argument in either direction
4:38 reminds me of the pedal scene Jeremy Clarkson did in the Farmkhana episode. 😂😂
Tapdancing!
They overlooked his mistake at the end of his chase, but his lead was smoother. It was close, but I dont know that Id call it robbed. Get em next time dude. You're an awesome driver!
Yeah, we are just trying to understand everything better. There were several questionable calls that left many drivers unhappy. Not just mine.
Man Adam starting with “I love walls” happy to see Nate out there with you the whole season
Question here... Adam mentioned how almost every driver was not a fan of the k rails. If ALL FD and Prospec drivers were to protest from running the track then felt was unsafe for such an action by the track, what would FD do?
Chris got to watch me flip on Al rail at kern raceway this year😂
That was a bummer!
Genuine question. Do the judges prefer proximity or comparable angle? Cause I know what they say but is it different in driver meeting?
FD said in a video recently the answer, which i was typing and mid typing my adhd brain fucking forgot :(
Time to drop St Louis and find another track
Mat's run is nice and smooth, also last zone you almost stopped while sitting half of the zone on the handbreak, hence Mat had to slam into you. Also Zone 1, that kiss the wall was too much, you had to adjust your car and I think that was biggest mistake.
Matt wins lead by Lead 100%
And maybe your chase was better but hitting the wall in 1st zone actualy made matt look like he was the one that went too deep, but looking at replay you bounced off the wall and changed your line. And similar situation on last zone, in the middle your line completely changes making matt look really bad. I was there watching it in person and i thought matt had a terrible chase but i see now why it looked so bad. So i guess judges went with you throwing him off in two zones at least in the last zone
Thanks!
This is one of those rare instances where I agree with the judges on a controversial call.
Chris did hit OZ1 after initiation. He also entered OZ4 shallow then actually came out of the zone towards its middle section and got back into the zone in the last part of OZ4 but was still barely in it. In my opinion, this caused Field to bobble in the chase as you can see Field enter OZ4 on a near perfect line but had to correct to take a shallow line to chase Chris which made him bobble.
Field also did have a much better Lead. So I think I agree with the judges in that battle but great showing for both drivers.
Appreciate your breakdown.
Fair call by the judges... CF is missing the fact that he had a bobble in OZ4 that's why MF had to check up which ruined his momentum and made him run shallow. Very typical for CF mistake, if you watch other cars in OZ4 they way less of a delay between slow down and acceleration. idk why Chris sleeps on the gas, may because he dropped wheels in practice and was trying not run wide. Other drivers expect him to step on it after slowing down, but Chris coasts for second.
In terms of lead, Chris hit the wall and cut the line after that, a big no no, judges said they don't want to see that in the driver's meeting. Spotter should have cleared that call, and inform the driver. Anyhow, just an opinion.
Ya you got burned on that round, looked like you had it to me. Track worried about the grass wtf , lol concrete barriers ?
@@mitchelljohnson9548 no one seem to be bother abt the walls on Longbitch or OSW they just drive better because of high risk makes them be more consistent because their sponsors pocket be getting emptied quicker than they bring in audience
30k a year on repairing the grass is what FD payed last year for ruining the grass at the tracks, i think spending 30k on grass is outrages, since when is something that grows on the ground worth 30gs anyone can do it, maybe do some research before flapping ur gums about FD
@@colemckinnon4814he wasn’t he said the track not fd u dumb fuck tard
You 100% had that win matt went straight in oz 4 super obvious but overlooked like usual with him
I don’t drift but enjoy watching, to me the judging from one event to the next seems to be very inconsistent,based on opinion rather than ticking the boxes and bs excuses for bad judgement.
Trust me, nobody knows what the judges are looking for, including the judges. What makes it even worse is the announcinh.. When i watch DMC, the judges explain it to the drivers, are very consistent in their calls, and the announcing is top tier in all of sports. When is a fair playing field, doesn't matter who the driver is, and the excitement, it just makes FD seem like a dinosaur. It's almost depressing when you spot differences. I say overhaul all of FD, make it new again and exciting to watch
People complained on adams calls on drift masters too. Cant make people happy. Also judges do make bad calls over there. The qualifying for example is trash. Theyll give people very high points if they completely miss the line but they have style.
@@angelwalker. as someone who has watched dmec longer than FD I literally said before Adam even competed in dmec that there will be a call that his fans completely disagree with and it literally happened in his second round of dmec. At what point do the fans admit that they might actually not know as much as they think they do about competitive drifting..
I’m gonna correct you on this. Kevin O’Connell explains the calls thoroughly. Vernon explains the calls like the same shit he does in FD
Definitely thought your battle with Matt should at least have been a omt…
I think a OMT would have been fair.
You kind of explain it yourself, the wall tap at outside zone 1, And outside zone 4 definitely was not clean as you exited the zone 2/3 of the way through on a very weird line, he was deeper in the chase on oz4 and had to shallow up to try and keep proximity which was caused by your lead line.
His lead was a lot cleaner and fluid as well as deeper in all of the zones too
Watched FD for about 2 years, stopped because of the judging. Until former retired Pro drivers are marking the score cards, its going to be bad. It's something you have to have done at the highest level to judge at the highest level.
Robbed for sure! Watching live I was flabbergasted by that decision…makes no sense
Don’t worry. I was yelling at the tv over some of the calls. I feel like they want a few people to win the championship
It has been an issue with FD for a few years where judges make call's that are hard to understand, both from a viewer standpoint and as we hear from a driver standpoint. I would love to see a call back from what Matt did wrong, but what I saw was the wall hit in OZ 1 was kinda hard and pushed the car out of the zone and made the transition to OZ 2 a bit off.
I really DO NOT get why a track values grass safety over driver safety, If they had the flat barriers like long beach I don't think we would see as much of an issue as the jersey barriers with a ramp. Not only that, but I also think the perpendicular wall at OZ 2 should have been reworked a bit and the last bit of OZ 4 made the end of the battle so awkward, the turn narrows so bad it feels like cars can't fit and didn't look like anyone had a real good way of making it look good. I'm not sure FD should come back after seeing some of this stuff.
I dont see the issue here. Watching the leads you had a few mistakes. Field ran a solid clean line in his lead. Both of you had about the same chase. It was the wall tap that disrupted the car and the last zone where you left the zone and got back at the end.
Thanks for your input. We are looking to hear your honest opinions.
Well we all saw the results of those k-rails with Adam. Up and almost over. FD needs to have an actual ex driver design the courses, not a freshman. FD seems to be very inconsiderate of the drivers opinions and views, despite the fact that without them, there would be nothing. It's a shame. A unified driver's protest is a good idea, it may wake up the necessary personalities a little. Unfortunately money and sponsors seem to be pushing things in their own direction, instead of being a family.
I watch FD from time to time but I just cannot be a true fan or fully get behind it because the judging has always been very inconsistent. FD has been going on for multiple decades and the rules are still ever changing. The fact that they have not invested into in-car camera's is weird to me. The light strips on the windshields are 100% useless, laggy, delayed. They need to invest in in-car camera's. One watching the driver / steerings and once watching the pedal box. Would give you a sure fire answer to 9 out of the 10 questions they have instead of guessing from aerial views.
your lead was deff not better than his and your chase was fine but you didnt give him proper line since oz1 even tho he screwit at the end it was your fault for disrupting line early you can say whatever but overall a think its your fault for leaving it their hands dont want sketchy calls? drive better polish your skills do something else than talking about it and the stats dont lie field has rolled you multiple times before or get a gtr driftcar for once
Pretty sure Matt gives the judges a handy before every event. Man is reckless, sloppy and inconsistent and somehow still gets the wins. Doesn't add up
Sure looked like you won watching it live. Matt's huge bobble in 4 to me was the difference. Leads were comperable, and your chase could have been more aggressive yes but no "major" errors. Again like Atlanta he all but straightened and was still awarded a win.
And i love your driving. No games no bullshit you know
Something with FD and Matt Field is not right. Needs to be looked into.
Field missed zone 2, 3 and a mistake at 4. Chris got into all those zones.
And field was noseing in alot more.
Lead gets the glory but the chase tells the story. Nahh im sayn ..sayn main
Hahaha
You did better in the chase, but Field did better in the lead. Both lead and chase scores, you may have a little less, or OMT. I think the leader's score matters more than the chase. This is just my opinion, I may be wrong.
his lead was better. it was close but i wouldn't say it was clearly in your favor, or that you got robbed. good runs though, looking fast
how about change these judges with DOSS system like D1 Japan?
yea, you got robbed. A couple people got robbed that weekend with iffy calls that were not explained.
Matt's lead was a lot cleaner and they seemed to reward leads a lot more now. Obviously there was the OZ1 wall that kind of threw off your line and pushed you away from matt. I think the spot that gave matt the win was OZ4. You entered well, but ended up leaving the zone late and then the handbrake pull at the end probably also deducted some points, especially since it caused matt to angle up more.
St. Louis needs to go.
Naw
@@Xmoto16 It's a terrible event. The old layout was good but now it keeps getting worse. Now the track is being terrible to work with and made this most recent event an absolute shit show.
@@ireeeebz I guess 🤷♂️. You been to long Beach? What tracks are the best?
Yup, St. Louis is the only event I was able to go to last year and this year and I didn’t go because the track flow sucks.
Agreed. The track organization gives 0 poos about FD and totally compromises the layout to protect the "main" one for Indycar, and they use dangerous walls that make cars flip having been warned by everyone.
Thoughts on Hiro's constant sandbaging on entry on his leads chris?
I have not really had the opportunity to run with him very often, but his car did seem a little off-pace during our practice lap.
@@chrisforsbergracing noticed it at a few events. Seems fine chasing. So just wasn't sure if it was an inexperience thing or a genuine tactic.
I dunno. I dont enjoy watching the chase car being sloppy and falling up back then surging then losing drift over the line.
Those were my thoughts... I know it was a messy pair of laps, but that seemed a bit much.
Chris was out here playing red light green light in the lead
How you mean?
When the hens fly at the same altitude as the eagles, then you too will make a proper lead and a chase without excuses.
Ever since sports betting got involved, calls got greasy.
Dude it was bad!!!!!! It was a Formula DERRRRP weekend
For years everyone has been saying the judging in formula drift has been too inconsistent. Alot of drivers backed them but I'm glad your starting to stop drinking from the kool-aid and start calling them out. I love fd and try to support the drivers by buying merch and shit but my god the people in charge need to sit back evaluate themselves
All the FD drivers i watch have said someone is going to get fucked by that wall and look what happened with Adam. Everyone called it.. could have been alot worse
You’ve been on the winning side of a lot of questionable calls as well.
Shit happens
In my opinion, you was closer in the chase and matt made a huge error in the chase, but you did clip the wall in zone 1, so it should've been OMT but your chase was better and cleaner than matt, BUT it's no secret the judging in 2024 has been very inconsistent and as you said rewarding the bully style, touching doors is fine DMEC and D1GP they touch doors but it's done stylish and looks incredible, but FD this year rewards bullying and in your words "sloppy"
Also side note! JERSEY BARRIERS NEED TO GO! there's a reason a lot of motorsports are changing from them, because they're dangerous, luckily LZ had experience to know to turn into the accident but a new driver probably wouldn't and end up doing more damage, they need to go!
Thanks for your input!
@chrisforsbergracing your welcome mate hope next round you come out swinging 😎
It would be best if they put barriers on the grass and left a foot or 2 for error
Been complaining to FD for a long time that the judges have hardons for certain drivers one of which is Field for whatever reason. Just look at this season alone how many battles he has lost but still got the wins.
calls where fine by them, you just did a lil to much in the wall tap department in oz1 and came out early which then made a lazy/late transition to oz2 which then lead to mid line in oz3 and then the tire coming out of oz4 sealed it. matt couldn't have a good chase due to all that lol matts lead was clean and was deep in the zones. matt wins in my eyes
At best for you, it was a OMT lol
All good man, appreciate your input!
The fact they worry about y’all ripping up some grass and not about putting people life at risk and destroying 100k cars is crazy
Jared is worse then the judging and the judging is bad
You definitely should have go the win his chase was sloppy and you had a solid lead besides the boop on oz1 it was chaseable
If your irish and/or driving a mustang the judges will never fault you for anything and all your runs are perfect. Otherwise everybody else loses a whole battle just for losing 1 degree of angle at any point or goin 1 mph slower than the judges like.
Its said year after year and it becomes more evident that the judges need replaced with former drivers or ditch them all together and have sensors everywhere
That's rich coming from a forsberg fan..
Why isn't nate in fd?
They're always giving Field a massive buffer for errors I really don't understand it.
For 2 whole seasons now I see them swing things in his favor at a minimum once a round and it’s frustrating. The amount of times I’ve seen him hit others is ridiculous. He gets away with murder and they seem to keep trying to get him a title
2024 might be one of the least consistent years for FD judging. Which is saying something.
explain how this call was inconsistent
They should've ally least put the k rails into the grass. Giving a Lil bit more room
Yeah, not on the already narrow track...
That was your lead resulting in him not being as close in the chase. You smacked the wall and got a massive momentum boost into outer 2 and therefore for he left a gap in 2 and 3. Then outer 4 you nearly spun, barely hitting the zone with way to much angle which is impossible to chase super close when your that far off line. Sorry m8 but this one was fair
You lost defenitly that. no questions.
You know FD is fucked the OG him self is calling bullshit ! , it’s been happening to LZ a lot . FD are 🤡 . I only watch the drivers CZcams channels on FD rounds like you mate .
Omt if not you tbh
I really haven't been watching long enough to be able to judge for watching on line , BUT. It seems like you are shooting at a moving target. Some of these calls get FD major hate. Maybe they need to give you guys exactly what their looking for in writing and stop moving the finish line. At least for us listening/ watching I'm hearing to much about who is a championship contender and not who can win the round? I'm afraid that is part of the judging formula, not who is cleanest or fastest. Glad you came home with a whole car at least. Really dumb to use that type of wall construction, really careless of FD not taking care of Ya'll
Fd helping field not be neighbour with stuke on the leader board? Never!!!
Fd is going backwards😅😅 it sounds more and more like a grassroots event with big money behind it.....
I know were not supposed to comment things like this, but Matt Field is the most overrated driver. He essentially is guaranteed a win by the judges unless he messes up. Even the fans know it at this point, its become a joke.
i love you to death chris, but after your contact with the wall in oz1 it caused you to transition late into oz2. in my opinion lead for lead matts was a bit better which allowed him to get the win.
Thanks man, I appreciate the input. Want to know what people think, but honestly... it's more than just my lap. What are your thoughts on the overall calls in FD.
while i dont like fd judges, your battle wasn't controversial! the way they do lead vs lead is infuriating but its the way they judge.. so to be recognized you have to drive harder unfortunately :(
maybe its click bait but I don't understand why you said controversial calls. you hit the wall on matts lead and it fkd up the rest of your run. He had a very smooth and consistent lead and gave you all the opportunity to door him and the only corner you did so was oz4. def lost bruh.
It is not just about my lap, looking for your thoughts on the consistency in calls in general.
@chrisforsbergracing I think, in general, drivers need to understand what the judges want and hit those marks. At this level, there shouldn't be a debate on what you guys can and can't do. Some of you have been driving for 20+ years. The skill gap shouldn't be as big as it is. Back to the main topic. It sounds like you're saying that the judges are asking for one thing, and changing their thoughts a mid battle? If that's true. And it may very well be. Then drivers need to come together to make something happen about it. I will grant you that ALOT of drivers have been coming out with videos about how the judges are inconsistent. However, are drivers doing exactly as asked. I've seen teams go up to the box throughout the day just to check up on if they're driving the judges expect.
Why is FD still going to st Louis? No one likes st Louis. St Louis wishes they could leave st Louis.
Dude that’s the part that Adam doesn’t show him rushing to get the first practice is. I watched this live Matt did not win that not at all his chase was terrible and an almost spin at the end of anything omt like field is a the judges boy and it’s hard to beat the judges boy
watch it again and actually look at forsbergs rear wheel, it tells the entire story of oz4. Chris was already coming into oz4 with the barely any momentum (hence why he came up short) and then he modulated throttle and handbraked because he wanted to be deeper into the zone but he didn't have nearly enough momentum to actually push the car wide so all it did was stall Field up.
@@transient442 but that doesn’t matter the chase driver has to mimic the lead driver we saw this issue in road Atlanta a lot of the rule states the way it states Matt field should be at fault for a spin and trying to make up ground on Chris.
@@nickdoescher9957 This is not how that rule actually works. That only applies when the lead driver is following the expected criteria. If the lead car deviates from that and the chase car has a mistake that can be directly linked to the error of the lead car, Its always going to be blamed on the lead car. This is how the rules work. You can't just do what ever you want in lead and be like "hE wAs sUpPoSeD tO miMic mE bRo" This is a backwards understanding of that rule.
@@transient442 but he didn’t do whatever he wanted he was shallow in the zone sure but he didn’t stop drift or make a huge mistake causing an issue hence my original statement stands true field should have mimicked Chris and he didn’t he surged and almost caused a wreck and spun that’s on fields.
@@nickdoescher9957 Chris was not on throttle past the decel zone, he pulled handbrake past the decel zone, He lifted past the decel zone. What you need to understand about this level of drifting is micro errors like that will and do cause major issues for an unsuspecting chase car and when a car surges that quickly it's generally not a result of the car magically gaining a bunch of speed, its because the lead car slowed or failed to get back on throttle in an area where they were supposed to be carrying momentum. This is precisely why the judges are so hard on drivers for their momentum outside of decel zones.
I think you won.
Matt had a decent mistake in chase on last turn.
Your only decent mistake was the wall tap in 1.
Your chase was amazing through 4.
So I think you won.
Sorry bro.
At least it’s not as bad as what happened to Adam a few rounds ago.
Have you looked at the line Chris took at OZ4? He was in it at the beginning but he angled up way too much, got out of it and had to do a correction to get back into it towards the end. What Matt did was react to it because he expected Chris to have such a trajectory that fills the enitre zone and not only the first and the last bit
@@driftingmajix nope, I didn’t catch that.
That would explain the whole thing then.
@@heyletsplaythis I think a lot of people missed that small detail which could have had a big effect in the judges minds. Even his spotter Nate missed it
Thanks, man. I appreciate the input. I want to know what people think. What are your thoughts on the overall calls in FD?
@@chrisforsbergracing overall I think they do a good job. But it’s the toughest job there is in this sport.
So sometimes they get it wrong
But that’s where the ability To petition for a review was needed. They shouldn’t have gotten rid of that.
Smash Brothas lmao
It is just this simple ur judging and judges are shocking in fd a complete joke compared to drift masters fd Japan this year wit all the changes has been a shambles and it all comes back to the judging and judges
The fuck is happening to formula drift
What?