Casino Is not a style of Salsa, Casino is a style Of Son from Cuba
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2013
- Adrian and amanda warming up before practice to alexander abreu music.
Books and Scholar research to read and research for info: 1) "El Casino y La Salsa en Cuba" by Barbara Balbuena 2) "El Son No Se Fue de Cuba" by Adriana Arjuela Martinez, 3) recent works and studies by Yoel Marrero -- www.casinoparatodos.org/view/c... , and many others. 4) Ned Sublette "Cuba And Its Music"
"Cuban Style Salsa" is a name that foreigners outside of Cuba decided to put to try to define the dance, since they couldn't tell what it was. The Dance "Casino" has always been a style of Son (rooted in ealier dances such Danzon and contradance) • Video . Son itself has many styles, but the one that became the most popular in the past generations in Cuba was the one done in the "Casino Deportivos" recreation places in Cuba.
Great Casino dancing! But why do you call Casino a style of Son? To the best of my understanding, Casino was initially developed in the late 1950s as an update to Urban "Son" and Cha-Cha-Chá dancing. However, while it was reportedly derived from "Son Urbano", it was supposedly a newly updated version with new characteristics.
To me, calling it a style of "Son" implies that Casino was one of the traditional "Son" dancing styles that existed alongside the other "Son" dancing styles being used in Cuba. While I do have the book by Bárbara Balbuena as well as the book by Alicia Sardiñas & Alan Borges, I did not see where Casino was referred to as a pre-existing style of "Son" rather than a style that was derived from "Son" among other things. Any further explanation you could provide would be much appreciated.
Feels like I'm watching it without my glasses on
Yoel Marrero, Piottr Agassi, DC Casineros and metodo del cuadro del casino= ecstasy of the dance!!!!!
Fantastic!!!! Tradition, Elagance and Style!!!!
Yoel Marrero is boring.
mas que lindo fluido cubano y elegante!!
Lovely! Added to favourites!
fascinado!! congratulation!!! me alientan a seguir practicandolo!!
gracias!!! de qualquiera forma que podamos ayudar nos avisas!
Thank you for the video and I've enjoyed your comments and the history you share. I am going to check out those books you recommend...
pete swing thank you!! its our pleasure!!
Where do DC Casineros recommend books, if I may ask? I'm very interested. Thanks.
WOOOW ♥ Amazing guys!
Muchas gracias. Gracias gracias, Adrián.
Bonito video, bonita Cancion saludos
Ayyyy, Que Rico! Excelent my friends!
When I see this things I seem to be in Cuba!!!!
Buenisimoooo... me encanta verlos bailar...
Gracias!! Seguimos Casineando!!!
Mi pareja favorita de casino.
Se formó el BemBeeeeeeeé, ....... un saludo desde España.
Excelso
Whaaaaaaat? LOL. Casino is a cuban dance that comes from the necessity of dancing a new cuban music that appeared by 1940's as a result of fusion of cuban Son, mambo, guaracha, rumba, american jazz, cha cha cha. Casino shows a few figures from cuban son, however Casino salsa is an optimized dance and it shows different styles in different parts of the island " Cuba" this one is showing an eastern cuban style.
Thank you for explaining casino clearly. You know what you are talking about.The eastern style is not very popular in Cuba. It is virtually unknown world wide. Practically no one dances eastern style in completions in Cuba. But there are some supporters of the eastern style who mistakenly think that casino is only the eastern style. They blame every other style from every other region of cuba as fake.Unfortunately for them the eastern style is not very impressive on the dance floor compared to the other styles and you cannot win a casino dance competition if you use the eastern style
ohne label the word salsa is to refer a mixture , salsa would be timba in Cuba
@CarmeloValoy Wrong. No social dancer ever mixed casino with rumba or Orishas on a regular basis in Cuba. The regular mixing of those dances into the dance of casino is an innovation that first developed in Europe and in the U.S. and is commonplace only in the Salsa Lovers (Miami) style of casino, which unfortunately is the most widespread one nowadays. If you watch the (very) popular Cuban TV program Para bailar casino, you'll see that all couples are dancing traditional casino, which some of you would probably label as "Eastern style" or "outdated". Just check some vids out!
@CarmeloValoy Thank you for your answer! Could you, please, ask your friends if mixing Orishas with casino has been a normal thing before Cuba opened up to tourism? I've always been informed by CUBANS that it's a recent phenomenon, a fashion that developed in the US and Europe.
@@grzegorzrybacki I recommend you read this paper. The fusion is given by folklore teachers who teach casino in Europe with the purpose of selling more dance classes.
sonycasino.com/2015/01/31/why-i-dont-incorporate-the-orishas-into-my-casino-dancing/
She is an excellent dancer, he is ok
fantastico
enorme!!!
BUENO BUENO BUENISSSIMO!!!!!
Quisiera saber de donde es la muchacha porque pocas veces por no decir casi nunca me gusta el baile fuera de las bailarinas cubanas, pero esta pareja me encanta porque tiene estilo, clase y soltura al bailar que es lo que le hace falta a la mayoría de personas que aprenden. Yo tuve un declic cuando vi esta chica porque tengo problemas con los desplazamientos y lo que hago es que veo el vídeo en otra velocidad y si vieran como estoy bailando! jajajaja gracias! Si los tuviera cerca iría a sus clases.
This is true. It's directly derived from Son.
Hola, en todo el video marcan el 4 y 8?
Hola, estamos a veces marcando a tiempo y a veces a contratiempo
bueno hermanoooooooooo
Como me gustaria bailar asi Un dia!
casino cubano limpio :is a style of Son from Cuba!
los casineros buenos!!
Bomba! Impecable! Me parece que la canción está desfasada ? O estoy contando mal 🤔 corríjanme
Bailan con la clave
Where is this dance Studio?
Washington DC
Yoel Marrero, Piottr Agassi, DC Casineros and metodo del cuadro del casino, los mejores del mundo!
Also you can watch on youtube Alexander Pavlov and Alicia from Ukraine - MCC member, they develope MCC in Ukraine, dancing very good level with good body/movement control.
Thanks, I will take a look!
Yea but the cubans dont dance casino now , they dance timba , the casino was the style of 1960 before of revolution, with the revolution the style mixed with afrocuban style and appear the music called timba , that style is from the past
Si ves a José Luis Pelayo Herrera y su casino quedarás fascinado
@@CASINEROCHILENO As far as I've understood, El baile de Casino startet pretty much with the revolution. Before the revolution the casinos where actual casinos. So there has never been a break of people dancing something else than Casino since then. That the music changed and the dancing too, I agree, but is timba a music genre? Is timba a dance?
I don't agree with the title of the video saying that casino is not salsa. In fact quoting Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsa_dance_%28Cuban_style%29): "Cuban-style salsa, also known as Casino, is a form of salsa dance that originated in Cuba." Another quote from www.timba.com/dance_pages/about-salsa-casino says: "Here is some ideas and concepts about what characterizes casino (what Cubans call salsa) from other salsa styles." So casino is Cuban salsa. In fact i dance Cuban salsa and the steps that the dancers do in this video are the same one i learned in Cuban salsa classes.
We would say that if you are looking at Wikipedia and Timba.com for accurate information about Cuban Dance, that is probably not best sources and we would suggest you to look at more credible ones. Remember Wikipedia is the "People's encyclopedia" so anyone who thinks has the knowledge can simply update the information. Point in Case the information is not accurate! Books and Scholar research to read and research for info: 1) "El Casino y La Salsa en Cuba" by Barbara Balbuena 2) "El Son No Se Fue de Cuba" by Adriana Arjuela Martinez, 3) recent works and studies by Yoel Marrero -- www.casinoparatodos.org/view/casinoparatodos/Articulos/en , and many others. 4) Ned Sublette "Cuba And Its Music"
"Cuban Style Salsa" is a name that foreigners outside of Cuba decided to put to try to define the dance, since they couldn't tell what it was. The Dance "Casino" has always been a style of Son (rooted in ealier dances such Danzon and contradance) czcams.com/video/WJnePW6Kujg/video.html . Son itself has many styles, but the one that became the most popular in the past generations in Cuba was the one done in the "Casino Deportivos" recreation places in Cuba.
"Salsa" is a marketing term use to define Cuban Popular Music in New York, and has little to do with the complex Genre of Son as music.
So Maroun, we are grateful that you have responded, I hope you can do your research to understand more in depth the music and the dance that Cubans enjoyed in their past time. ;-)
And of course if this might not convince you, our friends from Rueda All Stars, who recently visit us here in DC, had also similar statements about what to call their music and their dance: czcams.com/video/mVyRiK9L3w0/video.html
So we were dancing Casino all this time and calling it salsa. But i don't think it's a big problem to refer to it as Cuban Salsa outside of Cuba. Personally, if the dance, where i am from, was not called Cuban Salsa, i would have never known about it and gave up LA Style Salsa in order to learn and dance it. Nonetheless the dance is awesome and i find it more fun and enjoyable than LA or NY style Salsa.
volandoooo
I love ur moves, and i know u are keeping it traditional dancing "contratiempo", but anybody seeing this, would argue you guys are totally offbeat (which i understand is what contratiempo does, by basically adding ur own beat to the beat). I just think if you danced with the beat more it would look nicer and more fluid. Ive seen Casino dancers from Cuba dance on beat and it looks much better musically. Contratiempo might work for some songs, but generally it looks off (as in this video).
Daniel Camargo
Daniel thanks for the
comments! Couple of things: Contratiempo is not “adding your own beat to
it”, on the contrary is the way Cubans dance Danzon, Son and later Casino,
since the early 1900s until now. Before the
60s most Cubans dance at Contratiempo because that was musically in tune with
the “zinquillo” (instrument used for early danzon and Son, that predates the
Clave). Later with appearance of
Guaracha (Faster tempo Son music), Casino dancers had to switch to a Tiempo
giving that the music was too fast to “accentuate the contratiempo breaks. These
days Casino Dancers in Cuba dance, a Tiempo, Contratiempo, and on 3 depending
the music, and the region. In Santiago
de Cuba, majority of Dancers dance at Contratiempo, while in Guantamo mostly at
Tiempo, but in Havana on the 3 (many musicians will argue on 3 is really
actually offbeat, but that is another conversation)
Actually in the video Amanda
and I dance the first part of the song at Contratiempo to acknowledge the
traditional sound of Son in the music, and later when the song gets faster and lifts
in Energy we switch to a Tiempo to acknowledge the change on the beat. So again if anybody seeing this would argue
that we are off beat, then they might not understand the intricacies, history
and roots of the where this music and dance come from, but this is the reason
that we do it, to spark these questions and conversations, so that people are a
lot more aware of what Cuban popular dance is.
I leave you with a couple videos and examples from Cuba, so that you can
see how Cubans dance at tiempo or Contratiempo:
czcams.com/video/X8afujI-y6U/video.html
czcams.com/video/ZwcXfHjWGwU/video.html
czcams.com/video/_wavBWMk5Ak/video.html
Daniel Camargo And I just realize that in this video Amanda and I are actually danceing a Tiempo all the time. So we are not sure what you mean by off beat. This is another example of contratiempo to a Tiempo: czcams.com/video/JPempcvwnTg/video.html
on 3 is correctly called - tiempo cruzado
Después de haber visto el primer link (afujl) me quedé muda, difícil que me guste otra cosa. Que clase!
Hi, DC Casineros (especially Adrian and Amanda) I really like your dance style here and saw immediately that you were dancing a Tiempo. I've been a dancer and teacher of timing and musicality for many years and have just retired from helping my Cuban best friend and hermanito (de una otra mujer) Airagdin Pavon More, with his dance academy in Sydney, Australia. I'd like to reinforce your comment and add more insight for those who are unclear about dancing on Tiempo or Contratiempo. Many dance students are unaware of the subtle half-notes that fall between the main notes, i.e. 8 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 & 7 &. N.B. to all dancers - it's important for everyone to know this about Son and Casino, especially re the conga and clave. The conga is the heartbeat pulse and hits on 8 &, ("goo goo") so when we're dancing Son we both start at "la cintura" (centre/core of the body) on the first "goo" and launch on our dominant leg. The "&" is the second "goo", so we ignore the 1 beat, then step 2,3 at la cintura. For the second bar of the 4/4 tempo we obviously step with our non-dominant leg on 4 & ("goo goo") ignore the 5, then step on 6,7 at la cintura again. In a nutshell, it's 8& 2, 3, 4&, 6,7 or goo goo 2, 3, goo goo, 6 7. The 2/3 Son clave pattern hits on 2,3 5 & 8. The 3/2 clave pattern hits on 1 & 5 6,7. (Cha Cha Cha is always 3/2 clave, Casino can be either clave pattern. Rebeca Mauleon has a very good CZcams video where she explains that the clave pattern will depend upon and follow the melody.) With "a Tiempo", we should be feeling/stepping "goo goo 1,2,3", "goo goo 5,6,7". We hear a musical emphasis on 1,3,5,7 via the strike of the campana (cowbell) and also the guiro so they're a great help when you're dancing on 1. To refine everything further - Son launches with the first "goo", Casino launches immediately after "goo goo". Advanced and also natural dancers can dance on the 3 beat, but I find that students should master the musical patterns I've described above first. Once you understand and feel these rhythmic patterns you don't have to think of the numbers any more and your "cintura"/core will become more fluid and moveable, not unlike a metronome. The golden rule for dancers is that the music is always king and it directs your body how to move, not the other way round! To add to your CZcams samples, I've copied a video where Moro and Yarima are dancing Contratiempo but they're definitely Casino moves except for a few seconds of a beautiful Son move by Moro. It's slow enough for dance students to observe that they're not dancing on 1. Both of them were professionally trained in Havana and Moro has danced in international shows and taught in many countries. I also recommend the timing album "Scuola di Salsa" by the Cuban DJ Berna Jam, who's now returned from Italy. He also has a great track, "Scuola di Rumba", on his album "Welcome to Salsapoli" which is excellent for Rumba classes. They're available on iTunes.
Keep up the good work guys! czcams.com/video/-UJMktAl2lM/video.html
Looks blend cuban salsa with som. Circluar.
Haha :) All salsa is Mambo and Mambo was born as a section in son music or rumba...and then it was mixed with jazz and swing and some european instruments and SALSA WAS BORN! :) So it is clear that all salsa is son or rumba. Az for the Cuban salsa - there are a lot of dance styles in it.
What is 'timba'?
Simon Lowe Timba is a Style of Son. Is basically the way Modern Son is being played by Cuban Bands. It is also used as an umbrella term to define the Complex Genre of Son. however is just that another style of the many such as Songo, Salsa, guaracha, Montuno, Mambo, etc.....
More specifically, the steps are based off chachachá. And if it's based off if Son, then everyone needs to stop bitching about back rocks.
Yea but th cubans dont dance casino now , they dance timba , the casino was the style of 1960 before of revolution, with the revolution the style mixed with afrocuban style and appear the music called timba , that style is from the past
Depende de la música, esa canción no lleva guaguancó ni música tribal religiosa (orishas) para qué meterlo a mi baile? Sino todas las canciones se bailarían igual.
the cubans dance regaeton ... cuba culture is desapearing...
Mucho mejor que yoel marrero
jajaja no te pases... pero entiendo tu punto
A ella le falta gracia. Él espectacular.
El casino no lleva gracia, es pura técnica
@@raulmaldonado4301 pienso exactamente al revés , el estilo los Ángeles tiene técnica por ser más coreográfica. Y bailo los 2 estilos. Sigo opinando su falta de gracia.
@@adru3858 Si se le añade "gracia" al baile de Casino, se distorsiona el baile. El Casino no requiere ninguna añadidura, llámese gracia , sabor, sandunga, saoco o lo que que fuera . El Casino tiene su estructura claramente definida
Cuando digo gracia me refiero a q parece q sus movimientos no fluyen. Un poco "durita".
@@adru3858 Ahora entiendo, si es solo una opinión, pues bien