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Komentáře • 321

  • @WoodByWrightHowTo
    @WoodByWrightHowTo  Před 2 lety +1

    Now Available: www.woodbywright.com/shop

  • @gordonmccall5263
    @gordonmccall5263 Před 3 lety +15

    The slop in the depth adjustment drives me crazy, especially when coupled with the coarse thread adjustment. I think Jeff has come up with a great solution to those problems.

    • @scottanderson2581
      @scottanderson2581 Před 3 lety +3

      i agree Gordon, it doesnt drive me crazy but something i think can be improved on.
      Jeffs threaded rod looks excellent

  • @NathanP711
    @NathanP711 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I like the fact that most of the mods are reversible, you’re not permanently changing anything. You can go back to the original parts easily.

  • @mattf9096
    @mattf9096 Před 3 lety +44

    I think a kit like that would sell really well. Probably safe to say most woodworkers are hobbyists and don't make much (if any) income from their work. So being able to upgrade instead of replace a tool with something more expensive seems like a win.

    • @Musicpins
      @Musicpins Před 3 lety +3

      I second this

    • @nipunlokuwithanage3433
      @nipunlokuwithanage3433 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Musicpins Agreed. Most people compromise on premium quality planes with a huge price tag for a common (somewhat flawed) cheaper plane. It would make sense to keep low manufacturing cost as a major factor.

    • @frandoyle5608
      @frandoyle5608 Před 3 lety +2

      Two kits. The angle in one kit. Yolk with either fine or coarse adjust..

  • @jerryhoogeveen
    @jerryhoogeveen Před 3 lety +1

    The yoke and fine thread adjustment are brilliant!

  • @MrAtfenn
    @MrAtfenn Před 3 lety +6

    i like them all. i would like to see a oversized yoke in all dimentions to be filed back. larger arms to grab the knob, longer yoke for the thicker blade and a thicker yoke to file it back for a tight fit as well rather than the expandable option with the screw. also i would for sure want an existing pilot hole in the yoke even if i have to ream it out. i would definitaly invest in several of those if they became available as well as the rod with the smaller threads for incremental adjustments. i would put both on all my old planes. i might possibly order the 50 and/or 55 deg frog adjuster to play with. all of these ideas are fun though. i have played with different ways to decrease the slop and this looks like a better option that anything i came up with

    • @MrAtfenn
      @MrAtfenn Před 3 lety +3

      to be clear, i would buy several yokes if they came to market

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Před 3 lety +1

      I think I am going to do the same.

    • @jamesperrin3762
      @jamesperrin3762 Před 3 lety

      Yeah I’d be most interested in an over sized yoke that could be filed to fit. A pilot hole would help to not mess that operation up.

  • @rain104
    @rain104 Před 3 lety +12

    James you forgot to tell people about Jeff's history as a plane maker and about his brand name: Reed Planes. I saw it on the wedges.
    My opinion is that Jeff's ideas are all great here and I would buy them. On the yoke I would rather the end be larger and need to be filed or sanded to size. I think that you need both kit options and individual parts sold separately.

  • @leroybarker8510
    @leroybarker8510 Před 3 lety +1

    I think you are on to something here. Most of us hobbyists enjoy dinking around with modifications to our tools, just for the fun of it. I would buy these upgrades.

  • @johnmycock102
    @johnmycock102 Před 3 lety +2

    I am relatively new to hand tool wood working. I think most people would be interested in the wedges to change the bed angle and adjustable time. I would certainly but the wedges. I am in the UK and know there would be great interest her.
    Fantastic channel James. You and Paul Sellers are me go to

  • @joelthoenen3733
    @joelthoenen3733 Před 3 lety +16

    Yoke for sure... Especially with aftermarket irons and chip breakers being thicker. And being able to do that real fine adjustment and getting rid of the slop would be amazing

  • @MortimerSugarloaf
    @MortimerSugarloaf Před 3 lety +2

    This reminds me of the Rat Rod trend for car dudes. Take a junky old plane, tune it up, build it out to your spec, and still retain that classic look. I can imagine building out a couple rat rod planes for my different needs. I can't be the only one who would scoop up some of these. I think they're all brilliant ideas.

  • @skiphayes1795
    @skiphayes1795 Před 3 lety +1

    I really like the idea of the yoke and fine thread on the wheel. It would make them much easier and faster to adjust the way you like them. Thanks for the info.

  • @criswilson1140
    @criswilson1140 Před 3 lety +1

    I definitely like the idea of the parts needing to be filed or drilled to the correct size. People that want an instant solution right out of the box might not like it as much, but I know the yokes and pins on my planes are all different sizes and I would appreciate being able file a bit to get it shorter. Cool idea on the wedges, I used to wedge frogs on occasion, but now have different frogs. I love the idea of a finer adjustment screw. For the knobs, the bigger the better. I really like the Cosman adjustar knob.

  • @thewalnutwoodworker6136
    @thewalnutwoodworker6136 Před 3 lety +3

    I NEED that frog angle wedge!

  • @Gotmovezlikejagga
    @Gotmovezlikejagga Před 3 lety +2

    The number of replies speaks to how interested people are. I heard several you tube woodworkers make the comment that the biggest difference between a LN and old stanley is the "precision". To be honest I can't believe someone hasn't addressed these issues. While we can pick up a number 4 for 20 bucks and with a little make it a good plane it lacks that precision that's would be a game changer for smoothing. Collect the ideas, make the changes. Send out some test packages of parts, make the necessary adjustments go to market. This will be a big success. Dont wait, cuz without patent control, these ideas will be ripped off. I wish Jeff much success.

  • @jumbomad
    @jumbomad Před 3 lety +16

    I would like the angle adjustment and the fine threaded adjustment wheel. Perhaps the yoke could be over sized in length, width and thickness so I could fit it perfect by filing.

    • @user-wk5yy5dx9k
      @user-wk5yy5dx9k Před 3 lety +1

      Concur! The fine thread wheel and the angle adjustment speak for themselves. An oversize yoke is something that's already available in the UK and something I came across when I was trying to buy a replacement yoke, but they didn't ship to the US. I ended up buying an overpriced #4 yoke ripped off an existing Stanley.

  • @matahaikonen9390
    @matahaikonen9390 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice to see someone to looking "out of the box" and improving old tool..

  • @hankmerkle5928
    @hankmerkle5928 Před 3 lety +1

    I REALLY like the fine pitch thread and adjuster! Not so thrilled about the frog angle changes, but I am sure there will be a lot people who WOULD be interested in that. I say it is a good idea, doubt you guys will retire on the proceeds from the sale, but you will have the satisfaction that you have helped some woodworkers do something good!

  • @JeanMinutile
    @JeanMinutile Před 3 lety +1

    I really like the idea frog angle adjustment !!! And also the depth adjustment screw with finer threads. That is the more interesting things for me as I use the original blade on my plane.

  • @robertberger8642
    @robertberger8642 Před 7 měsíci +1

    It all sounds great! Pre-drilled sounds better than not drilled at all.

  • @wallyschmidt77
    @wallyschmidt77 Před 3 lety +2

    I really like the improved yoke and the fine-pitch adjuster. Maybe the yoke could be pre-drilled for the smallest pin so that the hole is properly located, and customers could drill or ream it as needed. You could make studs that would fit the old Stanleys with RH threads and studs that fit the LH threads, but all could share the same fine-pitch threads, so you didn't have to manufacture and inventory different knobs.

  • @bretttodd901
    @bretttodd901 Před 3 lety +1

    These all sound like great ideas that are worth exploring. I'd be especially interested in the adjustment wheel and the yoke.

  • @davidyeow4019
    @davidyeow4019 Před 2 lety +1

    Definitely the frog angle adjustments is something I would get. The improved yolk as well, but definitely being able to take a 45deg frog and make it a 55deg frog or even more is wonderful.

  • @robertberger8642
    @robertberger8642 Před rokem +1

    A lot of great comments/suggestions here. I’ll add that I’m a big fan of purchases being ready to use right out of the box. So, yeah, longer yoke thingy to handle different blade thicknesses, but also cut a groove in the underside of the lever cap to accommodate it.
    Re frog adjustment screw, taking an idea from microscopes, have both a coarse and fine thread screws. Or, figure out how to combine both into a single shaft to conserve space. And, of course, tighter tolerances to minimize lash.

  • @egbluesuede1220
    @egbluesuede1220 Před 3 lety +1

    Great book reference..... I use vintage planes for the enjoyment of finding and restoring pieces of history to working order. My planes are "workers" and not wall hangers. But, I see the appeal of this pursuit for others. You can find a rusty old plane for 5 bucks, clean it up, and then consider "suping" it up. Probably the most interesting one is to change the bed angle for difficult grain. The others mayt fall into the personal preference category. I'll be interesting to see where this goes, as you can also learn about planes and set up by following.

  • @Heseblesens
    @Heseblesens Před 3 lety +1

    The longer pin on the yoke is definately interesting as is the adjustable pin.

  • @brianbarrows6087
    @brianbarrows6087 Před 3 lety +1

    The high-angle additions are interesting. I'd pay money for those.

  • @markwebster7342
    @markwebster7342 Před 3 lety +2

    Nice presentation James!

  • @devinteske
    @devinteske Před 3 lety +1

    I would love to see spring loaded ball bearings in the yoke and detents on the depth adjusting knob so that you get positive feedback while turning the depth adjuster wheel.

  • @Unconventional03
    @Unconventional03 Před 3 lety +10

    I think all of these should be sold, either separately for as a kit.

  • @JOSJOHNSTTU
    @JOSJOHNSTTU Před 3 lety +1

    Yes! Would totally buy that yoke.

  • @tonyv3860
    @tonyv3860 Před 3 lety +1

    Love the idea of removing some of the slop from the adjustment wheel and yoke. I prefer the predrilled yoke as opposed to the blank yoke. I never gave much thought about adjustable frog angles so I don’t have an opinion on that. Thanks for sharing this exciting hand plane development. I would definitely would upgrade my hand plans.

  • @AdrianDecaux
    @AdrianDecaux Před 3 lety +2

    Awesome James, very good idea to present!

  • @TheTrashologist
    @TheTrashologist Před 3 lety +6

    As for the yolk I would say have the larger ends and longer, fatter tip that can be ground to fit. Then drill the hole undersized that way joe shmo can drill the size he needs without worry about drilling crooked.

  • @ozzy6900
    @ozzy6900 Před 3 lety +1

    Good Lord! This is why I use wooden planes.... a hammer and light touch and I'm working, not playing with knobs and screws. I like Bailey style planes, too and I have several of them. When I need to use them, I just set them up and use them. I don't need all of the fancy stuff to make my planes work correctly. But if you do, good luck.
    And remember James, the next time you take that thing out of the fridge, "if it looks funny and smells funny, don't eat it!"

  • @geraldeddy5581
    @geraldeddy5581 Před 3 lety +3

    While all the things you have shown I can see being utilized… it was the new bolt and adjustment knob or nut that struck me the most! I often find myself turning the adjustment screw a few times before I get any action and to fine tune it would be remarkable!

  • @johngalanes5264
    @johngalanes5264 Před 3 lety +1

    I love it all. Would love a larger adjusting knob.

  • @bobt2522
    @bobt2522 Před 3 lety +1

    Great ideas! I am very much a beginner with my hand planes and that affects my opinions.
    1. The larger adjustment knob with the finer threads would be easy to install and would provide an immediate improvement. If the backlash in the yoke is not reduced, it will take more rotation of the knob to take up the backlash.
    2. The yoke upgrade takes a bit of skill to tweak correctly. I would prefer it come with an undersized hole to help get the hole in the correct location.
    3. Being a beginner, I don't know enough to care about adjusting the frog angle.

  • @keithschoenheit5404
    @keithschoenheit5404 Před 3 lety +1

    I would buy a half dozen plus of each . All the ideas are awesome.

  • @mgreene939
    @mgreene939 Před 3 lety +1

    I like all the products. The more adjustability the better. All depends on the price.

  • @sfshilo
    @sfshilo Před 3 lety +3

    The fine thread thing is fantastic. Easy mod to make, big impact on daily use.

  • @nsdpdf
    @nsdpdf Před 3 lety +1

    Taking the slip out of the wheel… take my money. Also finer adjustment screw would be a game changer in planing hard woods

  • @donkuparsad3390
    @donkuparsad3390 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice ideas, I like the nob and the screw.

  • @andrewbrimmer1797
    @andrewbrimmer1797 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I think the 55 degree and the yoke with the longer piece with the fine threads. I also like the star wheels to adjust

  • @bransonbasher6534
    @bransonbasher6534 Před 3 lety +1

    I think the customers will love these products! I will.
    I'm interested in everything that takes slop out of my planes. Everything.
    The 50 degree wedge is something I'd buy one of. I'd have a designated #4 with the wedge and appropriately beveled iron.

  • @noahfreeman8115
    @noahfreeman8115 Před 3 lety +11

    I’ve never played around with a Veritas custom or a LN plane, but if there are ways to get my vintage planes up to that level, I’m game.

  • @karolskakes388
    @karolskakes388 Před 3 lety +1

    I would love to have a tight yoke, drilled small and large enough to need filing to fit my plane. A fine thread adjustment with a solid knob would also interest me if the tread pattern was tight enough to eliminate tread slop. A knob with well cut treads matching current thread patterns would also be a great option. Love what is being tried - keep thinking out side the box!

  • @chriscunicelli7070
    @chriscunicelli7070 Před 2 lety +1

    I put a reed yoke on my bedrock planes. It was so much fun. I want to do it more. I know I don’t have a life but I love the experimental play. I hope the keep it up.

  • @upsidedowndog1256
    @upsidedowndog1256 Před 3 lety +2

    All of these are great ideas. I can't even find hardware to finish a few. Taps and dies in the original diameter and pitch are unobtanium as far as I can tell.

  • @user-du2of3lh1g
    @user-du2of3lh1g Před 3 lety

    Definitely like thebigger adjustment Knob and fine adjust!!!

  • @zachwithrow4121
    @zachwithrow4121 Před 3 lety +8

    I love this! I think the larger/finer adjustment knobs are smart. You could also try knobs that are similar to what Rob Cosman (with a star-like pattern instead of a round knob). I would be curious to see how well the high angle wedges hold up and perform.

  • @Rafal_Soboczynski
    @Rafal_Soboczynski Před 3 lety +7

    New yoke and adjuster for smoother. That would be nice

  • @nigelb4689
    @nigelb4689 Před 3 lety +1

    Wonderful, Cost is a big factor, I see this being offered in many different options : 1. fine adjuster with basic knob. 2. replacement yoke (the split version looks weak). 3. Frog Angle adjusters (why not make all 5 degree adjusters and standardize, just use 2 to get to the 55 degree angle). 4. Deluxe knobs, custom designs to replace the basic knurled knob. I would definitely be interested in the fine adjuster, and perhaps the yoke option later. PS. the yoke will always have slop, as it has to fit any and all chip breakers , in this case small but works is preferred to exact but can't fit. The yoke tip should be elliptical or segments of a circle to reduce wear and perhaps hardened to make it more of a match to the hardness of the chip breaker; this may mean that you have to offer a number of standard sizes instead of the use a file to fit type. Keep us informed!

  • @enriquemendoza8209
    @enriquemendoza8209 Před 3 lety +1

    Fine thread adjustments. That would solve half of my troubles.

  • @ytgee2737
    @ytgee2737 Před 3 lety +1

    Just my personal opinions:
    Consider that a lot of users are using a valuable collectable planes that may also serve as their “users”, and whatever modifications are made should be easily reversible to restore the collectable value of the plane.
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    I love the finer thread and the larger adjusting wheel ideas. However, I do believe that you should add two LH threaded nuts to the install kit to allow users to “cleanly” remove the existing threaded rod without having to resort to masking tape and potentially damaging the existing threads. Remember, that we may want to restore the collectable value of the plane back to original.
    I also love the frog angle adjustment plates, I think these are a really great idea.
    However, to me the “thicker blades” yoke adjustments have mostly already been resolved, so you may just be reinventing the wheel. Hock blades work, and IBC has a chip breaker extrusion that extends to into the blade slot to allow the original yoke adjuster to reach into the chip breaker slot. So the existing solutions are to buy a blade that is already designed to work in your plane, buy a Hock, or buy a thicker blade with a chip breaker extension to work in your plane. Or maybe a “generic slide” could be designed to bridge the gap between the thicker blade and the chip breaker. These solutions also do not require “modifying” a collectable plane that may also serve as a “user”. The thing that concerns me is the stability of the yoke ears on the frog, and the force needed to get out a yoke pin with potentially decades of rust holding it in (you may get lucky and you may not get lucky). Breaking off one of those ears, while trying to remove the yoke pin, will ruin a potentially very valuable plane. Replacement frogs are not always easily obtainable, and if you can find them they will probably be expensive.
    I do also really like the idea of tightening up the mechanism, we are all annoyed by the adjuster slop/backlash in the Stanley planes. But for me, I’m not bothered enough by the adjuster slop that it is worth the risk to a valuable collectable plane to take the chance on replacing the yoke.
    All that said, I really like all of your ideas, and I think you should definitely keep on working on them. I am personally hesitant, on the current “yoke replacement idea”, but if the others were available I would definitely try them.

  • @keithansley6279
    @keithansley6279 Před rokem +1

    Thumbs up on all his ideas

  • @rayflowers9097
    @rayflowers9097 Před 3 lety +1

    I'd say yes to everything you showed us. They're all viable options and if they came in a kit I and I'm sure with plenty of other people will buy it. No questions asked. It's a "shut up and take my money" no brainer moment.

  • @Vincent-S
    @Vincent-S Před 3 lety +1

    Definitely a longer yolk. Having a Hock iron+original chipbreaker combo works, but it's nice to have options. Plus being able to chuck one into a transitional after getting a chunkier chipbreaker that has a custon slot for it would be fun. I love my no. 26.

  • @17penobscot
    @17penobscot Před 3 lety +1

    I'm definitely interested, going to keep an eye on this 👍

  • @c.a.g.1977
    @c.a.g.1977 Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome that you can actually make those adjustments to a standard plane and make it way better.
    I think I would like the fine adjustment-thingy, with a brass knob with a bit of heft to it. I always strugle with it, taking of too much or too little.
    Swapping out those angle thingies (45/50/55) - I don't use my plane enough so I can't say whether or not that would be an advantage

  • @richarddossantos5371
    @richarddossantos5371 Před 3 lety +3

    Having a longer yoke would help with my thicker iron. I do love Rob Cosman's new star adjustment knob.

  • @robertbirkholm9292
    @robertbirkholm9292 Před rokem +1

    I'd love to be able to take the slop out of the depth adjustment, the other stuff would be more for people that have several of each plane so you can set one up for a specific task. something I'd be interested in is a way to lock the lateral adjust or separate it from the depth adjust.

  • @kennethnielsen3864
    @kennethnielsen3864 Před 3 lety +1

    Seems like a super plan.

  • @shaneleavitt8972
    @shaneleavitt8972 Před 3 lety +1

    awesome ideas, I have always hated the slop in the plane iron adjust. all great idea on all areas I would buy all them

  • @maxschuster6282
    @maxschuster6282 Před 3 lety +4

    The possibility to make a higher bed angle is really cool

  • @antonhan4815
    @antonhan4815 Před 3 lety +1

    A full upgrade kit is a very good idea. I'd prefer a lighter knob. I'd be interested in it.

  • @vincentbianco583
    @vincentbianco583 Před 3 lety +1

    Love the finer thread as well as the high angle wedges. Nothing bothers me more than messing around with dialing something in with a sloppy course thread! Feels like I take awesome shavings then barely twist it and I’m taking chunks!

  • @kennethspeed2019
    @kennethspeed2019 Před 3 lety +6

    I'm more interested in the modifications to the yoke and the adjusting screw than I am in the wedges to change the angle of the frog. I think it's a simpler fix to put a back bevel on a plane iron to change the angle than adding wedges. I have a Stanley No. 7 that I bought new ten or fifteen years ago and it is utter garbage. I flattened the sole, replaced the plastic tote and knob with wooden ones, and put in an aftermarket blade and I'm still not happy with it because of the huge amount of slop when I adjust the blade. I'd even been thinking of adding tiny washers to the ends of the yoke to get rid of some of the slop. I also like the idea of a bigger adjustment wheel and finer threads on the adjustment screw. The smallest bench plane I use is a No. 4; and generally, I tend to use larger planes because I like the weight. I've tried thicker plane irons and chip breakers and I don't think they make all that much difference. I have had a few old plane irons that were unacceptably soft and one that was noticeably bowed across the width of the blade. I think better steel makes more difference than greater thickness. When I get a plane with the old-fashioned chip breaker, I dress the edge of the chip breaker on a diamond stone so that it fits tightly. Over the years, I've found that I prefer Millers Falls planes to Stanleys, I think they're generally a bit better. I have a Miller Falls No 22 on the way to me and I'm hoping I can make it perform better than the Stanley. I'll let you know if I'm successful.

    • @Volksaholic
      @Volksaholic Před 3 lety

      First off... in regards to the upgrades... I agree with Kenneth. I have 2 #4 and #5 planes I use, one with a back bevel and one without. Easy and cheap. The adjuster yoke seems like the lowest hanging fruit, especially if the engagement for the adjuster nut was sized for the largest likely nut and could be filed to fit. Filing might be finicky though... really it should be a consistent radius throughout the range that the yoke would contact the adjuster nut. It would add complexity, but I wonder if an overly wide yoke with interchangeable disks to fit a range of adjuster nuts would work well. I also like the idea of sizing the yoke protrusion to fit the chip breaker slot. I don't know if the split with adjuster screw is the best option... I worry that it would add complexity and cost to the manufacturing process and unless you swap chip breakers occasionally you'd only need to set it once. What about offering an overly thick version that could be file/ground to fit? Seems like a cheap and easy solution to me. I also think I'd like the fine thread adjuster nut when I'm trying to dial in the depth of cut to get gossamer-like shavings would be awesome, but I wonder whether just getting rid of the backlash between the nut, yoke, and chipbreaker would be sufficient. All the bells and whistles are awesome, but at what price point and when does it make more sense to replace my vintage planes with L-Ns? (Rhetorical question... I've told the family I intend to be buried with my vintage planes!)
      Now off topic but on Kenneth's last comments: I'm interested in hearing more about your Millers Falls vs. Stanley comparison. Is it just Stanley Bailey, or are you including Bedrock in that comparison? I just picked up my first Millers Falls bench plane because I want to see how they compare too (it's a #10). I've got Millers Falls #56 and #57 block planes that I bought to compare to my Stanley blocks, and while I haven't done a mindful side-by-side comparison I find myself reaching for the MF planes more often than the Stanleys, and that includes my reliable old friend #60-1/2 that I've dialed in over the years and fitted with a Hock iron. I've also been comparing Sargent planes and while I think the VBM vintage are better user planes than Stanley Bailey, some of the older and newer vintage are not quite as good and it seems Sargent was less consistent with the manufacturing processes. One of my favorite go-to planes is the #4 size Sargent Shaw's Patent VBM #9 which took the place of a Stanley Bailey Sweetheart #4 as the standard bevel one in my cabinet. I'm thinking the Stanley it replaced might be a good candidate for testing out these yoke and adjuster mods.
      Sorry for the long dissertation... my wife tells me I ramble a lot! I know she's right.

    • @kennethspeed2019
      @kennethspeed2019 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Volksaholic Well, Interesting commentary and worthwhile questions. I'm going to limit my comments primarily to Stanley and Millers Falls although I will reference my Lie Nielsen bronze No. 4. Other than the LN I don't own any Bedrock-style planes. I admit I can't get all shook up about the much-praised ease of adjustment of the frog. How often do you adjust the frog on your planes? I very rarely adjust the frog on my planes; I set it and forget it. I might consider changing it if I change blades, but mostly it stays where it is. So Millers Falls Planes are Stanley Bailey knockoffs and are in many ways identical although I think the "good" MF plane, not their economy line is marginally better. I've never done a weight comparison. but they just feel more solid. I do think the lever cap on the "good" MF plane is superior to the Stanley and I think their blades are better (I've had a couple of very disappointing Stanley blades). The experience I had with the relatively recently manufactured Stanley No 7 was a huge disappointment. I've never had to fight to get a used MF plane working. I disassemble them, clean them, sharpen the blade and hone the edge of the chip breaker, reassemble them, and put them to work. I will admit that I have a Stanley No. 8 with a 1910 patent date on it that will stay with me until I'm too old to use it. I also have a MF No. 15 which is the best jackplane I've ever used. Imentioned earlier that I have a MF No. 22 on the way; I'm eager to see how that performs and wish there was a way we could chat about it without boring everybody else crosseyed.

  • @sgctactics
    @sgctactics Před 3 lety +1

    The concept of aftermarket parts for old hand tools definitely has a niche potential. Just like a vehicle: not necessary by any means, but nice for the ones who like to take it to 11. Considering how many planes and such that I have that are 1 or 2 parts away from a fully functional tool, I can see rationalizing purchasing a brand new part (as long as it's as good or better than the original) as opposed to searching ebay for a hard to find great condition set of vintage parts. Now, if you guys can come up with some aftermarket brace parts as well, I'd have another dozen or so working tools to bring out of retirement!
    As for the fine threaded knob, a great concept in theory, but reality is different. I can say from experience that fine threads may be more precise, but take much longer to adjust, and it's only as precise as the least precise part of the mechanism in use. Unless you're the type of person who has, say, 2 or 3 number 4's set to specific depths of cut, (and all the power to you if you're lucky enough have the bench space) constantly having to switch between hogging and final passes will make the concept rather regrettable...
    Also, although manufacture will be more costly, the frog adjuster really should cover both front and back mating surfaces. Even though the change in angle isn't super extreme, you're greatly magnifying the force that's put on the frog right behind the mouth by making it a single point of contact vs a full surface contact. I'd hate to see someone chip a frog or heel of the mouth that way.

  • @Russ0107
    @Russ0107 Před 3 lety +2

    These ideas are pretty brilliant.

  • @schm4704
    @schm4704 Před 3 lety +3

    That yoke would be a godsend for thick aftermarket irons and chipbreakers. I made a thick iron work by adding two tabs to the chipbreaker for the yoke to hang on to. I would also like to be able to fit the opposite end of the yoke to the adjuster wheel to reduce backlash.

  • @garydargan6
    @garydargan6 Před 3 lety +1

    I think the most useful modification is taking the slack out of the yoke and giving it a finer adjustment with a bigger adjustment knob. I have managed to cleanup and tune an old Stanley to get reasonable results but the main problem is fine adjustment of the blade to get a good shaving and finish. With all the slack in the adjuster there is a lot of hit and miss and time wasted.

  • @dwainlambrigger3769
    @dwainlambrigger3769 Před 3 lety +1

    As has been mentioned, these are really cool ideas. I LOVE anything that will get rid of the slop. I'd through whatever device works in my 3, 4 and 4 1/2. I would do the same with a fine adjustment wheel. I'm not sold on the shims to change bed angle. Also, pricing would be critical. If I am spending $80.00 on an upgraded iron and chipbreaker, then an additional $50.00 (I'm guessing here) for your kit, on a plane I already spent $40 to $50 dollars on, I would probably save up for the $400.00 Lie Nielsen smoother, however if the price were right, I would invest in these kits for all of my smoothers, and possibly my #7. Great video, this kind of innovation is really exciting.

  • @benjaminadair9548
    @benjaminadair9548 Před 3 lety +1

    Great job, my go to is #5 Stanley's right from the factory. The yolk and slop in adjustment knob are my biggest concerns, back to the mouse and the oreo cookies I have access to sapele where I live at our local lumber yard and a quick change of the bed angle would be nice also. Keep um coming 👍

  • @keithcarothers2643
    @keithcarothers2643 Před 3 lety +1

    With the yoke I'd prefer the hole undersized. I'd like the fine thread on the knob, with it being slightly oversized, I find that my arthritic hands prefer the larger knobs.
    I love my old bailey planes, but the ability to tune it to the degree your striving for would be absolutely fantastic.

  • @markp6062
    @markp6062 Před 3 lety +1

    I like the file adjustable fitting for replacement irons. seems like a solid item that solves a real problem. I also like the idea of having a larger knob with maybe a different pattern on it.
    The shims for the frog seem like a good idea, but it would be to convert an existing plane, not something that would get switched back and forth, so Maybe I would just buy a high angle plane?
    The finer threads are something else I 'think' of as a nice thing, but don't know how practical they are. a tighter action with less slop makes the tighter threads seem a bit too much.
    My best advice about it is to think in terms of kits, rather than pieces parts. single pieces are probably less sellable than several pieces together that solve this particular (set of) problem(s).

  • @papaacorn9479
    @papaacorn9479 Před 3 lety +1

    I just got the shipping notice for a replacement cap iron and blade for my Stanley #5, made by Veritas - and based on this video I may have introduced a new problem by trying to solve another.

  • @joohnny59
    @joohnny59 Před 3 lety +2

    Would love the fine adjustment. Less so the alternative angles. More importantly I hope they would be available in the UK.

  • @philaandrew100
    @philaandrew100 Před 3 lety +4

    Never found any of these things to be a problem really.. As for thick irons, they are quite unessesary IMHO. The bog standard irons have served us well for over 100 years.

  • @randyowens264
    @randyowens264 Před 3 lety +1

    I really like the idea of having the fine adjustment on the blade. I have always thought there was too much slop in the knob and the yoke. I think you guys are on to something with this line of upgrading parts. I believe there will be individuals that will use some of these items and some that will use all of them.
    You might want to consider those who want to replay their knob & yoke and keep everything else original. I would definitely be interested in something like that and would like to know what it would cost.
    Thanks All! Blessings!

  • @What_Other_Hobbies
    @What_Other_Hobbies Před 3 lety +1

    An adjustable longer yoke is 1st priority. It opens up more options for users.
    Angle adapter 2nd. The same result can be achieved with a back bevel on blade, but as you are making the blade thinner on the cutting edge; an adapter is better. It does change how and where the front end of frog sits. Not sure if it introduces chatter because of that.
    For me, I don’t care too much about the new thread. It may require the most amount of work because the old one may be difficult to remove. With a better yoke, there should not be much back and forth adjusting any more, and the current thread is fine enough.

  • @markcostanzo3112
    @markcostanzo3112 Před 3 lety +1

    I’d love the high angle wedges, I’m tired of back beveling!

  • @Musicpins
    @Musicpins Před 3 lety +2

    I really like the ideas of wedges to change the angle for difficult grain and also the longer joke for thicker irons.
    The standard knob really works for me so I wouldn't consider something else.

  • @hangingoutashingle7784
    @hangingoutashingle7784 Před 3 lety +1

    I like these mods. The idea of a finer thread would be great. I use a no. 3 smoother so I like the smaller wheel.

  • @samjones1875
    @samjones1875 Před 3 lety +1

    The yoke would be great for thicker irons. Maybe something like Rob’s adjustar. I have one of the beta’s of it and it’s great in anything bigger than a no 4. My hands were really cramped in my 4 with it on it.
    For the angle adjusters maybe something for bedrocks after the Bailey design is finished? I’ve stopped reaching for anything other than my no 6 and 605.
    Amazing ideas that could help bring these older planes to newer, way more expensive plane standards! Could sell as individual parts or kits.

  • @anpr5309
    @anpr5309 Před 3 lety +1

    Definitely interested in changing the bed angle. I would prefer the yoke be predrilled.

  • @michaelthompson5875
    @michaelthompson5875 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm gonna have to noodle with this a bit but initial thoughts here.
    The yoke idea is a spectacular one. I'm not positive about the split one. Not sure about anyone else here but I could see myself driving the screw too far and permanently deforming it.
    I don't generally work in exotics or highly figured wood so I'll leave comments about wedges to others but its certainly a neat idea.
    As for the fine thread and new nut...I like the idea though I think you'd have to be careful of just how fine a thread you went with. With my total lack of patience I could see myself getting very frustrated making 100 turns if I had to make a coarse adjustment. Oh and as for the style of nut...Millers Falls I think it was made a solid one that I LOVE the look of.
    Great ideas Jeff and thanks for sharing James! Can't wait to see what else you gentlemen come up with.

  • @michaelgreen429
    @michaelgreen429 Před 3 lety +1

    You had me at the title. My daughters love that book series. Right now, I'm not at that point in my woodworking journey to fine tune the plane. Still figuring out sharpening. Later though I could see myself looking at the yoke and turn knob modifications. Thanks

  • @volofly2011
    @volofly2011 Před 3 lety +1

    I love the idea. I recently bought a relatively cheap Caliastro #5 and tuned / suped it up. Including a Woodriver blade per your recommendation, I might add. I even added set screws to snug it up side to side at the mouth like the Veritas planes have and some small washers on the yoke pin to remove some slop there. Also, the yoke is the worst part on that plane, so an upgraded one would be great.

  • @dmohr02
    @dmohr02 Před 3 lety +2

    I really like the tighter yolk and finer thread options for sure. I’ve always hated how much slop there is and going back and forth to dial in with that is a pain. These are no brainer improvements. Love it

  • @weisnowhere
    @weisnowhere Před 3 lety +2

    This is a great idea! I would be extremely interested in that fine pitch screw and the yoke! I would probably get the screw for several of my planes as some are spin clockwise and others counter and that's annoying
    Hope this works out!

  • @budlloyd3127
    @budlloyd3127 Před 3 lety +3

    love this idea! I would make the yoke long like he did, but then fatter/ thicker as well, then you can just file it to a perfect fit for the iron/ chip breaker, without having to drive a screw in it. Also I'd rather a heavier knob. Again, I love this idea!

  • @jezebel871
    @jezebel871 Před 3 lety +1

    I think all of these are great ideas and there would be demand for all of them. IMO, the larger knob with fine threads and the pitch adjustment would be most useful. As for the yoke, if there was a kit with all three, I'd probably pay for the whole kit and kaboodle. I would definitely prefer the yoke to already be drilled and I can make the hole bigger as needed.

  • @jaayjones5937
    @jaayjones5937 Před 3 lety +1

    Honesty I think the only thing that I would ever need would be the thicker-longer yoke so I could put in a new thicker blade. At some point the upgrades might end up costing as much as a new plane. Great ideas that might interest a smaller group of experienced woodworkers.

  • @richs5422
    @richs5422 Před 3 lety +1

    Fine thread for sure. Big knob, heavy is good (but not critical). I'd buy a set of wedges, since I'm still struggling with getting tear-out free surfaces even on easy to plane woods. Lastly, there should definitely be a hole in the yoke. Undersized is good, but a no-hole version I wouldn't buy - too hard to get it perfectly straight. I would definitely purchase one kit to try. If it worked well I might get 4 more. Thanks!

  • @charlesrussell9312
    @charlesrussell9312 Před 3 lety +1

    Tighten up the yoke and the fine-thread adjustment would be helpful for me.

  • @stufarnham
    @stufarnham Před 3 lety +1

    I’d go for the you’re with the longer tongue, and it would be great if it had larger knobs on the ends to engage the adjustment wheel with less play. Would also go the finer-grained adjustment thread (large knob, please) and the angle lifts.

  • @Dome4322
    @Dome4322 Před 3 lety +4

    Yoke, precision screw and nut in a set would be great, different heat treated colours could also be fun. Maybe cold blued or blue purple ish or the simple clean brass for the more traditional style. Different grip patters ( cross,hex, fish - patterns or rounded lines ) for the nut. Maybe even a washer style screw for worn out cap irons?

  • @cospittner3526
    @cospittner3526 Před 3 lety +1

    These are all really great ideas and I would definitely be interested in buying all but the frog wedges. I would be interested in some type of device that could lock the lateral adjustment in place as well if that was engineered somehow.

  • @dominikplouffe4191
    @dominikplouffe4191 Před 3 lety +1

    The yoke the knob ou la la! Please go at a reasonable price!