Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - Is it ok to tap to…EXHAUSTION?!
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) is a difficult art to learn. Exhaustion plays a factor in that challenge. So is it ok to tap to it? Here are 2 key ways we cheat ourselves if we do.
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:39 - Cheating Your Opponent
2:19 - Cheating You
I’m a long term white belt.
I trained 2.5 years, got to 4 stripes at my school. Then Covid shut things down for 1.5 years. I decided I wanted to changed schools, so I started from scratch at a different school. It’s now been 2.5 years at the new school and I’m a 2 stripe white belt under a new instructor. I’m 45 and not athletic. We had an in house white belt tournament. I tapped to exhaustion against a teenager, heavier weight.
I regretted it immediately. I could see some instructors were visibly disappointed. I didn’t even want to go to the BBQ afterwards. Side control pressure absolutely kills me and I end up using every ounce of energy trying to get out (often unsuccessfully).
Man, I know it’s tough, and I appreciate you sharing this. As we get older and the cardio fades, we will definitely need to get really good and managing energy. If it’s any encouragement - I’m 44 and brown and learning to control my energy output has been so helpful. That’s something to focus on getting better, not just technique. That’s a technique all in itself!
I've been there.
It's best to tap out, instead of puking all over the mat and your opponent.
You won't always have a training partner going for submissions.
I've had people high-intensity roll, and then just smother and pin, instead of submit, even though I was exhausted and immobile.
I had to tap because I was smoke-checked and about to vomit.
There are plenty of scenarios when it's appropriate to tap even though you're not being submitted, to claim otherwise is RETARDED.
If you feel uncomfortable during your roll, feel free to tap, it's better than getting injured.
It's not the Olympics, it's training.
Ok hadn’t thought about throwing up…that’s a fair point! 😂 if you’re about to throw up, yes, please tap
I’ve tapped to pressure quite a few times, but I don’t think I’ve ever tapped to exhaustion. There have been times that I’ve considered it, but I don’t want to do that to my opponent or myself.
Now, I will say that I’m guilty of watching the clock, seeing there’s a short amount of time left, and just holding my opponent in guard or half guard to avoid the submission before the buzzer. I don’t like doing that; it also kind of feels like cheating.
Professor Sharpie has been challenging me to roll with my eyes closed; nothing exists in the roll except for me and my opponent. Time stops mattering when you shut everything else out.
Great video, and great food for thought; keep it up!
Thanks for the feedback! I will say, pressure can be a legit submission! And good wisdom from Coach Sharpie. There’s nothing like a roll where you are totally disconnected from everything except for the wave of that roll.
Bjj is a sport. You'd fool yourself trying to save your skin applying this kind of techniques.
Thanks for sharing your insights. I'm a white belt, been training 1-3 times/week for a year and some months. I've tapped to exhaustion once, against someone who also didn't really know what they were doing; we were just muscling through positions for about 10 minutes straight, and I felt awful afterwards for not sticking it all the way through. Like I didn't have much mental fortitude. We spoke about it afterwards and agreed that if we ever reach that point again, we just gotta tough it out until someone gets the submission.
Recently someone newer joined the gym, and it seems like every other time we roll he taps out early and says he's either too tired or isn't able to defend the position. It's kind of frustrating and I haven't really known how to react to the situation, so it's helpful to hear that it's fair to tell him we're both being cheated if he does that (because it certainly feels that way). Funny thing is he's the kind of guy who tries to teach techniques and "the right way to do things" during class/drills but it's often flat out incorrect or unrelated to the drills lol.
Easy fix.
When someone taps, for whatever reason, ITS TIME TO STOP. Getting upset about that is immature.
100% time to stop, but also a time to challenge others to grow. There is more to Jiu Jitsu than just technical moves. The “give up” is in us all, and can come out easily. How are we really helping if we let that go? As I said in video, I’ll give you one time, but after that I’m going to encourage you to address that weakness. Sometimes we need the rebuke and hard conversation.
@@SpicyCactus Spicy, read my comment again - I am sharing my experiences and thanking Dj for giving his take on how to deal with the situation, NOT looking for advice (or name calling) here. There's nothing to fix about showing gratitude, and we should definitely challenge our training partners to push themselves if they're able to.
I agree. I have NEVER tapped to pure exhaustion. And I never will. I LOVE digging deep when i'm just totally 'spent'. The only two times I have almost tapped(maybe once, actually) when rolling with a wrestler who eventually mounted me and applied pressure to where I am EXHAUSTED and unable to BREATHE.
For me, I look at it as a challenge. At worst, im going to have somebody submit me through exhaustion and basically sitting on my lungs. But im going to keep showing up. And if all I can gain is a few more seconds of survival every time I roll those types of opponents, then so be it! I will build, little by little until I posses the requisite skill to get out of the exhausted/mount/pressure submit.
I guess my point is don't beat yourself up any longer than necessary. Be aware of your fault, Make a plan and figure out a way to go after it every day, inch by inch.
This is what i do my best in trying to implement personally....
Great insight. Thanks for sharing this. I agree, learning to fight through these positions will help us develop and improve in ways we will never know if we just let exhaustion win. And to your point about pressure, those can be legit submissions! I would separate exhaustion from pressure. If an opponent puts you in a position where you can no longer breathe - they win! Tap and learn to stay away from those positions, or escape earlier. Thanks again for watching and for the feedback.
I started BJJ in my fifiies. On one of my very first rolls I tapped out to exhaustion - I had a big young blue belt on top of me, my heart felt like it wanted to burst, and I wasn't sure I could remember how to breathe. At that point, I didn't just feel I was tapping out of the roll, I felt I was tapping out of BJJ in general. My cardio has improved since then, but I wouldn't go back and advise that version of myself to carry on in that situation. I do agree though, after a year of training, I wouldn't tap to exhaustion, because I understand a little more about how to manage the situation and how not to gas out in the first place.
I do think there is a balance, and yes, gotta show grace to white belts. I think it’s awesome and speaks to your growth - how you have learned to manage your energy more now. And to be fair it’s awesome anytime someone starts training, and if that begins in 40s or 50s that intensity of cardio demand is a lot harder than it is when we were in our 20s, or even 30s. Thanks for sharing this.
No you shouldn't tap to exhaustion because no one is coming to save you ever tapping is finding your way out, or quiting. In real life never just quit recognizing you have to help yourself. In the early stages of ground fighting or newby all of us did it. So early in training take a notebook and write down both why and what caused it, even when you did it for exhaustion, everyone at some point looks for ways out other wise there would only be champion ship fighters but even champion quit.
I like your point of taking notes on the “why.” That will definitely help identify the problem and overcome