Control Ultimate Edition on PlayStation 5: The Next Generation Tech Review
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Remedy's Control is one of our favourite games of 2019 - a state of the art experience that embraces the future of rendering technology, using cutting-edge rasterisation techniques and a superb workout for hardware-accelerated real-time ray tracing. And now the game is coming to next-gen consoles. We've had an exclusive look at the final game and we're excited to share our thoughts with you!
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Everyone: PS4 Pro.
Alex, sipping a glass of wine from the Crysis shrine: PS4 Professional.
Before Alex, it was Mr. John Linneman who coined it.
Xbox number One
A man of culture i see.
this glass of wine has its ray tracing on max settings too
I felt irrelevant for that brief sec as an Xbox owner lol
Can we take a minute to acknowledge Remedy for supplying DF with the PS5's equivalent PC settings. This sort of transparency and community interaction should be industry standard. Well done Remedy 👏
Yeah man. DF are big boys in the game now. I doubt they would do that for anyone.
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yeah the only drawback to that is we see that it's basically running at Low/Medium settings on a PC.
Remedy are a great dev and their work shines
It is not at all optimized for the nextgen when we see these settings! Just look at what a PS5 is worth compared to PC components.
PS5 => Ryzen 7 3700X + RTX 2080 SUPER and 16GDDR6 ! Settings equivalent to PC settings should be much higher !
These settings are only representative for this game and only this game.
This game built such a great world, never read as many documents in a game lol
Dead Letters. So much funny stuff in there too. "Hello, My feet gossip at night and now I have to wear shoes to bed. Sincerely, Me"
@@Aaron-iz3hk man your right I do remember actually laughing out loud at some
I believe Dishonored has even more!
@@JPMPranks so true I loved that games world building too haha
@@Aaron-iz3hk i missed that one
Still can't believe how they managed to squeeze ray-tracing onto the consoles with this game. That's crazy. Also can't believe you get this game completely free with PS Plus. Now I can finally play it.
Refreshing to read this comment! Countless others believe it’s ray tracing + 60fps or bust but here’s a guy who knows how to be appreciative and realistic!!
@@spenny2cents while I agree with your sentiment that this is a huge accomplishment as is, Spider-Man makes me think some clever workarounds could give us both. RT and 60fps goes such a long way in this type of game.
I also can’t believe this game was free. Just getting to it and one of the coolest games I’ve played … ever?
Yeah, but at 30 fps :( My PC will do the same resolution with Ray Tracing at nearly 90 FPS. Unforutnately, FPS + Resolution > RTX
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour Control is using a much heavier engine than Spider-Man, all of the physics and destructible objects in Control are computationally very expensive on the CPU side.
This is a game that would really benefit from a Spiderman-style Performance RT mode, at 1080p/60fps, with partial ray tracing
Pretty sure Spiderman performance RT mode is dynamic 1440p , with all RT features , just at a lower resolution
yeah you're right
Saw one of the devs say on twitter that their team is too small to make this work sadly
They'll probably ask you to buy the game again to unlock that.
@@ZulqarnainAidil lol
The destruction effects are so satisfying
I wonder how the makers of Second Sight feel about this game.
Or Microsoft with Crackdown 3 and THE POWER OF THE CLOUD!!
Lol, unrealistic as hell though. Have you ever seen a chair break a desk like that and not just one but multiple desks. Sorry but that's just weird to witness, physics working on particles, but objects are made of different materials so they don't break the same way and require more pressure to cause breakage. Sure it looks impressive until you realize unless you're shooting a .50 HMG at the room, a hand gun isn't causing this much visual damage effects.
@@evilformerlys4704 ok boomer, if it’s that unrealistic to you how bout you go make your own game and then I’ll agree
Especially how the desk falls to pieces but the typewriter pad is invincible /s
That's what we call piss poor attention to detail.
I'm officially addicted to Digital Foundry's videos. I love the higher rate of content we've seen in the past few months.
The settings used in the PS5 version compared to the performance is a clear example why a technology like DLSS is really needed in every game both on consoles and PC.
It can't be done on consoles, since they are powered by AMD technology.
DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) is an proprietary image upscaling technology developed by Nvidia and exclusive to Nvidia graphics cards for real-time use in select video games, DLSS uses the power of NVIDIA’s supercomputers to train and improve its AI model.
The neural network is trained by Nvidia using "ideal" images of video games of ultra-high resolution on supercomputers and low resolution images of the same games.
The result is stored on the video card driver (Game Ready Drivers). It is said that Nvidia uses DGX-1 servers to perform the training of the network.
Especially in this game as it's a crazy hardware hog. Hopefully AMD can pull something decent off to also work on consoles.
dlss is an incentive for video game makers to do a shit job on optimization.
Hopefully amd create their own equivalent and not at the cost to overall optimization.
People arent laughing about "fake 4k" now are they. Native 4k really is a waste of resources
Absolutely love these breakdowns - excellent work as always! On a funnier note, I had a real double take when you said 'PS4 Professional', can't say I've ever noticed it being referred to as that before.
They are overrated, just say a whole lot without saying anything
Not a regular viewer then?
PS4 Amateur vs PS4 Professional vs PS5 Amateur
They always refered the Pro as Profesional here especially richard.
This game have one of the most boring enemys i have ever faced at shooter games and that did make this game boring when you could not care less about fighting dead boring enemys.
For.anyone that doesn't know control ultimate edition is the next free game on ps plus for February 👍🏻
It's also free on gamepass.
@@99bajakid isn't that just control for xbox one and not the enchanced edition like ps5s
@@Ninjaski24 No clue tbh, I play on PC and just noticed it was on game pass last night.
@@99bajakid not been confirmed
@@Ninjaski24 so far it's not the enhanced version on game pass.
we need more physics rather than graphics, the 360/ps3 era was sublime when this was exploited
This. I hate how games last generation always felt so static.
Yup. Good lighting, reflections, skin shading, crisp shadows, volumetrics, and all those rendering effects are nice, but destruction and physics really help ground you into the world you're playing. Even if they forget destruction and just make more objects physically active, it feels more immersive. Something as simple as a tree briefly wobbling violently as a result of a nearby grenade explosion is enough to help pull you into the game world and make it feel like you're in an interactive setting and not just standing in a collection of static geometry and textures.
@@barretxiii27 couldn't agree more
This is the only game to really give you that "lobby scene" energy.
Well, Red Dead Redemption 2 has physics and graphics
Really cool of them to provide the exact settings. I do kinda wish the checkerboarding raytracing mode would come to PC, though; in general, it would be nice to have more options besides just lowering the resolution or turning up DLSS for reclaiming performance from raytracing on PC hardware, while still getting to see its effects in action.
They need to remaster Quantum Break, that game has some of the best bullet time effects iv ever seen.
Play it on pc. Just needs a resolution bump because graphics were honestly amazing and since it ran at 720p on X1 and 1440p on X1X. Must look amazing at native 4K60!
Yes indeed. The bridge scene gets me every time :) Literal *WOW*.. moment each and every time lol
The game itself was very meh in my honest opinion.
If they do, they should tighten up the shooting mechanics a little. But yeah that game looks amazing effects wise.
@@WH250398 Wasn’t the best game ever, but had its nice moments, Control is the polish of that game imo
DF: "Detailed analysis of Control on next gen hardware"
Chat: "Playstation 4 Professional lol"
Lol 😂
That's how Gaming Mafia Works !!! 😂
2:40 "It's so dense, every single image has so many things going on"
Technically, every frame is an image, therefore every single image has many things going on in it.
@@monkfishy6348 ...I'm fully aware what a frame is, it's a reference to a Star Wars meme.
@@lirfrank You gotta love Rick McCallum
@@lirfrank So many things going on... except acting.
Well, Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor were pretty good.
@@jamesgravil9162 acting?, its a game, what acting are you talking about!?
This game was amazing. Just finished it up a few weeks ago. I look forward replaying it in a couple years with the update.
The SSD in Control is a HUGE game changer. Loading on last gen consoles was absolutely painful.
you can put fast ssd in your ps4 pro internally... MX500/860/870EVO... lol
@@revelator3665 obviously but you are going to waste another $120 dollars and it won’t be as optimized
@@ederreyes6529 500gb SSD MX 500 50/60$
Still too long for PS5. Seems like it is going to be a while before games take advantage of PS5 storage architecture and match Spider-Man MM loading which loads into a highly detailed open world from a random save file in 1.5 seconds.
Xbox one x plays super
6:17: Play Station 4 PROFESSIONAL
😁😆
Its what the professional's play.
@@michaelhart5087 So if I get a ps5 I'm not a Pro anymore? Dang.
@@Gaben_Enjoyer Or just wait till the ps5 pro comes out and buy that instead.
I'm stoked to play this tomorrow!
Alex has referred to the PS4 pro as “professional” multiple times throughout the DF videos. Hard to notice but I’ve definitely heard him say that before
Well Pro is short of professional, so why not?
Richard calls the base ps4 "ps4 amateur"
@@GameslordXY Except the ps4 pro was anything but professional.
Pro is the informal way of saying professional.
I like when Rich calls the regular PS4 the PS4 "Amateur"
small request, can digital foundry also cover sound in more detail. Would appreciate if you also talk about things like dualsense
Intresting
I don't think necessary , there is no upgrade for sound or dual sense
@@rika5417 there actually is dual sense support, check remedy’s Twitter
@@MrShagnar OMG I didn't know, that would be interesting
They would probably have to hire another member for this as I get the impression that they are always stretched thin. Yours is a good point though, audio is a criminally overlooked area in gaming analysis' (ACG is probably top of the class in this department). Factor in that both the PS5 and Xbox Series have new dedicated audio hardware and the Dual Sense features.....
"Convex dish"
Technically concave, but ARE YOU KIDDING ME that the engine knows what to do with a visual abstraction like that? Raytracing is incredible.
EDIT: a word
The engine doesn't 'know'. It's pure physics and the way light bounces that causes the 'anomaly', but yeah that's the strength of raytracing. Imagine 20 years from now when ray tracing also does diffraction and the oil effects in this video would actually be the result of raytracing as well.
@@viperhd70 I didn't explain myself well. I know what raytracing is. My point was that the engine is able to so directly integrate those physics calculations that we don't even anticipate. But when they pop up in front of us it's like "Wow, that IS how it works in the real world!"
@@HorseheadNebula85 You should check out the "camera obscura" effect on Minecraft RTX. It just manifested itself based purely on the physics of light, no pre programming. Its very cool.
30fps is also incredibly bad so the 60fps performance mode is the smart choice imo.
As long as your surface normals are correct, ray tracing will be physically accurate, you don't have to specify whether a surface is concave or convex.
Excited for the other video, this was a nice and welcomed preview.
Thanks Alex. I've started analysing Ray Tracing in real life based on your analysis. I've found some very interesting results. I'm the UK, so on this platform, Clouds are on high settings, vegetation appears to be on medium and the Sun is on very low settings, Reflections off glass is especially impressive. Thanks Alex. I couldn't do it without you!
The texture quality is amazing as well, they're not even compressed and all cutscenes render in engine as well keeping a nice consistent look between levels
Ultra quality comment
Hell yeah, absolutely loved this on the Pro. I got the plat and can’t wait for the 5!!
Once again, fantastic work. I love watching all of you gals/guys videos. Thank you!
I had a good time with it on the One X; only noticeable issue was the momentary hitching after pausing or going to menus. Looking forward to another go on PS5.
Brilliant analysis as usual, Alex. Thoroughly enjoyed this. I've only played the original on Series X and I did notice some texture loading issues, such as the clocks in the motel. Interesting that you're not seeing it on the PS5 version. Will look forward to Tom's video on the latest versions on Series X 👍
I wish all console next gen games had that graphic sweet spot like spider man remastered on the PS5 where you can do ray tracing at 60fps with performance mode.
Spider -Man remaster for PS5 is a powdering of the old generation games. Only Spiderman Miles Morales is the real next gene. And it is not so rosy there anymore. Only in the quality mode you have RT and 30 fps turned on
@@sawomirbartosiak2487 Miles Morales has a 60 fps RT mode...
@@sawomirbartosiak2487
4K30 yes.
There was a patch that brought 1080p60RT
@@GameslordXY 1440p60 RT
You can get Control: Ultimate Edition on PS5 tommorow if you have PS+ subscription. Great game to get on PS5.
Yeah along with Destruction AllStars, overall a pretty solid month. I hope Destruction AllStars doesn't suck lol, they did barely any marketing for that game and pulled it from being a £70/$70 launch title to it being free on PS+ 2 months later lol. My only worry now is if they just cram it full of microtransactions to recoup the game sale loss.
I was malding a bit when I found out it was free but it was still funny. Only 17.99 and if the game is as good as people say I'm ok with it
Wait. There's a PS5? Where that at
You can also get it if you only have a PS4.
If you don't yet have a PS5, but are a PS+ subscriber, you can still add the game to your collection via a browser. If you get a PS5 later and are still subscribed, you'll be able to play the game.
They did a very good job with handling reflections without ray-tracing, good enough that I would take the 60fps over the 30. But really we're all just waiting for a DLSS alternative for AMD, even if they don't have the same acceleration capabilities
even if the boost is small, it is still a boost.
@@vollkerball1 I guess so, but it also a case of how much fidelity you'll end up losing, for that small boost. If it's like a 10-20% boost but it's a poor 'blurry' quality is like DLSS 1.0 or checkerboarding, then it really isn't worth it. However, a 10-20% boost with around the same good level of quality of DLSS 2.0, then it probably is worth it.
Also, RT performance on the consoles and RDNA2 is really a 2 fold issue:
1) RT on AMD's RDNA2 simply isn't that great. Performance levels when compared to Nvidia's Ampere is around 35-40% less on average and that get's even worse with 'full' RT enabled.
2) There's no additional AI cores on the RDNA2 GPU's to be capable of pulling off something like DLSS, in order to mitigate the loss you are getting from using RT.
@@fafski1199 lets wait and see even if any solution appears and i agree dlss 1.0 was bad but that is normal in New features
@@fafski1199 NVIDIA chose to use tensor cores for the upscaling but that doesn't mean that's the only way you can do it. AMD's implementation can be as good without using those cores but some other way. Not an AMD fanboy, I actually have an RTX 2060, but I just wanted to emphasize that there are multiple ways to achieve a result..
@@ioannispoulakas8730 All other ways will use up processing power, either from the CPU or GPU. Either way you are taking up processing power, that could simply be used to boost performance anyway. It's counter-active, taking away performance to try and boost up performance. It also takes up far more 'normal' cores to process, than it does using AI cores that are dedicated and built around doing the necessary AI algorithms.
You simply won't get anything close to DLSS on AMD GPU's, until AMD also include some dedicated AI cores for the task, on the GPU. This probably will be the case with the RDNA3 GPU's (2022) and it's rumoured MCM design. Either way you won't see it for a while, especially on console (mid-gen refresh consoles, then maybe)
Seams that you guys developed your own format and polished it to brilliance. Thanks! Great video, as always.
Started playing on PS5 as it’s available on PS Plus this February and it’s such an excellent game.
I’ve been playing in the Graphics mode for now until I finish the main story missions, then i’ll do all the side activities in Performance mode when I’ve already seen all the areas in the Ray Tracing mode.
It looks brilliant in either setting, really enjoying this game.
Digital Foundry breakdown in the morning!!!! You guys are spoiling me and it ain’t Valentines Day yet lol
This game is so smooth and pristine that i’d gladly play it all over again on PS5. Highly recommended for newcomers.
Great job! The title matches the video. Even better gave us comparison between PS5 and PC.
Always good to see Alex nerding out!
Thanks fellas! You guys are the best!
I've never been to a video this fast. 👀
And yet you found when you got there, there were somehow already over a thousand comments, right? 😂
Downloaded it today and playing on graphics mode at the minute, looks good to me for a console, only got to the first boss at the minute, will try 60 fps mode out, may prefer that over reflections in windows, they do look good though!
Looks pretty good for the hardware they are working with. My only complaint would be that due to the AA being so low, there are a lot of artifacts and flickering due to it.
No matter how much praise RT reflections get, once you are actually playing, not static, contemplating, all those little details highlighted by RT get ignored. The 30 fps, meanwhile, you notice them every single moment.
Really wish we could get 60fps with RT on the PS5. This is nice though. Had no idea everything was destructible. I love that stuff! Free on PS Plus too.
Great physics and destructible environments has always been my favorite thing in games
Next gen consoles already lagging behind year old PCs does not bode well for them. It used to be that consoles used specific hardware to overcome and out-perform conventional PCs (see: N64, dreamcast), but now it seems that design decisions favor commodity hardware and need to be made years in advance, placing them at such an inherit disadvantage.
Because of this, we are already needing to sacrifice 50% framerate for basic RT features on these consoles.
The game just isn’t optimized well for AMD cards. For something complex like control, this game needs the Geometry Engine usage on PS5 and AI Upscaling/Super Resolution on XSX (when the feature is ready)
This game is optimized for several high performance cards (mainly Nvidia’s, but next gen consoles aren’t being completely utilized yet by far)
This game is not at all an indicator of next gen console potential looks like.
Nobody wants to develop for another Cell though. That's shooting _everyone_ in the foot. Multiplatform games make more money, and PS3 games especially would need significant investment. Many of those games are locked possibly forever in that generation of hardware instead of being able to be sold digitally for years and years and years.
At the risk of dating my gaming life - the destruction in this game reminds of the first time I saw games like FEAR and cryterions BLACK back in the day.
They deserved to die, they all deserved to die!
Damn BLACK was 🔥🔥🔥
Literally was playing Black yesterday on XB1.
Those games remind me of a simpler time.
Don't forget crysis
We thought Control was a next-gen game when in fact it is a next next-gen game, perhaps PS6 will be able to run it on high settings at 60 FPS with ray-tracing at 4K.
I hear the argument that consoles are 2x cheaper to buy than a current gen PC. They are cheaper for a reason.
@@outdatedTV
They are not cheaper compared to the PC.
Just like PC market prices that has gone way up because of the pandemic consoles are expensive too.
No you can't buy a PS5 for $500 if you want one you will have to pay around $1300.
But when finally everything goes back to normal and you could buy a $500 console then imagine what will happen then to the PC market when Nvidia and AMD and Intel latest hardwares come to the market and the prices of the previous hardwares will drop like a free fall.
But consoles will stay at $500 for much longer time.
@@thanos2420 I bought it for $500 not to long ago. I work at a gaming pc department. None of the pcs I build are under $1500 for what the ps5 is pushing. Ps5 is a better value for the power it has. Plus the custom ssd you can't get on the market. Console is looking pretty nice.
@@Oceanandskylinevidss if the PC market was stable right now.
RTX 3070 is $500 MSRP and its 2080Ti level of rasterization and far superior RT than what a PS5 or Series X has.
R7 3700X which is basically the CPU in these consoles was $250
Mobo with gen 4 PCIE features $180
32 GB of RAM $200
SSD that has a few hundred GB more usable storage $200
and you have $170 dollars for case and psu
$1500 for a PC that is better than a PS5 in nearly every department besides Sony's proprietary tech SSD which as we see from loading times and gameplay makes no difference vs the Xbox consoles. Remeber this game is playing on pc medium mostly low and RT and lods turned further down than PC can. while the pc I showed is a 1440p60fps high settings RT game
Remember DF puts the PS5 gpu using RT around the RTX2060 the weakest RT card around and Rasterization around a 2070 Super -2080. So you could drop $150 off the graphics card and still get a better experience. Remember this
@@thanos2420 let's hope things get back to normal. I'd love to see 3080s for 400$ when the next series arrives. This card is killer.
I hope to get a new monitor this year and the first thing I’m going to do is play through Control again. What an experience that was
Amazing review & breakdown vid! I just wish for the last part that you had an AMD w/ Gen4 NVME SSD PC to test; as the latest drives can hit literally double the read speed at 7000MB and PC doesnt even have Direct Storage yet. I would love to see a comparison like this, before and after DS comes out
Remedy sent exact PC settings for comparison?? I absolutely love them for that.
Cant wait to play this I've nearly bought it so many times
I really appreciate the Quantum Break music in the background of this video
Would have been dope to see a 1080p 60fps in RT on! :)
The PlayStation 4 “professional”
class
The irony when he said that.
I heard that and went straight to the comments
Hahaha! Damn it! Was about to comment the same ^^
@@KraaaHKen i mean, it sounded weird, but that's what 'pro' is supposed to stand for, right? :D
Seems like a great port. Good that they gave you the exact PC settings!
Even ps4 pro and xbox one x is using pc settings med low and high.. While ps5 is using pc exclusive settings.. In previous generation if you watch digital foundry ps4pro and xbox one x is using mix pc settings, low mid high and ultra in some area and some hidden optimization that are not visible to the eyes .. It is not surprising because almost all games are.made.for console and what we get on pc is the port version coming from console more on ps4 side...triple a developers don't make anymore games on pc, but i don't mind port version... Most of the true pc made game are isometric rpg games and strategy games
LOL
Keith Brown cyberpunk also another example of PC first then down scaled to consoles
Mediocre port at best with all those LOW settings.
@@turrican4d599 someone’s bitter
I’ve been waiting to play this on my PS5. Loading this sucker up tomorrow!!!
Had this game since last October and just been waiting for the next gen update
I definitely wouldn't mind playing this game again - so underrated!
YOU LIEEEE!!!!!!!!! (Arnold voice)
Yh but I’m not buying it twice
Never got to play it, would you recommend it? (Ps4)
Absolutely agree. For me it's the Prey of 2019.
@@starboy6226 Would’ve been nice if there was at least a cheaper upgrade path for existing owners. Full repurchase, is a bit rough - especially when some games got similar upgrades completely free
An idea for a video series:
How about you start "how it evolved" series, comparing the last entry in a game series to the latest one (let's say quantum break and control) technically of course
or comparing games graphical features to another (RDR2 to Cyberpunk...)
Like that the viewer will appreciate the game and the effort the developer put to revolutionize the next entry
You know of nick930?
@@spapbp Yes, I know him.
What I wanted to say is to compare the games the "Digital Foundry way", Deep dive in technical matters, like how the developer achieved what they achieved(in engine technical matters, and developers interviews if possible), what new techniques they used that they didn't use before, is it good or bad... And the like.
They can go many different ways compared to nick930 and still produce an amazing content!
Can’t wait for the other video to come live.
Xbox drops more frames
Great work man!
I played Control last year when it was available on PS Now and wow! One of my favorite games of last gen. The design of the environment is one of the best in gaming, period. The art direction is simply incredible. The action is so fast paced but the dimly lit offices filled with typewriters and paperwork adds such a creepy horror feeling. It's surreal. Love it!
Did you play it on a PS4 pro? I tried playing it on base PS4 and the sluggish frame rates, long load times and crashes here and there made me stop. But I really enjoyed what I played. Really looking forward to playing this on the PS5.
Your PS Now actually works?
@@dandan3045 yeah I played it on a Pro. For 1080p, the game was still impressive! Everything exploding and hiss clouds bursting... so cool. Definitely remember those hiccups and load times though.
I cannot wait to see those PS5 ray traced reflections!
@@ifyouusedarkmodeimjohncena7189 My wifi speed is about 65-ish Mbs down and I really don't have problems streaming. But I downloaded Control from Now.
Small note: the dish is concave.
You could say it's convex from behind
@@stuffsummedup22 ;-D
Thanks for the informative video! Just bought this for the PS5 and am stoked to give it a go. Looks like a great game.
Thanks for doing all that extra work even though you didn't need to!
I hope those frame rate drops I saw don't occur very much. I am very glad the developers offered a performance mode but it really should mean that it DOES NOT drop below 60 - the idea is drop the visuals BEFORE the frame rate drops
yeah im king of disappointed that the game is not fully utilizing the PS5 hardware, ray tracing aside, the performance mode should run at a higher settings and maintain 60fps every where, it seems to me its not well optimized, we should wait for future patches and see
It’s really impressive considering it still is a ps4 game with some tweaks and enhancements running on new hardware. I’d really like to see a ps5 game built from the ground up that really pushes it to the max.
I think Demons Souls is a pretty great hardware demo considering how true it is to the original.
Just played it for the first time today on my ps5 today. Uploading some gameplay. It’s up their on ghost of Tsushima level graphics wise. 60fps looks really clean and the modern esthetic gives it a really clean look. Lots of aa and the checkerboard pops out at times. But interesting game, still have no idea what’s going on after 30min
@@conciise136 waiting for a sale on that one as I’m not to fond of the gameplay from the PS3 version I own but I’d be willing to give it another chance on the ps5
@@GameslordXY hopefully not that long lol but you could be right 🤷🏻♂️
@@jonnyfive5000
Well actually, it's more like 5 years or so.
But you will certainly see games that push it HARD in the meantime.
Same as with any other generation.
I last played this through PS Now on my Slim (Not streamed thankfully 😅) but never got to finish it in time last year. Looking forward to replaying it on my PS5, I do wish they'd just give us options to try and uncap the quality modes, as a PC gamer anything above 30 looks nicer than capped 30.
Digital Foundry simply is a cut above the rest. I've already played this game and loved it but I appreciate Alex going out of the way to blur the mission objectives in the upper right so it doesn't spoil newcomers ☺
It's amazing just how many compromises they have to make to even reach 30FPS with raytracing, it really drives home how RT is in its very early stages of development and how current hardware is still simply not enough for it.
amd hardware, perhaps. Nvidia GPUs handle raytracing just fine
@@likemy With DLSS******
Turn off DLSS on pretty much any RayTracing enabled game and you'll struggle to hit 60fps.
The compromise is still evident, even with Nvidia cards.
Hell, run Control at 4k (1440p with DLSS, the same res as consoles) and RTX on an RTX 2080 Super and you'll be getting 30 ish FPS still.
@@riveraluciano nah, runs fine at native on my 3080. What GPU do you actually own?
@@likemy yeah, and your 3080 costs on average (now) at least the price of both consoles together.
I have an rtx 2080 super.
@@riveraluciano why are you bringing up cost? you're asserting that current hardware cannot handle raytracing which is simply untrue. There are two generations of GPUs which can handle raytracing--albeit one more comfortably than the other. 2xxx cards do need dlss to help. Also, strange to say that a 3080 costs as much as two consoles. You're not finding either at MSRP anywhere--may as well compare like to like.
Alex, how would you chose to play this version of the game? I know it's a totally personal preference, just curious if you would sacrifice the smoothness in favor of the added fidelity gained with RT.
Also would be great to have this checkerboarded option for the RT on the PC, on all the RT effects, would make it easier to turn all the effects on.
I really want the next part of the Star Citizen series! Great video though!
I'm reminded that the first 3D game I played that used a proper physics engine was Max Payne 2, another Remedy game. Good to see them pushing the envelope again.
Definitely the right call to sacrifice some visual settings for a stable frame rate. The game still looks great.
They should have an option for 1080p 60fps RT.
Probably wasn't able to reach locked 60 at 1080p too so they just left it at locked 30.
@@rahulpandey9472 sorry if insomniac can implement for miles morales in short turnaround and that is open world game..... remedy should be able to do it too @ 1080p 60fps in a linear game
I don’t think we will see Raytracing 60Fps for another console generation. Hell even on PC Raytracing in Newer games is making These 3000 series cards look underpowered.
In my opinion as cool as Raytracing is. It’s not as much of a game changer as they talk it up to be. It more or less distracts me from playing a game. Cause you wanna stop and look at every detail. In the thick of Combat sometimes it tough to tell what Is raytraced and what isn’t.
@@zahidrehman528 Not same engine, not the same studio. There could be a lot more things going on in the background that's preventing it from reaching 60 fps.
@@zahidrehman528 first party studios know their hardware.
6:30 "I would be remiss if I didn't talk about ray racing"
Nice one, Alex!
I did look at a spoon, thanks for your hard work.
Normally I choose 60fps for just about every game, but this game actually looks pretty good with its graphics mode.
AMD needs to step up their game already and get ai upscaling to work on consoles, the compromises currently are huge.
I feel the same way. PS5 and Series X are really missing that next gen feel. Most games run at 1440p on my PS4 Pro, and the absence here of RT shadows and bounce lighting just leaves the visuals looking incomplete.
I believe that RDNA2 just doesn't have the same kind of AI oomph in the hardware as the RTX cards, so I'm worried that AMD's DLSS competitor is gonna dissapoint. At the very least tho, I wish devs would make use of the reconstruction techniques that are already possible. Temporal Injection in Spider-Man is awesome. If you didn't tell me that God of War was checkerboard 4K, I probably couldn't tell. With existing tech today you can improve image quality a lot with minimal performance cost.
Xbox will support support it with direct ML.
But it's still being worked on
@@nighttimestalker but as the guy above said these new consoles lack the AI oomph compared to the rtx cards, the series x for example has about 50% machine learning performance of an rtx2060.
@@ajamesa1982
Direct ML is based off direct x 12 ultimate.
Something Xbox uses.
Looks so amazing. Hyped to play this for the first time via PS Plus on the PS5. Had to stop the video so I wouldn't get any spoilers!
Looks so good at 60fps. Hurry up tomorrow! I want to play it now!
What's cooler is that the PS5 isn't using DLSS, which has a big hand in making the game playable with RT on PC at high settings.
well yeah, that's the reason it's running at 30fps while an equivalent gpu like rtx 2080 can do better
No ones uses DLSS most master race pp don't
@@altacc1795 I've got a 2080 S and a 3900X and I Use DLSS. Granted, DLSS 1 wasn't that good, but 2.0 was a big difference. If "PC gamers" aren't utilizing it, that's on them because it's a great way to keep IQ up and gain some performance.
I usually choose performance mode, but dang this time it's kind of a hard decision on the PS5. Ray tracing looks amazing on this game.
It "looks" amazing, but I think for this game it's more important how it "feels", and I will stick with the 60 fps mode for that. It still looks great, you just lose the reflections, but it's not like you are paying attention to them during combat anyway.
@@Aristowi doesn’t matter. The game is crap like Xbox exclusives
@@write2nick I think it's one of the best games of the last generation. I'm very happy for it to be getting the next gen upgrade. If you think the game is crap, not sure why you're watching this video in the first place, much less commenting on multiple threads about how you think it's "crap like Xbox exclusives"
@@write2nick Game is amazing. You're probably a fortnite player or something...
@@write2nickYou must be 10 years old to say something like that
Been waiting for the next gen upgrade for this game to finally release as I didn't want to bother playing it until then. Can finally grab this as I've been eyeing this game for quite some time. Now I gotta decide if I want it on PS5 or XSX.
Where is the next video?? Been waiting hours!
I'm super curious about how the consoles compare (especially how series s will avoid very low resolutions). Thinking of getting that console and starting to wonder if it will be a simple 1080p 30fps without ray tracing :( on this game
I wonder how AMD is going with their version of DLSS. That could really help consoles reach the higher framerates.
LOL don't hold your breath
And when the RDNA3 or 4 refresh comes mid gen.
When is Sony going to debut their own DLSS solution for PS5? I remember Cerny talking about it.
They already do, Consoles use checkerboard upscaling.
@Sam Houser That's Why Actually PS4pro Never Used Native Resolution Over 1080p In Whole generations Relied on Checkerboard ,Upscaling and Dynamic resolution on majority of the games
Ray tracing is great but not worth having to play at 30fps.
I agree. If it takes that much of a performance hit, we're just not quite ''there'' yet with this tech both in terms of software *and* hardware support. Now I know AMD's raytracing so far has been... 'meh' due to lack of DLSS-like tech, but that's something the consoles need ASAP if that can be done on the current hardware at all...
And all settings at low besides a few at medium.
@@pcgameboy8407 lol yep
@@KindOldRaven not only because of no dlss Nvidia simply has more silicone dedicated to Rt. This has been proven already in neutral RT benchmarks without Dlss
Which Graphic runs in Graphic mode and Performance mode ?
I can't believe we're getting this tomorrow for free on PS5, so excited. Definitely playing on quality mode. I'm off work for a bit too it's like the stars are aligning.
4:22 That was the most aggressive *BASE* Machines i've ever heard.
All about that BASE no treble
So stoked that this is a PS Plus game dropping tomorrow. 🤘🏻
I bought the game last month... Not so stoked
I'm always so indecisive when it comes to choosing a graphic mode. I think I'll be going with RT for this one
Yeah, me too, RT looks amazing in this game
Nice analysis!
Couldn't help but notice the use of Quantum Break's soundtrack in the video. Can't say I blame you.
I've been waiting for this,and I'll enjoy it like you have no idea.
Never played but I need something new
@@vincebliddack2037 yah same here. With most next gen or big triple A titles being delayed right now I feel like any game that is remotely big coming out right now will get played by a lot of people. I mean the Medium on Series X is an indie game really and it was treated like a triple A title. Jedi Fallen Order is back at full price on the PS Store and many played that with it’s update recently. It’s def a good time for any dev company to release a next gen update for a last gen game or to come out with a new title. It will get a ton of press and play. Control is a 2 year old game and people are treating it like it’s a next gen release title. I’ve been looking forward to the game for months now and will def play it tomorrow. I had never even heard of it before the update was announced.
I felt that Miles Morales with its high performance with RT mode was perfect.
I use the RT mode + the frame generation mode of my TV. A little bit of added lag but you get used to it 💟
I can't wait to get back into that mindbending world. Looking forward to seeing what Remedy is going to do on the ps5 😳
Now the problem is that I can't really choose between ray-tracing or 60fps
1080p @60fps RTX On
If you a console player, yes you are right, but this is because they are not powerful enough despite the overhype in the media. If you need better performance the solution is only one...
@@JCORR76 Is that setting possible on console
Series x does 60hz Plus raytracing
The game's all about the action, quick reflexes shredding enemies. Unless you plan on examining your reflection in the windows or looking at coffee mugs to see how they reflect the countertop take the performance. Or just start the game in ray traced mode, get it out of your system and than play it properly.
I think I'll be playing this in the 60fps mode on my series x rather than the raytraced mode. Raytracing obviously makes the game look visually more appealing but imo its about time we get off 30fps and move to 60. Its more nextgen to me than Raytracing
Yeah nothing should be in 30fps anymore 🤦♂️
Yeah I actually couldn’t believe how much better Spiderman Miles Morales looked with 60fps, and Ray tracing for me became secondary.
@@lukebradley8952 The RT performance mode is easily the way to go in Spiderman. Hard to believe that anyone would choose 4k/30, even after I kept going back to it, nothing beats the motion clarity that 60fps provides.
We need 1080p/60fps/RT
60fps is the bare minimum at this point, 30fps should be illegal
I think I’ll play with Graphics mode, the ray tracing just looks so good!
the frame is so dense... it's like poetry, it rhymes