HVAC Brands that SUCK! Criteria to Finding Good HVAC!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 28. 06. 2024
- Of all the HVAC brands out there, there are only a dozen or so that are really good in North America. The rest of them are lower quality or just plain suck! In this video, we go through an overview of some of the brands out there that are good, some that are lower quality, and some that just plain suck!
Parts availability, finding a good contractor to work on that brand, and having a good warranty that the company will honor are all good criteria to use when deciding if an HVAC brand sucks!
RESPONSE! Based on some of the comments I'm already getting on this video, I think folks were expecting me to just get on here and bash a bunch of different HVAC brands. My response to that is two things...
First, I did bash one particular manufacturer and all of their brands. So if you missed that, watch the video again đ.
And second, the entire video is meant to help homeowners decide which brands suck in their market using the guidelines set forth in this video. In some markets, a brand may suck that may be better in other markets.
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0:00 Intro Heating and Air Conditioning Brands that Suck
1:20 The Big 3 HVAC Brands in North America
2:31 Criteria for good and bad HVAC brands - Parts Availability
3:06 Criteria for good and bad HVAC brands - Warranty
4:15 Criteria for good and bad HVAC brands - Who do the pros sell?
5:30 Builder Grade HVAC brands are not as good as the premium ones
7:31 Imported HVAC brands are lower quality than those made in North America
8:25 Some HVAC systems are just lower quality materials
9:22 Premium HVAC Brands usually have something proprietary
10:02 Worst Brand in HVAC in North America - Nortek, Nordyne, Maytag, Broan
10:59 Research and ask for referrals
11:32 Why do you sell this HVAC brand?
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I think if you badge a video with "HVAC brands that suck" you should give us brands that suck!
Back in 2009 I had to replace my Carrier system. In my research for a new system I found that the installers with brand names on their truck felt their brands were the "best on the market" and most said the other brands suck. So I talked to old HVAC repairman and got a few of his observations that changed my selection criteria completely. He said "look, there are only a few suppliers of gas valves, compressors, main control boards, etc. on the HVAC component market. The "big names" generally use the same components as the lesser name companies, and his experience was that the fancy names break just as often if not more than the unfamiliar ones." So I changed my criteria and made my selection based on the components used INSIDE the cabinet instead of the name on the outside of it. I actually bought my system over the internet and had it installed by a local HVAC company and saved a substantial amount of money. If you buy cheap, expect to get cheap, but if you buy the better or best grade of unit even from the less fancy nameplates, there is a good chance that you will get a better value for your money than the big name units. (Don't forget that those fancy brand TV commercials cost money) I found that I could even buy parts for my furnace on Amazon at a huge discount off list - imagine that!
Nice. Sounds like you made out well
The experienced old repairman is truly correct. Parts for cheaper units are still used in the expensive units if the task is the same. For the most part, in any appliance, the lower end models have the same parts as the high end units minus the bell and whistle. Its the marketing B.S. that you have to ignore because that is how they sell the higher end units and there's tons on money invested in marketing so the higher end units tend to have less value for the price. I think they all do something well if installed correctly so the main focus would be in how much they will cost to run on your gas and electric bill. Some folks can be good will a gravity wall furnace and a couple of window air conditioners and their gas and electric bill will amount to beans compared to a central system that costs much more to run simply because its trying its best to keep equal temps room to room. So, that's probably the area to focus on, how efficient is this or that unit when it is installed correctly. If you plan to stay in the same home for 10 or more years, get the unit that is best on the cost to run.
Years ago before everything was made in China units were very different and made at a price point. Now like Kitchen Aide has the same parts as the cheaper Whirlpool models exactly.
I was thinking of buying my condenser/evaporator on line, but none of the local AC companies would install it . I finally found 1 willing but he would not warranty it--only the labor he did. It may be different in other parts of the country.
@@captinbeyond smart, I wouldnât warranty it either.
SoâŠ. As an industry professional of 15+ years and constantly continuing my education... SOOOO much of the longevity of ANY equipment is the knowledge of and workmanship quality of the installing contractor. Understanding and properly evaluating ductwork and sizing equipment PROPERLY is ALL critical! Good video!
Iâve seen completely issue free 10+ yr old âbuilder gradeâ and catastrophic failures very early on with the highest end equipment.
Thanks pal! Probably the only positive response Iâve received yet. I think everyone wanted me to just get on here and bash A bunch of brands
Evacuating the system down to the proper Micron is essential to compressor life.
No way to stop the piece of shit evaporator coils to not leak refrigerant. Was at a 2019 trane yesterday and the aluminum cap tube is split down the middle, can't braze the aluminum, under a part warranty, still $900 dollar repair with refrigerant, evacuation, labor, shipping. Its a joke
@@racegrubb2152 While I donât wholly disagree with you, I canât help but wonder if that statement is entirely accurate. The difference I have seen in overall longevity just from systems where tight vacuums have been achieved gives me pause.
I like most of your content, but this video teased more than my first high school girlfriend.
I have to agreed. Nothing I can usexwhen I'm trying to do some research trying to decide on a brand.
Wasted my time dude⊠All I get from this video is stay away from trunk slammers. Got it.
Bought a brand new Trane in 9/22.
Trane unit was manufactured in 9/22.
Panama Florida plant orgin.
Model 4WCC4030A1000AB
Lasted 30 days then quit.
Called Trane authorized dealer that sold/installed unit.
Took him 11 months to come back out.
No heat during winter/ no AC during summer, 11 months no service,no show.
Finally comes out and tells me unit has defective coil, will have to be replaced.
Repair man tore brand new AC unit apart in yard. Brand new in pieces, 30 days of service,now scattered across yard.
He was not happy , and neither was I.
Fast foward 90 days ,and I hear some one drilling on my AC unit outside.
I go to window ,but can see no one.
I walk outside to find 2 new holes drilled into side of hvac unit...
Exactly 9 11/16 from edge....Exactly where new coil had just been replaced!!!!!!!
Over $5,000 for a Trane unit that operated less than 100 days total.
Then was sabotaged by someone who knew exactly where the coil is sitting behind panel cover.
Called 1800Trane and asked if installer had been reimbursed for labor,on the warranty claim on the defective unit.
Or did he not get paid for work,and now wants revenge.
Trane would not answer.
Called cops,they said oh well,no witnesses, no case.
Why not take that contractor to court? Call BBB. Call someone! Thatâs outrageous!
I dig this. 10 year HVAC-R service technician. The "chuck in a truck" comment was great. I work for a company full time and pull in decent cash. I've got some friends that need a heat pump, and they're ordering a 16 seer Goodman. They get that it's not the bees knees that they could get from a contractor, but having me do it as a friend and save on labor is worth it for them. They'd go two years without a system with their credit and finances, so it's worth the lack of a warranty.
Remember homeowners, if they don't have an HVAC license in your state, there is no warranty from the manufacturer.
Thanks pal
Itâs get to it, not get too it.
get your old buddy, a friend, a high school classmate to put your system in. See which one has priority... his full-time job or you're broke down unit on the weekend, after hours or holiday.
My Rheem HVAC worked flawlessly for over 24 years. The key was a professional, quality installation and routine annual maintenance! You can certainly pay for the well known names like Carrier, Trane, Lennox but you are paying for their advertising!
Totally agree. Plus very expensive repairs when out of warranty!
In 2008 in one of our facilities we installed 27 ream units all three phase. In 2014 change 21 of the evaporator coils in 2015 change the rest. Reem used to be good but apparently had problems with their evaporator coils we still use rain still having problems with those coils even in units that are 2 years old. I think the problem across the board with air conditioning units in general. Are the quality of the condenser coil or the evaporator coil everything else seems to work pretty decent. Think it has to do with manufacturers cutting corners are building them so they will break down just out of warranty. Does that sound familiar not built like yours from the past keep it
Rheem sorry for the misspelling I hate autocorrect.
Rheem is a good unit , love their condensers,they are sooooo quiet , all you hear is the fan .
Your right , quality installation and maintenance is the key . Unfortunately most people don't care .
Rheem is a well known company. They donât advertise as much as Trane, Lennox, or Carrier. I have noticed that Goodman equipment and parts prices have really gone up. I think Goodman is having trouble recruiting employees because their factory is located in the middle of Nowhere, Texas and they pay less than other manufacturing and engineering companies.
Had a Rheem system (2 ton and 4 ton) in a 2 story that worked great for >25 years. Only replaced both systems because the 2 ton was getting fixed every year so decided to just upgrade the whole system. Was offered several of the high-end brands by several HVAC contractors. Went with another Rheem and it's been strong for 6+ years now.
Just had a 4 ton rheem installed 2 days ago. The temp canât go below 76 in my house. My 20 yr old carrier would drop the temp to 68 or whatever the thermostat was set at.
just replaced my Rheem with another Rheem because it lasted 22 years!
@@Iraqveteran-ke6qu Have your installation come back out and take a look.
yeah - well YMMV, the fan flew off my Rheem outside unit and caused all sorts of damage within 2 years of being new... and my Carriers eat capacitors for breakfast almost once a year (a 4 year old unit is on its third). The reality is everything built now as an appliance is mostly cr*p... regardless of brand... That's my experience...
Pay me now or pay me later ? 2023 / part replacers ? limited warranties/
Spoiler alert: Nortec Brands (which includes Gibson, Maytag, Broan and others (see10:39) tries to avoid warranty responsibility, so beware.
Thanks!
My workplace had a "Dependable 92" furnace/ac installed, some time later the HVAC guy claimed the heat exchanger was cracked, I change the filters on all the units every Monday, he claimed the filter was dirty and that caused the crack, yet you you could see light thru it easily.
I got the paperwork out about the "lifetime" or whatever it was warrantee on the heat exchanger, and here's the cute way they get out of the warrantee- the paperwork detailed the filters and that the warrantee is void blah blah blah, so basically they worm out of replacing the cracked heat exchanger under warrantee by claiming you didnt change the FILTER often enough!
So I told the HVAC guy essentially something like;
"So you are tying to tell me that despite the crapload of sensors for the intake air, a blocked exhaust sensor, the temperature limit and on and on, that THE most expensive part in the whole furnace doesn't have a sensor that shuts the furnace OFF if the heat exchanger gets too hot???" I said a few other choice words too and he left, suddenly the heat exchanger which worked fine, didnt need replacing after all??
The whole scene told me exactly HOW they get out of that part of the warrantee and it's IMPOSSIBLE to prove you changed the filters or changed them often enough, even sales receipts could be dismissed by claiming they arent valid, you let the filter get too dirty between changes, or you returned the filters and didnt actually install them! Basically the warrantee isnt worth the paper its printed on.
Your videos offer excellent information. Those who complain about too much talk are missing the mark. People lack patience and have short attention spans. Donât shorten your videos because of these kinds of complaints. Many of us appreciate thoroughness and listen patiently. Great job. I just wish your company had branches here in north Texas. I am in the market for a new AC whole house for a 3570 sq. ft. home and I feel like every company I talk to hustles and double talks constantly. Your video is helping. Thanks again.
Thank you for your kind words!
I have a Goodman and Airease system that are both 20+ years oldâŠ.
I have replaced the capacitor on both but nothing elseâŠ
Why would I want anything else more expensive?
I love the thread here! I know it is all about HVAC but the same thing is happening in Residential Appliances like Refrigerators, Washer and Dryers, Dishwashers, Stoves, etc! From what I am seeing in reviews of Kitchen and Household appliances = Nothing lasts longer than a year anymore! Who is behind this stuff pushing crap out the door and taking our money? And it is BIG money they take these days! My 2 cents worth. Retired Person
They also put all these stupid sensors all over appliances now that cause then not to work and on some once you do the research is almost cheaper to throw it away and buy a new one
My Summit refrigerator was bought brand new in 2008 it never had one problem, its a BASIC fridge, no ice/water in the door krap or electronic controls. Same with my Speed Queen washer- mechanical dials NO electronics
Interesting! When my 19-year-old Tempter failed I did a very detailed search for a replacement before I even called an AC contractor. What I found is that there were very little differences between most of the brands. I compared Trane, American standard, Rheem, Goodman, Daikin, Amana, Bryant Lennox and Tempstar. Trane and American standard were essentially the same item with different color chassis and badge, even the warranty was the same. Goodman, Daikin and Amana were much of the same except Daikin had a longer warranty. I ended up going with Daikin because of the warranty and I knew parts were readily available since you can get Goodman parts everywhere. It is my opinion that the installer is way more critical than the unit itself and there are some crappy installers out there. My new home came a Trane unit, and the install was subbed out to a local AC company, it stopped working twice in less than a month after we closed on the house. They also undersize the return so my grill makes noise every time it runs.
Installer is most important. No one disputes that đ
mine lasted 21 years with a capacitor and fan replacement on the outside unit only.
@@DS-fb9te yes and no.
My Trane is 25 years old and still going strong
@BaltoPitt My home was not built by Ryan Homes but even if you go custom the builders here all share the sames trades. Crappy trades = crappy house regardless of what you pay. My builder used block on a stem wall and 2x6's and 2x4's for the roof. Fl requires hurricane straps for all residential builds. If you want a good home. Get to know the foreman and the trades and go to the site daily if you can to check their work.
Great videos, thanks for helping us with a home's most complex investment! I saw a local contractor offer their own "branded" HVAC system. Does that say anything, good or bad, about their units? I might ask them who is actually providing their equipment - maybe they will say and maybe they won't - but slapping their own name on equipment seems like they would stand behind it, but may limit warranty stuff to them, things like that...
My favorite is the Goodman bashing, primarily by the dealers of the name brands. I have two Goodmans, one 20 years old and another 14 years old.
Looking inside we have:
1) A Copeland compressor. Copeland is a major and respected compressor manufacture.
2) A GE condenser fan motor. Nobody ever accused General Electric as a poor choice.
3) The coil is all copper with aluminum fins - easy to repair a leak.
So what exactly is junk about a Goodman? The sheet metal housing? The easily replaced $25 capacitor?
I agree, I have had Goodman since 2004 and havenât had a single issue.
I have had the exact same performance from my 21 year old Goodman, and am delighted with it. Only two failures in 24 years, none of which made by Goodman. It took me a year of research to decide to buy, and I have never regretted it. I just regret all the bashing Goodman takes only because they put dents in the dealer's profits. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Goodman HVAC, and they don't deserve the beatings they get from the whole industry.
i had a good men package heat pump Bristol Compressor, e22. it was vert great at cooling , i dont see how it was Goodmens problem the Compressor got destroyed by Lighting, some times in life there is a thank you god Moment in life , a HVAC company drop a 3 ton goodman gas pack, it could no be installed because of a big dent in the Condenser coil or be Warrantied, the company gave it to me for free, only 1 cap failed 10 dollars in parts and 1 pressure Switch failed 15 dollars great units for the money and parts are every where
What kind of 3 ton system would you recommend for a hot humid summer climate like south Texas? I'm interested in a variable speed system. I have a gas furnace BTW.
thank you for creating this channel. Your content is quite useful and informative for people like me who are less close to this type of technology. Keep up the good work!
Thanks pal!
So, I am getting ready to redo my system. My AC, furnace and water heater are all 20 years old.
I am in Central California and my contractor likes Ruud, Rheem. Or even suggested Bosch. He is going to send me a couple of quotes this week.
I am also kicking around going to and air handler instead of a furnace. Does any near my area have an air handler, and if so how do you like it? How do you like how it heats the house as opposed a furnace?
It seems like it may be more expensive in the long electricity wise but I have also seen that it might actually be better as it is quieter and keeps the temp in your house more stable.
Any info on AC and heater/furnace would be appreciated.
Just replaced a 15 year old Rheem that was working (not sure how efficient but it cooled and heated the 1661' home) with a 4T 16 seer Carrier that sucks. Installed 1/6/23 and the tech has come back once to 'adjust' and then to replace the stat. It still blows cool air on heat and tho it is a dual speed it only kicks on high if the stat is upped a few notches which is manual. Still short cycling on high and air is warm but not 'hot' on 72 degrees.
@@joepetreng471 Believe it or not I did tell the HVAC professional that I needed a 3.5 ton based on my online 'reserarch'. He disagreed.
I just got a new payne ! Really actually impressed with the quality. Last of the psc motors . So I grabbed it . Rental house that has a trane in it now that has done well for 15 years . Setting the manometer gas pressure is the key for a long life in my opinion. Have a few ducting issues but that's why I wanted the psc again.
Awesome
If they won't take care of a pro they won't give a rat's posterior about me. I'm upfront about all my experiences with automotive and other equipment and it's a joy to see contractors express their preferences. A contractor who doesn't market anything and works on everything (like my HVACbro who taught me how to replace heat pump compressors) and is highly experience is my preference.
It is all a game and we consumers are the pawn pieces. Most companies push the brand/brands that they sell or most likely get a cut on when they sell them. Itâs deceitful but unfortunately we donât have much choice when most of us is just trying to get an affordable system to keep warm and cool.
My Rheem 2.5 ton A/C with scroll was installed in 1995........I do maint every year and its never worked better. I called a company for a quote and they came out and told me these old Rheems are tanks and they don't build units like these anymore. He said they have replaced these units that have lasted 35 years so im going to let it run!!
I have a 1997 Rheem. Not one hiccup. Northest, so summer is maybe 10 weeks strong. I maintain it the best I can. I'll try 10 more years.
I just got a new lennox variable speed. I have mixed feeling, itâs had problems already within the first 8 months of ownership. The heater kept saying something like some exhaust valve or whatever was an issue and in late summer last year the air conditioner kept saying stuff about over pressure. The thermostats kept saying âunable to communicate with equipmentâ also when I run the âfanâ the fan circulates the air on one unit but with fan âonâ with the other unit it doesnât circulate the air. Iâm hoping itâs just all little bugs that have to be worked through BUT Iâm not excited for the years ahead of this keeps up. As for in house comfort itâs amazing and they are so soooo quiet.
Iâm sorry to hear youâve had so many issues. Hopefully they get that all straight
I worked for a company that installed Lennox and the amount of issues that the Lennox communicating systems would have for seemingly no apparent reason was astounding. I started refusing to sell the stuff because I would go into homes of customers that were unhappy with their purchase years later. They would have to have us come out routinely to fix issues and as soon as it would seem the system was working properly it would have some new error code. Lennox never had any answers either even if we did everything they would tell us to. Some of the systems did work well but many of them seemed to always have issues. The sales guys at that company were clueless to this issues and actually incentivized to sell more via a higher commission rate. Good luck to you
@@NewHVACGuide itâs all good, you didnât install it lol and the company that did install it has been responsive. So far. The only issue thatâs still left is the one where I turn on âfanâ and one of the units doesnât circulate. Itâs funny because the fan comes on for heating and cooling but when I turn on the fan the fan doesnt respond. Thank you for the video! Also I didnât buy Lennox because Iâm hooked on some brand. I got it because I had multiple vendors out to my house and I really wanted fully variable speed because itâs HOT like 6 months a year where I live and wanted the comfort and energy savings. So I had a Goodman installer come out and they didnât even know Goodman had a variable speed, I had to tell them about it. Then I had a contractor come out that was a trane installer. I told him I want variable speed and he said âif you want variable speed I will only install a heat pumpâ I have natural gas, itâs cheaper than running the air conditioner (heat pump) in the winter for me. I asked him why he wouldnât install a trane variable speed, he said because the variable speed gas furnaces have lots of problems. There is no way I wanted a heat pump. I called another contractor out and they didnât show up. Then another contractor came out to give me a quote and they were very clearly on something, the guy twice forgot why he was even at my house. Then the final contractor, the one who put my system in my house was the most professional of them all, provided multiple detailed quotes for me to consider between different systems and options and gave detailed expectations for me to have. So it was more of, I didnât really have a choice, Lennox was the only brand they sold. They have had excellent customer service, when the heater wasnât working mid-winter they were out next day. When the thermostat was messing up, they were out next day. They are coming out soon for the one year complimentary service, Iâm hoping theyâll figure out the fan issue.
@@alexsystems2001 Iâm glad to hear they are taking care of you. Makes a difference. Even the best companies have a unit that gives them issues sometimes.
@@redsadventures5654 Eeek! That sounds awful pal. What's your goto brand now?
If youâve compared Goodman to Daikin, I would love to see the video as I just thought the difference was color and a slightly longer warranty.
Goodman, Daikin, & Amana are all the same since Daikin bought Amana. Most say they're middle to lower in reliability.
@@debidee5548 I have a 2006 Goodman 13 seer 5 ton running in Tucson AZ. Just cap changed this year. Itâs been very reliable. Furnace is mid 90âs Carrier Weathermaker. It had a board changed about 10 years ago.
@@znrctrnn but are they still good nowadays ?
I have a Nordyne GGRA120C-16 120,000 btu that was installed in 1999 and is still going strong (knock on wood). The only issues I've ever had are the ignitor needing to be replaced ($35), the flame sensor replaced ($12), and the motor capacitor ($11) replaced. And I did all that myself (non-hvac person) very easily. It helps to understand the order of operation for the firing sequence and how to temp bypass sensors to troubleshoot, but super easy. That being said, my new installer has an Amana 96% high efficiency with two stage burner and variable speed fan that I may go with when this Nordyne fails (knock on wood again - lol). I really think they are reliable, at least the model I have, made during the time period I bought. Companies can change and I can't comment on the warranty work because I just did the work myself - but in total this Nordyne has cost me $58 in 25 years. I do have a Honeywell whole house electronic air filter that I religiously clean every 3 months, so maybe that has helped with its longevity?
Having worked in this field, nearly all brands are super reliable built to last up to 25 years. Nearly all brands have competitive specs, performance, and warranties. The end customer (homeowner) will never know the difference. The real differences are serviceability and customer service experienced by the direct customer (dealer/installer). For example, if you look at modern furnaces made within the past few years, Trane/American Standard are the best for service as they are easy to take apart and put back together very quickly. Goodman are the best for purchase price, but it will take ALOT of work to replace major components because of the # of things you need to move out of the way. Therefore, Goodman labor costs will be higher.
What about Lennox? Is it pretty easy to replace parts?
@@MrGrenade121 Avoid Lennox. I have their highest line unit that came with my home here in Texas. The iComfort system thermostat broke and they want over $1,000.00 to replace it. Also since it's a "connected/communicating" thermostat and you can't replace it with a generic or nest thermostat. Connected doesn't mean wifi...it means communicating with the blower. I wish these videos would address a situation like this and if everybody knew, nobody would be a sucker enough to by Lennox. In other words, Lennox does NOT stand by it's product.
I have two Goodmans on my residence; original builder installed units. Bought this house new.... in 1991. 'Nuf said. I have done nothing special in maintaining these units- if fact, if anything, grossly under-maintained by HVAC industry standards- one of the units has never, and I mean never been touched (completely free of A/C tech sabotage). The other is on its 3rd condenser fan motor- that's it! Oh, and I suppose it's worth mentioning that they churn in 100 to110+ summertime temps- Las Vegas. I find it hard to justify replacing them other than for efficiency reasons.
My 20 year old Kenmore 3 ton condenser unit and 26 year old Nordyne Evaporator coil never saw a maint. tech to clean, adjust, or as you say, tech sabotage although I would clean the condenser myself every other year or so.
Excellent videos, and clearly you know what you're doing and are smart. One question - do you serve Spotsylvania County? Thanks!
I'm getting my AC replaced in my Condo, the contractor wants to replace with a Ruud condenser paired with a First CO UCQB series air handler I can't find many reviews online about them but I see they are made in the USA, but only offers a 1 year warranty. Should I go with the first co?
@scottdawson9337 Firstco is Pure Junk.
Great video ,we live in the costal region of Alabama. HVAC is big down here. We found a contractor down here that a friend who rental property. They sell Trane. We have a Trane condensing unit that is over 25 years old and still runs like a champ. The air handler was replaced in 08 and is an American Standard. The evaporator coil is rusting but what don't rust down here. We bought the house about 2 years ago and I don't think the previous owners took care of the unit very well. When it goes ,we will go with the contractor we use and get a Trane.
I live in Nevada (the Reno area) and it gets hot in the summer - I have a Trane and, just like their commercial says, "You can't stop a Trane." Six years it's been in the side yard and not a single glitch ...
The financing link, is that what you use and is it usually favorable.?
Yes that's what I use. I'm not saying the rates are going to beat everyone but they are reasonable and they don't allow someone to hard fees like a lot of contractors like to do with their financing.
Any thoughts on the Trane XR13 13 SEER 4TTTR3048 ($1,500 savings) vs the York 17 SEER split system R410A? Or Trane XR16 for +$200 over York
Yes, 13 SEER will cost more to run over the time. Besides, 13 SEER is the lowest allowed by the EPA, may as well spend a bit more and save on power if power rates are a concern.
Do not get micro channel
Good thing about Maytag is that they are consistence across the board with oven ,washer machine and etc, they suck
It's really sad to me that Maytag was the finest ever, that is, until Whirlpool bought the company. The only washer I'd let in the house today is a Speed Queen, and I'm facing having to do that being my Maytags had their 30th birthday, and the parts prices have been run intentionally through the roof.
completely useless info, WHY put this on line????
I've worked on commercial building automation systems since 1979. Here are my opinions of the most common problems, in order.
Bad engineering for the specific use. (usually due to copy/paste methods).
Bad installation (always due to lack of experience).
Bad maintenance (usually due to penny pinching).
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As the video said: do the research, consult with multiple contractors, go with simple systems, and don't be dazzled by claimed energy savings (they are calculated from idealized factory test beds).
One repair can wipe out years of savings.
Thoughts on Champion heat pumps made by Johnson Controls?
There is so much to consider depending on where you live! Where I live Carrier is over priced and parts are expensive and warranty parts are hard to get in a timely manner!
I have had a Janitrol in since 1999. Only had to change the glow plug a few times.
The pressure switch just went. Only issues I have had. I know Goodman doesn't have the greatest reputation but it has worked for me.
Anyone ever install an Ox Box?
Hereâs my 2 cents worth as a service tech, MOST brands are going to be ok, someone out there will have a really bad experience with every brand, even when itâs installed correctly. Here are some points for me
-availability, can you get the part? This is why I avoid Lennox and anything under them. You can only get Lennox parts if you are a Lennox dealer. So if you are a small company (or a big one) that sells something else. Well, to bad! You have to call the Lennox specific guy, and they might not even have it!
-I worked on 4 major brands carrier, rheem, trane, and Lennox.
Rheem & trane have been the best in my experience ( a lot less major fixes)
Carrier has had BIG problems in the past 5-10 years and seem to have fixed some of them. Although, I still do not trust them.
And Lennox? Well they are good, but a pain to fix over all other brands (if you go with a company that doesnât sell Lennox)
There you go!
i agree Lennox is a PITA!
How do you feel about MITS AIR Side Discharge Inverter Air Conditioners? I'm considering buying it for the lower noise.
American Standard / Trane for me. Unfortunately, like the rest of the assembled in the USA brands, seeing made in China or Mexico on some part labels sucks. They all do that though. Thankful to see made in the USA on the Trane / Copeland Alliance compressor. Improper installation and set up can detrimental to performance and longevity of any brand.
I just took pics of my last American Standard install. There were no "Made in the USA" labels on any parts. We just assemble a bunch of junk from around the world. No wonder were going down the tubes.
Who makes the quietest mini-split indoor units?
Flex ducts are disposable with a life span of about 20 years. Very difficult to clean the inner plastic. Usually installed improperly and will leak. Put your ducts in conditioned spaces like a soffit. Or use mini splits.
Flex is warranty is 50 yrs, can't mess up the install, window units last twice as long as mini splits, most are garbage
The Goodman AC I purchased in 2001 was reliable. I replaced it after 21 years. The compressor was still going strong but the evap coil developed a leak so I decided to part with. I canât speak for the ones they are making today.
Their furnaces arenât bad but Goodman seems to have a problem with their evap coils.
More about the installation than the unit, but I agree there are some sucky units out there. Stick with the name brands, but make sure the installing company is reputable. Too many jack legs who don't do things necessary to make a good clean install. The piping should be new and kept as clean as possible during the install. As few as possible joints should be used and tubing should be reamed. Nitrogen should *always* be used on a new install. Leak inspection should always be completed and a good vacuum run when no leaks are found. Instrumentation should be used to charge the unit properly by someone who knows how to use it. If these steps are followed by the installer, quality brands should give 15-20 years service. I think one of the most important things about the unit itself is the compressor used. Should look for a condensing units which use Copeland compressors.
Please let me know if Grand air is a good system
Great video! I would like to add Ruud/Rheem as a recommended brand. I am a AC contractor in the Tampa area and have had very few callbacks after installation. That being said, I agree with your assesment of Nordyne. As for Goodman or Daiken or whatever they call it now, to me it will always be Janijunkđ
What are your thoughts on the Bosh Units?
I am scared to say my Rudd is going strong for 25 years now , lucky
Are you in St Pete by any chance? Not real happy with the company I went with. They're sending someone out tomorrow, it might be their last chance. LMK
Our company sells a "side brand" and it offers many high end units as well....the sad part, even though it's the same product, has given us far less trouble than the premium equivalent units. The warranties are also better... The product itself is not marketed as a builder product, but as a different brand altogether.
Care to share the brands pal?
Consumers Union had a hard time finding any difference between brands.
The industry does all it can to eliminate any market accountability. Contractors are typically limited to who they represent (restricted trade agreements with protected territories) or who the local suppler carries.
10 years ago I turned something into the FTC and they are still working on the case no word back yet. Since the company is worth billions I don't think I will ever hear what happened even though I am to get a certified letter telling what their finding are when the case is closed.
Not true. Consumer Reports found that Trane (and American Standard - a Trane brand) stood out for reliability and customer satisfaction.
Heads up - If your coolant gas leaks out - That is not under warranty - Have a leak check as part of the installation!
What do you think between Rheem vs Amana ? Identical quotes/specs. Why either one over the other ? Thanks ! Very informative..
Amana...Daikin is the largest manufacturer and parts will be made likely the longest and be more available plus they are in Texas so shipping will be equal time east or west coast. Daikin is a Japanese company who took over Amana a few years back as well as Goodman.
@@Garth2011 are you saying Daikin and Amanda the same ?
@@mariec.2776 No, but Amana is owned by Daikin just like Goodman is.
@@Garth2011 which one is the best ? I got confused reading all these comments , I don't know what to buy anymore .
@@mariec.2776 It's not an easy answer because most systems require careful installation processes and because humans are the ones who design and build the "breathing" duct systems that HVAC uses, they highly rely on the installers to put them in according to manufacturers recommendations. There is much to consider so in a nut shell, the contractor installing a system is about 70% part of how a system will run correctly and for how long, problem free. That said, the installers would be a more important concern than the make of the HVAC system. Trane, Lennox, Amana, Goodman are decent systems. Carrier has been iffy.
So who were the brands that sucked? I must have missed that part.
I canât find any info on the new Airtemp side discharge units. Does anyone know anything about them?
Thanks for calling a spade a spade. I had a new dealer installed Nutone system (which I think is part of the Nordyne/Nortek dysfunctional family), and they claimed my dealer didn't submit the paperwork for the warranty. When I pointed out that I had my original receipt showing when it was installed, and it was a Nutone dealer, they still refused to honor the part or labor.
A second point:
Thereâs little sense in having the best equipment installed by a hack contractor. Installation details can erase any expected efficiency gains or reliability.
I had an estimate that said a "trane, american standard or equivalent" heat pump and furnace would be installed, and they installed an "ecoer". Is that a good brand? I see so little info about it.
May be a private label brand. Definitely not a Trane product
Figure this into the equation: HVAC Manufacturers buy a bunch of parts and assemble the unit, paint the shell, slap their logo on the front and call it a day!
The parts differ by manufacturers design, but the components are all made by the same manufacturers.
Itâs not like these things sophisticated designs. Theyâre an ensemble of copper tubing plumbing unions, relaysâŠ.
Every single one of them are over priced for whatâs really there. Technological innovation in the HVAC market is non-existent.
Good lord! Theyâre still pushing the lie that gas furnaces are cheaper to operate than electric. Gas was cheaper in the 80âs & 90âs when NG prices remained steady and relatively cheap. As the power companies got everyone switched over the NG prices have increased exponentially. NG prices have increased between 7-9% each year while the actually NG price has plummeted. The increase is to absorb the losses power companies acquire when Stateâs force them to invest in wind turbines and other âgreenâ energies that donât work.
You gotta remember though, heat pumps have a much shorter life span than straight a/c. So I don't believe you are going to make up the cost in electricity the replace a whole system years earlier compared to a few months of gas usage per year
I am expecting a Rheem RA1336AJINA 3 ton HVAC to be installed in my house this Thursday. THe SEER rating is 13 - 15.5. Is this a good unit, or should I cancel the installation?
I had a new 2.5 ton Rheem system installed in 2012, I've had no issues. YMMV
There are much better units out there. The minimum Seer you should consider is 16. I have been a general contractor for over 30 years. I purchase between 6 and 10 systems every year for my projects. I will not buy anything less than a 19 Seer. For my current project, my Ac contractor just put in a 25 Seer LG unit.
my rheem was installed in 2008. still running. had to replace capacitors a few times.
I had a tech come out and said he could install a ârescue motorâ with 40 day warranty and would install today vs. order the manufacturer motor with 1 year warranty. What do you think about this rescue??
Rescue motors come with the one year warranty off the shelf no matter who buys it as long as they are heating in air technician. Your heating and air guy giving you a 40 day warranty on a motor sounds pretty shady. Are you sure he is licensed? The rescue motors are just as good as a manufacturer motors in my opinion. I have installed 100s of rescue motors over the course of my career
Warranties used to be offered by manufacturers as a show of faith in the quality of their product. Now warranties are an insurance commodity. "You wanna pay for the warranty on this POS? No? OK, good luck, yer on your own, pal." Translation: either way, your'e on your own.
While I'm young.
Sorry pal
Donât ask any questions, Iâm out of time
Big 4.. includes those plus Lennox.
Goodman is the largest selling brand in North America based on its quality to price ratio.
Trane and American Standard have the best coils and compressors which happen to be the most expensive components in any brand split system repair.
Lennox parts are the most expensive after youâre outside of the original manufactures warranty.
Goodman and Carrier/Bryant parts are the cheapest of the top 4.
FWIW the longevity and the performance of the system is 50% the equipment and 50% the technician that puts it in. In other words, Iâd rather have a Goodman system perfectly installed than a Trane system slopped in by somebody whoâs cutting corners and doesnât know what theyâre doing. Sad thing is you probably wonât know until a few years or as much is seven or eight years later if youâre paying the price of a poor installation or a inferior product. đ
I was pretty set on getting a 2 stage trane, but then starting seeing all these things about their compressors not being great anymore amd that they are using LG. I've been stuck between bosch 2.0, trane xl17i, and maybe goodman gszc18. Last 2 are 2 stage which I feel like will prove to be more reliable? I see hate on bosch but I also see a lot of praise given its installed and sized properly. Not sure you'll see this but just trying to gwt all the input possible.
What other HVAC equipment besides Daikin, Trane, and Carrier do you sell?
I just want something that doesn't break all the time
Your not the only one who mentioned Nortek. I've inquired with a view HVAC techs about replacing my system (Trane). Nortek came up about warranty. They said stay away. Thanks for backing that up.
Glad I could help đ
Is a carrier 3 ton 14 or 16 seer good for a south TX đ„đ„” 1500sqft house?,
Yes 650sq foot per ton
1 ton = 12000 btu. If anything Iâd go 3.5 ton if u can find. Better be 1/2 size large then small on ac. As long as u have the proper air flow
My house was built in 1997 came with with a Rheem system it has performed very well every year in 26 years with oem parts i am just replacing parts now, not because it needs to but of the age the fan, the contact switch, capacitor
Purchased a Daikin variable speed A/C. Top of the line. Been through 3 compressor control boards, and am waiting for the arrival of my second control board for the air handler. Also, i'm on my fourth compressor coil and have replaced the condensor coil, and the thermistor. In each case the arrival for the parts took days so no a/c here in Florida. While I'm waiting for the control board, the tech cannot even check the compressor for a suspected refrigerant leak, because the board won't allow the proper pressure to develop. So, days for the board, and I might have to replace the coil again. Daikin has a good warranty. You'll need it. Oh, it's great on electricity because it doesn't run much of the time. Many contractors in my area but now none of them will sell Daikins. The unit is less than five years old.
I donât think Daikin is the problem based on your story. Of the hundreds of Daikins I have installed, I havenât replaced as many of the the parts youâre saying have failed on this one unit.
Had a Trane system that I finally had to replace in 2020 after a faithful 55 years. When calling around, I told one contractor that the unit was over 50 years old, and they said yeah-right. While waiting for them to come out, I found the original paperwork from the original home owner and it was actually 55 years old. Needless to say, I went with a new American Standard (Trane). If this one lasts that long, it will be way past how long I last! Hoping this one will be my end of life unit.
You are making me feel stupid. I had a Trane heat pump that gave very few minor issues and it was 26 years old. I live in the hot humid South and was afraid it was at the end of its life and replaced it, terrified it would break down in the summer and I would have to wait weeks to get a new unit. Thinking now, it wasn't the best decision.
We replaced our split air conditioner system Trane units after 23 years with Trane. We didn't want to be caught with the older teams needing parts, and the air handlers were just starting to leak coolant. Was it a waste of money? We don't think so because it's hot and we have had zero issues.
@@bogieman101 It might have been a good decision! Your old unit uses R22 that is no longer used and very expensive if you can find it. Plus, the newer one will use less power.
I live in a location that gets a lot of lightning strikes. The power is underground, but to be safe I just put an Intermatic AG3000 HVAC surge protector on the compressor unit. In your experience, how useful are surge protectors, either whole house or dedicated? My Goodman is well past warranty, so I'll have to pay for the parts and labor. I figured that if it prevented a single problem, that $76 was well spent.
I hve a 20+ year old York Stellar Plus 92.5% efficiency, still working but is now showing signs that it might be time to invest in a new one soon, but I heard York no longer do residential HVAC and are now exclusively industrial. I had Costco do a free estimate on a new unit and the contractor quoted me over $13K for a 96% efficiency Lennox for a 1100 sq ft house. A buddy of mine told me that a lot of contractors go with brands that give them the most profit margin and sell units that their company get discounts on. That is sad for the industry if HVAC contractors are the new "used car dealers".
Is there a cost for the air handler and the compressor or just one cost for the entire system
Package units are all in one. However, a split system would be two separate components and prices.
How do you feel about Air Pro systems?
They're relabeled York/Coleman. I'm not a fan but some are
@@NewHVACGuide I'm sorry, I meant AC Pro..I guess it's a big difference between the two. What are you feelings about AC Pro?
My only comment as a 40+ year HVAC&R tech and contractor is some of the âgoodâ name brand equipment is some of the parts are extremely expensive examples control boards, venters, âŠ
With a very few exceptions most as for reliability are close to the same, if installed properly
I had a Coleman (which I heard was bought out by Goodman now?), installed on the 4th of July weekend in 2005. By the second year, some valve went out and we didnât have any heat in the winterâŠ.but the AC still worked. We went on that way for several years, just using room heaters in the winter, it is Arizona after all, so we didnât need heat as much as we needed the AC.
Finally, after a few years, we had the repairman come to fix the central heat, and he said that he âweldedâ the new valve on so that it shouldnât do that again. Guess what? It didnât even last that whole winter! We were back to room heaters againâŠ..and still are as I write this.
We still have the same ac unit here in 2024, and Iâm hoping it still holds out. Weâve never had any problems with it coolingâŠ.but heating? Ha! Thatâs non-existent!
When I am going to buy a furnace I will be looking at how much it costs to replace the inducer motor & on some cases it is half the price of the furnace. From my experience it needs to be replaced every seven years.
I always make the contractor break out the cost of the unit, and labor. So I can decide which is the best option. I like simple controls one stage maybe two with no complex control boards. I like copper coils. I also hate digital txv(EEV) valves. I also donât care about brands
If you donât mind paying higher utility bills, no problem!
@@NewHVACGuide yep in the North there is almost no savings($3k over 15 years) that is large enough to offset the crazy install cost that contractors want(high end install).
Gotcha. Unfortunately in a few years, Iâm afraid you probably wonât have a choice. Single stage systems are going to become a thing of the past
Now that ducted inverter mini split systems can heat a home in -22 degrees. I also think single stage systems time is about to expire.
a little savings in efficiency is negated when problems arise..wives really get verbose when ac don't work
Having to recently purchase a new system, previous heat pump system came with the house and was only 6 years OLD and had 2 leaks in the evap coil and 1 at the compressor, why isn't there more transparency in the price of these units? I had quotes as much as $6K different for the same system. Many industries/trades provide cost the system and cost of the labor. HVAC just seem to provide a total with limited info on what they are going to do. What was I getting for the extra $6K from the highest quote over the lowest quote? I had to really ask a ton of questions and become more than an expert to decide what to do.
I'm a tech . My favorite is Goodman. I have a Goodman and it's a all around affordable .
Awesome! Iâve got one too
Goodman, is your favorite? I don't know I'm no Goodman hater I install them, however That affordability comes at the cost of quality in manufacturing. Also where I live I can buy Payne equipment for cheaper than Goodman equipment, and the Payne is in my opinion just way better manufactured. However I will say since Goodman has fixed the issues with their evaporative coils leaking, their not horrible air conditioning equipment I just would not put one on my house.
@@brianwhite167 I'm not saying your wrong I just haven't run into many problems with Goodman and it seems like they build there equipment about as tech friendly as possible. It also can be climate I live in south mississippi it's hot 9 to 10 months out of the year Goodman is made better for the heat in my opinion though everyone's different
@@brianwhite167 now Rheem would probably be the best down here the reversing value energizes in heat so it's alot more efficient for hotter climates. I just personally love Goodman they are easy to work on and seem to run well for me.
@@familyman1071 I agree 100% about Rheem equipment I love it, and if you're installing a heat pump I don't see why people go with anything else. If your reversing valve solenoid coil fails, which I know isn't a common issue but does still happen with a Rheem unit you still have an AC, and a heater.
I have a Goodmen been solid so far 5 years now.
From my Hvac tech parts for them are easy to come by if I ever need something
I foolishly bought into the Trane hype for a gas furnace. Noisy inducer fan because it came with a chipped blade. $800 control board failed just before end warranty. But they forgot to include a new igniter because the new board supplies 120v instead of the previous 80v. That is their practice, but they failed to follow it. Therefore the old igniter fried days after warranty. Their computer database updates are delayed, so they sent out another 80v for my serial #! It also fried! Off the shelf, same silicon nitride unit, about $40. Trane price I had to pay, $120. I fought them because they made the mistakes. They pretend to have a customer complaint department, but all you get is boilerplate answers. In my case, they replied with a boilerplate letter that explained that they have no control over the FREON supplier! I replied that they have my GAS FURNACE file mixed up with another AIR CONDITIONING customer. They replied that they have responded and that therefore my file is closed! I had to eat the hundreds in costs to fix their mistakes.
Wow! Thatâs some Bullshit right there! Any company that thinks itâs too big to deal fairly with itâs customers is a company i want to avoid!
i live in sarasota florida what do you think of a trane xr 14.6 4TTR4060N
My home came with a Comfortair system it lasted 10 years in lightly used New England.
I would put Bosch and Mitsubishi up there as as âpremiumâ brands if we are talking split systems. Bosch has the best inverter heat pumps IMO
Mitsubishi is a good one for sure.
Bosch is good. I put on in my home. However, being that theyâre not communicating, Iâd have to disagree that they are best.
Their technology is at a disadvantage if comparing apples to apples.
Mitshubishi for mini splits
Bosch for split forced air
100%
In the winter time and your heat exchanger goes out and your told it will take 4 months for it to come in and it under 20 years warranty. This just happened they said to get the heat exchanger that was under 20 year warranty and recall I had to pay the parts house $2250.00 and in 3 months they would issue me a store credit. I let the customer listen in on the call so they know it is not me screwing them. This customer had nothing better to do then stay on the phone all day. When she disturbed the vice president of the company on his vacation the parts house called me and waved the $2250.00. The company try's to make it impossible for the company trying to do the warranty work so the customer has to get a new furnace and the warranty work is not done.
ANY OPINIONS ON WATER FURNACE GEOTHERMAL?
I see on the Rheem site how much testing and attention to quality they put into thier products. Yet within a year all the external screws on the compressor outside unit are rusted. For all the engineering hours put into testing you think they would notice the screws rust within months.
A little time and a few bucks fixes that minor issue.
Been doing this for years and haven't seen a screw that didn't rust a couple years in especially if they're taken out for regular maintenance once a year as chucks wear whatever coating is on them.
Is Grandaire good. I am having one put in.
Grandaire is an ICP brand. They have a decent reputation in the industry
I have always stood behind, itâs not so much the brand but the installation that matters most. A poor installation will effect any brand. A Goodman installation to spec will last a lifetime. Second is the maintenance of the unit. Poor maintenance will effect any brand and any installation. Have seen many installers who donât check airflow, static pressure or properly check charge. Many installations have poor duct installation habits, which goes back to the installation.
Iâve seen 45 year old Goodmans still working and some top names fail in a year or less of installation. Is the installer professional, neat and clean. Truck organized and clean. A installer who can print a report showing itâs running to specs including SEER / SEER2 ratings shows they are more dedicated to doing a good professional installation for starters. Are they checking airflow in each room, addressing code or hot room problems or did they blame the duct work.
Idk, if Carrier trusts Midea (and used to use Gree IIRC), and Midea makes most of MRCOOL, Senville and Pioneer, why not?
Iâve been told by HVAC Direct that ACiQ heat pumps are the same manufacturer as Carriers pumps.
Itâs all about LG, Midea ducted mini split system. But I have to say since I started watching your videoâs Iâve become a Goodman dealer. Thereâs nothing wrong with there equipment and the warranty is by far better than any other brand.
Nice to hear pal
I like Mitsubishi and Daikin for Heat Pumps. Ducted and Ductless. I never see any LG or Midea units installed in my area so I don't know about their quality. It's cold here so the Mitsubishi Hyper Heat is amazing.
@@KPHVAC Iâve installed thousand of Dakin and Mitsubishi great unit great quality. As for LG and Midea there in the same class. Mideas price point is less with the same quality. I really like Dakin ductless units extremely well made and a good price.
@@robertmoran3589
Hi can you please tell me if Midea / Moovair is a good quality manufacturer ?
Hi can you please tell me if Midea / Moovair is a good quality manufacturer ?
Trying to get an HVAC system. Current heating guy wants me to install 2 systems in my 1459 sq ft home. He wants to use 3-4 ton system. From what I have read, my house doesn't need a system in attic & basement. I only need (1) 2-ton system in basement. I'm so confused. I'm looking for energy savings. I want at least a 96% efficiency two-stage furnace and a 16-18 SEER two stage a/c system. I'm converting from radiator heating and window a/c units to furnace and central air. My heating guy wants to use Conformaker, but says no 16 SEER, so he wants to use Goodman. I've been trying to get a price on Trane 96% efficiency, two-stage furnace and 16 SEER, but HVAC company not giving me quote as promised. Honestly, I need to know, do I need two furnaces and two A/C units? Can my house even handle two of each? Comfortmaker was brought out by Amanda. I'm not comfortable about the brand, mainly because, if they haven't upgraded to a 16 SEER system, how reliable is their furnace? I keep hearing Goodman is affordable but needs fixing often. I want to try to get the units through wholesale company and get heating guy to install. Right now he is quoting $24000, with $13900 going just for furnace and a/c units. I can buy Goodman 96% efficiency two stage furnace and 16-18 SEER two stage a/c with all needed supplies for $5400. Still waiting for Trane quote. I live in Illinois, it gets 29 below fast. I need reliable system. Is Trane worth the hassle? If I can't get quote, what happens when I need servicing? Please give me honest advice. it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Just put the 5th TXV on a 2014 Carrier split 2 ton. Got caught up in the rust inhibitor crap. This one is stainless and hopefully wonât restrict as easily.
5th is the charm
There is a problem elsewhere if the txv is going out over 2 years.
@@BabyKMoney - a couple of those were from jack leg installers. The company owner came out to do the last one.
You forgot about Lennox. Lennox should be compared to Trane/American Standard & Carrier/Bryant. Those are way above Daikin/Goodman for lots of reasons. I've been doing this for 30+ years and have had my own business for 15 years and I've always seen the worse product support with Goodman/Daikin. Alot of issues come from installation as much as anything.
Gotcha. Iâve talked to guys that feel the same way you do but Iâve talked to just as many that feel the opposite. Honestly, Iâve never been a fan of Lennox but to each their own. I tell homeowners to find a company that believes in what theyâre installing and they will usually be okay
I would never buy a Lennox. Propriety parts are expensive and hard to get sometimes.
Thanks so much! This is truly Great Consumer education. I Live in Miami, Florida, the AC Market here is very Volatile. Like the City.
I like United Technologies Corporation products, particularly Bryant, carrier, and payne in that order. I also like especially if you have a heat pump since the reversing valve engages in heating Rheem equipment. This does not mean I hate train, Lennox (both make some really nice equipment) , or even Goodman/Amana who are my least favorite on the list
Awesome! Are you an HVAC tech? Do you install Bryant mostly?
@@NewHVACGuide I don't know if I can say mostly, however I do install a great deal of Bryant's. This year however so far I've been replying old fur down air handler, and the condensers that go with them. So I've been going back with the First co fur down fan coils, and been using Goodman condensing units, even though I have tried to explained I can get Payne condensing units for about $170 cheaper then the Goodman, and I feel there are superior condensing unit.
UTC is now Raytheon after a 2020 merge. As part of that deal, Carrier was spun off into its own independent company which is now publicly traded under CARR.
In 2020 I had a Bryant 2 stage AC/LNG furnace system installed in a poorly ventilated garage apartment that sees a lot of thermal gain in the summer. I've been fairly happy with its performance considering the 1997 unit it replaced had cost us up to $400/mo in previous summers. Once it died, our power bills fell in half. Since replacing with the Bryant, they're nowhere near what they were. Fingers crossed regarding the future reliability.
@@brianwhite167 since youâve done a good amount of Bryant installs, how much would I be looking at for a complete install for a Bryant 284ANV heat pump and a Bryant 987M furnace? Nothing exact but an estimate.
@@JoelFlores-pn2md well that's all going to depend upon where you live and what contractor you use. As well as the tonnage/furnace output you need I can tell you that is some nice, and expensive equipment you have chosen there, so if you are going send that much protect your investment by going with the a good air conditioner, for both the quality of the initial install as well as if any warranty issues comes up at a later date, because OEM parts for something like that is going to be high dollar.
I live in Texas so we don't install many condensing furnaces as a 80% is More than efficient in my region, and likewise not many people go for 24seer equipment due to the cost restraints. So I don't even know a price range on equipment like that off the top of my head.
Had a Goodman for 10 years and at 9 years 6 months they warranted a compressor for me. I'm a Goodman fan after that experience.
No matter the brand. The equipment is only as good as itâs installed. Thatâs only as good as the Company to honor the warranty. The best brand is the one I can get parts locally at 2am on a 0° night.
In my area there are a lot of York units.
Why don't I ever hear you mention them ?
I have a York working since 2007 and have had little problems although in the extreme weather of Canada .
@@mariec.2776 Glad to hear that, I just installed a York package unit.
So far it's good
I was in HVAC supply house an heard a tech say Goodman sucks. Lol oh ok I had a Goodman 2 ton package heat pump last 21 yrs all original parts except for fan delay circuit board. What can cause any brand to suck is half ass installation thermostat set wrong in extreme temps. That's the suck .