Kaladin and Navani in Rhythm of War | Rhythm of Reviews
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- It's time for us to talk about the main plot of Rhythm of War, with Kaladin and Navani!
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What happened to Honor’s power and when does the Son of Honor get it?!? :P
Warlight being used by whoever bonds Sja-anat fits pretty nicely IMO
The Kaladin jump scene brought me to tears. What a character arch. His whole journey he’s been living out his oath to protect others. We’ve always known that even before he swore to protect but that oath had also been the major source of his depression. This felt like the first oath he really had to earn because he’s been struggling and fighting this ideal since before the events of book one. It really felt like he deserved this one. A beautiful arch for a character whose tried so hard for so long.
I think Raboniel and Lezian were surprised by the glove fabrial because when Navani sent it to Kal it was sent with Dabbid and had a written note and instructions so they weren't discussing it much through the Sibling connection. When she spoke to him she just said something vague like did you get it, ok read the instructions and practice
I would totally be lining up to see Dr Kaladin with a "headache" 😅
I believe its said that Dabed found Kaladin after, Kaladin is rescued from the high storm or at least iit can be assumed as Dabed then went to get help for Kaladin while he was having the visions. Presumably, Dabed could have found him because of the sibling. Also yes I want bit more on Tanvast
When you talk about Kaladin and how you could lose a few of the combat scenes I kinda disagree because I think it's sort of the point that you should get tired of them. By the end of part three you should be as tired as Kaladin is of fighting so I don't think you could lose the scenes. They are supposed to be exhausting rather than exciting because he is exhausted by the time the well happens.
Anyone notice how the two Orders of Radiants that have access to the Surge of Division (Skybreakers and Dustbringers/Releasers) have what seem to be the most restrictive oaths? We've seen the Skybreaker Ideals, and from what little we've seen of the Dustbringers, their Ideals revolve around obedience and self-mastery. I imagine they're like that in part because Division is such a dangerous Surge and can only be allowed to be controlled by the most strict set of rules.
I think Eric's voice gets higher every video.
Man, Navani needs to sit down with Zahel and chat about science, the cosmere, and how to deal with the soul crushing consequences your discovies and inventions!
This is a dream scene
@@heygus20 heck, I'd take it as a dream sequence.
Heck, I'd take as a non cannon short Brandon put out as a joke
28:40-I thought this sequence about kaladin and the glove was also setting up for possibilities with Rysn. If modified to a belt, she could levitate at will. Different gems for different directions and she would be way more mobile than a floating chair. Chirri-Chirri could act as her counter weights/directions maybe ...
HI ERIC! 👋 You were very enthusiastic in the intro. I'm not sure why but that intro made me start laughing at my desk.
I'm not done listening yet, but my favorite thing of Rhythm of War was the Navani development. I loved everything about her sections. Is it just me or was there a lot of unrealized sexual tension between Navani and Raboniel?
One thing I found interesting about Raysium is that it doesn't seem to "interact" (as in it only conducts the investiture and doesn't react/annihilate with it) with anti-voidlight given that both of those things are Odium's investiture.
Why does "solid" and "gaseous" (two different states of similar Investiture) investiture/anti-Investiture don't react ? I am wondering if it because of the god metal being related to the Vessel and the Lights being more of the Shard itself. I am relating the whole "we can't have Atium/Lerasium because Ati and Leras are dead", but we also have "distilling Harmonium can yeild Atium/Lerasium" so who knows. Can we no longer produce Raysium? Will the god metal change for Odium? 😶
Also, how does it "conduct" the investiture? I don't think it's the same as electrons moving through a metal. May be it creates some kind of tunneling effect, similar to the oathgates teleportation trick.
Which also brings up a few other questions, can we make anti-Raysium or any anti-Godmetal in general since that is also a form of Investiture and how (just imagine having an anti-Honorblade, that would be rad)? Can we (not) convert "gaseous" into "solid" (god metal) investiture? What about the liquid shard pools likey the WoA? What happens to a perpendicularity when you throw/take anti-Investiture (of the same shard) through it ? What happens when you stab a Raysium blade into a perpendicularity, does it go through the perpendicularity or does it collapse it?
So many questions.
God metals are a product of solid investiture. The investiture is a product of the Shard itself. Despite the naming convention, we don't have any solid evidence that points to a Shard Holder changing the properties of the respective God metal.
I'm not 100% sure of that. The only God Metals we've seen change is due to the Shards changing form so I'm more inclined to say that the Shard is what matters.
30:30 YES! I wanted Navani to go do manual labor not deliver a huge technological advance to the enemies that Navani could have done herself if the sibling cooperate imo, so when we found out she was being spied on I was like Navani you are a fool. I wanted the sibling to choose Rlain, but I do like the Bondsmith couple going forward and R'lain will have cool powers too. The Sibiling not talking to Dalinar, a Bondsmith, at all I found confusing as well.
Kaladin is my favorite character and I really liked him pioneering mental health, but I wish he talked about what specfically about the 4th ideal was so hard. I think Lirin would have had good advice if he knew what his son was having a hard time swearing. Dalinar showing him the vision of Tien was epic.
We don't really need to see Kaladin talking about how difficult the 4th Ideal is for him because we see it in his character from WoK. He doesn't deal with failure well, and has also never gotten anyone's perspective on that Ideal that actually gets through to him. Lirin tells him that he'll grow numb to failure, his life experiences reinforce that failure to protect people makes everything worse, and even Dalinar doesn't get through to him. It takes a vision to his dead brother to finally break through and get him to realize that he cannot be a slave to his failures.
Basically all of Part 4 of Oathbringer is Kaladin thinking about why the 4th Ideal is so hard.
Isn't the conversation with Dalinar when Dalinar seizes control of the storm & uses it to throw Kaladin back into the tower, or am I misremembering? I've still only read it once :P
Both of those things happen. Dalinar rides the storm twice in this book.
I haven't read ROW yet but ohmygod the amount of terror that I felt when I saw the notification. For a split second I thought Kaladin/Navani became canon.
I literally choked on my drink reading this.
I think the obvious implication for the application of warlight is being used by Sja-Anat's Radiants to great affect.
I wonder if all Bondsmith initial bonds are like that? Both Dalinar and Navani are seen going for what they want with thier bond partner.
#NavaniDidNothingWrong
Is ability to change rhythm of Stormlight important part for exporting it off world? Could Navani now make power that can be used as goods, the thing Ghostbloods are looking for?
if we get more bondsmiths, I like sja-anat making the cultivation-odium light, and ba-ado-mishram being the warlight spren
Sja-anat seems to be most closely aligned with the Surge of Transformation, although instead of matter, she transforms minds. Frankly, I dislike all the theorizing about BAM because we have so little to go on. They build theories on top of their other theories when what we know about her fills less than a page.
Do you think you can cut off a piece of the highstorm and bring it somewhere else?
Are we ever going to see Danielle and Paleo on Shardcast?
They have been on Shardcast.
Love the discussion and I loved the book. From my perspective I found the pacing of the book slow and like a waiting for Superman type of experience. The first 3 books let the radiants display their powers or the growth into their powers. This book they are nerfed for the middle section of the book and you want to see powers but it’s all delayed. The final 200 pages are worth the read but I could have used a faster pace to the read. That being said, looks like book 5 is shaping up to be insane.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Szeth and Kaladin travel together. I feel like they'll have some major disagreements when they get to Shinovar.
Regarding Eric's ruminations on the honorblade, would regular Parshendi be considered "human"?
I'm surprised you guys didn't think the windrunner honorblade was not a thinderclast weapon sooner, all of its descriptions make me think its a blade for killing people even zseth mentions it in the prologue
1:37:31 you guys have probably seen the theory that Hessina is from Kharbranth. Always makes me think this is why is hasnt been revealed. But i cant recall exactly if RoW kinda disproves that theory
It was mentioned somewhere that her father, even though he was a darkeye, could bully the citylord into doing something (or something along those lines). Kharbranth doesn't have a citylord.
@@jwinget1999 ah ok. Good to know, thanks!
Lirin and Hesina talk about her hometown in Lirin's interlude.
Something I just realized they never used anti light in the sand
Dam straight he was John McClain
Ian and Danielle are so similar
Are you a part of the ff14 community?
Listening around 55:15 ... all metals conduct Investiture in hemalurgy.
But only very specifically aligned Investiture.
@@joshuafischer684 Meant as a joke.
@@carl11547 It's true though.
Being Unmade, oh, god.
I really don't get the dislike for Adin. He says a fun character, and it was a cool look at how the view of the Radients has changed.
I thought another POV could have done more. -Eric
@@17thShard I think the point is that he is this little annoying kid who looks at the radiants like a little kid would look at them as cool warriors, blind to the reality of war. And then war comes to his home.
I don’t think they were hearing anything Kaladin or the Sibling said. I think they were literally just hearing what Navani was saying.
Perhaps it has to do with proximity? If Navani and the Sibling are talking in the basement, I doubt the Fused could listen to it from the top of Urithiru.
I can't help but feel that the Shard of Odium is just 'AM' from "I have no mouth and i must scream"
"HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."
Your guys chat about Narvani being at least in part responsible for the deaths of Spren and Fused is all valid, but in doing so she'll also be saving so many more Humans and Listeners - with the former, desolations/war can now stop meaning less deaths overall, but with the second, for Fused to come back a Listener literally needs to die so... even less black and white!
They probably knew about Kaladin's fabriel glove but thought it pathetic and no threat to them. I think they did not provide the pursuer this information.
It was not fun to watch Kaladin suffer. Bad producer spren.
Why does the annoying host want to witness the Heralds “breaking” on Braize? Seems pretty fucked up....
Oh my am I early!
I said it in the Tor reread and I'll say it here: RoW is 25% too long. Entire chapters in Part One are basically disposable. (The entire Vasher scene, most of a chapter, has no effect on the rest of the book at all. It's just there so Kalad can lecture Kaladin about stuff that doesn't affect this book.)
So would you rather have had Vasher left out of the book entirely? I for one will never complain about too much Stormlight.
@@carlsmith4568 Yes. I would also not have some non-relevant material about, say, Silence Montaine suddenly appear in the book. I'm a plot person. Stuff not connected to the plot is extraneous.
You're right, there were definite pacing issues with this one.
@@carl11547 ok Carl
Vasher is an unused checkov's gun mas make the book as a whole worse