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If you watched the extended version there is a scene where Aragorn calms down the king's sons horse and sets him free. That horse he set free comes and saves him.
They’re apparently going to Re watch the entire trilogy in its original true format that’s still being called by some as the extended edition. So let’s look forward to thst
@@Makkaru112ahhhh hell yeah
Damn it’s been so long since I watched the originals I didn’t even realize that scene was only in the extended 😂
... and Viggo Mortensen bought that horse (you need to gain the horse's trust to do the whole "kneeling down and getting pulled up by holding on to the horse's hair" stuff).
@@Muck006 one of the very few mistakes they made was in that scene where the horse comes to get him he still has reigns/ rope attached to him for some reason. If they let the horse go free why the hell would they leave a rope dangling off his face😂😂 I woulda been pissed if I was that horse, that’s probably why he came back to Aragorn “like dude you forgot about this damned rope on my face”😂
When Haldir dies it gets me everytime, he was a legend giving his life for middle earth!🙏
It's not as bad as you think, Elves don't die in the same way mortals do, they are effectively reborn elsewhere (undying lands I think), so it's not the 'ultimate sacrifice' it appears to be
Never died in the books but it fits for the movie since his name means Hidden Hero. ❤
I highly recommend the extended edition for the ROTK, it will fill some gaps for you.
Fuck the extended editions.
Sir Christopher Lee begs to differ
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@@jeandoten1510😂😂Christopher Lee thought his scenes in the extended version should never have been cut from the original
Imagine how those of us who saw this in theaters felt knowing we had to wait a year to see the next one!
That must have been frustrating!
The horse that finds Aragorn is the horse he calms earlier in the movie, Brego
And the actor Viggo Mortensen took the horse home with him after filming.
@@custardflan no the horse remains in New Zealand. He baught it but its being taken care of by the horse trainer. He also baught her a horse
The movie is one thing, the music is another big contributor to the immersion. The Riders of Rohirrim song is one of my favourites. It just pumps you up.
'Sam' has grown into a wholesome meme. 'Everyone needs a Sam in their lives'. His unconditional friendship with Frodo is heartwarming and picks you up when you're down. We all need that from time to time.
Yes. Most people do say that rather than saying (to themselves?) 'I need to a Sam in someone's life'.
In the books Faramir is not even tempted by the Ring, partly because he is pure of heart not wanting glory, and knowing/sensing it's evil (he was a student of Gandalf), and partly because of overwhelming grief over Boromir and what the Ring did to him, gives him no desire for it. Faramir knew Sam and Frodo were coming because it was revealed in a dream, so he gave them no grief to speak of, and actually resupplied them and warned them about Cirith Ungol before he sent them off.
The Elves were not at Helm's Deep in the book. Tolkien has it that this is the time of Men, and the mantle has passed from the Elves to them to defeat evil. The other part is that the Elves were so dwindled by this time that they could barely defend their own territory, and both them, Dwarves, and the good Men of the North fought other parts of Sauron's army and pretty much only won because of the destruction of the Ring.
That scene where Haldir, Captain of the Elven force at Helm's Deep, is struck down and the last thing he sees is all the dead bodies of his fellow Elves. It is a subtle reference to what Tolkien calls The Long Defeat, where the Elves that stayed in Middle Earth after the fall of Sauron's boss Morgoth, knew that it would be a pyrrhic victory, but they stayed anyway and make the sacrifice to destroy evil and pass the torch to Men so that they could have a fresh start.
A couple of other points, in the books Aragorn was never separated from the group or went over the cliff, he arrived at Helm's Deep with the entire party, and the Ents actually go to war after Entmoot because they are already in a rage from everything Saruman has done. Peter Jackson said he deliberately made the Ent attack on Isengard feral and primal with no High Grandmaster Kung Fu moves, and it's one of my favorite parts of the TT battles. I also want a Helm's Deep horn, if for anything to announce dinner.
And finally, the #1 rule of the LOTR movies - a character is not dead unless you see the body. 😎
Awesome comment. I gave my own whack at the same sort of explanation but I went down a different route. Please do read it and give it a comment so others may see it too and join in on the conversation ❤
War Of The Rohirrim. It comes out at the end of these next few months or end of this year. This will be awesome. ❤
@@Makkaru112 Done! I've gleaned alot from your posts from all the reactions. Can tell you've read stuff I haven't yet and it's nice to see that information and perspective. Thanks for the compliment and hope all is well.
For fantasy movies generally, even if you see the body but the head and body are still within 10 feet of each other, odds of death are about 50/50
The movie is more self-consistent regarding Faramir. He has no desire to use the Ring for himself, but he has a desire to finally win his father's respect. That would be enough to weaken him, even more so if he was distressed by his brother's death. Faramir ain't no Tom Bombadil.
At 9:35 we see the Elves' perspective on mortality, which has to be different from the human view. In the book, there's a passage by Legolas on the subject of the passage of time, as the Company is floating down the Great River Anduin: "Nay, time does not tarry ever...but change and growth is not in all things and places alike. For the Elves the world moves, and it moves both very swift and very slow. Swift, because they themselves change but little, and all else fleets by: it is a grief to them. Slow, because they do not count the passing years, not for themselves.The passing seasons are but as ripples ever repeated in the long long stream. Yet beneath the Sun all things must wear to an end at last."
The gift of men at the time was so their Fëa spirit couldn’t be snatched by Morgoth who was already infamous for doing such things. By joining Eru in the timeless halls. Théoden calls it “Golden Halls Of My Fathers, of who’s mighty company I shall not know the shame.” ❤️
Not all elves reach Valinor let alone knows if it’s real. For more answers I’d dive into the video by GirlNextGondor titled Necromancy! ❤️
Howard Shore did an amazing job with the music for this trilogy, winning Oscars for Best Original Score for each movie. The music was so popular that he took it on the road, with full orchestras playing live to backdrops of the corresponding scenes for which each piece was written. Would love to have been to one of those shows.
He did not win for each movie. The score for the Two Towers was not even nominated. Shore did win the Oscars for the Fellowship of the Ring and the Return of the King.
Saruman had been studying Rohan for centuries. I think that the stuff Grima told him was important plot exposition and foreshadowing for the audience, but probably nothing he didn't already know.
Grima cries when he sees Saruman's army because he only wanted power over Rohan and he realizes how much he has screwed up. He didn't really want to destroy it.
I was never sure why Grima cries in that scene. 🤷♀️
I was and still am quite sure he was thinking of Eowyn
But the Rohan part too
The scene with the orc running with the torch almost looks like he's running to light the Olympic cauldron at the Olympics and it always makes me chuckle. 🤣
The horse that found Aragorn was Brego. The horse he told them to set free because it's seen enough of war.
Y'all are great. I've been looking forward to this. You did not disappoint me! Now I can hardly wait for the Grand Finale. Prepare yourselves if indeed that is even possible!!
Thank you!
I have a few movies that i check out reactions to that decide whether or not i follow a channel and LOTR is definitely one of them. I absolutely love your memory, attention to detail, and how well you both are able to put things together. You've definitely gained my subscription.
Thank you!!
Yes! Good reaction.
Please watch the extended edition of the final. It’s worth the extra 30 minutes.
You two are starting to grow on me.
Keep it up.
They won’t. Only for a rewatch upload of the entire trilogy.
Grima cries because he realizes the human race is at stake; what he contributed to is much bigger than he thought. In the end all he wanted was Eowyn. It’s like, Crap, Saruman is actually going to massacre everyone
In the books Saruman never sides with Sauron at all. Make a bid for the ring and keep it from Saurons hands. Remember. He’s a Maia of Aulë just like Sauron/Gorthaur/Annatar/Mairon. ❤
Aragorn is one of the Dunedain, he lives longer, he's 87. Aragorn was raised in Rivendell and is where he met Arwen.
Actually, he met her in LothLorien. That is where she lived with her grandparents, Galadriel and Celeborn. But, yes, Aragorn was raised in Rivendale.
@@circedelune Galadriel is the one who set them up in the first place, making sure he would even be presentable. I’ll share the story in return of the king as a comment below that. Stay tuned.
My bad, it was Lothlorien not Rivendell.
@@circedelune thank you for setting me straight, but didn't Aragorn grow up in Rivendell?
@@karlschmitt6359 yes he did.
looking forward to the finale…great reaction guys
Thank you!
@@couplescreenreactions deserves many more views, don’t give up 😊
In the book Saruman already knew about the drain at Helms Deep. In the movie they used Grima's character to narrate the information for the audience. Saruman developed the gunpowder for the battle at Helms Deep. Gunpowder was unknown before this time.
kind of... they had fireworks remember so explosives are not unknown to wizards, but it was a new application of it.
@@cerisambrook7692But maybe it was only something the creation of which was known to Gandalf and Saruman. Either way, first usage in warfare.
@@zoesumra9152 Indeed, I'm only aware of Wizards being able to make fireworks and it would appear to be the first and only recorded use of explosives in warfare
it's the horse he set free, that had seen too much war
There is an ongoing orc killing contest between Gimli and Legolas in all three books and trilogy! The distrust between the elves and dwarves will be explained in the Hobbit book and trilogies. When you saw Legolas and Gimli arguing at the council meeting in Fellowship Of The Ring this is because of what happened in the Hobbit book and what you'll see in the Hobbit trilogy. The orc killing contest helps both Gimli and Legolas bond and become friends!
The feud between Dwarf and Elf is thousands of years old. Thranduil was very much aware of it, possibly even having lived in the time and place of its origin. At the least, Thranduil's father, Oropher, was in Doriath when the bloodletting began. The Dwarves would never have looked to Elves for aid. Jackson took a lot of liberties with 'The Hobbit'.
@mgentles3 yes he did, but if he literally showed those thousands of years the movies would maybe been 12 hours long instead of 4 if you have the extended editions. There are things I wish he would've put in but the basic story is there. Legolas is not in the Hobbit, but Mirkwood elves are. No such character in Tauriel, but the captain of the guard is mentioned or her romantic relationship with Kili. Sometimes adding things to a story is good sometimes it's not good. I've heard that Tolkien purists don't like the way cgi was used, or that it was made into a trilogy when it should've been one movie. This probably will never be done, but I would love to see a trilogy about the the 1st age, 2nd age, and 3rd age, and really talk about the 5 wizards, when did Sauran begin, Saruman's life before he was corrupted. I would love to learn more about Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves, Men, the lore of Middle Earth, but , while I find it interesting and fun, reading about the lore I don't really have time to do that. Generally speaking Peter Jackson did take liberties, but as a director, how do you decide what's important or not important in telling the story and staying with the main plot? I wanted to see Tom Bombadill, but Peter didn't think he was necessary to keep the main story going, I think Christopher Lee had the same problem. In the epilog Saruman was killed by Grima Wormtongue in the Shire not Isengard. As a director it's hard to decide these things and remain true to what Tolkien would've wanted and to keep the people who are serious readers of Tolkien and keep all of them happy. I think there are secondary characters that I would've loved to have seen, but I didn't, I was briefly disappointed, but I also knew that the movies would be way longer than 4 hours. It wouldn't have bothered me if the movies were longer, but Peter Jackson can't ask non Tolkien readers to sit through an already long movie and have them sit longer. It's hard to condense a classic book into 2 to 4 hours and still have it ring true, things, important things will be left out. How do you decide? I know, for me, when I was watching both Trilogies I found myself and with others saying "that didn't happen in the book", or why did he give this monolog to Sam instead of the original character? Why was Galadrial setting up the story at the beginning of Fellowship Of The Ring, I didn't mind that Peter had Galadrial do that. It's a delicate balance and it's difficult to do that and maintain it. Some people talk about the pacing of the movies, I found nothing wrong with it. In the many times I've watched both Trilogies either in the theater or in my house I've never looked at the clock and wished it would end, I wanted it to keep going!
@@karlschmitt6359 Of course all you say is true. I meant my reply to somewhat refute, but more to clarify and inform, the original comment. What happened in 'The Hobbit' was not the CAUSE of the hatred between Elves and Dwarves, but one of the consequences of it. Peter Jackson did at least show the Nauglamir in a brief flash, though that was also against cannon. At least it gave us book nerds a kick.
@mgentles3 no, not all I say is true, where did that come from? I would venture to say you know a ton more than I do; by the way what is the meaning of Nauglamir? I'm only a casual reader of Tolkien, I know hardly anything, nothing like Tolkien purists and people who pour through all of the lore and reference books.
That man who threw a sphere at 26:19 is actually the director Peter Jackson.. He was also at first and last movies like some cameos :))
The creatures you think are hyenas are called Wargs(evil wolves)
Wargs aren’t wolves Per se. Think of Taur Ín Gaurhoth etc. but yes Wargs are a diluted mutated descendant of greater heinous magic and whatnot upon the living creatures of arda ontop of rogue Maiar that took form of werewolves etc.
You do an excellent job remembering the names of the characters. Not so easy - well done. You will want to watch it again some time, perhaps the extended version! Every time you see something new! It is a very detailed story!
It has nothing to do with Eowyn being a woman. The King's son is dead and if Theoden and Eomer die in battle, Eowyn is the only one left to continue the succession of the crown.
Her being a woman and his Niece is also definitely a factor, women didnt feature in the armies in Tolkein’s world with maybe some exceptions.
Eomer literally tells Eowen “War is the province of Men”
Sam's monologue in Osgiliath is a nod to the book. In the book, Faramir is never tempted by the ring. Before he knew that Frodo had the ring, he told Frodo that he didn't know what secret item Frodo carried, and said he didn't want it, no matter what it was. He told Frodo that he would not take this thing, even if he found it lying beside the road and only he could save Minas Tirith. Then when he found out the Frodo was carrying the ring, he told Frodo not to worry because the men of Minas Tirith never lie, and that he promised he would not take the ring, even if he found it by the road. And then he told Frodo that even if he were tempted, he would be bound by his promise and would not take the ring. And then he let Frodo, Sam and Golom go free from the cave. He told Frodo that he was free to travel in the lands of Gondor for 1 year and 1 day under the protection of him and his men, and that anyone who traveled with Frodo was also free.
So in the movie, when Peter Jackson changed that bit, and had Faramir take Frodo to Osgiliath and wanted to take the ring to Gondor, Sam noted in his monologue, "It's all wrong, by rights we shouldn't even be here..." Which is true. By rights, Faramir should have freed them in the cave. They were never meant to go to Osgiliath and Godor according to the book. So it was "all wrong".
The black riders are not riding dragons. They referred to as "fellbeasts", a type of wyvern. Also, dragons have four feet...most of the time.
(Elves near extinction) Here is why the elves couldn’t help as much as some may have wished at the final battle of we Helms Deep & other places: By the Third Age of Middle-earth, the population of Elves had significantly decreased from their numbers in the earlier Ages. It is estimated that there were only a few thousand Elves remaining in Middle-earth by this time.
One reason why Elves didn't have much military prowess to help out more in the Third Age is because they had already fought many battles in the previous Ages, & were weary of war ontop of Lothlòrien(where Galadriel is) being constantly attacked throughout this current story during the trilogy story but the movies never show it. Additionally, many of the great Elven kingdoms had already fallen, & the remaining Elves had scattered across Middle-earth, making it difficult to organize a large-scale military force.
Furthermore, Elves had a deep respect for the natural world, and were hesitant to engage in battles that could harm the environment. They preferred to use their skills in magic and healing to assist in battles, rather than fighting directly.
Despite their reduced numbers and military prowess, Elves still played an important role in the events of the Third Age. They were instrumental in the quest to destroy the One Ring, and many fought bravely in battles against Sauron's forces. However, they had to be strategic about their involvement, as they knew that they could not sustain heavy losses without risking the extinction of their entire race.
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The exact population of Elves in Middle-earth during the Third Age is not explicitly stated. However, it is generally believed that their numbers had greatly diminished by this time, with only a few remaining Elven kingdoms & settlements scattered across Middle-earth.
Some sources estimate that there may have been only a few thousand Elves left in Middle-earth by the Third Age. It is important to note that the exact population of Elves in Middle-earth is not a major focus of Tolkien's works, as he was more concerned with the individual characters & their journeys rather than the demographics of Middle-earth.
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While there are some distinct figures given in Tolkien's works, some fans have attempted to estimate the population of Elves in Middle-earth during the Third Age using various mathematical models comparing to what was known about the past. One such estimate, based on the size of Elven settlements & their likely populations, suggests that there may have been around 100,000 Elves scattered across Middle-earth from different clans as it were with slightly different diverging history at certain points during the Third Age.
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The population of Elves in Middle-earth changed over time due to a variety of factors, including wars, migrations, & natural disasters.
During the First Age, Elves were relatively numerous and lived in many different kingdoms & settlements across Middle-earth. However, many of these kingdoms were destroyed during the wars against Morgoth, the first Dark Lord.
During the Second Age, the population of Elves began to decline as many Elves left Middle-earth to sail to the Undying Lands, a paradise-like realm across the sea. This was largely due to the influence of the Valar, the angelic beings who created the world, who offered the Elves a chance to escape the sorrows and limitations of mortal life in Middle-earth.
By the time of the Third Age, the population of Elves in Middle-earth had greatly diminished. Many of the great Elven kingdoms had fallen, & the remaining Elves had scattered across Middle-earth in small, isolated settlements. This was partly due to the wars of the First Age and the destruction of many Elven kingdoms, as well as the gradual decline of the Elves' power & influence in Middle-earth.
Overall, the population of Elves in Middle-earth declined more over time, with many Elves leaving for the Undying Lands & many others being killed in wars and other conflicts. By the end of the Third Age, the Elves' numbers had greatly diminished, & they were a shadow of their former glory in Middle-earth.
It’s been their fight for ages alone before Men came along and many of them befriended Men from the very beginning. They share the same fights/The same histories etc!
Let’s just say it used to be a few million so imagine what Galadriel & her husband Celeborn have seen regarding experiencing their entire race that still dwelled upon middle earth nearly being wiped out into extinction…
Tolkien never got much farther than allusion when it came to the number of Elves left. Except maybe for Mirkwood the remaining kingdoms were constantly losing population as their residents were hightailing it out of there before the window of escape closed. It seemed like in LOTR that they all were pushed to the max and would not have held out much longer had the Ring not been destroyed. It also seemed that way with the Dwarves and Men of the West - everyone was diminished.
That was one of the coolest parts IMO of the history of the Third Age that Tolkien laid out, that Sauron was playing the long chess game of attrition to win, whereas Morgoth was far more about direct confrontation, He just slowly wore everyone down so that Ring or no, they would be overrun with enough time, and almost a paradox that verifying the existence of the one Ring and taking the dangerous trip to Mount Doom was the best possible choice despite the steep risk.
Think it's genius creativity in the plot that I've never really seen in any other writing. That along with the them of 'The Long Defeat' where the Elves that hang around till the end knew that whether Sauron was defeated or not they would lose everything. Powerful concepts IMO.
(Clarified) Let me share about Elrond & his daughter Arwen (& Aragorn by extension) therefore we must look at Elrond’s Twin Brother Elros, they both were half-elven brothers who can choose to be mortal or immortal because of their parents(Eärendil and Elwing) both half elven made a great sacrifice and went to Valinor to ask for help against Morgoth(who was making everything worse than a living hellscape for 100s of generations) which lead to the greatest events in the early first and second age. Instead of being punished, the valar listened to them, that led to a great hosts of Valar and Maiar And Vanyar Elves went to Middle Earth that laid waste to Beleriand. After the War Of Wrath, the valar rewarded them for their sacrifices. They can choose to be elf or men, including their children. They chose immortally, but never return to Middle Earth because they thought that their twin sons had died. But they didnt die. Elrond chose to be immortal while his twin brother Elros chose to be mortal. He founded the Kingdom of Numenor. He lived in Numenor Island and blessed with a long life that include his descendants Those men who fought for the war were rewarded a long life but not their families or children. Only the family of Elrond can choose to be immortal or mortal in which Arwen did. Aragorn is the direct descendant of Elros, thats why he has a long life. The average lifespan of a Numenorean at their height was 500 years maximum! Now remember too that half elves are a common thing and whenever they did come together it was always significant !❤❤❤
Remember this is the SHORT version, there are so many moving parts that will make you want to dive into the books or the audio books or even do reaction videos to the famous lore videos by the biggest lore channels out there!
When you’re done the trilogy try doing reaction videos just like Moviejoob did now with the lore recently as well as OmarioRPG. I recommend videos by GirlNextGondor and The Red Book, and Tolkien Untangled and especially Men Of The West. Many other cool ones I’ll recommend in the comments section of those reaction videos you do from Tolkiens Legendarium lore videos. They are super engaging. You’ll be in love. Nothing would have existed if Tolkiens works never hit the light of day as they were meant to stay private and sometimes be shared with his children and so on. No Game Of Thrones. No Skyrim. No ElderScrolls, No World Of Warcraft, no Dungeons&Dragons. None of it. Not even Star Wars. Not even Harry Potter! They took inspiration from his works which were souly to give back a forgotten history of the Anglo Saxons that had their culture & history destroyed as the larger empires were riding around them. His works reflect the Elder Edda(Norse) The Kalevala(Finnish) and the Welsh people from Wales as well as Irelands cultures of the Tuatha De Danaan as well! His languages are fully fleshed out too resembling Finnish & Welsh
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By the way Elrond is around 6870-8000 years old & nearly a full Elf year (as they age very very differently to Men) is close to 144 man years(solar years for them). but if you want a more true age you must realize that he may be 8000 but in human years after the sun and moon were created from the flower from of the two trees of Valinor as well as one fruit from the other of the two trees; they experience the TIME and the way men experience it but their clock is different! They live as long as the world/Arda/Ëa does. Essentially. Which is why they are so in synch with the world around them and the nature responds to them ! Think of when Legolas walked ontop of all that snow on the Mountain of Caradhras!! They continue to endure as long ad the world itself does. (Arda) and speaking of age, Legolas is also 3000+years old by the time he becomes a member of The Fellowship Of The Ring! If you look back on the original trilogy movies: The fellowship had a 3000year old Elven PRINCE in their party. And a clandestine angelic being who was Gandalf originally known Olòrin to those such as Galadriel who knew him when she lived in Valinor, Elrond also knew would be one of the only others who’d know this save Círdan The Shipwright(Oldest Elf in the world but even he was a few generations down from the original elvish peoples to awake to the stars) & kin to Thingol who also is a semi distant cousin to Legolas as Legolas’ grandfather was the close cousin to Thingol(same with Galadriel’s Husband Celeborn through his father, their capital within Lothlòrien was named after his father(Caras Galadhon) Galadhon being the name indicating that which belongs to the father. And a 87 year old Númenorean man named Aragorn!, a 335 year old Dwarven Prince named Gimli. And as a microcosm they resembled the coalition of all the races of middle earth uniting under one banner which is another reason it sort of metaphysically set into motion the world uniting at the macrocosm !
Galadriel's Phial (gift to Frodo) is something really special. light & dark have a spiritual dimension in Tolkien. way back before the First Age Valinor was lit by two very special Trees that waxed & waned in opposition to each other. a master craftsman Elf named Fëanor fashioned three gems that captured their light, the Silmarils. (And it’s same power and light was drawn into it from the very firmament where it now stands amongst the stars as Eärendil himself (Elrond’s father stands watch over The Doors Of Night where Melkor still is held until fate holds him no longer.)
Everyone who saw them was captivated by them, even the Melkor(Morgoth); the first Dark Lord. Wars were fought over them called the Kinstrife after Morgoth had the Trees destroyed the Silmarils were the only light from them left and he stole them as you may remember, they changed hands a few times & eventually one was left after one fell into the sea & another was lost in a pit of magma. a Half Elf named Eärendil (the first one! Who was Elrond’s father.) came into its possession & sailed it to Valinor as a gift to the Valar to ask for their help in defeating Morgoth, which they did. the Valar turned it into a star & hung it in the sky with Eärendil as its guardian. the fountain of Galadriel's
Mirror is lit by light captured from the star Eärendil & her Phial has water from the fount. I've left out about 90% of the story but it's quite important & central to the story of Middle Earth. for her to give the Phial to Frodo is quite extraordinary. its light does burn & blind Shelob (that's the spider's name) but doesn't kill her outright. oh also, before he was put in the sky to guard the last Silmaril Earendil had two children, Elrond & his brother Elros the first King of Numenor. Tolkien's lore is deep & vast & the Silmarils are at the center of it.
The Star of Eärendil is the light that shines in the horizon both in the morning and the evening. It consists in a boat raised by the Valar and led by Eärendil, who carries a shining Silmaril while watching the Doors of Night. The Door of Night was a portal in the distant Uttermost West that leads to heaven, and/or the Void. Eärendil's ship Vingilot was taken by the Valar from the rim of the world, passed through the Door and was lifted into the "oceans of heaven". PS: Eärendil is ELROND’s half Vanyar Elf half human father, that father was the son of the great Tuor of the great stories of The Children Of Húrin book!❤❤❤❤
Aragorn is a CLOSE descendant of a direct bloodline to Elros(Elrond’s Twin Brother)
The title of half elven (Peredhel) was due to the combined history of Beren&Lúthien, his mother Elwing was the granddaughter of Lùthien! Eärendil was the husband of Elwing. The true half elf; son of the best elvish women ever who rescued hundreds from the highest of elvish kingdoms(Gondolin); her name is Idril & one of the best most powerful men around named Tuor. Who later on when they went to Valinor together through their own way lead to him choosing to be counted as One Of The Eldar for Idril. Eärendil did the same for Elwing. ❤
10:08 this sequence with dead Aragorn and widow Arwen walking in woods … keep that in mind for later discussion …
13:50 It is the "forbidden pool", because there is a SECRET BASE for these men of Gondor ... and nobody must know of its location to prevent them from being captured/killed. This is inside of the "Sauron-controlled territory" and in the mountain chain surrounding Mordor.
GET THE MAP!
Saruman has been a "next door neighbor" to Rohan for many centuries, he does NOT need Wormtongue to tell him what Theoden will do. Grima says it as EXPOSITION for the viewers.
Also: there are LOADS of changes made by Peter Jackson, especially in this one, because the whole "fall off a cliff" for Aragorn and everything about Arwen DOES NOT HAPPEN in the book. They needed to give "the pretty elven princess" some screentime and added ARTIFICIAL DRAMA.
They needed to have a character left behind to see Saruman's army coming. Otherwise the Helm's Deep defence would have been even harder. I agree they could have chosen a different setup, but someone had to get lost for long enough to raise a warning.
26:19 The director, Peter Jackson, throwing spear.
Can't wait for the third..!!! For me, still has the greatest battle ever put on film..
Hartstikke bedankt, guys. Ik kijk na deel 3 uit!🤗
The actor that plays Gimli also does the voice for Treebeard. 🙂
Why Theoden didn't want Eowyn to fight, Eowyn is next in line to throne. If they're both killed, the only one left is Eomer, who is banished
Excellent reaction. I recommend that you watch the extended editions to get some more back stories. One of the most important addition concerns Boromir. It will give you much insight into his true noble character and why he had to go to Rivendell to attend the secret council while it was definitely not his wish to go there.
Except that's all bull, only put in the movie. It has nothing to do with who Boromir was, or even who Denethor was in the mind of their creator, J.R.R. Tolkien. I guess it's great for people who only watch the films and I can enjoy and appreciate them and the amazing work of everyone involved, but I was never a fan of what they did to Faramir, Boromir, or Denethor. I guess that's why it doesn't bother me to miss out on the scene you mention.
The current ages of the characters: Frodo Baggins is 53. Samwise Gamgee is 38. Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry) is 36. Peregrin Took (Pippin) is 28. Gandalf (Olòrin) - is 15,000 (in his current form. Aragorn is 87. Legolas is 2,931. Gimli is 139. Boromir son of Denethor II is 41!
Elves aged differently than men and dwarves. They did not suffer from old age or disease, and their lives were not limited by a fixed number of years. Instead, they aged very slowly, remaining youthful and vigorous for much longer than mortals. Though they could voluntarily leave their bodies and the ultimate thing that can kill them is grief or Sorrow that’s palpable enough for them to just not wish to live anymore.
Here are the ages of some of the main Elves of the Third Age, as of the War of the Ring:
1. Elrond Half-elven - over 8,586 while his daughter is 3,777 old!
2. Galadriel - around 20,000
3. Celeborn - 20,000; (he may have been alive before her birth or around the same time as his lineage that he lived amongst his forefathers and kin might suggest he is older but they are both very ancient.)
4. Glorfindel (replaced scenes with Arwen in the movies but it helped prop up Aragorn’s Film character progression. I still think they could have incorporated them both in the scenes somehow and included the other important stuff that went on in that forest meeting Glorfindel and his company of elves)- he’s over 2,000 (although he had been re-embodied after dying in the First Age which means his Fëa {spirit} is far older than 2000.)
5. Thranduil - over 8000, (as he was born in the First Age and lived in Doriath with his father Oropher; Thranduil is also the father of Legolas. (As Haldir mentioned him when speaking to Legolas in Lothlòrien during the first movie’s extended scene. He shares the same kindred elven clan as to Celeborn(Galadriel’s husband).
It's worth noting that Elves could choose to die voluntarily, usually when they grew weary of life or when they had fulfilled their purpose in the world. However, their spirits would then depart to the Halls of Mandos and could eventually be re-embodied in a new
body
I meant to add that Frodo was 51 when he left due to the whole Gandalf coming back to the shire after many years. that explains why his youthful appearance didn’t change much throughout the entire film!
I didn't realize you watched the regular version, until you asked about the horse. Its all in the extended versions of the movies, including Aragon's age. You also see some more interaction with Galadriel, and other scenes. Too bad you missed that opportunity, it answers a lot of questions.
35:28 That is Arwen on the white horse at the front as she originally arrived with the elves but her scenes were cut and for this shot her hair was digitally coloured blonde to disguise her as Legolas but the problem is that there is now 2 Legolas's with the real Legolas behind the fake Legolas on another white horse.
At 27:50 you say "Actually don't know how old he is." If you had watched the Extended version of the movie, you would have learned that Aragorn is 87. He is the Chief of the Dunedain, the Kings of Men, descendants of the survivors of Numenor and of the northern kingdom of Arnor, which was destroyed a thousand years before our story. In his younger days he had fought under Theoden's father Thengel, under an assumed name, and also later for the Steward of Gondor. Gandalf described Aragorn to Frodo as "the greatest traveller and huntsman of this age of the world." The Dunedain had been blessed by the Valar, the Guardians of the World, with a lifespan three times that of lesser Men, as a reward for their labors in the great Battle at the end of the First Age of the world. The Dunedain of the South, the Men of Gondor, had intermarried with other races of Men, and their lifespans had dwindled to little more than ordinary Men.
It was destroyed over 4000+years ago. 1000 was how long ago Gondor had no king.
The Valar can’t grant the gift of men or elves. It was a mixture of Eru Îlluvatar and the Valar (Mainly Ulmo)
The thing is, it may be competitive to get kills. To help ease the mind from stress for some soldiers. Everyone is just born different. Our military ranks rises depending on years of service & number of kills.
500 elves were sent and they came from Lothlórien (Galadriel's Kingdom, since it closer)
It's a bit of a mystery to me where the elves came from to Helm's Deep. On the one hand, the lead elf, Haldir, mentions Elrond and Rivendell, but Haldir was also the elf who lead the group that captured the Fellowship and brought them to Galadriel in Lothlorien. So did Elrond send them or did Galadriel (who happens to be a lot closer to Helm's Deep than was Elrond).
Second to that, the speed which with those elves came from even Lothlorien, seemingly a few hours, is mighty fast even for elves. Many times in this set of movies Peter Jackson doesn't let realistic elapsed time get in the way of a good story.
Huh, interesting.
Murderer is a key word and when Gollem refers to "her" he's referring to a character you'll meet in Return Of The King. Eagerly waiting for part one of Return Of The King!
Gollum
@tedrowland8672 ? Gollem what?
Nope it refers to him killing his friend for the ring.
@neddhu I know about murderer refers to the murdering of Deagal this was added to the she, I know they are different.
@neddhu when I used the word and that was something additional but different they needed to watch for. Murderer refers to Smegal murdering Deagal and she refers to a different character in Return Of The King.
Aragorn is loyal to Arwen don't worry!
Elves mate for life anyway so it’s impossible and it really forces the hand for her to make the choice like Elros -Tar Minyatur did.
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Sam's speech in the book:
“Yes, that's so,' said Sam. 'And we shouldn't be here at all, if we'd known more about it before we started. But I suppose it's often that way. The brave things in the old tales and songs, Mr. Frodo: adventures, as I used to call them. I used to think that they were things the wonderful folk of the stories went out and looked for, because they wanted them, because they were exciting and life was a bit dull, a kind of a sport, as you might say. But that's not the way of it with the tales that really mattered, or the ones that stay in the mind. Folk seem to have been just landed in them, usually - their paths were laid that way, as you put it. But I expect they had lots of chances, like us, of turning back, only they didn't. And if they had, we shouldn't know, because they'd have been forgotten. We hear about those as just went on - and not all to a good end, mind you; at least not to what folk inside a story and not outside it call a good end. You know, coming home, and finding things all right, though not quite the same - like old Mr Bilbo. But those aren't always the best tales to hear, though they may be the best tales to get landed in! I wonder what sort of a tale we've fallen into?'
'I wonder,' said Frodo. 'But I don't know. And that's the way of a real tale. Take any one that you're fond of. You may know, or guess, what kind of a tale it is, happy-ending or sad-ending, but the people in it don't know. And you don't want them to.'
'No, sir, of course not. Beren now, he never thought he was going to get that Silmaril from the Iron Crown in Thangorodrim, and yet he did, and that was a worse place and a blacker danger than ours. But that's a long tale, of course, and goes on past the happiness and into grief and beyond it - and the Silmaril went on and came to Eärendil. And why, sir, I never thought of that before! We've got - you've got some of the light of it in that star-glass that the Lady gave you! Why, to think of it, we're in the same tale still! It's going on. Don't the great tales never end?'
'No, they never end as tales,' said Frodo. 'But the people in them come, and go when their part's ended. Our part will end later - or sooner.”
And:
“Why, Sam,” he said, “to hear you somehow makes me as merry as if the
story was already written. But you’ve left out one of the chief characters; Samwise the stout hearted. ‘I want to hear more about Sam, dad. Why didn’t they put in more of his talk, dad? That’s what I like, it makes me laugh. And Frodo wouldn’t have got far without Sam, would he, dad?’ ”
“Now, Mr. Frodo,” said Sam, “you shouldn’t make fun. I was serious.”
“So was I,” said Frodo, “and so I am. We’re going on a bit too fast. You and
I, Sam, are still stuck in the worst places of the story, and it is all too likely that some will say at this point ‘Shut the book now, dad; we don’t want to read any more’.”
“Maybe,” said Sam, “but I wouldn’t be one to say that. Things done and
over and made into part of the great tales are different. Why, even Gollum might be good in a tale, better than he is to have by you, anyway. And he used to like tales himself once, by his own account. I wonder if he thinks he’s the hero or the villain?”
“Gollum!” he called. “Would you like to be the hero, now where’s he got to
again?”
Here comes some random info:
- Brego was Theodred's horse. Aragorn had said that set him free. So Brego found Aragorn. Thats why he had no saddle.
- Forbidden pool in Henneth Annun in Ithilien exist. So Faramir was telling the truth.
- 21:50 Elves salutes Legolas because he is the Prince of Mirkwood. The best Archer in middle Earth.
- 26:19 Peter Jackson wanted to change story little bit. Thats why you dont understand why let them Grima alive. In books everythings make sense.
- This movies happening in the third age 3018. In that year Aragorn 87 but as a Numenorean consider it this is young for kingsblood. Arwen 2779 and still virgin ;)
I suggest to watch extended version the last movie if possible. Also check lotro game maps to see where they are actually going on the maps. And please dont cut Theoden's speech. Its the most epic scene ever in human history.
Take care!
as much as i love aragorn and always felt he could do no wrong, he really messed up getting theoden to let grima go. only mistake aragorn made in the whole trilogy.
Spoiler alert for the reactor! But, Nocturnal, who would have killed Saruman? Even the wise cannot see all ends. Anyway, the look on Theoden's face when he first notices his people hailing him makes it clear he still wasn't thinking straight until then. He was about to murder a man in front of them and they couldn't know why, not having seen him for quite a long time or being aware of what Grima had done. It would've shocked them and made him seem like a madman, diminishing his authority mightily.
The best part in the extended is the Boromir Scenes
Aragorn's elf friend is Haldir.
I am only glad that according to the book he was not in this battle, and he did not die there.
@rathreubenrye6500 thank you for expounding on this because it's been a long time since I read the Lord Of The Rings and I forgot. I'm re-reading the Hobbit so I'll get to that eventually.
@@karlschmitt6359 read & listen to The Silmarillion, Book Of Lost Tales, Unfinished Tales, Children Of Hùrin, Morgoth’s Ring, Laws And Customs Of The Eldar, 12volumes: Histories Of Middle Earth, Fall Of Gondolin, Fall Of Númenor
Great content, but it's soooo frustrating to hear you ask all the right questions and know that the extended version answers them for you
Yup. They said that the extended edition of the entire trilogy . The true edition. Will be re watched and uploaded sometimes in the future so let’s look forward to that.
26:19 Did you know that Peter Jackson makes a cameo appearance in the movie?
Not sure if you're aware of it but Arwen is Galadriel's granddaughter.
Listen to the end credit song, called Gollum's song. You'll understand why...😢
Not just listen. We want to see their reaction and commentary
Should of watched the extended addition! If its possible for return of the king I would reccomend it
FYI:
The winged creatures ridden by The Nazgul are not Dragons. Though not formerly named in the book, they are referred to as Fell Beasts.
The Uruk Hai are Orcs, albeit a larger, superior kind. Uruk Hai simply means Orc Folk in Black Speech.
The author of The Lord of the Rings, J R R Tolkien, was Professor of Ancient Languages at The University of Oxford. He believed that cultures arose from language, so when he wrote his Middle Earth stories he invented the languages first, then created the peoples to fit them.
What you & others refer to as the Elvish language in the films is usually the Elven-tongue of "Sindarin." The original language of The Elves was "Quenya." In his book, The Silmarillion, a kind of prequal to The Hobbit & The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien tells how Elu Thingol, king of the Sindar Elves, created a new Elven language, Sindarin. This became the common tongue of The Elves, with their original Quenya becoming a ceremonial language.
Treebeard & the other Ents, though once trees, are now a race unto themselves. They were created by one of The Valar (Gods), Yavanna, a female Valar, to be shepherds of the forest. In the novel there are also trees that can move by churning their roots through the ground, called Huorns.
It was huorns that finished off the orcs at helm's deep in the films, although it isn't clear.
Uruk-Hai are superior indeed, their main 'buff' being that they are not negatively affected by sunlight.
You're right of course however, they are only mentioned by name & encountered in greater depth in the book. At the end of The Battle of Helms deep, the remainder of Saruman's army retreats into the forest that has magically appeared at the mouth of the valley, only to be "dispatched" by the Huorns. If memory serves me correct, Theoden marvels at the magic of Gandalf but t is then explained to all what actually occurred & how a forest appeared overnight. Later, Gandalf, Aragorn, Theoden & their party are overtaken by the moving forest of Huorns returning to Fangorn.
The Huorns are only alluded to in the extended edition of the film by Treebeard, but even then they are not named. @@cerisambrook7692
React to the Extended Edition of the final film when they're drinking at the pub at the end Aragorn tells Legolas: "... and then I tossed him." They both started laughing. It's great.
The tossing thing wasn’t in there. It was the drinking game. 😅😂🤣❤️
I chuckle whenever a reactor raises the "No body, no death" argument. This is a made up story -- even a body doesn't preclude the writer from bringing a character back.
You’re right😄
Watch the extended edition for Return of the King
They won’t. They’ll only watch the extended true versions of the trilogy as a re watch react session
Gandalf DID die, and was brought back,
When you get to Return Of The King you'll meet Denethor, Boromir and Faramir's father, and what motive Boromir has to even be in Rivendell for the council meeting. Boromir and Faramir are both human and live in Gondor. At the beginning of Fellowship Of The Ring Galadrial tells us that the hearts of men are easily corrupted and you saw the struggle Boromir had, but in the end you saw how honorable Boromir was and you'll see the same struggle with Faramir!
GaladriEL
In the books faramir is Aragorn level. Both brothers are Númenorean just like Aragorn but from a different family like.
@Makkaru112 I didn't know that, thank you.
The fates of the Elves and Men are inherently different; mortality of Men was originally a gift from Eru Iluvatar, one and only true God in this universe. After death, souls of Men leave the World behind, presumably moving on into something better in the afterlife. So, no matter how shitty and excruciating their fleeting time in the Arda (World) might hyave been, there is still hope of something better after death.
Elves, on the other hand, are inherently bound to the World. They are the Firstborn Children of Eru Iluvatar, having been awoken before Men. Their fate is strictly tied to that of Arda, meaning that the Elves are meant to endure as long as the Arda itself lasts. They do not age nor die from old age nor sickness, as Men do. However, they can be slain by physical violence (at war, in most cases) or die even from a grief. Remember, Elves are immortal beings, most ancient ones being thousands of years old. Sometimes the feelings of loss and despair, having seen so much death and destruction throughout the history of Arda, may become so overwhelming that it is just too much, and some individuals just choose to give up and leaving their physical body behind.
Even in those cases where an Elf "dies", it is not a death in a same sense as with Men; Souls (or spirits) of the Elves cannot escape from the Circles of the Arda. Their souls still reside within Arda, going to a place called "Halls of Mandos", waiting for to either be re-embodied and sent back to life, or stay in the Halls of Mandos, waiting for the End of the World. Either way, even in "death" they cannot escape from the cares of the World same way Men do.
The gift of men at the time was so their Fëa spirit couldn’t be snatched by Morgoth who was already infamous for doing such things. By joining Eru in the timeless halls. Théoden calls it “Golden Halls Of My Fathers, of who’s mighty company I shall not know the shame.” ❤️
Not all elves reach Valinor let alone knows if it’s real. For more answers I’d dive into the video by GirlNextGondor titled Necromancy! ❤️
To hold bow and arrow, its not easy thing to do, is it?
the biggest regreat here is that you didnt watch the extended version
we will for sure watch and also react to the extended version again of the 1ste and the 2e movie in the future. we watch all 3 movies of the hobbit the extended version:)
Bro, when you say Urukai, it is kinda sexy
React to Gollum’s Song
21:30 Congratulations on recognising that elf ... which also explains why this is FALSE, because RIVENDELL is ruled by Elrond and LOTHLORIEN is ruled by Galadriel. IF these elves were sent ... he should have said "sent by Galadriel" ... but this is another case of ...
"I take THINGS THAT NEVER HAPPENED for $200, Bob."
There were "reinforcements" in the book ... 30 human rangers (= noble/long-lived) plus the two sons of Elrond (Elladan and Elrohir) ... but they arrived after the Battle of Helm's Deep.
Oh, this "reaction" is obnoxious and superficial.
Las mujeres peleaban desde tiempos anteriores a esos, en muchos pueblos....La aparición de los pueblos patriarcales busco con diversas normativas religiosas y con tradiciones impuestas, apartarlas de cualquier relación con el poder y coartar de cualquier modo su libertad, tratando de reducirlas a objetos o ganado.....Aún estamos luchando....pero ni aun con esas han podido hacerlo.
Ha ha ido guerreras famosas griegas, libias, celtas, vikingas, japonesas ( en una civilización completamente patriarcal), chinas, congoleñas.....en cada diversa época...