Mrs Vicki's Ever Wandering Suburban comes to Lucore! OBS Suburban Tracking woes discovered!
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2023
- Well here's something that combines both our normal daily driver work and our support of fellow CZcamsrs and their projects, today we're tackling a reoccurring issue with Street Racing Channel / Old Man's Garage Mrs Vicki's white OBS Suburban! Having had a number of steering components replaced already and been looked at and aligned by pervious shops this big beautiful work wagon STILL wanders all over the road. What's up?!
As like many things we do this one started out as a quick "it might just need a proper alignment" and rapidly scaled into something completely different. Fortunately, we have the tools and experience to both properly diagnose AND properly repair the issues found. Also huge shout out to Mark at A-1 for him and his team and their seemingly endless supply of parts or ability to easily source them locally!
Also this video is the OFFICIAL launch of our new "I Support Bad Decisions" shirt that is now up! Featuring out 1979 AMC AMX project(s) as we try to make the Hellcat powered machine happen. All profits from the sale of this shirt will go directly towards making that project become a reality! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
In other words, it got de-bucko’d 😂
We're not pointing fingers!
Hey , that " Lack of maintenence " reference made me SMH!!
😂😂😂
Poor bucko
Oh no Austin. I just saw some clowns playing Dukes of Hazzard in your AMX
Another great video from Lucore Automotive, MISS Vicki is such a Kind person! She deserves a newer outfit, the hole family would benefit from a new rig. Holy smokes with all of Bill's friends and contacts he should be able to find a good low mile rig like the 64 and the Malibu. Thank you Rich and the Lucore Automotive crew for all the great content! Great explanation of all your work!
Nice tip on checking ball joints with torsion bar vehicles. I have a Isuzu pickup and never knew that… thanks !!!
Always happy to pass along some tips and tricks! 😉 You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Who doesn't love even bigger and better bad decisions!!!!
Absolutely Great 👍Content
That's been a problem with Alignment
Shops, Not doing Alignments correctly,
You are awesome and your procedure is very impressive
Have a Great Day 👍
God Bless America 🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸
Lol Ever wandering! That's good!
Killing it, Rich. My 2005 suburban still has the plastic inserts in the uca eccentrics, at 229k.
So, I never knew about the knockouts. Always wondered how to adjust it. Learn something every day.
There ya go, happy to pass on some old fart knowledge! 😀 Most trucks would have already had this done, it's rare to find one that hasn't.
Thanks for your years of knowledge
Keep up the good work 👍
Westcoast 🇨🇦
Great job as always Rich. With all the miles Bill and family put on that Suburban it`s a damn good thing you found how bad that upper ball joint was!! Miss Vicki will be very happy and a lot safer I`m sure!!
Absolutely Billy, that big white wagon is a work horse for all of them with THOUSANDS of miles ahead of it this year. Now none of us need worry and they can get back to doing what they do!
Great video thanks guys
Great job as always guys.
Thanks Lennie we appreciate it, just turning in an honest days hard work for a good customer! 👍
I enjoy watching, the knowledge you have is grate,teaching the newer techs about the older vehicles is priceless. I'm sureiss Vicky will be pleased. As always, great content, I learned a lot. As a Mopar guy, I was surprised to learn that GM' s used a torsion bar set-up.
Mopar guys are probably a lot more familiar with this setup, something a lot of Chevy folk wouldn't have seen or dealt with much. Fortunately we work on just about every brand imaginable so we were ready for it 😉
That and the completely ridiculous collection of tools and "tools" to get just about any job done.
Thanks for watching and continuing to help make us successful!
Thanks for sharing guys
Thanks for watching and supporting us!
Great video! Looking forward to Part 2!
Should be coming at you tomorrow evening, buttoned up, shipped, and tracking true!
You make it look easy. Keep on keeping on guy's 👍✌
Whew can promise this was NOT "easy" even if we made it look that way. And we HAVE to tools to do all this properly most shops don't 🙄
Your doing good rich keep it up
Trying to, Day in and day out! We appreciate the support!
Good to see you teaching the next generation of mechanics. We are gonna need em. 93 Chevy truck just replaced Everything except lower control arm. Riding Cadillac Style now.
Cool 😎 . Let’s go Mrs Vicki !
Gotta keep her ride rolling and ready for who knows what!
Thanks for the video very educational just for fun back in 1979 I built a 67 Camaro drag car needed a front end alignment so I drove it three miles up to Target they had a brand new front end alignment machine never used and two guys who worked that didn't know how to use it so I said hey man I'll do it so I did it turned out perfect didn't want to hire me but I didn't want no part of that but that was a really nice machine I was the first one to use it have a great day you got a really nice alignment machine put that apologize could have been things could have happened
So , Rich , when you " pryed " up to check the OTR..I've never seen it done like that !! I've learned a new technique and thanks for letting us ride along and see the method to your madness. Luckily for me , recommendations are done at the other end of the shop and when it gets to the rack the repaid are done !! I hope your cameras and pickups are better than ours. Lol...I have to close the doors so the wind doesn't make the screen blink and my parameters go bonkers...😅
Great work as always,Bill & Vickie are glad they have your talents in alignment but mechanics over all.
Thank you for always supporting us and what we do! This stuff isn't glorious, it isn't glamorous, but it keeps good people safe and doing what they do. Gotta keep Mrs Vicki safe and rolllin!
@@LucoreAuto gotta do everything possible to keep the "Cookie Express" from going down while on one of it's many Critical Mission Support runs that the entire team (and a few California Misfits) rely upon that Sleek & Sexy While Knight to always be road ready at a moments notice. That Suburban needs to always be ready for Vital Mission Support whether that's picking up extra Support Bums from the Columbus Airport after flying cross country with Democrat hippies to making emergency parts runs to Jeggs or running damaged heads and blocks to Uncle Bob all the way to making that midnight run to Dayton or the Carolinas with a trailer in tow to try and defend their their incredible name while earning a little gas money, lol, it's really incredible when you think about it how important this vehicle has been to the successful rise of this entire team!
Great job on this old Suburban. 👍👊
Thanks Terry! Bit off a bit more than expected with this one but keep working the issue and we'll get the win in the end 💪
I am really glad to see your channel is taking off. Great alignment work and other stuff!
Thank you Sir! We're still just small normal folk doing what we do and putting in an honest days work, glad a few people enjoy coming along for the ride on some of our projects!
Thx for helping mrs. Vicki …
Can't wait for part two on the Suburban!
It'll be on the alignment rack in the morning, should be able to share THAT part on Friday. 👍
Good job brother
Great job buddy I remember those knock outs very well 👍💯 from Alabama 🇺🇸 watching 👍
It was just a part of life doing front end suspension work on these things for like 2 decades. Don't see them much anymore but for a long while it was a constant thing.
Brought back memories spemt 30yrs as a master tech. Pontiac/GMC dealership i was the main suspension/ alignment tech. 😁👍✌
Awsome job Rich , atleast Miss Vicki will love her vehicle much more and thank god that upper ball joint didn't break on her and we know it was very close ... Good job Austin with the camera , tees and Amx 😊
Thanks Terry! Whole lot of work went into this thing, definitely a lot more than any of us had planned, but in the end it'll be good for thousands more miles now. More AMX content coming at ya next week!
Good alignment guys are hard to find. Once you find one, you stick with them like they are holding your money. LOL
I laughed just like Austin when i saw the caster measurements. Then saw the upper balljoint and thought wow no one back at the src homestead noticed this lol. They have been awfully busy with the race car work for months. Yeah it's wonderful telling the customers we got to charge you to take the knock outs out so that we can actually align your vehicle properly. Some are fine and some are horrible about it. Doesn't help the reputation bad mechanics give the public. Very good video it should have taught alot of people good information.
Definitely got to take care of Miss Vicky
Indeed we do Bill! She goes down the wheels come off the whole caravan!
A true master at his craft....
Learned through decades of hard work and frustration, as most skilled folks do. 👍
I just went thru this with my son's 95 z71 4 ball joints upper arm bushings idler arm and rag joint. It drives like a brand new truck. Everything else had already been done.
Good video Rick 😎
I have to say WOW!!!!!!
That was a "CLAPPED OUT " Upper Ball Joint. They definitely got there $$$ out of that one. Clearly SOMEONE (Or multiple someone's) Missed the ball on that diagnoses. Could only imagine the mess as there flying down the road with the trailer (and race Car on it) behind it at 70 mph. And that ball joint decides to check out.
Brought back old memories, I was doing alignments when that truck was new. Haven't seen those knockouts in over 20 years.
Certainly dusted off an old corner of brain for us too. There CAN'T be a lot of these things still running around that haven't had this done. Imagine... 25 YEARS and this thing was never really aligned properly!?
I know right.
Maybe Rich could give us a run-down on quality parts vs the cheap ones. Noticed moog was the choice of parts this go around.
Moog is almost always at the top of our list on repairs like these. We aren't ever going to be the cheapest shop, nor will we use the cheapest parts, we're "DO it right, DO it once" kind of folk!
"LOL,, this thing was just aligned,,WTH!" LuCore will make Miss Vikki's Suburban right AND most likely it will never see another alignment shop in it's life at the Hoskinson's house.
You guys are good.
Have learned through decades of blood sweat and bruised knuckles!
Yep, do a part 2. I have rebuilt a few front ends on S10s, 68,69,70 Novas , 65, 68 mustangs. I really should of did it for a living as I really enjoyed it. How ever , I did it off the floor of my garage. The lift is the way to do it.
Just needed some Lucore TLC 😁👍
Just a BIT 😉
My 98 still has the knockouts. I started to swap them once, but I've never had any wear or drivability issues, so I figured why mess with them. 🤷♂️
How many miles on it and have you had the alignment checked? There can't be many of these things still running around with them in!
@@LucoreAuto It's got around 180k. Had it checked around 100k when I hit a deer and messed the front up bad. It was fine then. I just replaced idler and pitman arm, they were surprisingly still in decent shape to my surprise, but changed them anyway. Im gonna do the rest of the front end soon just for preventative maintenance (just how I do things) and will get it checked again then. I just bought my 4th set of tires in the life of the truck, I've gotten over 50k on each set. So I can complain. I may just do the knockouts this time, before I take it in., So they just ,need to align it.
Gotta keep Miss Vicki safe!!!!
Indeed we do!! Imagine how fast that whole operation would come tumbling down if SHE was down for "maintenance"!
I wonder how many Chevy trucks have that knockout still left in place....big job indeed lucore at its best 💯 🙂👍🙏
It's probably something we could never find an answer to but it's curious. Even more so when it's only 1 side? Someone at some point at least tried to do it right? 😒 🤔
Thanks for your great info and videos. I wish I lived close to you so I could bring my vehicle in. I have a 1968 Chevelle with a 396 All new springs plus most of the steering. I drive this as a cruiser. What alignment specs would you use?I have 15 inch rims 28 inch tall rear and 26 on front with radial tires. Thanks for your time.
I have that tool in my box hope I never use it again keep up the good work
I usually don’t comment on videos but I must say I about choked on my Stromboli when I say where that alignment is lol 😅
Right!? Like... holy cow how did someone let this off their alignment rack!? No wonder it was a wild drive!
I currently going through replacing all of the uppers and lowers, on my '03 Ranger Edge, via my mechanic. It was toeing out bad on both sides. It has 212k on it.
I'd trust no one but Lucore to do the work on this vehicle, it carries precious cargo!!
I'm getting one of your shirts, "I support bad decisions"....just because, I made one once!
I have a 02 Silverado 4 wheel drive. And I need all of that done I sure wish you were closer
I would love to have you do it. It's hard to find an honest mechanic anymore.
You have to teach them young bucks.
I had a 1982 AMC Spirit which is basically the same as your AMX same body anyway
Yessir they share almost everything and a LOT of people will turn those into "AMXs"
Nice. #!!! 😊😊😊
Lucore for the WIN!!!!!
Thank you for keeping my baby girl safe
We'll do our best!
We've had many Suburbans in my family over the years, and they all eventually had the same issue. They just can't drive straight very well.
Had to be a Bowman Goodyear alignment here in Hebron
We aren't pointing fingers but there's been more than a few "opportunities" in this trucks past! 😮
The only parts not replaced with name brand parts {Moog/ACdelco are the lower control arms . It was aligned on a rack like yours . Can't wait to see your diag and fix . What's the best way to see if your AWD is engaged all the time . 96 safari AWD conversion should get better than 12 mpg
AWD check ? Jack up a front tire and see if it spins ?
So if the customer tows a lot do you set the alignment differently if so can you explain why you do or don’t do it ? I know for a rig that tows most of the time I used to set up my alignments differently for customers for a better tire wear ..plz let me know if you do thanks 🙏
Bushings make all the difference. So do new bolts. Did my 97 ranger 2.3 5sp front end after 220000 miles. If it wasn't part of the frame or power steering , it was replaced, except for the swing axles. Those got electrolysis de-rusted and new bushings. After de-rusting, the original grind marks from removing the cast flashing reappeared. POR'd them and they still look new years later. Truck has never steered so well.
Bolts don't make a bit if difference unless they're bent from a collision
@@dopeman420 well, when the bushing sleeves have been wearing steps into the bolts, replacing both makes a difference. 220,000 miles is alot of rubbing.
This sure does bring back some good ol' memories!
Cut your teeth on some OBS GMs too eh?
Oh yeah, under warranty when that truck was new! God I been doing this too long! 😂
What is that balljoint press and the adapter kit in the yellow hard case
@11:36 during the merch ad we spot a mid 60's Olds? perhaps a Matador? Is it a LuCore car or customers car? [edit] @14:26 we can see it sure looks like a '66 or '67 Cutlass but the roof line doesn't look right to be Oldsmobile. Anyway,, just an observation and another comment to help the algo. :)
thanks John. Its another gm A body. 65 F85 Oldsmobile Cutlass. Trying to actually put that one together this year.
Lucore Automotive is awesome!
Thanks Jay we try! Just some honest wrenches doing work and sharing a bit of it 👍
Saw my notch tool the other day in top of my box the other day. Yeah think we got $10 a side for notching them i don’t remember what they told customer a side
There's one hiding around here somewhere, probably in a half inch of dust or in the back of a drawer. Been a long long while!
Me watching this realizing I’m gonna have to pull my A arms back off my truck and punch the knockouts and that makes sense why it wouldn’t set right when I had it on the alignment rack last weekend 😑 the more you know
Its has a new L31 ..it better per!🤣
1st of all….
Tell Bill to go buy Mrs Vicki something new to drive!
2nd of all….
That’s what he gets for going astray from Lucore!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rich plz do something with that jeep
I hear you haven’t got to the compressor yet! lol The shop I worked in the owner said one of these days and then it finally took a shit and he had to buy a new one! lol Problem solved
I paid a shop that didn't knock those out . I paid another shop to knock them out . 4 k in mechanic and parts . Sorry for the rant but this is still my same problem .
um, did you say Hellcat powered AMX?
Yessir 😉
Ok, Im 9 mins into this video. And ill say this, If someone "Recently" did a alignment on this vehicle and we find this upper ball joint at "Near Catastrophic failure" as this is. Then Good Year needs to be off my list of reliable service providers. And told to "Stick to tires" because YOU SUCK AT EVERYTHING ELSE. Just as we found out with our 2009 2500HD Silverado 4 door truck recently. They told me it need the right outer Tie Rod end. At 240-K miles I said just go ahead and do BOTH left and right side outer's at the same time. Which we found they did, However they used a Moog on the right side. And AC -Delco on the left side. Well apparently someone either missed boxed the AC-Delco or it wasn't assembled correctly with the right length stud, Because when they put the castle nut on it. There wasn't but maybe 1- 1/2 turns on the nut before it tightened up. Not allowing you to even get a cotter pin threw it. So they decided to improvise. And used a nylon jam nut (The thinner type of jam nut) Well you can probably guess what happened soon after. So then they aligned it. Now the question that still remains is, When was the last time there alignment rack was recalibrated??? Because there surely was NO TEST DRIVE afterwards. Because had they, Then they would have IMMEDIATELY realized there was something wrong with there rack. All ill say is this, "There's a Good Year repair center in NE Ohio that id stay away from, Other than getting new tires installed or a flat repaired.
Oil or the lift it hurts the ears going up. Lol
I would take them out scrub them real good with carpet cleaner at the car wash then hang them in the car wash Bay and pressure wash them completely off or use your own pressure washer
This isn't maintenance this is lack of maintenance ask uncle Bucko...lol
Hey there have been one or two pairs of eyes on this thing over the years, it's not ALWAYS the last guy to touch it's fault! 😉
@@LucoreAuto I wasn't blaming Uncle Bucko.Ask him about Bills Lack of maintenance program...
@@greatwhitehunter420 oh I think we ALL know how well some of that has been documented 😉
@@LucoreAuto word
Those squeaky boots are Killin me!!! Lol😂
Uncle BuckO Is slipping lol
I fill ya rich it's like popping a zit lol I've said that so many times
Poor Bucko
If the knockouts haven't been removed how could someone do a proper alignment?
Exactly. This truck made it THAT long without EVER being properly aligned. Crazy to think about
Uncle Bucko lack of maintenance
i have a 99 i would never part with, had similar steering issues, one im old now and some people don't realize the older or weaker you are the more you tend to lean into the steering wheel, makes it a little iffy tracking, kinda like toe off. all the shops i took it to for alignment use the normal front end shop skuff for toe, being an old ex racer i finally took the time and stringed, i guess that's the way to say it, im sure you know what i mean, using a string in an x pattern then front to rear for toe. finally got it as good as it can get and just try to relax more when im driving, at 81 i tend to lean into it more than most. love these body styles, on another note, the model with the headlights like you have there, like mine, is the only vehicle i know of that you can buy real glass headlights for. i got tired of the plastic crap yrs ago, mine have been there for almost 8 years and still perfect, i can't remember the brand, not a seal beam and they were hard to find. so much better than plastic
DAM I M GOOD,HAHA
CONTROL ARMS PUNCHED OUT?
next step bilstien 5100 shocks for $100 each truck will be better then brand new monroe shocks are terrible .
I love Old man garage but I don't get why they have to send out the front end work. I do all my own front end work set the camber with a level and set the drivers side toe straight to the frame rail using a 2x4 to project the angle down the frame rail then set the passenger tire to the drivers side and that gets it really close for the alignment shop to finish off the rest once I can get a appointment but at least it gets me close enough to drive around
Because skill level = parts changer .
That said I don't expect somebody who was never in the industry to be " super tech" or anything ...
Bill says it's networking...views for views. You tube money....yea it's stupid but also smart...I'd still do my own work and alignments
There are a few things I'd do differently than these guys tho. But they kno what they're doing..
@@dopeman420 I never thought of the networking part
Bad news is ,there is no good news.
Exactly!
Soooo you are saying that there is a very good chance when buying even a new car/truck its alignment is done half a** & you might want to have it checked after purchase 😔
Replace the adjuster bolts. The OE ones WILL back off.
That's certainly an option, we're Aldo fans of loctite once everything is set. There's an extensive alignment process to go still and we'll be sure to address that. 👍
They will not back off if done correctly
Austin giggling like a shit….. lol
The RF caster is so far off it’s jiggling like a Walmart shopping cart and the toe is so far out, the left hand and right hand are arguing about which way we are going! Who aligned this thing? Nevermind, not trying to bad mouth anyone.
Looks like lack of maintenance
Luecor WILL FIXIT omg dont give it TO BILL bil hill blow it UP NEW show CONTENT FROM BILL blowitup😂❤✌
Why would bill take his cars anywhere else other then here
Unfortunately we are quite a haul from his house so for "regular" stuff most of the time it doesn't make sense. On a good day with no traffic it's a 45 minute drive around the city to us. Otherwise... we would probably need to build him an office 😉
I wish Bill would let you fix the speedometer in the ms vickie truck its been broke forever
THAT SUBURBIA N WILL ALSO NEED A STEERING BOX SOON. THEY TRIED TO ADJUST IT. WHEN YOU DO THAT THEY WEAR AND WANDER MORE.
You are correct Sir, that is also being done while it's in here. Just not a part of THIS video. Good knowledge though! 👌
Lol that red trash can is a biohazard can from a medical facility. Don't put that one out for the trash guy they definitely won't touch it and you might get a visit from the local PD. Worked in hospitals for 30 years saw that happen once when the facility got a call to come pick up biohazard waste sitting on the street a few blocks from the hospital hehe it was a bad day for the housekeeper that lived in the house
I see we don't like safety at lucore automotive lol using a hammer and punch and air hammer without safety glasses. Better not let Osha see this video 😵🤣
Shhhhh don't tell! 😉 In all honesty we HAVE gotten a lot better about that with the camera rolling so much now!
@LucoreAuto definitely won't tell lol I see u put them on after I said something in the comments 🤣 😂 u guys are too smart I definitely learn alot from the alignment videos 👍👍