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Great vid Alex. I’m sold on O-Group and have been reorganising all my 10mm for NW and E Europe. It didn’t work so well in 15mm for us as we like our armoured toys so staying with Daves excellent Panzergrenadier for them in Europe and Rapid Fire in the desert. I’d like to see some options to expand O-group to Brigade level for bigger games as well.
Cheers Nick, glad you enjoyed it. It's a great game and I'm completely sold on it. I'm sure there will be bigger game options in forthcoming supplements.
Thanks for making this. One very viable option if building a new force is to try Baccus 6mm. They have a series of packages aimed at O Group. I have painted a huge number of FoW models and just recently some Baccus 6mm tanks. The detail on the Baccus is simply STUNNING!!
You're welcome and yes the Baccus O Group sets are a great entry point for people to get in the game.
Thank Alex! That’s cleared up what figures to use and how to base them. I was going to use 6mm or 10 mm figures but after seeing your American Battalion I’ll have to go for 15mm as I’ll have to paint a German Battalion to match them.
I like the additional forces/support troops that are more often than not left out of Wargames.
I get the feeling that with a bit of thought using a map a Brigade level game could be played using a brigade frontage map plan the attack/defence but only 1 battalion is used which in defence the necessary supports are left in an unused part of the battlefield .
I’ve planned it out for a Napoleonic scenario but the club ended up blaming 1814 east of Paris. The campaign listed for over a year then petered out because one of the generals had got into a corner😕.
My first chance of capturing two Corps. Unlikely because I couldn’t risk a pitched battle with only the imperial guard.
Cheers, I'm glad it was useful!
Really informative and interesting view of the "O" Group investment for the ruleset, Alex. I've enjoyed the game videos and like the mechanics I see. I have oodles of 10mm WWII sitting in the lead pile given to me from a buddy. I'm gonna bite the "O" Group bullet, dig them out and get busy.
Cheers CC, glad you enjoyed the video. 10mm would work perfectly for O Group!
Great video, really looking forward to getting into this game.
Cheers Alex - that was really useful. I started a British Battalion last year but got lost in the composition and they sit in a box with about 60 painted. This means I won't need to expend too much effort to expand to a full battalion with supports. Might have to revisit this.
Cheers Don, you're welcome, yeah, you are more than half way there with your battalion already.
I really like the O Group battalion combat level and how the rules work, but I'm not much into the abstraction of units. Could the game be played using 1:1 or would it generate issues? I mean, in this video you are using a small FoW base with 3 models as a section, would it be possible to actually represent the entire section on diferent bases without changing the game mechanic? Like 2/3 bases of 10mm models for a section.
You might be able to do 1:1 in 6mm, the problem is, the bigger you get with the number of models the bigger your table will need to be.
10mm would work well.
You'd better go for 6mm for a 1:1 scale, but you could do it in 15mm as well. However, you'd probably want to increase your playing table. It could be done though.
I play in 6mm and have 6 figures on a section base sized 30x20mm. Had I gone for slightly bigger bases, say 30x30, I could certainly have been able to do 1:1. Problem is that the ground scale is the equivalent of ~2mm figures so the larger bases you do historical frontages may be skewed.
I do 1:1 for AFVs and that’s an easy change in 6mm.
Great video. I’m working on my 1/1, 6mm armies even now. Looking forward to getting them and “O” Group on the table.
You are welcome, thanks. I would go with 6mm if I was starting from scratch, but I have so many 15mm already. A 1:1 scale 6mm O group project would be ace!
An excellent video. I'm catching up on O Group content. Just ordered the bundle pack form the Lardies. I'm going with Victrix range. Looking at building a German late war army along with a British late war, Normandy era. I'm really liking the scale and the miniatures coming out of Victrix with battalion size games in mind.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This video is fantastic. Really helps get an idea of what's needed as someone who is new to this scale of wargaming.
I would also be keen to see a similar video for other games like I ain't been shot mum.
Keep up the good work
Thank you, glad it was useful. I do have a number of IABSM videos, on the channel, check out the playlist section. But I could do more videos on IABSM as it's such a good game.
Interesting but not sure I would want to get into another rule set. I have Command Decision Test of Battle that I am using for my ww2 gaming. Though that game has one base is a platoon scale so its roughly the same scale as O Group.
Very nice video, Alex - this will definitely help newcomers to O-Group. You did leave out one important point - - how many points does Tiny cost?😸😼😸. I have a bunch of old 12mm Minifigs that painted up for FoW. They port right over to OG with no trouble at all!! I am about to start on a couple of desert battalions.
I saw a couple of posts where people are asking you about doing more videos for making up battalions for other nations. What about doing one that deals with the strengths, weaknesses, tactics, etc of each army? As you indicated, the basics of building battalions are the same across the board. However, each nation’s army has a different way of playing it. Even different battalions from the same nAtion use different tactics! Just a thought.
Cheers, glad you enjoyed the video. Tiny is priceless... Yeah, that is a good idea bout the strengths and weaknesses. I already have a video about tactics and using phase lines, etc, so I could look at individual forces for another video. Good idea.
Perfect timing for me, as I've just bought the rules, and ordered the Early German army pack from Pendraken to get me started. Still deciding on base sizes, figure numbers, and what supports to add, so this is really helpful. Thanks Alex.
You are very welcome!
Thanks very much for this, Alex. Very helpful and easy to understand for someone just getting started with O Group.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it and it's useful..
Great explanation. Wish you had done this a year ago when I first started figuring out 'O Group'!
Glad you enjoyed it and sorry for the delay!
A very good video for someone (like me) who starts o group. Putting together the battalion with calculating the points has a little oldschool flair to it like list writing for WH fantasy back in the days🤟🏼🤩🫡
Thank you!
What i don't understand is where does the FO get's the transport from? Can't find it in the rules. Does it cost extra points or is it for free?
In the Cristot scenario both sides have a FOO with transport. It's not likely that a FOO would be wandering around on foot, so they get them for free. Don't overthink it.
Ok. I don't ask twice when things are for free😅
This is a brilliant video Alex, really clear and informative. Great looking army as well.
Cheers Stu! Much appreciated!
@@ShakosAndSprues 😂 Nope, but I’ll have large enough armies that I’ll happily play a game of O Group for a change etc, as I’d used them to play Battlegroup as well, but I’m definitely settled on FOW now 😆
@@ShakosAndSprues Good to be able to keep your options open.
Great explanation of just how easy it is to field an O Group army
Thank you, yes, it is very easy to put something together, especially if you already have FoW figures painted.
Very helpful video! It's a clear and concise explanation of what you're doing with some great tips thrown in.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
Thank you for the video! I will be ensuring that my Pacific project is also good for O Group thanks to you
You are welcome and I am glad to hear it!
Excellent video. I'll be sharing this with my mates for certain
Cheers John, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for sharing it!
Very useful for a new starter to O Group did you do a similar thing for Brits and Germans? or is this clear in the rules
Thanks, no, I only made this as an example, the other battalions are covered in the rules.
Exactly what I've wanted to see - made my day 1st thing this morning watching it whilst smoking a ciggy and slurping a coffee before the wife got up. Am loving the stuff you put out Please, please continue ..... oh, and a Xmas Wish List ..... a nice multi player mega bash about 2 hours long would be just something else (hint hint) mate.
Cheers buddy, glad you enjoyed the video. I have no intention of stopping anytime soon. I'll have to see about a bigger Xmas game, keep your eyes peeled...
Thanks Alex. Great video. Been tempted to get into O Group using 6mm figs for operation market garden. Would also like to do Battle for Guadalcanal but good 6mm imperial Japanese and USMC minis have been hard to find. Do you know if they are planning a Pacific theatre rules expansion in the future?
Thank you, yes, Dave Brown has plans for pacific supplements. It's all dependent on how fast he can write them, I guess.
If the platoon is the smallest battlefield unit, why split the infantry platoons into their three sections? Wouldn’t it be easier to use just one larger stand for each infantry platoon and smaller stands for the attached company/division specialty sections? I would think it save both the space needed to deploy each platoon and the number of miniatures needed.
Because sections are removed as casualties. What my other battle report videos and you'll see.
I must say, those bases look amazing.
Thanks!
Just looking into the rules for 6mm and with the FO dose he need a separate transport or can it be on the same base?
It doesn't *need* to be separate, as the FO will travel in the transport, but as long as you can differentiate if the transport is destroyed.
Many thanks, really useful. Very approximately, what area of ground would you say a 6'x4' table would cover at 15mm in O group?
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it. The ground scale in 15mm is 1" = 25yrds, approximately
This is a really great video Alex. It helped me understand the topic much better. As a plus the minis look fantastic. Excellent work all the way around. It will come in handy when I finally decide what scale I want to use to play.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you!
Just the video I was looking for! Absolutely brilliant. I’m looking at doing 20mm AB figures as I’ve recently got access to more table space. Hopefully going with 20mm is not a mistake.
I'm glad it was useful and you enjoyed it! 20mm would be fine, it's abstract enough to work for the rules anyway.
I'm also planning to do 20mm AB figures
@@leadpoetssociety9317 how are you planning on basing them?
@beargrisham still trying to work it out but so far thinking of 4mmx40mm bases for sections and 30x30 for company command.
@@leadpoetssociety9317 how many figures will you go with for your sections?
very good - thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Nice breakdown 👍
Glad you liked it!
Did they ever release Pacific theater rules?
Not yet.
For the artillery missions are you using 105mm howitzers ?
I’m currently not sure if I’ll use a 76.2mm field gun or 120mm howitzer for my Russian army.
Yeah, these are 105s. It makes no difference what you use, however, a 120mm might be a bit big on the table though.
Excellent video mate 👏👏👍
Cheers Steve! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for posting this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great stuff Thank you
Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it!
Would this rules set work with 25/28mm miniatures?
It would, but you might need a bigger table.
This is the video I have been waiting for, thanks as ever Alex!
My pleasure!
Now similar for the German and Russian Battalions
Yep, I second this request please
I can, but there wouldn't be much more to add than these here, just different supports. I can write one though.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it Miles!
@@StormofSteelWargaming Plastic Soldier Company is a great, cost effective way to get into the game. My only tweak would be to base infantry squads (sections for you Brits) on Flames of War medium bases - there are a lot of FOW armies looking for new homes these days!
@@milesreidy7864 indeed, its an easy swap from FoW basing to O Group. I had mine based originally for Rapid Fire though which is why I've always used the small base.