Why are there no new Mobile Operating Systems?
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Because no apps, that's it. I don't think it will change before a long time. Microsoft and other compagnies are really struggling on that point.
edyce most people only uses like 9 apps
Yes but consumers are more attracted by "what you can do" than "what you need"
Yap, apps and the ecosystem
So forget the consumer and focus on the needs of people at work. Make devices that help people be more productive at their jobs.
You haven't looked at the windows store over the last six months have you? The growth in just that time is phenomenal. From nothing, to hey, thats not bad. In a year or at worst, two, there will be no real "app gap". UWP has been a hugely successful strategy.
"Android and apple are so strong that..."
And Rome fell too.
And here we are August 2019, huawei announcing to roll their own OS out. Interesting times ahead.
@@McDoodle44 And here we are in February 22th, 2019 where Huawei still doesn't launch their Mate X and showing their new OS
@@rrektless The Mate X has already been launched and is available in China and South Korea, while Harmony OS is not
Rome lasted more then 2,000years. Apple and google will not last long yo. Remember Huawei and other companies are making their own OS. HAHAHHA 😂
@@rrektless they are on the stage on making a new OS but it gonna take a few years. Google is doomed yo😂😂
It is hard to understand how a discussion about operating systems omits any word about Linux
I don't see a problem with it. The general public has no idea what Linux is, and he did mention Chrome OS and Android, which are both based on the Linux kernel.
Linux/Unix is discussed indirectly because of the operating systems built on top of it such as Mac OS and Android OS. No one is going to sell a phone successfully that runs plain Linux because that is a desktop OS primarily.
@@dakrontu linux isn't even a desktop os. it's a kernel
you can run anything on it
it doesn't come with a ui, or a desktop, or graphics or a sound driver.
Linux can be anything.
Its cool that these programs took things from linux but lets be realistic. In the social world, no mass uses linux on their phones or computers. (Mind you i am not saying linux isnt used)
@@VIctorAbicalil He actually mentioned Ubutu Phone in 05:36
"If you can't beat them at their own game, change the game" -9:16
11 minutes into 1 line:
Making an OS is extremely hard, and resource intensive
thanks for summing it up
Thats actually a bad 1 liner, and is not the point of the video.
Making the OS is the easy part. Building the ecosystem around the OS is the hard part
I agree, IMO the biggest reason why Windows phones never caught on was that the app selection was garbage compared to IOS and Android.
It's not hard, relative to many problems developers solve on computers....But resource intensive (especially time consuming), yes.
Try to write this on essay without elaboration.
Quick answer, it's too late for new OS to get support from developers, take Microsoft phones for example no one wants to put apps on them.
mclste true..........
True
and that made Nokia go bankrupt
Thanks!
That's not because it's too late, it's just because MS sucks. I'd gladly port to a new OS that gave me something useful.
Microsoft shouldn't have given up easily
unfortunately Microsoft have never given up. they will come up with another pocket os. it will die like a fish tied to a rocket, and they will start again.
Microsoft is better off focusing on their tablets and bringing more developers to write apps for the microsoft app store or use progressive web apps. Windows 10 tablets have potential to completely take over the tablet market because the iPad is so limited and it’s only real strength is the App Store.
nex12bgr8 it looks like Microsoft have taken care of all the stuff you buy a Microsoft device for. App stores are for fun, not work. An app store not full of junk might be a good selling point. But there tablets do look good though
U guys got a point but, I think you already know how lost Lumia users must feel, i had one myself, the windows mobile os didn't fully used device's hardware potential, making it less competent than Android and iOS plus the lack of apps and user access of apps. It was like Installing puppy Linux(lite version of Linux) on a gaming pc. They lost customer's loyal and expectations (well at least mine). They should have made it open source like Android or convince devs like Apple. I have used these three mobile os but I am disappointed with windows.
Edit: and the most pain, I regret buying it cause its a waste of money.
They should have given linux a shot and called the OS something new and refreshing.
Tech Altar : There's no third mobile OS, yet
Huawei : I accepted that challenge!
5G make me drive hard AAAHAHHAHAH
1 year later
KaiOS
🤭🤪🤭
Nobody ever talks about how voice interfaces could help blind people. There's your market.
But blind people are only like .04% of the population - the generically visually impaired is about 2% and mostly elderly, that isn't a sustainable market to build your moonshot around.
Folopolis Don't let actual market research get in the way of your "disruptive" start-up!
im blind in one eye and half in the other im only 21 xd and I could use that
Nobody ever talks about how voice interfaces are useless for deaf or mute people. :/
Voice is still too limited, that's the problem. When they figure out how to do it properly then everybody will use it not only blind people. Also one thing that would help blind people would be a touchscreen with some kind of feedback system.
Hoping web base apps are the future! Staying in one app with a variety of functions sounds amazing compared to the constant switching we have to do.
Pop Culture Cult
there still a struggle with old browsers and systems that don't support html5 😂
Pop Culture Cult didn't the original iPhone do this. with all your stuff done in a web browser?
That would be pretty cool. But it would be pretty messy working out the details
Even if it is all in one app, you still have to switch between its functionalities :/
But you wouldn't need to switch apps, which meant no more extra background processes, and the RAM management would be easier if it just had to do 1 or 2 apps.
when im stressed i come to your videos your voice is really calming
Only three video's into this channel and it's already the best tech channel I've watched in a long while.
This channel is such a breath of fresh air
Totally agree!
CopperheadOS is a fairly niche market OS. Plus not many phones are supported yet.
why smelly? cos' it smells like burning wires or smth?:)
Taking 11mins to make a one sentence point is hardly a breath of fresh air on youtube. Its the standard procedure.
@@emeraldbonsai dirty unicorns is an android based os
There could be two big things that could change the game entirely.
1) X86 Windows in phones. Maybe a light 32bits version. And the phone replacing the laptop with a dock or something like this.
2) Android in laptops or full ARM pcs. I think a powerfull SOC, maybe a Cortex a73 Octa-core with a powerfull pc like graphics. If Google craft a Android PC version like them did with Android TV, Wear or Auto, something like Remix OS, they can bite a big piece of market. Android PC in ARM pcs can be sell cheaper than X86 and can be used in home or office/work/Enterprise.
I cannot understand why Google delay the natural step to pcs/laptops for android.
I think both of those are unlikely, and certainly, 32-bit x86 Windows is a dead concept.
Aldo 32 bit x86 CPUs haven't been built for a decade now
Aldo why x86 when the next version of IOS will be moving to 64 bit?
dela vago it did that years ago
Diego Antonio Rosario Palomino don't know to explain it but.. Ok look up on the news for the version of the os it will explain. The speak about making it fully 64 which will also make the iPad a better competitor with the surface. Blah blah. IOS isn't my thing. :D I'm a Java and CPP programmer. Still a bit new tho
I love your channel, man. It's a nice change from tech review channels.
okay this was my first video of you and dude your presentation and take is interesting and saperates you from other tech channels. job well done buddy.
even if smartphones are becoming more powerful they will never replace a desktop PC, if I want to surf web and be able to play AAA games in matter of few clicks and in comfor I will use a desktop PC beacuse it's better value / price wise components are cheap and for a price of a newest iPhone or Samsung I can have a powerful PC
most people waste large sums of money on a phone on which they mostly text and surf and occasionally play light games
Stormtrooper IMHO, smartphones aren't meant to replace the PC. they're designed towards coexistence with the PC.
But Tablets might replace desktop PC's in future
of course a (maybe?) 5 watt phone won't compete with a 250 watt (or more) PC, ever.
true I never give more then 150 euro for smartphone because of that I'm got now mid-range Pc and Notebook...:)
That's exactly why PC is not a very profitable business nowadays, and companies want to substitute it with something else more profitable. E.g. mobile devices are much more profitable market.
Ubuntu has convergence. The same Ubuntu operating system and universal apps across all platforms, phone, table, laptop, pc and server. If they get a high profile hardware partner that ships a powerful enough convergent device they could break in. That said I don't think that most of their apps have a sufficient mobile interface yet and the platform is very reliant on web apps which is a double edged sword.
Most of all, Ubuntu is Linux. Not based on Linux kernel like Android, it's actually a Linux distribution. Pretty much no app works on Linux that people use regularly (apart from web browser). And yes, they had a short lived advantage of Convergence but there was no marketing push and MS already does it with the apps that people actually use so I'm afraid Ubuntu's advantage at this stage is pretty much annihilated.
Ubuntu touch was before this Windows thing but somehow everyone did forget about that. -.-"
> Pretty much no app works on Linux that people use regularly
This is just wrong.
Wrong,
The distros are based on the kernel and most programs are available on Linux.
No, no, no. Few programs that people commonly use are available for Linux. What is available are alternatives - better or (mostly) worse. I'm not even a Word/Excel expert to see that OpenOffice/LibreOffice is no match. Ditto Photoshop vs. GIMP. I won't even start with multimedia creation.
So no, I am not wrong.
This series is amazing. Thank you
Your video was surprisingly interesting for a subject I thought I knew all about. Thanks! :)
I'd like to contribute one thought to voice control, such as with Amazon Echo: When you get them, they are so much fun to play around with, but eventually they do get boring in that respect. Where they can really do well is in home automation. I love coming home and saying "Alexa, lights on" and it just does it. :) However, when the net is out, or AWS are out, the Echo is completely useless..
It's also fun to turn the living room lights off from the bedroom and drive my wife crazy, who then in turn turns the bedroom lights back on... Then that goes on for a few minutes. :D
Google is the future
The future is Google
Flyboy Pc In the future, everything is chrome - SpongeBob, 1999
RemixedVoice nah, macOS, bro.
Frank Underwood Since the introduction of Android to the market it has taken the world by storm. MacOS is a PC software. There are a lot more Android users than any other software. MacOS isn't even in the competition. With apple's closed ecosystem and sky high product prices, its application and reach will always be limited. Google diversity and openness is its key to success. Even CZcams, is owned by Google. The searches you make are mainly by Google only unless you use bing or other low key search engines. Like it or not, there is no completion against Google.
The future is guggle
I'm not switching from Windows to Android because I love Android. I actually really like Windows, but it just sucks going through life saying "That looks cool! Oh... it's only on Android and iOS". There's only so many times you can say that, especially when I'm trying to get my music and merch out there, Windows doesn't have all the capabilities. So as much as I don't really like Android, I have no choice. And no, an iPhone isn't a choice. :P
Sadly, iOS would only be pain...
TheRealMikeShea I just switched from Windows Phone to Android a few months ago. I was a Windows phone user for a really long time, since that, Android really came a long way. During those years I couldn't imagine that I would switch to Android, but I have to admit I'm super happy with my S7 edge, and now there is no chance that I go back to WP. Android gives you so much more (including the OS and all the apps).
I just like like how Windows phone looks and how everything is very uniform so you don't have to remember where the menu is, it's always in the same place. It's just a nice system, although WP10 still needs some work. If it were more popular and more Developers would use Windows developer tools to port their apps, it would be while different story. I'm sad that I have to leave Windows behind for now, but excited that I'll be able to do much more.
It's not just Android by itself either. Samsung does a little bit of polishing with their phone software to make it an even better user experience from what I've learned comparing different Android phones to each other. Besides the batteries exploding in your hand and burning your house down, Samsung is pretty damn good at mobile devices and technology in general.
My first phone was the Galaxy S3 in 2013. The longer I had it, the more I hated it. It got slower and slower and the phone itself was ugly and I still think Samsung's phones are pretty terrible looking. I've heard that Samsung and Touchwiz have come a long way but there are so many android phones to choose from that Samsung is at the bottom of my list. Sorry, not sorry. I'm aiming more towards budget phones to get away from contracts because they're very expensive in Canada and I don't really need a $1000 phone. :P
Hey Marton, I love this series! You're research and understanding is second only to how well you explain the whole topic. I really appreciate your work so keep it up and keep telling us the story behind!
ChromeOS, aka, "Sell you a $150 machine for nearly 2x that, and sell your data anyway."
DxBlack yes but its Still cheaper than Apple
For what You get
name a $200 laptop that works as well as a chromebook as a remote desktop access point. Fact is, chromebooks are better than PCs at a lot of things, and having tiny batteries with long life while outsourcing processing power to a stationary machine is better and cheaper than having a powerful laptop. It's lighter, better battery life, smaller form factor, doesn't overheat, charges much faster, and costs so much less it's not even a comparison. Saying chromeOS isn't good or cost-efficient is a complete fabrication with nothing to back it up.
Chromebooks shine as amazing thin clients for SSH-ing into a mainframe
@@kylehart8829 Any laptop running Linux is far better than a laptop running ChromeOS.
Android challenge iOS at every aspect. iOS is alive because of Google's mercy. If Google stop its services for iOS, users of iOS will migrate to Android.
Their is nothing new or exciting in iOS. (my thoughts after using both iOS and Android for several years)
Freak_ Aniket_ That's ridiculous for several reasons.
Reason 1: 60% of Google's profit comes from iOS. That's right....iOS. In other words, Google "taking them from iOS" would be suicidal. I know most Android fans are ridiculously optimistic, but this is stupidity personified.
Reason 2: Apple at Google's mercy? Try the other way around. Last quarter alone Apple made 106% of the Mobile industries profits. 106%! That shouldn't even be possible.... but it's be that way for a decade now. No one makes money with Android, and in a few years, companies will start to come to their senses and see the loses aren't worth it.
Tl;dr- Don't be an idiot, do research before making ridiculous claims.
Kiko Eschobar the Android market share is actually higher than the apple market because there are more android users out there in the world. Your facts scheme to come from Wikipedia 😂
Freak_ Aniket_ android fanboys are blind to se the unnatural UI physics, it causes brain damage, never android
Kiko Eschobar Thank You. iOS and Android are in a symbiotic relationship. Though Android probably benefits more from iOS than the other way around.
awais ahmed No shit Sherlock. What did that even have to do with my comment?
Hey! do a video on how Reliance Jio (4G LTE service provider in India) went to 100 Million customers in last 6 months since launch! Just watch Mukesh ambani's (Owner of Reliance, one of the richest man in world) press conference on 21 Feb 2017. India went from 150th place in mobile internet penetration to 1st place in just 6 months! Jio users use more internet than the whole united states internet usage! and 50% more than chinese mobile internet users traffic! all this in just 6 months!
That sounds pretty impressive, I will make some research!
Please dont make the research, we want facts!
Pritish Patil jio user? *hifive!*
TechAltar you should research about jio, they've changed the way how Indians use internet and they've announced internet plans on such a cheaper rate nobody can resist! just look for yourself sir you'll be impressed
pen icks hey come on man. Don't be that guy
must do
Love these videos! And 1:58 - subliminal T-Mobile commercial?
I never hear people talk about KaiOS for mid-range phones. They are actually doing very especially in India.
Shame we are stuck with Android and iOS, both suck!
I have a Symbian Nokia
ΑΡΗΣ ΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ Well that sucks even more
BADBOYONE And Nokia?
Yeah, I'd love to have a phone with fully blown Windows.
both are pretty good.
Crowdfund this and create an OS with the customizability and features of Android, Stability and Performance of iOS, Aesthetics and layout of Windows 10 Mobile
Adi Randhawa That's exactly what I was thinking about. Utilising resources at its best
Hard thing about that is there's compromises that have to be made. if it's crowdfunded, or open source, it'll be a lot more like android than ios. ios performs well because of the "walled garden" that they are with their hardware and a few tricks with animations and sensitivity.
You'd have to know exactly what the hardware configurations would be for the devices, and somehow get it optimized between several developers if it's programmed in a crowdfund/open source kind of way.
I wish the solution were as simple as you say though
Adi Randhawa make it run apks and exes
Of course just do it. If it were feasible, some of it would already have been done - at least Android would have the stability of iOS.
Adi Randhawa Google Andromeda is basically the future.
Very interesting insight in the industry, thanks! I also like the subtle soundtrack in the background of your video.
Watched this 2 years later and nothing have changed, could have been made today word for word.
You're so professional. Why don't you have more subscribers, you deserve it. Keep the good work going :D
Saber Wali because there's already too many tech channels on CZcams to begin with. there's also too many phone review channels on CZcams also.
Because he is reasonable with his subjects and titles, now if he did horrid click bait like the big channels do... then things might change.
hes boring
The growth of a channel is strongly limited by the range of characteristics of the potential audience, which is in this case, would be the people who are actually smart and analytical to a certain degree, and interested in the evolution of mobile computing.
Professional ≠ Popular
Wrong
i used chrome os but I didn't like it because internet speeds are not that great in India and its costly too at least in tier 3 cities. what do you think about tizen os? can it excel in lower midrange phones?
bhai network thik se nhi ata h mere area mei aur speed bhi avi bht bekar aa rha h
chrome os is SH!T.....Windows 10 is the best...and it's worth the price...as for tizen os....i haven't even heard the name
Suyash Kant i dont know if tizen can grab part of the smartphone os ecosystem but tizen does has a better chance in the watch os as smart watches are not at the point where they can impact or ease our day to day activity....
I think it has a chance if it either somehow changes the hardware or the app situation. If it becomes just another smartphone OS that looks like Android but isn't, then I don't see a bright future for it.
There is no real advantage to Tizen over Android. Samsung is pushing it because it wants to become less reliant on Google but even they couldn't make it work. People are so entrenched in Google/Apple ecosystem it's not really viable to put out another Android clone, as Martin already said.
Samsung even had to make it run Android apps to even consider putting it on the phones so where is the advantage?
Learned something new. Thanks for the thought-provoking 'what ifs' in technology. Changing the rules is the key!
Been watching your videos lately, very informative.
Just subbed.
Cheers!
Linux could run easily. Mac swapped to unix-based OS and the first mobile to put a nice wrapper on unix would break-in and dominate mobile. Unix has everything - security, multi-thread, apps, etc.
yeah but linux is a bit slow that would be the problem
Android is a Linux-based system. Linux is a Unix look-alike system. IOS is a Next-based system, which is a Unix-based system. Linux can be optimized to any sized platform. The only question is, does it make economic sense to, or is memory and MIPS so cheap that it makes more sense to throw extra hardware at it and call it done.
Measuring complexity of code by the number of lines. Not really the best way to do that
CyberD it's an easy way to explain it to a casual audience
exactly if he had to go and explain why you can't run iOS on random hardware due to "compatibility" people would not be interested.
CyberD it could signify a worse OS sometimes. The code could be inefficient and so use a lot of lines.
It's level 3 complexity, is that better?
Lower level optimization techniques.
This is one of the best videos I've seen from this channel. Indeed if we're talking about the future , I see the web as an all-pervading platform that is compatible and runs the same across all operating systems. Not to mention the cloud and its associated apps and services. I am not sure where I heard this rumor , or whether it was about Marshmallow or Nougat , but Android was supposed to herald a feature that allowed users to play with an app on an as-needed basis. For example , I use Flashify to flash ROMs on my Samsung and mods on my Galaxy Note 3. The same can be done using CWM / TWRP recovery too , but the convenience of being able to make a Nandroid backup of your entire phone without having to switch it off and turning it back on is a real gem. And depending on what your smartphone manufacturer , what the UI is like , what apps are installed , you know that backups can take half an hour or more. I have fallen for your / ASUS's idea of one device i.e. convergence since 2014. But I wasn't able to lay my hands on any such device.
It's really sad to say in 2019, MS killed his WP, that had actually great potential to compete with IOS and Android.
Not really, its reputation wouldve been hard to repair after that crappy launch, and it wouldve taken a lot of money to get it to a decent point
Subscribed. Thoroughly enjoyed the insight.
7:42 Need to do the card
Added, thanks!
TechAltar amazon has its own fire OS correction
Varun sawant fire os is android
L I N U X
Silica I want Liiiiiinux toooo!
Well since all gaming consoles are built around Linux and Xbox is Windows, not a bad idea! There are mods to run Ubuntu or Kali tho but root is usually needed. Have people forgot about Windows mobile OS? Granted tho it's really underrated besides Android.
Tech Mario you know that windows is spying on you and its not easy to turn it off because every update enables it again? at least on win 10
GoldenDiamond Apple my windows 10 system I have not updated. And yeah I had the idea of that with popular tech companies like Google too. Yesterday I got an LG G6 android phone, and I'd love to use Google's services like voice search, the app and play but it's frickin' annoying that they need permission to spy on you to do so. Even in chrome, it will inevitably show your previous searches unless you opt out altogether, which is why I've always stuck with firefox.
GoldenDiamond Apple Could you tell me a really good app I can use where I can still use google services but not get spied on every time? Thanks.
I like the idea of combining a portable gaming console and home gaming console. That's very clever. Wait a minute... Nintendo?
why did Google allow Apple to use Google Apps on iPhones? They didnt allow Window Mobile to do this... If iOS wouldn't have google apps, so many people will stick with Android phones
comedyman112 money
Because of money.
Not really.
They allow it because Google is in the business of advertising. All the apps developed are just a way to build an audience. Their business model is audience aggregation. It is like Facebook, they give Facebook for free while in return having a huge audience to market to.
As far of the reason - Apple and Google collaborated for a long time. However, you see it wrong. It is not that Google allows Apple to use the apps. It is that Apple wants to use Google apps.
For every Google app there, there are many alternatives, some better than others. GMail, GDrive, all of them have strong competitors and are not hard to replace. However, when Apple uses Google apps, Google gets access to the customers for advertising purposes.
It is not like Apple is doing Google a favor but people tend to see this in reverse. Google benefits from Apple a lot more than Apple benefits from Google. In the end, both parties earn money from this but as someone who is in the industry, bringing one billion potential IOS devices to Google (active number of IOS devices) is a far better ROI than bringing GMail, GDocs and Google Maps.
I wouldn't say that Google would die without Apple but it is the main strategic partner.
PS: Read this: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-22/google-paid-apple-1-billion-to-keep-search-bar-on-iphone
Becuase they dont want the little man to get a little piece of google and apples monopolistic pie
well i think think of 2 reasons:
1. Money $$
2. Apple may release or tie up with alternatives and as Apple is a big company Google may go a little down
Unix/Linux core is the future for 99% of OSs. I am without bias, I just think that it’s highly unlikely that anyone will start from scratch and these kernels are free & proven
Guess what's already on the linux kernel?
Why I' would want to make a open source OS.
I don't see the point
android much?
@@supercellex4D Yeah, I don't see why people don't like Android. It IS that infinitely customizable unix-based OS, and if we can figure out a way to run all apps on bare metal with a single image file (sort of like the appimage thing on Linux) it'd be perfect because we wouldn't have to deal with the problems caused by running apps in a VM.
7:42 The Red Arrow does not point at a link xD Looks funny xD
ARI (Augmented Reality Interface) is definitely going to be the next evolutionary step from the GUI (Graphical User Interface) and honestly I think it'll be interesting to see ARI reach outside the confines of AR goggles (such as Microsoft Hololens) and camera apps
Nice video just subbed
ditto
keep an eye on the upcoming Fuchsia operating system, it might replace borh Windows and Android
Looking forward to it hoping it's coming out great 👌😃 & curious about redox os (can)
If youtube ran like the app, but in my phones web browser, that would be inedible.
when i see languages like Rust compiling on multiple platforms, i see a future for a platform thats just like java but limited to hardware interfacing, to help apps achieve what JVM failed due to its size.
Sailfish OS is pretty good btw
All of this cloud stuff just makes me love Linux more. I feel like i own it, and it has my interests at hart.
It's what PC's used to be in the 90s. Enjoy it while you have it. What the global elites have pushed tech for the last 10 years isn't going to be pretty. Hopefully your old enough to not face our coming dangers as it's going to be hell on earth. Hope you have a ticket out of here.
@@kylehill3643 Global elites? Hell on earth? WTF
just discovered the channel, very interesting ideas, i love the idea of webapps accessible on any OS, it's gonna happen sooner than we think.
Chrome is now asking me to allow notifications on 80% of the websites i visit, it seems like these same websites wanna act like apps already !
many of the apps we use already are "website shortcuts" like domino's pizza's (for the french version, don't know about U.S) so yeah that would make smartphones really FREE AT LAST ! and so much easier for every developper and startups won't just can't afford their own app.
you've earned a sub :)
The quality of the content on this channel is insanely good
As a software engineer I'd like to chip in a little bit on the apps front. What we see today is that an increasing number of apps are getting very simple. At least the bit of them you have installed on your phone. Many of them are today just essentially a rest interface connected to a cloud app that does all the important stuff. I think we will move further and further towards this, considering that the networks are getting faster, cheaper and more stable; with 5G being tested by operators this year.
And when they're built like that you can create the platform specific app in a manner of days, and focus your resources on the cloud where you don't care what platforms your users are on.
This means that we rely less and less on the actual OS. This change however is different to what we've seen before in that it's not a game changer in any way. Apple and google are on board, in fact google leads the way. But it will also mean that it will be easier to develop for other platforms, I think this is where samsung is hoping to get in the game. I would not be surprised if they will launch their own linux based mobile OS in about 5 years.
Völundr Frey nice you re actually knowledgeable in this sphere
Agree, it makes sense for developers to have fuller control of their software and the hardware it's running on, Apple's philosophy. There'll be cost and power benefits too: we're all currently carrying about hardware that's barely used most of the time, (other than to run down the battery running down excessive programs in standby). Centralising it would be like the electricity grid, only bigger and better at smoothing out the supply and demand to run even more efficiently on smaller resources.
There might be resistance where people are invested intellectually in their current software, but we've already seen Microsoft, Windows & Office adapt away from that business model. Even though it made Gates's fortune they saw the writing on the wall and reacted with Bing & Windows 10. Besides, all you'd need are emulators on the server side to run your legacy Android apps etc, faster and without choking up the resources on your old, bloated, hardware.
Device manufacturers would see the biggest threat as there'd be less reason to update your gadgets so often, though screens, cameras and gimmicks like nfc already do more to sell phones.
"Let's make a device- exclusively using applications that are stored on a remote server using an aging protocol- that doesn't function without an internet connection," said several of the most idiotic companies on the planet.
First off: I really don't get why people see the worldwide web as the end-all/be-all. There can and will be new protocols in the future
Second: What use would my portable computer be to me if I don't want to pay for internet service to be able to even use it in the first place? As an end user, I want something that I can use on -or- offline! Forget this WebOS retardation!
Well, on an iPhone you can't install apps while you're offline, no matter if it's a web app or a traditional app. On Android you could theoretically sideload apps, but for the majority of users 'no internet' already equals 'no apps', so that game's lost already.
And as for "stored on a remote server" - what do you think where apps from the Play Store/App Store reside? Right, remote servers. Then you download them and install them locally. Same for progressive web apps - they're on a remote server, then you open them once, they install/cache themselves and from then on you don't need an internet connection to use them.
I agree about curretn web protocols not being here forever though. But as for that - changing one app/service to a new protocol/platform/system is probably better than migrating 20 different services to the new distribution system, whatever it'll be...
Jonas Kuske that's incredibly stupid, and missed every single point presented.
a) What a thorough response full of solid arguments!
b) I think you don't know how Progressive Web Apps work if you really believe I "missed every point". Which point did miss?
Feel free to elaborate.
security mostly, we do checks against our apps via cloud so people don't rip us off, never trust the consumer to do the right thing, thats my moto
Maybe accept that the internet exists and is the future? Honestly the whole no internet viewpoint is really shortsighted imo, for many reasons i dont feel like explaining to some randok person on youtube
The app/web convergence is pretty much already happening. There are many tools available that allow you to deploy the same code to any platform you desire. You have Electron which has been around a while and mostly just packages apps, Ionic which provides a hybrid approach and allows access to most of the native APIs. NativeScript seems to have taken the last step and provides full native performance as well as native styling and UI. Unless you're making an advanced 3D game, there really aren't many reasons anymore to not use a cross-platform framework. Even stuff like fingerprint scanners can now be used in what's essentially a web app.
Give it a few more years and the difference between apps and websites will become pretty insignificant.
Well for voice controls it'll get better in the future (Like Star Trek style, where it's very precis) currently we aren't at the correct technological level for Voice Controls being widely used, but I think it'll work in the future when they can get more accurate.
My wife used to rely on voice control a lot.. she stopped using since we have 2 kids.. good luck in issuing effective voice command with 2 kids reading/screaming/playing/crying loudly most the time..
PRAISE THE LIBREM5 WITH PUREOS AND PLASMA MOBILE! :D
NINTENDO PHONE!!
SLYKILLER hell no
lol
YES!!!!!
SLYKILLER YES!
SLYKILLER PLS NO
I love Nintendo i even have a Wii U
But no
JUST NO
Don't ruin the great name of wonderful Nintendo
Shitty Nintendo phones would do that
The Graphical User interface (GUI) came as a reaction to a Text based User interface (TUI), and since that time a numerous of GUI has been developed. The next step in this direction could be the development of VRUI, Virtual Reality User Interface (Examples; Oculus and HTC vive). In this marked also smaller companies could jump into the competition.
Hey, amazon sort of do have their own OS.
They have FireOS which technically is Android but is heavily modified
If it's Android it's not their own os
There is Linux programmers working on it now. Can't wait
Firefox OS was doing pretty good until they pulled the plug... More phones where coming out and even Panasonic tv's... What where they expecting? They would be market leader in a few years like With Android and Symbian.......
Really appreciate the hard work you put into developing such unique and informative videos. Keep going!!
Regarding convergence: As someone who has had 4 touch-computers, two of which had some sort of 360 degree hinge and one of which had a detachable screen, I think I can conclude, that the gap is too big.
I never actually used the crazy hinges for anything but wowfactor. Even being able to take the screen off doesn't work: Either the screen is too big to be a tablet or too small to be a computer, and if you want the screen to have enough processing power to work as a computer, the machine gets extremely top-heavy and the screen gets thicker than a regular tablet.
I don't think we should be trying to merge different categories of devices together, at least not without providing different screensizes, like the Phonepad you mentioned.
I do think, however, that the idea of expanding the categories is interesting: Not making computers that are also tablets, but computers that can do more than regular computers. A great example of this, I think, is the Acer Aspire R13's with their ezel aero hinges - the screen can spin independent of the keyboard (google it, it's awesome... or watch this czcams.com/video/jTZZjRb5AV0/video.html)
I don't like both IOS and Android so I aim to create a new OS but y'know, just a dream by a 14 year old
Marcell Bryan good luck with that! 😂😂😂
Clint Thomas Gonna be a long hard journey...
Use fuchsia os when it comes out lel
Marcell Bryan go for it! I'm also getting interested in development of alternative operating systems. In fact I'm running a custom rom on this phone now and that's just the start.
Young People coding an os - great idea - good luck . but I think you should start with an existing kernel(Linux as example)
Its almost 2024 and we still don't have any alternative to android and ios.
thank you for your hard working to cover such as these topics , i 'm convinced that people could change the way things work , am also thinking about one fact that when something get to the peak it's probably will fall down so others could build new things , people minds are tremendous , there are no limits
I agree with you on the problems with voice controls. I live in Barcelona, Spain, and if I use Siri to tell me how the weather is, no problem, but if I want to listen to "Dire Straits" for example, Siri it's incapable of understanding since it's set in Spanish. Also, where I live we also speak Catalan, not only Spanish, so many names of streets and places are in Catalan so I can't rely on voice control when I'm asking for a direction.
Today Huawei officially announced their upcoming Harmony OS. Interesting times ahead....
1 year later and still not released for phones...
@@stephen9849 google is probably doing to huawei what it did to microsoft
Introducing the surface phone-the phone that can replace your laptop...please Microsoft
Great video man You are very informative and straightforward with your presentation. Keep up the great work!!! 💯
Regarding convertibles: There is no real hint that we're close to any of these convertibles going mainstream.
There's just no need, there's too much compromise. Sure, an iPad might one day become capable enough that an ultra thin MacBook isn't needed, or even a MacBook Pro is unnecessary, but then you'll still also want pocket-sized device, or a device you can wear on your wrist.
If it eventually becomes possible to converge everything, so you could build a watch that you can take off, unroll into a tablet and then dock into a "desktop" setup. But I want to know: what's the point? To have your information everywhere? Google, Microsoft and Apple are all working to solve that problem right now, and it's largely solved. The kinks will get worked out much sooner than some kind of futuristic device which can morph into all form factors.
just go 2-in-1+laptop, that's the Pinnacle of convertibles
Did anyone get the yarn add? It was so bad I passed away and was reincarnated by the time it was finished and then died again, talk about torture.
iProfessionall Ik its annoying AF and their "scary stories" are lame from the ad.
Le Weenie Boy
I got a tiktok Johnny Johnny baby shark ad
I feel like the new and upcoming google OS Fuchisa is very relavant to this subject and you didn't mention it. Might want to give it a look, but basically it's one OS for phones and computers at the same time.
nobody seems to know what it's for :P
> basically it's one OS for phones and computers at the same time
That doesn't sound right... Where are you getting that from?
Well it's a class of operating system kernel called a microkernel, which you can tell from looking at the code or taking expert opinions, and because of that it means it gets high modularity. The operating system can load drivers for a touch screen, or drivers for an automatic car and be the exact same os. It's the expert's that are saying because of this modularity and because of the fact that google is attempting to get into computers and phones, that Andromeda OS is designed for computers and phones. If you look at the code you can already see that it has drivers for desktop graphics in dart, and they are currently porting dart over to android as well. You can read more on this from just about any tech news website, but here is IMO the best source
techspecs.blog/blog/2017/2/14/googles-not-so-secret-new-os
apps can be made once on many platforms now and launched to everything. see ionic and react native for example.
I feel like Nintendo Switch, despite being a gaming device rather than a general use computer, hits on a few points in this video. It has some modularity with the controllers, especially if they develop other devices that can attach to it, and it works as both a mobile and home console. Now if they can just combine everything together into one, modular device that does everything, that would be awesome.
Ubuntu touch, tizen, Windows, sailfish, etc.
Many would be great, but they can't get the app ecosystem to convert people. Ubuntu and Windows have the amazing convergence concept (the ubuntu edge would've been incredible) but they can't get rolling with no users, and they can't get users without apps, and devs don't want to work on a platform without users.. It's a vicious cycle.
However if ubuntu can get Android app compatibility to start with maybe that could change.
“The only road to victory was to take a different approach”
This is where KaiOS comes in.
Noral Asiah KaiOS stands for Kill Apple iOS.
@@dakrontu this will effects Google not apple
I guess sometime in the future commercial systems will be controlled by gestures (hand movements, facial expressions) but the ultimate would be a direct interface with the mind. I'm sure that in some secret lab these things are already being tested and used.
Chromebooks adding support for Play Store really has made a good step between unifying form factors
I hope to see a universal computer and operating system soon too. A computer that i can use as a mobile device and easily connect it to larger screens at home and work.
Windows 10 actually is the most promising platform to deliver a truly disruptive device. Cant wait to see how it performs on Snapdragon 835 and other ARM processors.
Google 'Neptune Hub'. You'll be happy I told you.
A one company monopoly however...it should be open source like Android, where companies can sell and create their own versions whilst keeping it universal.
great video! get us some good MWC Coverage, Oppo also will be there. They teased a "5X" device
I will check them out for sure!
you right on the fact that UX is unilateral without depending on the platform. The only problem is for developer knowing which way they will be dveloped
having an app for everything instead of just a web browser is my least favorite trend ever
Cloud based is great until it isn't and you have a massive breach of security. No, what's needed is a consolidation and something to deal with Patent Trolls and security breaches. Most apps are already ported insecure 'web apps.' Personally, I prefer 'real' Apps which is often where Google often falls flat.
There have been other better OSes but without support have failed. Alternatively, if existing companies like Google, Apple, Microsoft merge you have antitrust issues.
Massive breaches of security have happened on our desktop hardware that are largely clones. Often by exploiting our idiot status in not keeping it updated or being duped in to installing viruses . I'd feel safer with fewer people having access to the server code behind the firewall to figure out how to hack it and dedicated professionals watching over it.
I think the future is in bots, and web pages that are apps in he same time.
I want to see a form factor like the communicators from Earth Final Conflict. These could expand as much as needed, giving you a phone, tablet, or full size screen in a wallet sized device.
Your videos are great with lot of deep analysis. Keep it up.
I think samsung has an os called tizen too. Few years ago I was reading articles about how they were planning to release the new galaxy phones with tizen dropping android. I'm sort of glad that didn't happen
I wish Palm's webOS could have survived...
I have been running an IT consulting company for last 25 years. This is the most impressive and interesting information technology channel. Of course, I subscribed.
My biggest issue with web apps currently is we really don't have anything akin to a "visual basic" for them yet. You have to navigate a series of languages both on the front end and the back end, pay for some sort of hosting provider, worry about security and performance, etc. Having CSS, HTML, JavaScript, some sort of backend language, etc is great when you're a business that can hire experts to master each of the languages. It's not so great when you're a first time developer and you look at all of it and say to yourself "I have to learn all of this?"
Also - I've yet to come across a good experience when network connectivity is a problem. With a slow connection, most web apps will try to re-download updates to the page, and since the connection speed is so slow, that can be painful. When totally offline, even web apps that are supposedly supposed to support offline access will often not have important resources downloaded and cached, resulting in a web app that doesn't work.
While economic considerations are a reality, there’s another major factor.
At this point, only one OS is being used in large numbers, that is NOT a variety of UNIX. Windows. Even Android uses a variety of Linux under its user interface.
The reason for this is not obvious, but makes sense when you think about it. Windows is still prevalent, but is in a shrinking market share position (I know, Windows fans are choking). The reason for this is the basic internal architecture of Windows. Which is actually quote primitive, and this is leading to a law of diminishing returns, in terms of where computing is going into the future.
For example, because all process calls are tagged to a user call, Windows servers have to load a separate copy of an app, for each user that wants to use the same app.This is called non-re-entrancy. All true UNIX systems, have re-entrancy, which means 14-users can use the same app, with only one copy in memory.
This, and many other system level OS functions, place UNIX in general in a increasing growth mode. It is slow, but continuous, and cannot be held off forever by our friends at Microsoft. This is the main reason for the recent actions at MS to position themselves in data-retrieval, cloud-computing, and in a fairly recent development (the last 10-15 years) they have finally attempted to compete in the hardware computing space.
They won’t publicly admit it, but they know the salad days of Windows dominance is waining. To stay solvent, they’re moving to other areas of the computing business. That too is forced by economics. Their actual profits from Windows, and software dependent on it, is shrinking; all proven by the decline in Windows system sales for a number of years, continuously without much deviation.
I think that Microsoft is working on a completely new OS as a long project and thats why windows 10 is going to be the last major windows release. It will probably take at least 5 more years if not more but i think. They must realize too that Windows is now a primitive OS and not very much more can be accomplished with the old windows NT kernel. Hell with some modification you can even get windows 2000 to run most modern windows programs which shows how little has been truly changed
Whatever microsofts new OS ends up being i dont think it will be called windows and if it is it wont be based on NT like 10 and 7 are. It will be a really long game though to replace windows NT considering how many programs will need porting over etc
Here is the major problem
New OS = few apps
Few apps = few customers
Few customers = no apps
Did you even see the video?
Wonder what you would think of the librem 5 in this case. It's hoping to bring linux to smartphone space (using a debian-base). It'll have a good amount of software already written; course optimization is a whole other issue
Haven't watched the video, but samsung has been working on Tizen which they use on TVs and have used on some of their phones a few years ago.
Linux based operating systems could easily be used on phones so we may see some of those popping up every now and then.