Menaka Guruswamy and Arundhati Katju | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
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Arundhati Katju and Menaka Guruswamy are Indian public-interest lawyers, renowned for litigating the 2018 Supreme Court case that struck down elements of Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, thereby decriminalising homosexual sex in India. The case was a watershed for LGBTQ+ rights in India, and has been celebrated domestically and internationally as a victory for human rights.
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These two women changed so many lives and we can't thank them enough.
Ignore the idiot commenting on this with emojis. You are right, they've helped so many people. I applaud their courage. Many people seem to think homosexuality is a 'western'/'modern' concept, neither of which it is
@SOptimus Neo 😂😂😂😂 that makes no sense you psycho
@SOptimus Neo oh no please don't hurt me with your very dangerous emojis hahahahaha
@SOptimus Neo are you the one from the" boys locker room" .
I know siddharth Roy, being a part of lgbtqia+ community makes us vulnerable especially in a society like India but dont lose heart our wounds make is stronger dear
This also represents the beauty of the diversity in India. One of them is a Kashmiri and the other is a South Indian.
She is not from kashmir, she is from Uttarpradesh i guess.
@@mixture1990 'Katju' is a Kashmiri surname. Her ethnic background is Kashmiri, where she was raised is a separate thing. Btw, Menaka actually mentioned in this video that both of them have grown up in Delhi.
@@nitishsaxena1372 yeah the ethnicity might be true but her family hails frm Allahabad (uttarpradesh) and her grand grand father was frm madhyapradesh. She was born in Allahabad. So partially we can say she is kashmiri and partially Allahabadi or kashmiri-allahabadi !! That would be her ethnicity and not just kashmiri. 😊
But bcoz they were both brought up in Delhi so they are Delhi-ites now.. ! 🙂
@@mixture1990 nehru was k pandit too. his family moved to allahabad from k during mughals
Yes😊
THIS IS WHAT A POWER COUPLE LOOKS LIKE!!
What is power couple means
dnt call them couple .............call them lesbian
abhishek kadri baby they are lesbian couple,
@@coolian00 huh what?
@@coolian00 ooffff, check ur damn facts before commenting
Menaka's personality is extremely powerful. The way she walked towards the podium shows how damn proud she is of herself. Damn Girl!!! 😍😍😍😍
Was watching when my two friends walked in. They thought it was a guy. I had to show them the name and give context!
But she is mis using it and going against the nature it can not be appreciated and not it can be encouraged at all.
@@irfanullah1649 true..she is talented but she is immitating males. What's the point
@@neomi691 she isn't imitating males, she is like that, she was born that way. Nothing can change that, absolutely nothing. Learn to respect other people
@@irfanullah1649 shut up
As a queer desi girl this makes my heart soar 🥰
Yess😭😭😭
Proud of those phenomenal couple for being an inspiration from of all of us.
Also proud of u tehj
Mental illness can be cured.
The moment you realize that those are the lawyers who helped abolish a Criminal Code article which was established by a past government of the country that they now are talking in...
It was imposed Durning British rule in India.
@Nilkamal Chowdhury past government.coykd mean anything. Britain is not past government of independent India.
Btw I like yours gender non-confirming reference
I hope this is a good coincidence that this video is released on the day of Lesbian Visibility Day as they are the truest example of visibility for lesbians in India.
really ....
Wow I didn't know that thanks for pointing it out.
I love them so much. I left India a couple of years ago, because I couldn't see myself coming out and living there. They give me hope, that one day I can go back to India with a partner one day, and be out to everyone there!!
Unfortunately much hasn't changed see they don't live in India themselves most of the year.
... still after all this legal fight we won.. but nothing changed... everything is the same... peoples mentality towards lgbtq people, family torture, social pressure everything remains the same😞🥴
@@snehasneha2319 I'm sorry, are you struggling with coming out to your parents?
@@kcmn0089 im struggling with my girlfriend...( I mean the girl i like )
not with my parents... i told my mother that im a lesbian and i like girls.... she is not even bothered abt my orientation
@@kcmn0089 im 25, im still studying🥴
Dr. Guruswamy ... here I am, a straight woman totally crushing on her. Just wow!
I love them. Intelligent, eloquent, look so cute together and they fought for the right to love. I don't care what religion says, any religion. The love between two consenting adults of sound mind is not wrong.
@SOptimus Neo ?
SOptimus Neo get a life
@SOptimus Neo Dear child why do you have your diapers in a bunch?
cute? theyre chicks with dicks, do not get
Brilliance of Maneka Guruswamy is so distracting
Both are exceedingly brilliant I think.
@@shamitabhattacharjee8800 the sari clad one is really hard to listen to though, because she keeps trailing off, somehow. Maybe she is brilliant, maybe not. A brilliant speaker she isn't.
stefanieastrid thought she was quite well spoken
@@maryamsheikh2048 to my mind, well spoken and being a good public speaker are not the same thing. So you actually thought she was a clear, engaging public speaker who didn't keep trailing off then?
Clearly maneka guruswamy is head over heels with arundhati Katju!!
This video's positive energy has kept me happy for straight 18 hours now. It don't feel like closing the tab of the video from my browser!
Girl, same!!
Same
I didn't know about them prior to this, but I am literally in tears. All my life ( I am just 15 tho) I have never seen a famous or successful INDIAN lesbian couple. I am feeling so proud to be a part of lgbtq !!! Let's go lesbians!!!!! 😂
You GO @ferocious GIRL. the world awaits your splendor.
@@RubinaSkincare thanks
Just 15 and your thoughts🙄
@@zahrajabeen2131 fuck off homophobe
I just want to say that
🏳️🌈 you're loved 🏳️🌈
🏳️🌈 you're beautiful 🏳️🌈
🏳️🌈 you're important 🏳️🌈
Real heroes don’t wear capes indeed
@mansi seth heehehe but these heroes does wear capes/cloakes when they are fighting the legal battles 😊😊 isn't it??
SOptimus Neo and it’s better if you stick to your mommy’s basement leading the pathetic little life you are leading achieving absolutely nothing and finding gratification by spreading crap
@SOptimus Neo Dear child why do you have your diapers in a bunch?
They also wear Sarees and Power suits😁
I'm happy I'm living through a time where women like them exist and practise their work
We all need somebody to look at us when we speak like Ms. Katju at Ms. Guruswamy :))
@SOptimus Neo your comment is the exact reaction of a girl who sees your face or in a hypothetical scenario, your wiener. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@SOptimus Neo your emoticons don't exactly reflect what you justify yourself with
@SOptimus Neo Dear child why do you have your diapers in a bunch?
The power of Maneka! A PUNCH Right through the screen . Love love love. Their parents should be so proud of bringing up such powerful women who hold their own in every way.
No.there parents should be shamed and they should be condemned to be their parenrs as their teaching and training to their daughter is very wrong and negative by these two women involved in sodonomy which is a serious offence against humanity and morality.
@@irfanullah1649 you really are a control freak . You should be ashamed of yourself
@@aminashervani7200 Why should I ashamed myself? Is law allow them to do so,then answer shall be no,and not at all.Their matter was dragged to the scope of public interest to commit a sin and a wrong which has been candidly and strictly prohibited under the constitution of India and India penal code even it is also considered a great sin in the Islamic principle,Hinduism Judaism and Christianity.Evenvthen they do this sin then they shall be liable and responsible and should be punishable.This act is against of nature and commandments of God mighty Allah.MBeing a lawyer declare their right unconstitutional and illegal coz public interest is not to the extent to commit immorality and illegality or any great sin which is against of nature morality and humanity.Hope the answer.
My god I’m so in awe of them!!
Can I just say I am in love with these phenomenal women! I hope that many women and men can aspire to be like these two. A power couple for sure, dignified and simply geniuses. So much love and respect for you both.
You just can't take your eyes or ears off them 😭💛
Such a great session!
When gay marriage finally gets legalised, I want their wedding to air live on TV🥰
Sad but you may not even be alive when it happens. The question should not be of when but if in India.
@@triptop3703 the delhi high court just issued a plea to the supreme court asking them to amend the special marriage act to include same sex couples, the hearing is on january 8, 2021, maybe think again?
@Kaala Manyar i’m sure if you transition to female then yes
@Kaala Manyar yeah, you sound like you have gender dysphoria. better get that checked out by a psychologist.
@@ritiaggarwal995 Dang gal, loved the way you replied to that tharki hahahaha i can't stop laughing
I as an Indian and as a gay in closet, am left awestruck and feeling pride that no words could express. I grew up with fear that I will have no rights and no freedom of expression in my own country but that view seems too pessimist now when times have brought such learned lawyers in our country. Thank you to both of you.
I'm glad that you're able to feel optimistic about the future ❤️
Just curious
Are u out yet ?
@@dhirajk5457 no , not to my parents at least. But my friends and cousins
39:40 arundathi katju giving water to menaka guruswamy 😍 perfect
Incredible noticing power you have.
When India being boasting as a Hindu or Sanatan Society had this section 377 in the Indian Penal Code (introduced by Britishers) in 1861. It's an insult to the Sanatan. A society where Shikhandi was celebrated, The Shemale avatar of Arjun was celebrated yet we denied to learn anything from our past and inserted a section which is a crime to put it in first place. Someone's personal life is nobody's business, let it be on their karma. We are no one to judge anyone based on their skin color, sexual orientation, education etc. Thank god some lawyers stood up against this brazen "law" which restricts the fundamental rights of the people of the republic of India. Thank you.
Did Arjun has sex with another man??
@@DipakBose-bq1vv no while in agyatvaas of pandavas, they disguised themselves as different characters so that no one cane identify them. Arjun took identity of a transgender named Brihanala.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv Did I talk anything about their intimate life? Are you dumb?
@@wtflalit there is a difference between cross dressing and sexual orientation
Let's not pretend everything was hunkydory for the LGBTQI before the Brits or anyone else walked in.
Absence of penal laws is not equal to acceptance. The traditional approach to these things was to sweep it under the carpet.
You mention Shikhandi. You need to remember the deep sense of humiliation Shikhandi had to endure despite being a prince. He was also said to be the third gender because he was a reincarnation of one the princesses Bhishma abducted for marrying to his nephew Pandu.
It was her resolve for vengeance from Bhishma that led to her reincarnation as Shikhandi because as an abducted woman, she was "defiled". And had "no option to guard her honour but to self-imolate.
Imagine to be in courtroom and have to validate your existence and also having a large no. Of people's existence who are like you rely on that.
The way arundhuti looking at menaka😍
Can't be more grateful to my profession and destiny for making me come across beautiful people like these two Powerful souls .. they inspire me with their wisdom,courage and compassion!! So strong yet so Human.. so proud of you both and so proud that I have met you..
Proud of you two! Proud of my LGBTQA+ compatriots! Let's make our India better together!
@SOptimus Neo You're irrelevant. Things will change despite all your replies to this comment on others.
You're powerless you little coward 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@SOptimus Neo kya dikkat hai dost??, live and let live✌🏼
@SOptimus Neo Dear child why do you have your diapers in a bunch?
@Sage Hagoromo jab koi tumhari Zindagi m judge krega not for ur sexualities ,baa judge kre jisase tum depression m jao , i hope kre..taki u know how much someone go through this. and u r also irrelevant 🤣
Make yourself woke free
I jus love them for their clarity and interpretation of what law shd be
Now that's a name to have உமையாள் ... தமிழின் சந்தம் மானுடம் தழைக்கவே ... வாழ்க உமது பெற்றோரின் தமிழ் பற்று.
I simply adore them and respect them. They are the real heroes. ❤️
not heroes.........lesbians .......
@@coolian00 yes so what...?
@@mnotumnotu9141 i love lesbianss , theyre very tight
Lawyer couple goals 💪😍 can't take my eyes off both the inspirational figures in today's time.
i love these ladies. they’re so intelligent and well-spoken. truly blazing a trail in india
India is proud of you both!
Blessings and more power to you!!
Seriously what a power duo! This is so so inspiring!
Cannot thank these women enough! I love how plainly they have spoken about the liberal and social fight. I haven't heard someone talk about civil rights in this space more eloquently 🙌🏼
The effects of that judgment are not limited to the boundary of a country. It changes the conversation on this issue all over the Indian subcontinent. In a country like Bangladesh, people are now talking about homosexuality. Yes, most of them are indeed negative conversation, but starting a conversation is a big step in a conservative Muslim society. People began to know about it. Hopefully, they will get more and more information rather than just taboos from society.
Change is to start from our schools, not just Law Schools. Our textbooks, the ones which engage students at the Kindergarten level, showcases the perfect family as comprising of a Man and a Women, stereotyping gender specific roles in the process.
The textbooks need to be revamped broadly enough to accept the notion of a family consisting of a Man and a man, or a woman and a woman.
More so, the spectrum of sexuality is broad. Being straight, gay or lesbian is just the tip of the iceberg. And while Navtej Johar is providing legitimacy to all of them, by atleast not criminalising it, we are a long long way of in getting societal acceptance towards all the hues and shades.
Totally agree with u !!! 👍👍👍
@SOptimus Neo U are bs😑
@SOptimus Neo Dear child why do you have your diapers in a bunch?
Yes u r right...😊
Okay, groomer
I wish in near future we have amazing eloquent and truly educated people like these women in our politics as well.
Current politicians aka corrupt people are not needed anymore.
my gay self finds it inappropriate to fangirl on these two under a video published by oxford but ma'am do I stan you both
i need someone to laugh at my intellectual jokes the way arundhati laughs at menaka's ;-;I'm sorry I need a moment uWu
@@mytearsricochvt😂 It's okay. You made me laugh.
@@mytearsricochvt FELT
Thank you so much 🌈
You gave the whole LGBTQ community a new liberating life 💓 God bless you both 🌸 Look so cute together 😍
Totally elegant ❤
THANK YOU TO THESE TWO WOMEN FOR CHANGING THE INDIAN LGBTQIA+ COMMUNITY'S LIFE ♥♥♥
I came here after reading arundhati father article in Indian express really amazing article
I wish to speak like Menaka Guruswamy
So many in the comments talking about how the British brought this law. Well that was 200 years back and Britain itself has scrapped this law more than 50 years back.Although Hindu mythology has many examples of human sexual diversity, Indian culture has not accepted and still does not accept LGBTQ+ people.
I don't understand how they are justifying that LGBT were accepted before the British just because some gods were apparently sexually diverse. If it was, we would've have heard gay or lesbian couples from writings (not religious ones) before British came. Ppl might point out Kamasutra but I'm talking about a gay couple living their lives together not just the sexual act. And their acceptance in general society. If it were true, society would have had many gay couples till atleast the British came.
@Rashmi Bhattarai no. Original sources are not destroyed. Their view of history was twisted to favor them. We have read our sources. There are no sources which mention gays and lesbians living as a a family and which was accepted by society at large. How long will you attribute all our nations problems to the British? You are painting over all problems with the excuse of the British.
They look so much in love 😍❤️
Proud of my Beloved & Honorable Sisters. Adv. Arundhati Katju, ma'am & Adv. Menaka Guruswamy, ma'am.
Proud to be a personel of Judiciary of India.
JAI HIND 🇮🇳
SATYAMEV JAYATE 🇮🇳
I loved how the conversation was centered on the dichotomy of social and constitutional moralities. I think the key lies therein. And yes we want such dynamic, intelligent people to represent the invisible.
Look at the confidence and body language of Menaka ... How was the previous bench not convinced by her. If she tells me anything I will agree within seconds she has that aura .
Such eloquent speakers ! INSPIRED.
Let's make India more inclusive and accepting. We must strive for a nation where each and every individual has their dignity. 💯 Lots of praise to these two wonderful ladies. India's Sanatan fabric is already very plural in its nature. Atleast Indians should not behave like ISIS, Boko Haram and Taliban.
Menaka Gurusamy is an inspiration 👏😊
These power couples behind section 377 decriminalization in India ! We can't thank you enough🤗 thank you oxford♥️ #Lesbianvisibilityday
How factual and rhetoric speech that includes personal emotions and societal standards all enmeshed in one narrative.
Wonderful talk. So much to learn from and so immensely inspired by them.🙏🙏
I am grateful to witness this and the fact that I know them❤
Being here is a very precious things ever..
Saw her (Menaka) emotional and erudite plea for same sex marriage in the constitutional bench and was deeply moved by her passionate plea. And also found Arundhati' s answers to the CJI's questions reflect her legal prowess. Hope they finally have a married life legalized in their country.
This is so so well-spoken and such an amazing explanation of the entire journey.
Arundhati Katju is so weLL SPOKEN i love them both so much
Listening to this only now. What an incredibly articulate talk about not only the gay rights litigation in India but also about so many other legal and social aspects of this country. Wonderful talk!
Netra, a lawyer in the movie thappad is the character I feel like inspired by the Menaka..is it me or someone else also thinks the same?
I was thinking this!!! Their style is so similar!
Nope its kinda based on this celebrated lawyer named Indira Jaisingh.She is the lawyer who faught for Nirbhaya. Not every lady with short hair and stereotypically masculine clothing is homosexual .
@@rinkiyakididi9436 is there anybody here who has uttered the word homosexuality except u?🤗
@@sudeepnetke001 Wasnt trying to be vicious. Just gave out a fact there.Also this video is entirely about homosexuality. You do realize that texts sometimes appear dry or rude even when thats not your intention?Peace✌
Indeed.. peace..✌️
Such competent women fighting the good fight..Bravo
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enjoyed every breath in this address
much appreciated Oxford Union
admiration of two wonderful minds
hope Rahul the visually challenged becomes a judge
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I am off to sleep
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We are grateful for the two of you!
Wow, these two are superwomen!! Amazing
Menaka’s last words about freedom are truely frightfully true of India now a days ! Thanks 🙏
I have no words to compliment them....I love them so much....
You both of 👌 made for each other 🤗😘😘👩🎓👩⚖️
True exceptionally intelligent minds with a great vision and wisdom. Amazing determination to change and challenge the old unethical system in today's world.
Very compatible couple. Made for each other. Perfect
this made me cry 💔 the end 👏👏👏 😭
I am humbled by these powerful humans.
OMG!!! I love them soo much!! They gave me hope
Watched the entire video. Great talk.
Who said angels don't walk on earth anymore!
Meneka's take on the institutions being elitist. Conversations in local languages is very important.
Not everyone understands the 'local language' you are talking about. English, on the other hand is more universal. Also they are giving speech in 'Oxford University', which serves as an international platform for them. That's why it's common sense that they are conversing in English
They're debating in Oxford University. You could help by providing a translated version of this video.
@@bhav7539 I haven't watched the entire video but I have watched her other speeches in which she makes the same argument. But she's not speaking just about the court but the press and politics. Liberal voices have no place in the vernacular and the English-speaking constituency is very small in India.
One more thing you can learn from menaka mam that is how to treat you partner.❤🎉
It is important for LGBT people to go to law school, for the same reason it is important for Women, Dalit, a Muslim to go to Law School.
thank you so much, both of you have inspired a young woman to dream as high as she wants!
I think I ended up having a bit of a crush on miss Menaka , hehe
Menaka's legendary attitude would be enough for the breakthrough of LGBT community in India.. Love for her.. ❤
It is really nice to hear from both of you.
Katju is kashmiri pandit. she is daughter of former foreign secretary of India Vivek katju....more power to these real intellectuals.
congratulations to both of you....keep rocking
Heroines
As the Indian society is moving towards rapid modernization these two incredible women are insuring that our constitution and our law acts as a catalyst for that modernization.
THE MARRIAGE PROJECT HAS HUGE SUPPORT FROM MANY YOUNG INDIANS LIKE ME!!
Thank you for uploading it. Studies on Lgbt+ should become compulsory in schools just like trigonometry or anatomy of amoeba.
This was POWERFUL
I stand by you and salute you both!
I'm in awe
They are fabulous
Hats off to them...bravo
Power combination of intellect and humor
34:47 that expression 😍😍
Two exceptional human beings indeed!
I take so much inspiration from you two. I just wrote a mail to AGM HR of my bank to put up a small rainbow flag in common area of every branch of the bank. As a gay banker of my bank I need acknowledgement for my sexual orientation. Sometimes I do feel alone and scared but I gather courage from people like you who carry yourself with so much grace..
Your thoughts are a great motivation 💓
I love these two women
Brilliant!! Well said. Comprehensively And clearly. 💕