What Happened To The Outer Worlds
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- What Happened To The Outer Worlds
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The Outer Worlds is an experience that feels less like an RPG than it is a guided First Person Shooter with world design similar to Borderlands while vaguely functioning mechanically like a bare bones fallout game. From the designers of Fallout and Fallout: New Vegas. I mean, if you are actually asking why I am comparing this game to Fallout and New Vegas then please do me a favor. Go read the wiki for Leonard Boyarski and Tim Cain so you can see what games they worked on at Interplay. - Hry
Simple answer: the game was made by the same company that made New Vegas, not the same writers and lead designer. Employees move on.
That's not entirely true, the project was lead by people that worked the original fallout games and many other rpg classics
@@Zen-rw2fz The lead writer of Fallout New Vegas was John Gonzalez, who is no longer with Obsidian. The main writers credited besides him were Chris Avellone, Eric Fenstermaker, and Travis Stout, and none of them work for Obsidian anymore. The lead designer of Fallout New Vegas, Josh Sawyer, is still at Obsidian, but his main focus is on the Pillars of Eternity series and not Outer Worlds. My point was that anyone expecting this game to be like New Vegas might want to consider that the main people creating the two games were completely different.
Good point. This is how I see a potential half life 3. The writers are gone so unless they get the gang back together it won't be hl2:ep.3.
@@kato1kalin well half life alyx was a great game and valve always seems to be good at making games when they actually want to. The problem is whether or not they even want to.
Yea
Every video about an RPG will eventually devolve into discussing Fallout: New Vegas
It's the unofficial RPG benchmark
Yeah...I fear we will never again have excellent rpg's like morrowind or oblivion or fallout 3 again. The recent release of the highly anticipated cyberpunk 2077 has made this fear even more prescient in my mind. That game was our last hope.
@@sahmuss1164 That may be true, and to be fair I haven't had a chance to play it yet so I'm only going on heresay at this point. And I'm sure they will patch it and update it for years to come, and perhaps it will eventually be good. But it seems like every new major open world rpg that gets released is progressively more broken than the last. Morrowind oblivion and fo3 were buggy, of course, but still perfectly playable and *most* of the bugs weren't game breaking, even for us plebs on xbox who can't use console commands. FoNV was horriffic. I got it at a midnight release and was so excited. I played maybe two weeks and encountered no less than 3 game breaking bugs, forcing me to reload old saves and try again. The last time that happened I lost probably 8 hours of progress and said fuck it. Never picked the game up again. This is coming from a guy who has put more than 200 hours a piece in to Morrowind, Oblivion, & Fo3. I was crushed. Same thing happened with skyrim, only the bugs were more common and more game breaking, in my personal experience. I got MAYBE 20 or 30 hours in and gave up. That was also when I noticed the trend of "dumbing down", which really rubbed me the wrong way. It made the game less immersive and less interesting. Then Fo76 happened, it was as if millions of voices cried out all at once, and then suddenly were silenced. It moved the bar of bugginess so far past what was expected, not to mention the plethora of other shady merch situations. We hoped that The Outer Worlds would bring balance to the force and show devs that you CAN in fact release a COMPLETE, NON BROKEN GAME AT LAUNCH. And for the most part it did, but it increased the trend of "dumbing down" so much it was utterly forgettable. And then we have cdpr's long awaited, much hyped masterpiece, cyberpunk 2077. Not only was it going to be a fully fledged massive open world rpg with interesting story and plot points and endless choice, it would be free of bugs and playable at launch! The developer promised us they weren't like all those other greedy studios! They had integrity! But then at launch we saw it was all false promises and lies. Making the pain doubly worse. And again, I could be wrong here. I haven't played it yet so I've only heard this stuff through the grapevine. But at this point I'm going to save my money and buy it a few months down the line after they've had the chance to fix some things.
Yep
Your not wrong friend
Came for a commentary about Outer Worlds.
Left with a crippling fear of heart surgery..
@daveyognaught A warning for what, reality ?
@daveyognaught Then make sure you don't live on a diet of fast food and you get your cholesterol checked on a yearly basis and do what's necessary to keep it nice and low. Most fear is a gift, telling you what you need to do. Even having stents placed is pretty bad-you end up on blood thinners for a year, if not forever, and various other drugs for life. Cheeseburgers aren't worth it, trust me.
Never expected reaper here of all places.
@@Felice_Enellen you don't even know what the fuck is going on with that person, what is the point of giving a coaching lesson? why can't people stop to try so hard to be right and give an answer?
@@Felice_Enellen I've seen some stupid assuming comments in my life, but this one takes the cake.
24 yrs old and had 2 open hearts, its just like this. Enjoy life bc nothing is promised and appreciate every game you play :)
I can't help but worry about enjoying a single game too much and spend too many afternoon's on them, it stresses me out with single player games but multiplayer feel better, so weird
This game felt like a long corporate email chain you got looped in by mistake.
Given the space-megacorp vibe in the game world, that's eerily fitting
@@raziyatheseeker yes, but alot of people play games to get away from that.
@White-Van Helsing its sort of like the school announcement emails that they send out to everyone, if you look closely you can see who/how many people it was sent to
To be fair it was a budget title.
@@jonnylake3rd So was GreedFall, I find that a better game overall even though I love sci-fi settings better.
“If the player steals the water chip, he’s leaving the ghouls to die.” See I’m playing the first fallout now for the first time. I went to necropolis and saw the ghouls. Avoided them because I assumed they were hostile/feral. Happened upon the water chip and was like “what? I’ve been looking everywhere and it’s just in this random terminal? Alright.” Then took it and got the heck out of there. I’m just now learning that I killed those ghouls.
lmao
Games dont have consequences like that anymore lol
Lol
You monster!
Bruh I played 1 fallout last month and I hate that damn save system so much it made me leave the game. So I saved near the start of the game last time and then I acquired the water chip then returned it to Overseer went to hub went to Brotherhood etc. Everything is going good until I was killed by a random encounter and I was thrown to Shady Sands. At that point I just thought it wasnt worth playing the game again.
"Does it allow you to pose as the ghost of a dead man in order to fool a group of people into releasing a hostage? Does it?"
New standard.
Funny how you can do a very similar thing in New Vegas
They don’t believe in you’re a ghost in NV tho
New standard, made in the 90s. There should be more of this. Making game development easy (streamlined workflow, stock assets, most ppl using the same engines) in a saturated market is kinda messing with creativity in favor of surface level "forced realism." More studios should be looking back to what really works and then just add levels of immersion, not strip it down for mass appeal and fill it up with shaders and and the same gun mechanics we've seen a hundred times (look how successful New Blood is with the retro FPS revival, it's cuz ppl stopped making games like that despite the love for them). It's not like every game, movie or book needs to interest *everyone*. The Thief reboot is a great example of modern gameplay tropes ruining every single aspect of gameplay from the original (like uninterrupted QT animations for every motion including stealing, oh palmed face, I believe the video I'm thinking of is from this channel). I hope BG3 keeps its roots, and I picked up Pillars of Eternity II recently.
I think these days if a modern Fallout 1 style game were released today, people would dismiss it as an XCOM clone. Which is extra ironic because the decades old Fallout: Tactics was already a bit of a genre clone of the original 90s XCOM. I'd love to see more 3D turn based RPGs, maybe combined with RTS elements (like Myth or Homeworld but with Baldur style RPG elements like main commander characters, with multiple forms of progression for the main characters and the deployable units etc). The kind of experiments major devs used to be willing to do. BG story and main party + Myth style combat (with pause though, basically baldur with sub groups and more gore) + Homeworld/Starcraft style research development and expansion.15 year old me would piss itself, and I used to be really hard to please if a game wasn't FPS back in those days.
Either that or a Freespace 2 tier space sim meets open world RPG, so here's hoping Starfield is fantastic. Why hasn't anyone got realtime space combat right in over 20 years (afaik)? At least there is a new Descent game that I hope is good, D3 was the most fun in arcarde 6DoF I've ever had. But nothing has touched the balance of Freespace 2 for me. I digress. I might just reinstall FS2 (so nice I bought it twice/got on gog because cdrom lost long ago). If anyone wants to recommend single player space light-sim or 6 degree of freedom Descent style game (or tell me if descent 4 any good) I'll appreciate it. I go on about those games but they nailed the *feeling* of gameplay in the 90s-early 2k. That feeling is what i also miss in fallout 1, and some other classic 90s styles and story types. The feeling of some modern gameplay seems more tech demo oriented sometimes, and less like it's there for smooth, smooth fun.
I remember hearing so many people saying good things about this game, from internet muckrakers, to endless Reddit posts. I then tried it, and was relatively... underwhelmed with it. The guns felt too similar, the weapon mods were boring, the status ailments barely did anything, the morality was obvious, character building was uninspiring, and free form exploration was relatively pointless since seemingly every single location was tied to a quest. I could write an entire paragraph or two on just how disappointing the arsenal was.
If you ask me, it’s no big mystery that the main reason for TOW’s success was it’s timing.
No matter what the company said they were trying to use the outer worlds to combat Bethesda and use it to sell copies because thats just all companies, they made more in a year on NV then they did the entire this was in studio. It's exactly what FO76 was, an unfinished game
@ you're right they're differnt, both disappointments but st least 76 was enjoyable
Exactly. It was the only Fallout-esque alternative to Fallout 76, which was/is a piece of shit in it’s own right and TOW barely succeeds it by just being mediocre
Felt the same. It felt like a boring railroad, and you were forced to accept the corporations, unless you went murderhobo if I remember right.
Just finished my first (and likely only) playthrough and I couldn't agree more. This game is so overrated its not even funny.
3 minutes in: “I... I thought this was about Outer Worlds?”
Nah but that’s wild, I hope you recover and become stronger through that experience.
It actually ties-in to the overarching theme of the video that decisions should matter and have consequences. He had consequences to having his surgery then and there, unlike Outer Worlds
People who liked this comment dont know shit
I’m so confused why is no one talking about the beginning? Feel better man.
The intro dropped some heavy shit
@Tony Marselle Its his channel who cares just close it lol
@Tony Marselle fuck off, tony
@@WAND3R101
Doesn't detract from the fact that this is a video essay but the first 5 minutes were awkward as fuck
@@WAND3R101 no one was saying the vid itself was bad.
Its like the writers saw Terrible Writing Advice's video on "Megacorps" and did not notice any of the irony or sarcasm.
I would've been fine with an anti-corporate message if it were handled as well as... well... F:NV's factions.
Totally disagree. The portrayal of corporate culture and the messaging from the companies found all over the place was very satirical and funny.
>when you consider the cinema sins as bonus points
@@Molotov_Milkshake Being satirical and funny is not entirely a good thing. Not when it's a part of the primary worldbuilding.
@@Pelagion98 it works in this instance. There's a lot of humour in there and it works.
I remember people freaking their shit when this game originally came out - "best game ever", "revival of the RPG genre", "utterly hilarious", "Incredible writing". Media-driven hype is one hell of a hallucinogen.
Yeah I remember trying it and going "wow this fucking sucks" and uninstalled it after leaving tutorial planet
Me on steam search tryna buy a game: "this isn't outer wilds, wtf is this and why is it first result"
People just really desperately wanted this game to fit into the whole Bethesda Hate Train Narrative (tm).
And don't get me wrong, Bethesda has gone down the shitter - but yeah, definitely made people put this mediocre game on a pedestal because it suited the narrative.
@@AniGaAG i have no idea what youre talking about, ive never once hear even a single person claim any of what youre saying
@@Helperbot-2000 ... you must not talk to many people? Ain't exactly a revolutionary take.
Isn't there some quote about being mediocre being the worst fate because you'll simply be forgotten?
It was along the lines of "The worst that art can be is not to be bad. Bad art can still make an impact or leave a message. The worst is to be forgettable."
but this art made bank, so I doubt obsidian and epic are upset about it
Be remembered just for the sake of it? That sounds like high standards.
The game is boring I'd rather play fallout 3 and new vegas both again and again before I finish outer worlds ever ... I tried it for about 5 hours and got fucking bored as fuck
@@G3RM3X617 same. Its like they tried to make space fallout, but left out all the good bits. The dialogue was pretty good ill give it that. Otherwise it was a fallout knockoff.
“Aggressively okay” the perfect way to describe Outer Worlds.
That about sums it up
And that's still better than anything you could say about Fallout 4 or New Vegas
@@mariobadia4553 New Vegas is an amazing RPG and Fallout 4 is on the fence whether its bad or ok.
It’s not better than nv
Mario Badia definitely not better then New Vegas story wise
My 2yo daughter just came home from her 3rd open heart. Same story, dude.
That must be tough, being the parent and all
@@towelmaster9240 it has been agony. But my daughter is so wonderful
@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion Yeah she must be strong undergoing all that surgery. I hope she can make the best recovery possible, Good luck!
Prayers my friend...
God be with you man.
Even if FPS Fallout, the variety of enemies means that even with high end gear, the wrong situation can get you killed very, very quickly. Deathclaws, as an example, are always a threat due to their staggeringly high damage output even wearing Power Armor, their ability to rapidly close the gap, and their high damage resistance to all but a few power weapons, like missile launchers, the Fat Man, or the anti-mat rifle... and even then, you usually still needed special ammo. Sentry Bots also presented a huge challenge, as did NCR Heavy Gunners. The New Vegas DLCs turned that up to 11 either by setting you back to 0 forcing you to get all new gear and deal with short-term scarcity, or in the case of Lonsesome Road, just throwing an entire gauntlet of the strongest enemies in the game at you.
Hell, even Fallout 4 makes combat shockingly dangerous at times, despite the much smoother combat mechanics making things generally easier. Enemies have a lot more power weapons, even at lower levels - a Raider camp in Lexington for example is led by a Raider with half a suit of Power Armor, a Fat Man, and an elevated position. This all in a fairly low level area where your best weapon is either the 10mm pistol or a Laser Musket... neither of which is particularly effective at range, even if you're an aim god. Super Mutant Suiciders, despite telegraphing their position through sound cues, can easily get close to you and explode you, or you may accidentally explode yourself if you hit their nuke arm. The Head Laser carried by Assaultrons fucking melts your HP bar under almost all conditions, Sentry Bots despite their mandatory downtime are now both much tougher and much more heavily armed than they used to be, Gamma Guns make the Children of Atom a *shockingly* difficult faction to engage that will utterly *melt* even high level characters if you're not watching your rads, and Deathclaws will now straight-up suplex a high level character wearing full T-51b. And if you're *not* wearing Power Armor? That suplex is now an instant kill.
And that's Fallout 4, the game most people were hoping they could rub in Bethesda's face with a comparison to Outer Worlds.
I'll never understand the hate Fallout 4 gets.
Is it as good as New Vegas? I'd argue yes. Sure, the writing isn't as good, nor is the quest design or the main story, but from a gameplay aspect? Just like you described, Fallout 4 is amazing.
Yeah. Sucks fallout 4 wasn't really an RPG but viewing it not as one? It's pretty good
But that's the whole point, when you do a Fallout or Elder Scrolls Games, people will be expecting an RPG, not any RPG, a good RPG.
The hate fallout got was deserved, if they were going for post apocalyptic action shooter game, they've might as well have created a new IP or pointed people in the direction of games like Metro or something
@@kagenotatsumaki I kinda prefer fallout new Vegas's gameplay more than 4
@@kagenotatsumaki combar us mediocre at best with so many bullet sponges its annoying
It has little-to-no replay value. There's no depth to character leveling, so it's not like trying different builds really matters.
Exactly. While I enjoyed my playthrough back then, I have absolutely no desire to play it again unless it gets some interesting DLC. No real builds and I feel like I've seen pretty much everything after a single thorough run, which is a shame. Even Fallout 4 was good for a couple of varied runs, as shallow as it was. Outer Worlds was still a breath of fresh air. Just wish there'd been more to it.
@@Dad................. it's true. I beat outer worlds in like 35 hours and knew as soon as the credits rolled that I would never touch it again. Meanwhile mods and settlement building and survival mode normally sees me revist Fallout 4 once a year and play for awhile.
@@codyvandal2860 lol no mod in the world can safe the shit that is F4
Also overshadowed by Disco Elysium. I came to Outer Worlds straight after finishing DE, and wth the rift in writing quality was huge. Still a good game, but no reason to go back to it.
@@TrueKivan Same experience. Except Disco Elysium was so good and the comparisons to Planescape Torment so frequent that I bet Disco, then played through Planescape and then played Outer Worlds.
The writing felt so flaccid by comparison
This game is made by Obsidian, but the driving forces behind New Vegas have already left the company. Some of that team are still there, but apparently, not the visionary ones.
Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky, the guys that created Fallout universe and Arcanum, two of the best old school RPGs, were creative leads and game designers on this game. So, no, it was not about the visionary.
@@sawovsky That's not the entire Fallout team, which was my point.
@@jesperburns Obviously, it's been 10 years since New Vegas. A lot of time for people to move on or for the "old guard" to have adapted new ideas about game design.
The biggest loss for Outer Worlds seem to be writers/designers like Sawyer and Avellone though.
@@lastresort3159 JE Sawyer had a mental breakdown after Deadfire's failure so he step away for directing any games for almost 2 years now...
Maybe, just maybe New Vegas isnt as good as everyone pretends it is
Actually in the Witcher 3, the kids are in a school in Novigrad, the spirits really did her part of the promise, but she omitted the part where she killed the whole town.
That story of your surgery and recovery from Kawasaki's disease was chilling man. Here I was 3 weeks ago being nervous when getting emergency surgery to remove my appendix and there you were staring death in the face. Glad you are recovering and hope you stay healthy.
A game that focused on making a good first impression, then ran out of steam and tried to hide this, and hide the fact that the systems/ choice are unfinished or meaningless and the project ran out of time. Characters are forced "Intetesting" with 0 depth. Its like watching an episide of netflix startrek.
This reminds me a bit of GreedFall if I'm honest.
I still think it has potential as a series
@@gl1tchspectre_ I actually forgot that game existed not gonna lie. It was fun in a way but I have no desire to do a second play through. Sad b/c it had great potential. They both did. I'm almost scared to get too hyped now about games (like Cyberpunk and Valhalla for example).
@Garrett McBride Well to be fair it didn't have all the time in the world, they still have to answer to publishers, and New Vegas already had most of their assets created and modeled for them. Both New Vegas and Knights of The Old Republic 2 were unfinished as well, seems to be a thing with them. The Outer Worlds was a fair bit more mediocre though.
@@scotttackett7579 Obsidian doesn't seem to be able to finish things properly...OR their management doesn't understand how making games work. It's a slipper slope
There was a frustratingly few ways to argue against Parvatti and frustratingly little conversation depth with the botanist leader
You don't get many choices in how you treat any of your crewmembers, and don't leave significant impact on them as characters. They might as well all be random mercs you hire to make the already trivial combat encounters even easier.
@@fillosof66689 the only moment that stuck with me was having vickar debate the leaders of the iconoclasts, that was fun...
but ya, not much to do with them
The game is mostly "HEHE! CAPITALISM BAD!" in a extremely boring way.
Because they are biased. Multiple options to argue evil corporates men, be when it comes down to the parvatti which is a lesbian...
But the cool thing is I murdered all of my companions I played the whole game lone wolf killing all my companions before I recruited them
For me, the game was low-key preachy. Except when it was overtly preachy. The choices didn't allow some options because the devs didn't agree with it ... I think. Like all you can do with the Vicar is make him abandon who he was, or hate who he was; you can't get him to decide his path had been a good option, because it didn't fall in line with certain philosophies. Oh and the game props up quirky characters I don't care about. BUT it did have some good points sometimes; I was able to shut down the mechanics's love interest right away and I got all the xp for the whole quest line without having to tediously follow it. And I was able to betray the science guy for cash and massive xp. But mostly I never felt there was room for my character to stay in character because the choices were usually meh.
I also found it really dissatisfying that Vicar Max's arc leads to him abandoning his beliefs entirely during a hallucinogenic trip. On a certain level I accept that this was the story that the game devs wanted to tell for Max, but to me it felt forced.
@@acbeaumo it was very forced
Hahaha based I stopped playing as soon as a found out about the mechanic romance.
@@hydrohealer6504 oof the homophobia
@@hydrohealer6504
How based and red-pilled of you, I assume you stopped playing New Vegas as well, y’know cause two of the companions were gay and you seem to have a pea-sized brain. Please don’t lump your casual homophobia in with game criticism.
I honestly stopped getting into the game when I thought the weapons and looting got boring. It didn't take long for the story to drop on me but the weapons would just be reskins, assault rifle mk 1 and assault rifle mk 2 were the same things just better damaged. I would basically just end up using the same gun the entire game. Haven't finished it either. I might one day.
The same guys that made new vegas *did not* make this game
Same conpany, likely not the same people
@Pinkamena Pie Isn't one of the writers/producers responsible for the original fallouts, and fallout new vegas, now orking on Dying Light 2?
Pinkamena Pie if i recall correctly Josh left because him and chris avellone argued on a lot of things, mainly the fact that chris was extremely ticked about Josh being put in charge even though he was more qualified for the position than chris ever was. i know that josh doesn’t hold any grievances for it but apparently chris is still upset about it
my bad i was wrong it was CHRIS who left because he was bitter over josh being in charge, josh got screwed over Pillars of Eternity flopping when that was his project
@@ConnorisaThing That sucks. What is Josh last name, and what is he working on?
It was just short. That's the biggest problem. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING needed to be fleshed out more.
That's the game's only true crime, if you ask me. And even then it's at least partly because the budget was relatively small. But the positive reception and financial success has me excited for an inevitable next main project with much grander scale
@@Dilliferd I honestly want a sequel so bad. They set it up perfectly, with earth having gone dark and the cruiser they sent going missing.
@@DomR1997 Current Obsidian aren't known for sequels but being that this has a good base ("Good" not "Great"), this deserves a more fleshed out sequel where they build upon the half decent base they created with this.
I honestly haven't even finished Outer Worlds because of the many mediocre aspects but I too can see the potential for a sequel. Obsidian should build on the same engine to cut costs and focus on fleshing out mechanics/choice/companions etc.
Only then will it be on the same level of at the very least, Fallout 3.
Yes, it was played too quickly
yeah we need more enemy types, weapons, armors, more interiors to explore, less loading screens, a way to organize the mess off a consumables menu, a decent weapon and armor crafting system, better game balance, EXPLOSIVES for gods sake, its already got the m ratring so some gore would be nice too. It had soo soo much potential but it just ended up feeling like a cheap borderlands gameplay mixed with a rpg that ws just laking in actual good quests, twists or anything interesting, i mean literallty you can spend a few hours getting parv wehatever her name is ready for a date by hunting down an outfit soap and all that stupid stuff. great atmosphere, great ideas, time dilation is aweesome, they just didnt go for it all the way and you really can feel like its half assed and missing so much. I feel like they rushed to realease to jump on the fallout 76 hate bandwagon and take advantage of that fan base that was just craving something
In The Witcher 3 after letting the evil spirit go and save the kids you do see the kids again in Marabella's School for Tots located in Novigrad. They don't recognize Geralt though. The evil spirit kept it promise.
God speed man, Open Heart surgery has to be one of the scariest things I can think of. Your braver than most, and its good to have you around.
I'm surprised that when talking about the rarity of items and strategic thinking in New Vegas, S-E didn't mention Sierra Madre, the way it stripped the player and made every fight desperate was both infuriating and enjoyable.
That is until you get the stimpak vending code
Honestly bro that killed the dlc imo
@@lax9192 depending on who you are responding to my respect for you as a human being will be validating or disparaging and filled with disgust at the implicated philosophy of a brainlet such as your possible self.
I fucking loved that detail of the DLC, but also fucking hated it. Ah, FNV it's too good
Personally I had no problems with losing all your gear. What I hated the most was the FUCKING SPEAKERS.
* playing doom eternal
*watches this video
*starts new fallout new Vegas
7heHomelessKingJames Same
I was right in the middle of a Bannerlord playthrough, then I saw Salt Factory's new video and got sucked back into this whirlwind of pleasure and nostalgia
Bought DLC for Fallout 4. Played that for a few days. Started playing New Vegas again and it's been a few weeks and still playing it.
@@JustcallmeGnarly22 just downloaded fallout new Vegas yesterday. Was bored out of my mind playing it honestly. Its weird because I like the outerworlds more lmao
@@BlackPersonGuy to each their own. Games are very subjective. Not going to tell you to like something just because I do. If you like Outer Worlds better go for it!
My wife: Are you playing that lesbian game again?
Me: They just gave everyone lesbian hair because it's easier to animate. Its not an AAA title.
Wife: Then why is even the still-image AI a lesbian?
Is your wife a lesbian ?
They are all lesbian
OOF 100
I seriously can't stand that fucking 2020 pineapple or buzzcut hairstyle that they gave to nearly every female npc. It just looked stupid.
Based wife
Bro I remember having my apendix removed and I went through the exact same shit even had a tube in my stomach and these two nurses came over, counted to 3 and wrenched it out and it felt like someone pulling my guts out my stomach and I had to just lie in the hospital bed for about 10 minutes just to compose myself from having a breakdown over that awful experience
shit man, hope I never go through that, I would fucking have a literal heart attack of the sheer pain
@@viveka2994 Don’t worry I’m not the strongest of will and I got through it though I didn’t have much choice in the matter
@@ebdonaldson yeah it was the drainage for the puss left in the area after they removed the appendix. At first I thought “oh it will just smoothly slide out but the nurses were just like “we’re gonna count from three” and from that I gathered it wasn’t gonna be fun. Then they wrenched it out and I thought I’d lost half my stomach along with it. They didn’t lie about it for me but they certainly didn’t warn me either and I’m not sure which is worse in all honesty.
I doomed the town, expecting a megaton scale cataclysm. Looting or people dying of thirst in the streets. I get back and everybody is just like "oh this sucks, that was mean of you". I stopped playing after that
The consequences were never really drastic enough
You eventually go back and kill them all so bit of a bad example
@@Phoenix-hf7bw No, you have the choice to and its based on what you did. Its not stellar writing, but its also not THAT shallow.
Same place I stopped. I am glad I played it for 10 bucks than full price.
All the civilians just mill about with no power. No looting or panicking or attacking you for destroying their job, just "Oh, guess we'll sit here until the company picks us up." And you'll hear about how bad it is, but never go back, because if you do go back, nothing actually changes or happens. Just static NPCs.
That mission to get a power regulator made me realize how little choice you had when i first played, I wanted to be a chaotic character, only doing what benefited me and I wanted to take both power regulators, I was disappointed to find out that once you take ones, the other ones is untouchable
I can't imagine why you apologized for this. You're 100% correct about this game and the industry in general
That's what happen when most of the people that worked on Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas left Obsidian after New Vegas.
*has 0 replayability* "how did people forget about outer worlds?"
There it is...that's it
Waiting on DLC but i think the fact that it's short and gives you a variety of ways to beat it gives it a lot of replayability. Shit I'm on my second go around as a different character and play style. But I do hope they come out with some good DLC or expansions cause it has much potential i mean they got planets we never even touched
@@infinite10304 it's good alternating characters n getting different outcomes. The game never felt like a full priced game to me n I still love it to this day. I just don't see myself playing it over and over again. Theres no incentive for me to do so.DLC sounds perfect for this game, what do you think they could add?
@@Flameville perhaps something on what happened with earth? Or the adventures of Alex hawthorne? Or phenias idk or perhaps just continue on to other planets you never got to visit and let you colonize them and deal with a similar issue of factions trying to take control. Idk i do know that there is a dlc coming but idk what will be in.it as far as story but I know they will be adding more guns and armor options because they definitely did not have enough weapons and armor and the armors were just reskins basically I never even changed my companions armor. So maybe make the whole RPG element more impactful cause i love the game but the stats don't really matter except for dialog and like lock picking or hacking everything else eeh with a few more guns and a bit more story and a little polish this game could be great i think
@@Flameville at this point in just waiting for cyberpunk 2077 but this had so much hype that I just had to try it myself plus it was free so I enjoyed it in currently playing mass effect Andrómeda
The best part about this game was when you went to Roseway and instead of getting money to go to Monarch and progress the main quest, you sold all the tech back to the corporations for far less money than you would have got otherwise because you were caught up in the moment by their promises... that is until I found out you could go back to the groundbreaker and miraculously find ANOTHER way to get a huge amount of money for a landing permit on Monarch. That was when it hit me that the devs really wanted you to safely land in the city on Monarch. Sure there is the option to land in the dangerous wilderness, but when money is so readily available on the Groundbreaker, why would you do anything other than safely land in the city and progress to the wilderness gradually?
Dunno, I just landed on Monarch and hammer smashed everything away that got in my way. Even on Supernova (I think that's what it was called) no encounter took longer than a few seconds with the science hammer.
I landed in the wilderness anyways cause it was the only place large enough to land with my huge balls of steel. Promptly got rekt. Had the difficulty up though and was using outdated weapons.
I went to monarch immediately after completing the first stage. The difficulty was incredible and fun, but by the time I completed monarch, i was used to a massive combat challenge that the other planets never delivered. Disappointing.
Tons of XP
Dick Dilligaf bruh went to monarch, I got fucked, snuck by everything some how... idk, found some good weapons doubling my dps- accidentally arrived back at my shop (I don’t use the map a lot) and was able to deal with everything fairly well that I want able to before 👍
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Jesus man, I just came here to hear you talk about a video game...
For real though, I'm sitting here drunk and depressed about my pathetic life. And here you are with your awesome video essays even though have wave runner disease. Good on you for not dying, and thanks for the distraction. I forgot where I was going with this. Back to the video.
So am I the only one that sees The Outer as a complete disaster that was so over hyped the reviews got affected because everyone wanted it to be a good game? Not mediocre, at the end I regretted my purchase and it seems a lot of people did in the end too
Yo I fuckin loved this game idk why it has such a negative consensus
Nah, I thought it was dogshit too. I am one of those smug bastards that got the MS pass for a dollar and played through the game within a month. I even got my dollar back because I cancelled the subscription on the 29th day. I still had remorse because it was play time I will never get back.
@@circleofsorrow4583 yeah the game was 10 hours long, abruptly end and all the "corporations are evil" was always just people saying they're evil. Like come on, show dont tell Is litterly the main objective of a game
@@timyuusis3372 The "corporations are evil" aspect is so weird since they're also utterly incompetent as well.There LITERALLY isn't any logical reason to join them from a story standpoint,and the idea that they would allow a freelancer to have so much power goes against everything we're told and shown about them.
@@bearandthebull2372 I wanted to see more of there corporate army, putting down strikes and actively sending people after you for recruitment/assasination. An iron fist that needs that needs each of its fingers pried off the system
I think it's the loss of Chris Avelone. He's writing dying light 2, so I'm looking forward to that.
Same. One of my favorite devs, Obsidian truly lost talent for it.
Really I thought they work on it? What he got harassed by Obsidian and quit half of the game development?
@@lordhoboofsavior36 He left around Pillars of Eternity 2. Trust me, the writing would have been a thousand times better than what we got.
@@TheCaptainhowdy11 I was sure I read somewhere Chris dude work with obsidian once more as a contract maybe I dunno.
It's also the loss of Bethesda. Most of the gameplay aspects of FNV were there because of the engine of Fallout 3. FNV was basically Fallout 3, but on another map with another story. Obsidian failed with the map and nailed the story. TOW is what Obsidian is without Bethesda - unable to make fun gameplay and interesting character progression and varied weapons...
It was overhyped because of the dearth of good RPGs at the time and the "Suck it Bethesda" sentiment. NeverKnowsBest did a great video on it and even Fudgemuppet made a video called "The Outer World is not as good as you think"
NeverKnowsBest’s video was not great. He was so busy nitpicking that he missed the broader picture.
The game only got praise because Obsidian Fanboys are desperate to screech about how bad Bethesda is. As an RPg the game is as mechanically deep as Fallout 4 with some systems being even more shallow than F4. Not a horrible game but way overhyped.
@Deborah Meltrozo game SUCKS i go to BED
@@Brascofarian what's the broader picture.
@@Brascofarian He addressed the broader picture though, as nitpicky as his video on it might have been.
Finished this game last night. What a cakewalk, filled with things that are impossible to care about. I was skipping through the post-game story bits because honest to god I couldn't even remember half the people mentioned.
The Outer Worlds needed a serious, fundamental balancing pass and some significant rewrites to its story content. It's too ironic and too easy to give a single half a holler about, and it makes me really sad because it's also gorgeous to look at and plays well from a base level.
Damn my guy, sorry to hear about your issues that's really rough. I was in ICU for 8 days from almost dying with appendicitis, waking up crying and writhing in pain with tubes sticking out of me and a tube down my throat as well, then blacking out from pain. Was really crazy hearing of your experience being almost the same
Have to say as a med student, hearing your side of heart surgery and the painful recovery really helps understand patients! The way you described how it really felt. this emphasis is often lost in the medical field, with all the time constraints. So thank you for sharing! Speedy recovery, Mister.
I love the bluff of being the raiders father, I did that by accident, I had a stealth boy and just happened to have 9 luck
A year later, first time finding your channel, but I hope you're doing well and in good health.
As soon as i booted up The Outer Worlds and saw that everyone had the same face, just a little bit different from eachother like skyrim i immediately dropped it. Nothing breaks immersion more than doing a quest where 3 npcs have the exact same face shape, hair and voice.
lol that's stupid. Some of you people are not gamers, you're critics.
The outer worlds is the most "by the book" game ever made.
The best description honestly
@@D00000T Chris Avellon left Obsidian? I just lost most of my interest in Avowed.
If it's just a Medieval Outer Worlds than it won't be the "Elder Scrolls / Skyrim killer" so many people seem to think it will be...
@@kagenotatsumaki Just like this game wasn’t the Fallout Killer that the Bethesda haters wanted it to be. I would much rather play Fallout 4 than The Outer Worlds.
@@AlfredFJones1776 and with modabillity of fallout, i feel like im playing a new game everytime
@@kagenotatsumaki Thing is that it was also not a AAA game and people were saying it was going to be a Fallout killer which was just not fair for the game but that also is on the Marketing team for the game because they kept going on with it.
It is obvious that they bit more than they could chew with The Outer Worlds, they can make fantastic games just look at Tyranny it is honestly one of my favourite isometric RPGs I honestly loved playing as a magic user in that game because it felt good.
Why did everyone forget about The Outer Worlds? Because there wasn't anything memorable in it.
There was an sjw agenda and shitty characters, I remember that
@@martialarborist7918 oof
@@martialarborist7918 You didn't like how every girl looked like a dude? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
@@Andrew85or Were you expecting the women to look like LoversLab models from Skyrim, lmao.
@@devonmolina5200 No, not at all. Just not all Tom Boys.
I remember I bought Outer Worlds after I absolutely loved New Vegas, and saw the phenomenal reviews along with really wanting it to be good because of fallout 76....but boy did I find it fucking boring lol played for around 6 hours and haven't touched it since.
I have over 700 hours on 76, EVEN THAT had more morally grey and consequence choices following the wastelanders DLC. I remember there's a part where someone you are with gets stuck in a room. You can cheer him on to hack the terminal or simply just discuss another way out. Cheering him on actually ends up getting him killed and you lose rewards from it. Same with how you treat one character as well. If your neutral, overly nice, or an asshole you may or may not get to get an awesome power armor set plus weapon. Basically Fallout 76 (even if it took a year) had better hard hitting choices and consequence than the outer worlds. Damn.
@@mrplayfulshade1038 but is there any indication that this would happen?, like the guy telling you he is bad at hacking, if not I think it would come off as really random and as you would rather use a guide
@@mrplayfulshade1038 the fact that you played 76 at all makes any point you could possibly make invalid
@@exilestudios9546 You'd be suprised if you just played the game
@@exilestudios9546 nah
As I played the Outer Worlds and saw the ineptitude of the Corporations, I believed there was going to be some grand scheme of how the entire star system was nothing more than an experiment by the Corporations to see how far they can push people. It would've shown the raw power they had if they were willing to throw away an entire star system. Instead I found out that they really were that inept. The Obsidian writers really dropped the ball with this one.
I was hyped for this game...then interest kinda petered off after the first world. You articulated it very well 👌
Hey man.
Yeah I was so excited for this game but didn't even end up finishing it
@@windexman2280 Same. To me though a large part was because the world of interstellar space travel doesn't fit the design. I find the world of fallout very interesting. I felt compelled to go out and forge my reputation in the wasteland. I felt as though I was making decisions in a very realistic setting. Even with the mutants and crazy science, the setting felt like it could really exist. Outerworlds just doesn't seem so realistic to me. you almost have to wonder how they weren't all dead already. I was really hyped as well. I played until i was halfway through monarch and i kind of lost interest.
See, I would say outer space might not be my cup of tea, but dead space was incredible, and a dead space rpg with intractable characters would make me queef pretty hard if it was done right. So idk, I think maybe their design and how they build worlds is too tied to fallout for me to get on board with another setting.
I agree, the only reason I decided to side with corporations was because I was role-playing a "mercenary" who worked for the highest bidder. I really had to RP that myself because the corporations didn't really do a good job of trying to buy me out. Like I thought the CORPORATE bad guys would be the path of greed. Get offered more money to do dirty deeds (morally questionable), but...shit I can't even remember what the point of siding with them was. I think it was like to "maintain stability" or some shit. But it was already clear that they were fucking shit up with their incompetence. So once again, my only incentive to side with Corps was "head canon" RP that my character was a (chaotic-neutral) mercenary.
When I played, I tried to RP a character who was already a believer in the capitalistic economic system in the colonies. That is, he believed that the corporations were run by incompetent people, not evil people. Therefore, I wanted to side with the Board, but the game just pushes you _so hard_ to play the rebel.
I feel like they put all of their hatred for Bethesda into this game and I honestly can't blame them with how completely fucked they got.
Fallout 3: You destroyed an entire fucking Town! We're gonna send bounty hunters after you because you *literally destroyed a town*.
Outer Worlds: You destroyed an entire town! We're gonna make these useless vending machines more expensive.
These videos are so well written i have to go back to each one and rewatch. nice job!
When we get to play shit for years, the meh becomes an magnum opus.
Mehgnum Opus
@@tubbstubbs.5311 Exactly!
It's not even better than the newer fallouts, I loved new Vegas and yet I got more enjoyment from fallout 4 than I got from the outer worlds
Fallout 4 is Magnum Opus compared to this "Spacer's Choice Fallout". Hell, even Fallout 76 was more enjoyable than this... and that's something.
Naw that shit sucked hard.
nurse: guys hes awake wanna start ripping tubes out of his chest
Doctor: sure lmao
They have to do it while he's awake, the world doesn't exist while he's sleeping. No but seriously props to this guy for making it through, either I would have shattered my teeth or bit off my tongue.
I appreciated that the majority of your comparisons are also other Obsidian games. This is more about writing and implementation. I dig it. Well done.
I was like "Damn there a lot of Fallout 2 background music here", and then you showed Fallout 2 gameplay. Great dude!
My main problem with the game was how generic my character felt, like despite all my choices i felt like you could only really either play "generic corporate puppy stomper" or "heroic space rogue with a heart of gold". The perks didn't help either, with shit like cowboy or lady killer it actually felt like you were building a character not to mention some of them actually opened up rp opportunities. All the perks do in outer worlds is make you kill stuff better. And the writing was fine but didn't hold a candle to disco elyisum which was released by an unknown team with next to no hype and with a smaller budget yet easily blew it out of the water with its creativity and genuine pen and paper feel. And honestly that's my main problem with Outer Worlds, even in 5e you can present your players with a challenge or make a unique character, even in 5e the modules are better written than the Outer World's generic "woah look at this craaazy beauracracy." But most importantly the game just felt so lacking in any sort of character building compared to any other pen and paper game or rpg on the market that I just couldn't be bothered to finish it.
I am glad you're defending 5e; I can play any D&D and have a good time, especially with creative players' characters and imaginative GMs that'll challenge you. Unfortunately Outer Worlds didn't do either. I agree that New Vegas's perks could also allow for character narrative, heh.
This bro this, I built mi character to be this charistamic good guy that sided with the corporations, thinking, maybe I'll be able to do things in a pacifist way, you know, like new Vegas? Only to realize that I couldn't, as I sided with the corporations I was immediately the bad guy no matter how much people I helped, even at the end my character has the option to say something like: now I'm calling the shots here, only to see that your character doesn't change anything. And that's the problem, you can't built a character and see how things play out with that character, in new Vegas you can build a character that sides with this faction or that one or none and you can make them feel different.
Oh yea. I love 5e, because at least then I can RP a character. Sure my party absolutely curbstomps everything that gets in our way, but we spend most of our time roleplaying. Outer Worlds, though, reminds me a bit of Destiny - mostly just shooting things in the head until you need a better gun to shoot things with. I wouldn't mind boring combat if there was a good story to go with it, but man. I honestly expected better of Obsidian... not NV better, but at least less boring than Fallout 4 (which might even be slightly better now that I think on it...).
Say what you want but at least Outer Worlds can be (and apparently really wants to be) lauded as an outstanding technical achievement in implementing light scattering in every character's left ear lobe.
Holy shit this!
Yeah, actually what's that about??
What the fuck is that even mean???
@@justnoob8141 If you've played the game, you'd know what this means. For some reason, no matter what environment they're in, characters look as if there is a strong light shining through their left earlobes.
Sub surface scattering but it seems canned in this game.
Came for the Bethesda/Obsidian content, stayed for the sad story, hope you're feeling okay dude
i'm glad i'm not the only one who forgot about this game. i was waiting for it to come out to see if it lived up to everyone expectations, then only a few weeks before thanksgiving did see this game out and was like " oh, this is out"
Not open world, hand holding, little choice, average game play. But the nail in the coffin for me was the enemy inventory. Weapons the enemy had not there, but a different crappy weapon will be there for no reason.
That's why I don't like most rpg's. If I kill someone, I should be able to take their shit
@Garrett McBride Yeah. Another good one is kenshi, which is more of a squad management open world sandbox, but it's still very fun.
I hate THAT. If I’m low level and come across somebody above me that is depleting half my health with each shot, I WANT that weapon, and if I can kill them, I deserve it.
Its one thing I always loved about Borderlands 1. If an enemy is smashing me with a rocket launcher, I can get THAT exact weapon by killing them. They went away from that into magically spawning weapons out of thin air in future games.
@@tharnstonewall2005 that's why i didn't like mgs 3. kill guard, stare blankly at his gun on the ground. "procure weapons" my ass!
@@tharnstonewall2005 Kenshi is a MUST PLAY to everyone who loves rpg!
I played The Outer worlds and realized there is zero replay-ability.
Well there's a little bit of replayabilty.
Is that a bad thing? Like genuinely do people do that? I think I've replayed three games in my entire life that weren't just dicking around in the open world.
How come? 10 hrs in atm.
there is zero re-playability
@@danielyoung6778 I would agree as I generally don't replay games, but fallout nv was actually one of the only games I've ever had multiple playthroughs with. For this game specifically it's kinda dissapointing imo I was expecting a somewhat similar game
I stopped caring about any of the characters just a few hours in and went full murder hobo on an entire town of people because I utterly could not be bothered listen to them.
The perks were shit too.
6 hours of discovery, then 13 hours of rampage. I'm surprised I finished it.
i just wanted to say your intro put me in a better frame of mind. im thankful here in my chair right now. i hope youre doing better with your heart thats some seriously scary shit. youre a brave man. i love the channel man please keep up the good work its going to be huge.
So, you telling us you're heartbroken?
Ni no kuni?
I was waiting for this, the only other youtuber I heard criticizing the game is NeverKnowBest. The Outer World is mediocre and I was pretty surprised by how many people really liked it, probably the same people that loved Fallout 4 (game that I hate with all my soul) and were left disappointed by 76.
Like you, I don't hate the game but I abandoned it after the first planet since it felt soulless and made me feel apathetic, so much that I started asking myself if I was missing something since everyone was praising it as it was another New Vegas. So I restarted the game with another character, explored every inch of the planet, talked with anyone, took different "paths" just to be sure of not missing something and...that was it, there was nothing to be found and I was left really bored.
'Soulless'. That's the word I thought of too when I played it. There was just something 'off' when I played it that kept me from going through the whole game.
SnakeShepard97 I enjoyed Fallout 4, don’t get me wrong it was a pretty mediocre game I was very disappointed but I find the gameplay to be a little fun. I didn’t enjoy the Outer Worlds though. I’m a big Fallout NV fan I expected a great return of RPGs. It was an RPG. Just not a good one.
The Obsidian of the past is NOT the Obsidian of the present.
I actually had some enjoyment from fallout 4 it wasn't amazing but I actually finished the game I just gave up on outer worlds halfway through
@@kaisac. lmao same here It just bored me to death as soon as i reached Byzantium I just could'nt play anymore, I mean i have 200+ mods installed in Fallout 4 so there's that, but even in Vanilla FO4 was much more fun to explore than this game. Still Fallout New Vegas is one of my favorite games but clearly there has been a change in Obsidian.
Idk what 5e you're playing where you're curb stomping every encounter but you should probably talk to your dm about making it harder lol
Damn that was gnarly.. Really like the commentary in a sadistic way tied in with the video images. Well done sir. Well done
This video made me want to replay New Vegas for a third time. I have never done a Caesar's legion run...
Caesar's Legion is the only way to go. They are the best faction for restoring order in a decadent and dangerous wasteland. I know it may upset bleeding-hearts on how they treat people, but they do it out of a functionalist belief rather than a malicious one. Once order is restored, then freedom and liberties can emerge. Freedom without order is chaos, which does not work well for societal development.
There isn't as much stuff to do with Caesar's Legion unfortunately
Mod it with caesars legion quests expanded
Comic Sans As if those slavers could last long enough until they reached a semi decent society. The moment Caesar dies the Legion will most certainly go back to nothing more than raiders with a cool flag. House is the way bringing the same amount of stability and security the legion could ever muster, the technological progress after subjugating those pretend nations will restore humanity.
@@comicsans1689 You're very naive to think the legion will restore order in a meaningful way: Their lack of political structure, bureaucracy, infrastructure, technology and overall centralization over single leader (who holds together the entire organization thanks to his big mouth) will lead to a dispute between generals which will quickly escalate to a bloody civil war. Ceasar's big ass sand empire will crumble and the tribes will return to be divide and angrier than before. It's kinda ironic that Ceasar legion is more like Gengis horde, the only difference is that at leas Gengis made a good trade route.
I'm italian, so I know a few things about roman empire(what CL aspires to be) , barbarians (what CL is) and divided micro-cities (what CL will become).
The game did not feel finished at all. It was all around decent, but like most games that come out now of days, it had so much potential that was ignored.
Exactly this. I'm glad someone else gets it. So many games that come out in the past 10 years never try to go all the way. They provide a few things to sort of keep you interested but never try to give you all the things that would keep you coming back for years. Game devs surely play video games.. but sometimes it feels like they never bothered to play their own games before releasing them. I blame the crappy corporate structure... ceo's who have never even played a video game dictating to them.
@@kayfrenly5460 To a certain extent I agree. It might have been Tod Howard, but I remember him mentioning that their studio tries to make games that they themselves want to play. Keep in mind this was well before Fallout 76 lol, but he made a great point in how game development should be.
I think another thing is that most people who play games are not "gamers", which isn't a bad thing by any means, but I think people who have been playing games for at least 10 years or so have been able to really see the difference in the quality of games over the years. I don't know about you, but I watch E3 and the game development videos, the interviews, etc. You can see the difference with how these companies handle their IP's towards their audience now vs then. Certain companies know for a genuine fact that all they have to do is make their game pretty, regardless of the fact their game has zero plot or story and launches with game breaking bugs, they know people will buy it and play it. Which is really concerning to me.
@@kayfrenly5460 I recommend watching "Designing The World of the Witcher 3" by NoClip. You can actually tell these dudes gave and still give a shit about their game.
@@slothzizi it's not Todd's fault, it's fucking Zenimax, I wish we could get them to collapse, free Bethesda, in the Morrowind dev picture, Todd looks really dedicated to game making, lead concept of Morrowind, so sad, fuck you Zenimax!
Sadly that's what Obsidian does to games. They tend to jump focus SO MUCH AND SO FAST in any game they touch. KOTOR 2 had the issue, FO:NV had the issue, even if it had AMAZING side-quests, I wanted MORE legion info and less focus on 50 people who have nothing with the plot. But even with another 2 years to dev it, I get the feeling it would have been the same since KOTOR 2 got months longer then planned, and they pissed away the endgame dev time for more side-quests.
This is my first video ive ever watched by you and man the beginning was just some great ass story telling. IM sorry to hear what happened to you and I hope all is better now. But that story telling was amazing and I really enjoyed it. I havent even gotten to the premise of the video yet and im already seeking more.
Well, now ... I did not expect this when I came here. I can't find the right words to express how this made me feel, but this is definitely a channel and person I can get behind.
It was so painfully mediocre. At the literal end of the game, i thought to myself: "Okok, we saved the colony of workers and the mad scientist, so now we should find a way to prevent the starvation of the galax..." AND the credits started rolling. Nothing i did changed anything in the great scheme of things. You can slaughter a whole planet (or section of a planet) and the people on other planets won't mention it. In Fallout: New Vegas, every decision had impact on the whole overworld. (Shoot first 2 powdergangers on sight = oops now ou want have their questlines and will get a radical different experience when interacting with their territories.)
I wished their was just more of everything. Urgh.
I felt that. I was legitimately angry when I saw the credits. I thought I was beginning Act 3, not finishing the whole fucking game.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt, since NV was also half baked at launch, with half the plot being cut and then reintegrated by the DLC. Apparently the DLC is going to expand the story, but I don't know how much they can salvage. Max is pretty funny and Parvati is kinda cute in the very beginning of the game. Everything else is just mediocre. Also, it feels more like a looter shooter than an RPG somehow.
@@zakatalmosen5984 They're making dlc? This late? Bold of them to assume anyone wants to experience more mediocrity.
@@bruhtholemew well come on, they COULD fix the game, it's not like the base mechanics or the characters are complete garbage. But they haven't done it in Deadfire, and that game was much easier to fix. As always with new Obsidian, they need to implement a couple thousands more checks and flags, and expand character reactions. Then add a dozen of science weapons, rework the factions, and add around 30 hours of content. Nothing a COUPLE OF YEARS of work couldn't fix. The writing is fine, but the plot is complete garbage. Then again, vanilla NV's plot wasn't that great, the DLC made it amazing, but, then again, they had Avellone at the time. I really don't know what to think.
I pirated the game because I dislike adding another adware riddled launcher in order to play a 20 dollar game, but if they fix it at least a bit I might consider buying it. On sale.
The game was better than fallout 4 and 76.
@@ImTheMan0fSteel 76 sure 4 nah. Fallout 4 was a trash fallout game but a good game. Tows is just mediocre garbage, it's like the avg horror movie mediocre shit.
we have lost the : immersion by gameplay instead of graphics. this is the result of years when we said, don't emphasise the graphics over gameplay, they didn't listen, they ' streamlined / simplified all rules' which we didn't want, and now they expect us to be immersed in a world that is unbelievable and you most things don't make sense.
Immersion should come from gameplay design, if you have this, more human behaviour will come from that gameplay design,! the result will be more immersion by gameplay design !
I have been saying these things for over 7 years. It just got worse., you think it's going to be better? that is a nope when tabletop rpg's are undergoing the same sort of treatment, just try and play dungeons & dragons and cry to the sky why you can't be a unique character.
@fenrif you are absolutely right about this, I think it started earlier though, dungeons and dragons 3.5 was released back in 2003 , I as a thick dipshit nerd, aways said I don't play 3.5 I make my characters with 3.0 and play with the 3.0 rules. my friends just let me do my thing. the reason is that most spells and feats are streamlined to cater and balance around pvp, mages are so overpowered with a 1hour/level inivis in combat. YES might be true, but they can't attack and the spell is like this for ROLEPLAY reasons. as was it in 2nd edition! where mages were even less powerfull low level, had to get more xp to level ( yes classes level up at different xp amounts ) .
for me this was the first time I really saw what was happening, this in combination in videogames was the hype of get everything in 3d. even though baldur's gate 2 was 7 miles ahead of neverwinter nights. most people think neverwinter nights was the best game ever made, it wasn't it was pretty decent though, but now it's revered as one of the best games ever. same with dragon age. which was a mediocre game, but at least it was a roleplaying game, 2 sucked balls. but now after so many years of mediocrity these games are getting praise because they are the last of their kind ( same goes for vampire the masquerade bloodlines )
The dilution of RPG games is one of the worst things ever done, you can also blame steam for that. categorizing everything as an RPG. people saying diablo is an RPG. no it's not let's call it what the developers called it when it came out : a hack and slash ! you hack and slash, get loot repeat ! great game. never was an RPG though, they knew it and that's why it was called that. now these games are called an Action RPG because leveling equals RPG ? no it doesn't. the line crossed for me when Payday2 was dignified with a RPG status, it's not a bad game , had a lot of fun with it, but an RPG because you roleplay as a bankrobber? you always roleplay as something/someone in a game. you always have an avatar. my standard retort to this kind of IQ-less mindsets is, if 'payday 2' is an RPG because you roleplay a bankrobber ! than 'thomas was alone' is an RPG because you ROLEPLAY a f*cking rectangle!
I hate it that the corporate world always wants to make most of the money possible, the biggest target group is IQ less so cater to that ! what about the reason games exist? a target group with above average IQ who wanted to escape the real world because people are shit ( no other reason is needed actually ) I escaped my RL because I was severely bullied, I was 11 when I discovered D&D 2nd edition, made a lot of friends because of that, started to really like RPG's and digital games in general. always something to learn, always some problems to solve in some creative way.
now i'm 35 and I quit role-playing about 5 years ago, I would love to have a decent role-playing group and or game to play, but even my friends fell to the mediocrity and don't remember how it was 20 years ago. I can't even bring myself to enjoy a bit of it while being with my friends, I'd rather play an old game by myself lately. I don't think BBT was the cause but a response of the dumbing down and now that was a main target group for it.
and yes you are right, people are moving on, look at all the shooters and battle royals scooping up all the major players, which is fine, please have them. because other companies are noticing that they are losing major cash and can't keep up with these major players like fortnite, I was so happy that ubisoft might have seen the light, and is undergoing changes. because even ubisoft always makes a game that I consider : wasted potential. hopefully the potential isn't wasted now anymore, and they will cater to the group that made them big. the ones that still buy their games in their 30's and I will continue to do so for as long as I live.
gaming made my live bearable, now after so many years, it just became a way of life
@Ricardo Santos I disagree, they didn't even do the technical part right. if even that was right, and had options in games for us to enhance our role-playing, while let the casuals play the game like casuals no one would even bat an eye, maybe some tryhards would say that you won't be playing the game unless you play by the hardest standards, or extra rules that are possible in the game, but that would be the end of it. no sadly I can't even play the games as I want to . when every decision you make has a consequence where you have to think before you act. my twitch shoot abilities went out the door years ago , I'm just an old man, who wants to enjoy a decent game which can challenge me mentally.
Being completely disappointed with AAA gaming industry nowadays, I find myself going way back and finding renewed interest in text-based (parser) games, and also interactive fiction genre.
What do you mean "unique"?
@fenrif they dont view the pmayers as idiots, theyre just not following the philosophy of having encyclopedic knowledge worth of useless junk.
This was the first video of yours that I watched. I’m glad to hear you’re doing better and look forward to to seeing your uploads in my notifications.
As someone who has also had open heart surgery, even though I was a kid, I really lived through your opening. I can still look at the scars and remember the tubes and stitches which riddled my chest. Time heals; I hope you're on the mend, my guy.
In terms of Outer Worlds; I couldn't agree more. I really enjoyed playing it. It's just an "Ok" game. Not even an "Okay" game - just "Ok." But it was a good bit of fun, and I liked your takes on it. You got a new subscriber with that Andrew Ryan meme -- maybe it's in bad taste but: my sides were splitting!
I was so hyped for Outer Worlds with New Vegas being my favourite game of all time and the same developers behind this (some of them anyway). Even though I didn't expect it to be as good it just didn't click for me. Got bored with the game and never finished my first playthrough. Something about it just didn't entice me to keep going. Combat for instance just wasn't fun and didn't feel responsive. Hated how little response the game gives you when you get damaged so a lot of the time I would get hit by enemies and not even notice. I'm a big fan of stealth games and playing stealth builds in RPGs and thought the stealth mechanics in this just felt awful. With no truly silenced guns as a stealth build the only benefit you would get in combat would be one stealth critical on an enemy which might not even kill them. The most disappointing aspect in terms of character building for me was the perks. Most of them seemed so boring and didn't add any cool unique abilities to your character - especially compared to NV which had so many interesting perks.
thefreddiefaction So know what you mean. A certain indefinable something made the game utterly bland. Stopped playing soon after I got the ship into space..
Can we just talk about how a new vegas player is complaining about how combat feels xD
@@CoverCode Haha you've got me there. Though I'd honestly say I still enjoyed the combat in NV better. NV at least had a wider variety of guns which were cool to use
thefreddiefaction that’s fair... something I find odd with FO4 is the lack of guns... like you focus much more on gun play then the story (compared to other fallouts) but there are so few guns... like what (edit... said guy play and not gun play... ups 😅😂)
same boat as you my friend. Fnv is my favourite game of all time and outer worlds just wasnt quite there
The game is so unbelievably "meh". Like, it's not a bad game by any means, but it's just so bland and forgettable. That I think was my biggest problem with the game, *nothing* was fleshed out enough. I never touched it again after my first playthrough and that's a rare thing for me, no matter the game
To be fair I'm sure they warned us the game isn't going to be Fallout.
yeah they made that very clear when they even praised fallout 76 thats when i did a little research and learned that no one who worked on new vegas works at obsidian anymore. the spark that made new vegas died when obsidian declared bankruptcy and fired most of their staff
I love the beginning of this review “eh it was alright’”. So true
The game was over-hyped, let's be honest.
If F76 never existed, this game would have came and passed with barely a shrug. This was hyped because ppl mad at Bethesda, not because genuinely good game.
Unfortunately true
A lot of people aren't aware the game was not made with anywhere near a "AAA" budget that a game like Fallout 4 or similar game gets. The publisher of Outer Worlds "Private Division" focuses on what they call "mid-tier" games. Not exactly "AAA" budget but bigger than indie. Then again with that said maybe they shouldn't have charged $60 (I don't feel quite as burnt since I played through it using GamePass PC when it was $5 a month). But it does explain somethings. Lack of weapons, repeat of assets, not many enemy types etc. Thankfully though Microsoft has the rights now to the Outer worlds IP since they own Obsidian (Private Division did not keep the rights, Obisidian did). So, Microsoft could make another game in the Outer Worlds universe with a MUCH larger budget and longer dev time and make it an Xbox and Windows exclusive. I'd be surprised if they didn't. I think it's a good base to build from.
@@sean8102 if they make it Xbox exclusive I ain't buying shit I hate Xbox controllers been PS for life
@Edward Zignot youre onto something. It’s just an idea but what if Bethesda purposely made Fallout bad to keep the attention on them and not Obsidian? And it just helped Bethesda out because the Outer Worlds was just okay. I mean competition and sabotage doesn’t seem too far fetched does it?
The Outer Worlds convinced me that we'll just lap up anything and praise it as "good" as long as there's no superficial flaws. Having played the game as soon as it came out, and finishing it rather quickly, I was astounded to see the tremendous praise for TOW. I just couldn't understand how people thought it was an 8-10/10 game, but yet, I couldn't identify any significant flaws with the game. And that's because there isn't really any, and in a sense, that is it's greatest flaw.
TOW is by the books, it does nothing significant, and for me personally, it's literally the worst type of game that could exist. A game that does absolutely nothing memorable, not even the courtesy of doing something laughably bad.
great review btw, get well soon
A lot of OT's good press and critical praise is due to circumstances. People have been starving for a New Vegas-esque RPG for years, and Outer World's announcement came at the height of Fallout 76's controversy, which is what really got the hype machine going. I think a lot of people (myself included) were partially motivated to praise OT out of a desire to stick it Bethesda and their bullshit, as well.
@kinsmarts Agreed.
I played it when it came out and put 48hrs into it and thought it was decent. I have yet to really have the motivation that is stronger than the want to play it again, thus I haven't. I also never looked at the reviews and I figured it would have gotten a 6/10 or so. Its a game I would recommend to people to keep Obsidian funded(now owned by Microsoft), but if they didn't have any particular interest in the company behind the game, I'd tell them to get it on sale. Its a worthwhile game for entertainment, but I wouldn't go looking for a life changing or lasting experience from it.
I'll add that, instantly when I got done with the game my brother asked me what I thought about it. My response was that I can see and feel the Obsidian in it, but that it wasn't entirely full filling. I also recommended that he play it on the hardest difficulty as mentioned in this video, even hard was closer to a normal, and I played it on either hard or the hardest difficulty.
Still better than fallout 4 n 76
@@lordmoncef5494 I don't know, vanilla wise, I'd say Fallout 4 and TOW are pretty close. Fallout 4 took longer to finish though for less pay off in the end but a little bit more in-between than TOW. Modded Fallout 4 is better simply for the fact that it's moddable, and in my mind that's the biggest redeeming feature. I've also put 686 hours into Fallout 4, I'm pretty sure that as soon as I beat the base game I was already doing what little modding was available after I put, I think, 60 hrs into the game.
Damn dude. I know this video came out months ago but I SINCERELY hope you’re feeling better and you’ve made a strong recovery.
That Legion 'son of a bitch' gag was gold
Everyone was SOOOOOO CONVINCED that they were going to get another Fallout: New Vegas that they were blind to how shit RPGs have actually become. It isn't just Bethesda.
M. Night Shyamalan Even F76 with all its problems kept my interest far longer than Outer Worlds. I don’t know why, but it did.
@@makundananda4946 because it just works
M. Night Shyamalan Dude, MGSV had way better gameplay than Outer Worlds. I enjoyed both games, but people over praise it because Bethesda bad.
Filipe Golineli 😂😂😂
@@TheFlyingPilgrim MGSV was the worst one, story and voice actors were awful. Plus micro transactions to speed up progess, so they make you wait on all these tech bars to fill to incentivise you to pay. Its basically a Far Cry 4 clone, with all the usual ubisoft map markers and collectibles, not a real MGS game.
Finally I found someone who shared my love for tyranny. For the rpg world desperately demanding meaningful choices, the game wasn't really appreciated that much, which leads me to the conclusion, that the rpg world is smaller than many love to claim.
Disco Elysium is a similar masterpiece. I wish we had more games like those 2.
indeed, disco elysium has supported my first 40 hours of just redoing the first day with different builds, doing different events in different orders, what a fucking gem
Tyranny is so great. My first playthrough I pushed this dude down from a tall tower, because that was how I saw my character at the time behaving. On another playthrough I spared the dude, and realized that you could keep him as a companion, with a ton of dialogue and stuff that I had no idea about despite already finishing the game. Tyranny is that rare kind of game that encourages and rewards actual role-playing.
@paytoncntrll7 fair, the combat wasnt great for me as well (but I put up with it for story) idk if you can find a way to cheat in stats or items or in combat, some will say that devalues the game, but if you just want to enjoy the story, then maybe this is a way to push past the combat to get to it (cheat as little or much as you want/need to experience the story, some assholes will judge, I wont)
I've played Tyranny a bit before, and kinda enjoyed it, but there are plenty of reviews stating how the story gets weaker later and it has a terrible final act or something, so I decided not to play it because I don't want to invest so much time into a deep RPG and world only to be bummed out in the end.
Was it really that bad?
@@LOKITYZ I thought the final act of the game was perfect. It's hard to explain why without spoilers but basically you finally get to reap the rewards of everything you have done in the game up to that point to fill those favor meters. The results is achieving something you probably didn't even think was possible when entering the game world for the first time.
I’ve had two chest tubes ran in me with no pain killer, fully awake. Man, I empathize. Hope you are doing well.
Man the beginning of this video was heavy. I hope everything is all good now. Also great video!
This game made me sleepy for some reason. I tried turning off the music, that didn't help, I would fall right to sleep around an hour in. Then I realized there are a TON of loading screens. I realized all the waiting for the game to load was boring me to sleep, along with all the weird colors, I just couldn't finish it.
Glad I’m not the only one who thought the color palette was... off.
I was so bored by the end, I just killed everyone in elysium, changed nothing
Pretty much like most of the acclaimed RPGs out there.
Yeah, i did the same
i also stopped playing before beating it. Got right to the final boss and then realized I didn't care what happened to anyone in Elysium.
Holy hell my dude I hope you are doing better healthwise today! Condolences to your condition. Looking forward to the rest of the video, just wanted to pause and wish you good health.
Jesus christ that intro my God your an INCREDIBLE storyteller im so sorry for your pain but thank you for sharing incredibly moving words
The shooting appears grindy and uninteresting.
It is. 1993 Doom's gunplay is way more fun than this.
Jesús Molina tbh despite its simplicity the original doom still holds up pretty well more compared to a lot of modern games xD
I'm going to make a contradictory statement. It's not grindy, but it has all the elements of grind. This is because repeating encounters isn't necessary to meet the max level, but every battle feels the same and there is little variation between fights other than whrre it is happening. Even then there is little to no verticallity, maneuverability or challenge.
You appear to talk like someone with very little social skills.
@@abox7825 Thanks for putting it into words. Agreed 100%
When you said something along the lines of "the second time you play and figure out siding with one side will not cause any significant change in the outcome to warrant a second playthrough". I couldn't continue without pausing and nodding very approvingly.
Nice video man, it made me think that we all take our mortality for granted, you survived something horrific and made something beautiful, what a legend