Dens Energy Storage System Fire: Helmond Incident
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- čas přidán 8. 01. 2024
- Explore the events surrounding the recent Energy Storage System fire at Dens in Helmond, Netherlands. Witness the challenges faced by the fire brigade as they attempt to control the blaze and the unexpected collapse of the specialized extinguishing container that was supposed to submerge the lithium-ion battery fire.
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Thank you for your service. I am a retired firefighter and glad I missed out on this stuff, there was already enough bad things to avoid during my working years.
It’s a trivial pursuit, these EVs. Once you add up all of the environmental damage initiated by the mining, refining, transportation and manufacturing of batteries, including the toxic gases released when these fires erupt and burn for days, let alone the polluted water running down the drains into local waterways, one can see what a scam we are living through. #ClimateScam.
Let alone the human tragedy of child slave labour and environmental destruction in the mining of the minerals. Same old story, create a crisis and then offer everyone the solution……..snake oil salesman the lot of them, these ‘experts’.
I also am so glad I missed these sorts of hazmat calls in my firefighting career.
An EV fire in the uk repeatedly reignited over 3 days. Totaling 110,000 litres. All of which runs down the storm drains. Tgats an environmental disaster 😮on its own.
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It's okay it was green fire. Yes I'm being sarcastic
@@supertec2023i hear that green fire actually brings back plants without the pesky need for CO2
Don’t be silly it’s electricity for fuel and even some things is carbon neutral and green friendly
Never put water on an Li battery fire,that’s all.They are breaking HAZMAT protocols applicable to containment of material and byproducts by spreading them thru runoff.
Thermal runaway initiated by a battery cell or by wiring coolant leak fire like in the last megabattery in Australia? I can see the fire prevention systems being of use in the latter, but not once it causes thermal runaway in the battery pack. Unfortunately, these failures, like with EV shipping are too few for any serious changes to be made. It'll take a significant cost and/or loss of life for that to happen.
John Cadogan did a video about a big Tesla storage system that burned in Australia. Nobody, not the company operating the system, nor the local authorities or emergency services, had any idea how to handle it.
That's a common story. There were a few incidents in the US like that, including one in Michigan.
And we’ve just had major floods down one third of the country. EV’s are at heightened risk of catching fire after they have been submerged or waterlogged. There are potential ticking time bombs all over the place.
Ouch, that container loading system is a hell of a bump ride for a battery, they are intended for trash.
This is such an essential channel for this of us who are not convinced about the mania for Battery Powered vehicles or large scale DC Power Storage facilities (I was initially interested in domestic solar roofs and Tesla Battery packs until the truth regarding Lithium ion cells started to be widely understood), which really ought to be every sane person on earth!
The same batteries are in your cell phones, power tools, electric razors, tooth brushes, laptops, etc. Fire is a risk in everything, there’s no need to live in fear.
Check out the Tesla mega battery fire in Queensland, Australia. No staff on site or fire suppression and it wasn't even commissioned, the fire brigade just let it burn. These units do very little to power a town but have the potential to kill everyone in one.
@user-ln7of9gs4s there is a big difference between a few battery cells in your device and 2.3 MWh of power. It's like comparing the gallon of gas in your lawnmower to trying to park a 10,000 gallon gasoline tanker in your garage.
@@StacheDTraining Also that power bank looked to fitted with a hook lift, not a gentle procedure.
Yeah, this channel gets a lot of "All EV is bad" alt-right idiots sent by the coal lobby.
Fortunately large amounts of fossil fuels NEVER catch fire or explode of course.... 😆
Love this channel bud. Thank you for all your hard work and research. Sending love from the UK ✌️
Glad you enjoy it!
@@StacheDTraining something Bright Shines out of you , you care dearly , and will save many lives with this content 🙏. No doubt you have unlimited love from this world . ( I'm lost for words today )
I hope you can get this information to the people that need it, also that they take action on it.
So much sustainability. 🤭
Yes, it's a joke, but isn't! When will this self inflicted madness stop. We don't need this.
It will eventually because the problem is only going to get worse. Just wait until China gets more involved. Oh dear.@@ghunt9146
The potential for the bad guys to do bad things is mind blowing.
Keep up the Great work Mate. This needs to be understood by everyone👍🍺🇦🇺
I complain a lot about Tesla's car design, but it's nice to know that their large powerpacks were designed with a good understanding of lithium-ion battery fires.
...even though their packs are vented, like others, which doesn't stop immersion-induced runaway (or out-of-warranty battery pack replacement).
Problem still remains. If one of these goes up in your garage you are powerless to stop it. Say goodbye to the house and kids.
Huh? Tesla is known as the worst brand for fire safety. BYD even protested the packing form Tesla demanded of them because it takes safe tech and turns it unsafe.
At the Walibi Flevo fire a Tesla couldn't resist a moonlighter-built chargepoint, and together with a second Tesla both burned down to the weels.
Literally every EV involved in that did better, even the Leaf that went up quite enthousiastically.
Big winner if you ask was BYD. Atto 3 there took major fire pressure from two refused but refused to burn. Accolodes too for the humble Renault Zoe that also didn't go up.
@@SVEVelsen at least BYD packs for Teslas are LFP...🤣
It's almost like lithium ion batteries aren't really that good and are more trouble than they're worth
They are fine in my laptop, which doesn’t get submerged in water
While rare, even laptop batteries have caught on fire.
@@James_Bee Yes they did, and it was crazy seeing footage of exploding laptops back in the 2000s. The worst one, and the one which I feel bad for the unfortunate man whom this happened to, was a man with a lithium ion battery blowing up in his jeans pocket.
Like everything. The right application there great. Little drones. Phones. Hand held radios. Hardly seems green when you see so many fires and knowing how lithium is mined. I saw a video from china showing EVs going off like pop corn and shooting into the air 15 feet. My 6.4, 500hp diesel f-250 getting 22.1mpg is green enough for me.
Lifepo4 should be the only thing used in storage systems and arguably electric cars too. They far more stable
Another excellent video with important information for the masses to know 👏. At 4:55 "they don't know what they don't know " says everything WE need to know about this technology that is being shoved down our throat by politicians that have no knowledge of the real world.
It's another reminder that we are Guiney pigs in a live experiment. As if the pandemic wasn't enough of an eye opener.
So what are you proposing? That we don't do anything? Just let global warming take its course? Don't we have to have these systems in place to learn what we need to learn?
@yodaiam1000 If you believe the lie that is global warming. This planet is extraordinary equipped to handle just about anything we humans can throw at it. You know these LARGE THINGS that we named trees 🌳. For these trees and all plants to thrive they need carbons in the atmosphere for them to live. They eat up the carbons and exhale OXYGEN (THAT GAS THAT WE BREATHE IN OUR LUNGS 🫁 TO KEEP OURSELVES ALIVE). Planet Earth 🌏 has been here for billions of years before us humans came into existence and it will still be here long after we go extinct. Besides, the amount of carbons that comes out of our ICE VEHICLES IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE HUGE AMOUNTS THAT COME OUT OF THE SMOKESTACKS OF THE CORPORATE WORLD AND DON'T FORGET THE UTILITY COMPANIES THAT NEED TO BURN COAL AND OTHER FOSSIL FUELS TO MAKE THAT ELECTRICITY THAT YOUR EV NEEDS TO OPERATE. I'm not totally against electric vehicles, they are excellent for driving around in the city
I JUST DON'T LIKE ANYONE TELLING ME THAT I HAVE TO DRIVE ONLY EV's or something bad will happen to this planet
I DON'T THINK SO!
@@yodaiam1000if one truly does believe in anthropogenic climate change, then the obvious steps are REDUCE, REUSE, and RECYCLE. I’m not talking about the “recycling” the plastics industry cynically used to increase our use of plastics.
You’re not saving any planet by rushing out there and getting a shiny new electric car, especially a beast of an electric truck. I have an 11 year old hatchback that I keep in perfect shape, and the most I ever spend on fuel is $60 Cdn a month. Usually $20-$30.
I work from home as much as possible, carpool whenever feasible, and walk my a** everywhere practicable. Set my heat to no warmer than 65 F, my A/C to no colder than 76 F. I also make sure the outdoor condenser is squeaky clean for maximum efficiency.
Always good info and presentation. Thx.
Thanks for watching!
I can't stop laughing at the "electrified future"
Thank you for exposing "green" garbage.
Thanks Stached for the update! Im glad the local fire departments are smarter than highly educated engineers! And rip off company's
We're surrounded by idiots. How long before the electricity goes off and never comes back on?
@@bunsw2070not long now.
It's a mostly green toxic fire.
Thanks for pointing out the flaws. I am actually thinking now about designing my house so my battery boxes (that's 15kWh per box) are actually in their own thermal isolated part outside the house. So when they burn they can burn. The boxes are steel, so if there is a flaw in a cell that causes a cascading thermal runaway of all cells (16x300Ah), that might be good enough to vent the gasses already outside and keep the runaway inside that box. With thermal insulation between the boxes (by airgap) and a free flow of gas to the outside and never inside the house (possibly forced by thermal or gas detection controlled fans), damage might be reduced.
Someone should test thermal runaway inside a box like that, so we can learn how to handle that.
In CalIfornIa PG&E has been upgrading microgrid substations with battery storage devices. Local governments don’t know much about these installs and fire departments and communities are not well prepared to deal with types of fires these units can trigger.
You would think that this technology would be put on hold until a safer system is developed. The fact that they are developing strategies to contain and minimize damage and injury is evidence that there is a big problem.
They are the same batteries in all of your electric devices that you use.
Have you seen the size and capacity of those? Yes, they can be dangerous. Now multiply that by 1000 for an EV. Shake your godamn head mate. Typical EV bot spreading BS.@@user-ln7of9gs4s
@@user-ln7of9gs4s True, but some are worse than others, especially cheap knockoffs with no UL certifications etc.
We can say the same of airplanes.
Every technology needs a merge of different people to look at the problems and how to deal with them. If you want to wait until a safer system is developed, you would eat your meat raw because fire is never save. However there are strategies to minimize damage and injury when cooking.
What we need is people like @OP to point out the flaws. That's how the human race has done it for centuries. Point out the flaws after a failure. Minimize failure and damage.
What you are suggesting is that people would be forbidden to drive until it is save, because driving is never save.
0:50 0:51 0:52 A better design would use a standard 40' shipping container, with water reservoirs on the ends, and the battery mounted low in the middle. It would ship empty of water and require water fillup on site for operation. In case of fire, the water floods and submerges the low-mounted battery.
A better design would be to stop the madness!
I'm not convinced that you could put enough water in the case to make a difference.
@@kcgunesqOhh, maths time...
2.32 MWh.. Call it 840 billion Joules..
Specific heat capacity of water (how much energy to raise its temperature) 4,000 J/kg.
Volume of water in 20' x 8' x 8' (less a bit for the tank) 31,000 litres.
Thatd raise the water temperature by 6700 centigrade....
I think you might have a good point there...
A shipping container has a very soft bottom. Although pretty fire resistant. the floor of a shipping container is wood on a metal frame.
But a better design would be to make it that it can vent and that the thermal runaway can be thermally isolated.
The essence is this: no amount of water will make that Lithium battery stop burning, unless it can drastically reduce the temperature. It can't. So make sure you can let it burn. The loss of a box is not big. Batteries are not really expensive (anymore). The loss of house and lives is. So being smart is being able to let it burn where the gasses can be pumped away and the thermal impact on the remainder of the battery is nothing.
If you can do that, you have a solution to a lot of problems.
If you can do that domestically, you have a real solution to a lot of problems.
Yup they are "Safe & Effective" , I'm sure I've heard that somewhere else before.
"As we start using this type of system..." Just shows what ideologues are behind this insanity.
Great info, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Thermal runaway and hydrogen off gassing are HUGE issues with Li battery packs.
I was going to ask if you planned on testing special fire extinguishers this year?
That's my goal. It won't be just lighting stuff of fire. My plan is to have some scientific method to the test.
I work for a large construction firm. There is a big push electrify alot of the plant machinery. We have large battery packs for powering the demountable offices, solar light towers, electric liebher crawler cranes, etc etc.
Really good video 👍
Great vid🙏🙏
Appreciate it
Great what you do.. Not to completely dismantling this system but to make it safer and better!
Great video. I hope more people wake up to the risks involved with these massive storage banks. By the way, I noticed that often when you say the link to another video should be displayed above, I never see the link. Any idea why?
the link is just under the video description , in the grey area just under the video. click to expand it. i hope that helps you mate
Can be the device your using having a CZcams app that was not able to show hyperlink in the spot designated by the creator.. trying on a different device , say a computer should show everything as it's meant to be interacted with ..
When he mentioned the link a tiny "i" appeared briefly in the upper right corner.
There was a battery fire like this in Australia. Given our existing energy mix, which is mostly hydro I can't see us going to batteries any time soon, if ever
When a lithium battery catches fire, does the state of charge affect the size of fire? For example a fully charged battery vs a dead flat battery?
Yes: czcams.com/video/tFjNypibHO8/video.html
Think of it like this: a fully charged battery means that the chemical state of the battery is very "(re)active". An empty battery is a kind of "inactive".
That's why lithium batteries are transported with about 20% charge. (If they are 0%, they are basically dead, 100% is the best state to have them in, but is also the most dangerous chemically seen).
Sodium batteries (very new production technology) can be transported with 0%. But the chemistry even when charged is less reactive.
On Star Trek they eject the whorp core
an ejection system should eject the thermal runaway cell(s) .
it does. it ejects fire geysers
Have you ever done a video on the Tesla power wall that homeowners could get or could've gotten? I have one smart neighbor. They installed their charger outside of their house in a tiny stand alone shed and they charge their ev outside and park the ev outside. I have never in the last 5 years seen that ev parked inside their garage.
Bouldercombe Fire was the one here in Rockhampton Australia.
Add to that, the storage battery fire in Geelong, Victoria which occurred in July 2021
What links?
Lithium battery mega storage in a emission free zone ??!!! What could go wrong? Diversity hired engineers at work
I definitely joined your channel when fellow Australian auto expert directed us to support you... I had to click the button again now... Ive heard many CZcamsrs tell the viewers to check if they are subscribed as its known that the system unsubscribes viewers... ( I never believed that spin till today ). , keep up the amazing work . Whatever is happening with CZcams trying to slow down a channels progression should be fixed .. ( server logs , internal audit, fire whoevers account with privileges did it , remove that possibility)
I've had 3 or 4 channels I watch regularly become not subscribed in the last couple of months.
Imagine a neighbor getting a similar system in their homes...
You sure have a fireman's mustache
What concerns me is that the gasses given off are not only highly flammable but also highly toxic! What happens when one of these fires occurs in a tunnel or other enclosed space?
Same as happens with any other fire in an enclosed space. What's with the sudden fearmongering?
Valuable information; needs sharing widely. Perhaps then, politicians will draw up (in consultation with people lilke you) some sensible legislation to protect the public from the igniting-battery hazard.
You got a better chance of world peace. The politicians don't give a single f about safety. Just their pockets being filled by pushing their investments. The stroke poke sound familiar?
Thank you for doing what you do: I could charge into a fire to save loved ones, but not otherwise.
I’d *never* have an electric car or LiOn power unit bigger than the ones in my cell phone or laptop-It’s a potential *gas chamber* and *on-site crematorium* all rolled into one!
I *was* in and out of the DMZ in the ROK for 3 years, from 1083-1986. Being in this active combat zone was MUCH preferable to your job, as I know what it’s like to be burned alive: I was the truck driver in a Gasoline Tanker fire at age 22.
Fortunately I had just come back from taking a dip by walking down a boat ramp, fully clothed, into Cedar Creek Lake, near Seven Points, TX, cool off in the 105-degree TX heat.
Long story short, I had 2nd and 3rd degree burns on the 30% of my body that was exposed: My wet clothing was “Dried out” by the fire and that dip in the lake saved me from having all my clothing catch fire. Somehow, I didn’t have the significant scarring (Keloids) that I’ve seen so many others disfigured by, even though I had long strips of blackened skin peeling off of my arms and face.
If there used to be a flash of fire in front of me, I Still have a PTSD flashback, to go with my DNZ-acquired “Hyper-alertness” condition.
I tried to change the battery in my Amazon Fire Tablet. It was difficult to open as it mostly snappers together. My screw driver punchered the battery pack. It didn't take long for the battery pack to get very hot. Hot enough that the plastic on the case itself partially melted. And that was a small flat battery about 4 by 6 inches.
Lithium ion batteries, look at where lithium is on the activity series,
The Dutch have been doing some excellent trials and research using brine to help put out thermal runaway battery fires.
czcams.com/video/VGR-YlpGn8I/video.html
Learning curve indeed. Preventing the runaway condition may be a prudent course of action as well by moving heat away of the cells by means of a secondary and emergency cooling system. Tesla seems to be addressing this. I wouldn’t be surprised if legislators mandated a responders access port… wow return on investments are dwindling fast
Seems sodium batteries are commercially available. Apparently sodium batteries don’t have the thermal runnaway problem.
It's not about exringuishing; you don't 'extinguish' a self-oxidizing burn.
I am curious if the use of something like bleach or other source of chloride would be a more viable option. Since you're dealing with lithium oxide, which is de-oxying and hydrolizing water it comes in contact with, what would happen if it was allowed to react with chlorine bleach? Would it form stable salts or just steam off?
You are on the right track, a eutectic salt mixture would help for fire suppression on EV batteries.
A solar company was trying to sell me a battery package. I said no way in hell will I allow you to bolt those to the side of my house.
Incredible / that truck bulging...
Wow, me being a Dutch and living in Holland ... eh ... not in the news here. Weird, huh? Not heard anything about this.
Maybe tomorrow in the paper? Oh, I understand it was end of December.
Nothing on our "NU*NL" to see at this moment. Tuesday 16:15. 9 Jan.
Btw, I live at the westcoast (near F1 circuit in Zandvoort) and Helmond is for us, way way to the east.
They don't like to put anything negative about green energy on the news because they have a green narrative to sell
Five vehicles dispatched, fire extinguished at 19:30. Nothing special.
... There's a link provided by Captain Durham in the description.
I Google searched and found nothing.
With newspapers the saying was: "If it bleeds it reads."
Now perhaps it should be something like: "If it green facts it re-dacts".
It was extinguished on Friday. The fire fighters had to return on Saturday, because the fire relit. No major incident. Look on ad or bd.
... Like the Genius Star XI fire.
News of the story being suppressed better than the fire, apparently.
Do we need to start mandating integrated firefighting measures with large battery systems? Specifically water to prevent the fires from spreading.
alternately, equipment to shred the battery and any attached equipment -> shred it, spread the resulting debris out, and it should settle down quickly - assuming it doesn’t melt the shredder in the process.
welcome to the electric future.
You mean Electric Funeral 😂
Nice Call, and Reality Check😊👍🏼🎯
Cremation station is the afterparty.@@johnecker4217
Lot of respect for firefighters. They are real heroes.
Makes me think twice about strapping one of those Tesla power wall systems to the side of my house!
A fire blanket is the best way to isolate these types of fires…
They need slide in slide out modules. That way they can save the rest of the storage system and makes it easier to put out the burning module. ♨♨
Oooh, another lithium fire. No other fires to report?
As a person with LiFePo4 batteries, I love someone pointing out the hazards of my batteries. I can't life without them. But I surely don't want my wife to get hurt if something ever happens, because I didn't listen to this guys advice ;-).
But yes, the amount of lithium fires is minimal. The amount of casualties by lithium fire, even of those in airplanes that crashed (ipads...), it's still nothing compared to everyday hazards.
However, domestic use of LiFePo4 increase. For about $2000 you have a very good 15kWh 48V battery box with battery compression, bms, etc... So putting a break on it is also good.
I was one of the first in my neighborhood with solar panels. Later solar panels became a hype and shoddy installers started to install them. And fires happened due to not knowing how to crimp an MC4. Solar Inverters installed under a rooftop (happened a lot in the UK), all for a quick buck.
Anyway: with acceptance of LiFePo4 and next day energy pricing, domestic use of LiFePo4 can dramatically drop the load on the energy grid: I got paid to take energy off the grid during solar highs. But you don't want shoddy LiFePo4 installations.
Well it did store power it just didn't discharge the power as planned
So far I've only had to deal with EV and eletric scooter fires, but even these require wearing a gas mask, protective equipment and having access to the breathing gas bottle in case stuff gets real in an enclosed parking. Water has near zero effect, and in order to prevent stuff from getting real, one has to pull the vehicle out of the subterran parking and let it burn out (we love our tracked vehicle with a 600 HP engine and proper towing equiment). If one of these power storage units go up, there's no way you can save the device unless this was a pre-planned excercise with one of these huge 'swimming pool' containers and a massive crane to lift it into that container full of water (and even then, my guess is the termal runaway would boil off the water pretty quick).
I'm volunteer FD, and there are limits to what we can do in a 25k inhabitants town, and what type of equipment we can purchase for our FD, and the stuff described above is simply financially out of reach for most volunteer and small full time FDs. We do have these new-fangled high pressure water injectors for EV batteries now, though, and we had the training on how to use them, but looking at these explosions, we're probably soon going to have fireman vests with Kevlar inserts, and kevlar chaps for our pants.
You can stop a thermal runaway by flooding the battery pack itself with water so heat from a failing battery gets evacuated by water instead of propagating from one cell to the next. Just keep the coolant flowing until electrolysis and corrosion are done discharging/destroying all of the cells in the failed pack.
Absolutely a possibility, however then you have two problems. What do you do with the contaminated water? What happens to the remaining damaged cells when the unit is drained.
@@StacheDTraining Battery burns, contaminates its fire-suppression coolant, coolant becomes conductive, discharges the cells, picks up heat, goes through a filter to remove chunks, liquid-liquid heat exchanger to dump the heat it picked up, a pump and 'round it goes to keep temperature even across the failed pack.
You don't open the box until cells have marinated in conductive coolant long enough to be mostly discharged where they don't have enough energy left to self-ignite again.
The amount of extra water/coolant here is only the few gallons needed to fill voids inside the battery pack and some extra make-up fluid for any that may get boiled off otherwise evicted. Once the event is over, you can pump the coolant onto an evaporation bed, scrape the solids off a few days later, dump them inside the failed battery module and ship it for recycling/disposal..
Should every ev have a water injection port .. to directly flood the cells .
@@aperitifs Some heavy machinery does have a water injection port on their battery packs. For passenger vehicles in urban areas though, I'd be concerned with the likelihood of vandals dropping a gallon of salt water in there for giggles.
The new potted cell designs are going to be particularly bad since the water isn't going to give effective cooling once runaway starts.
How about an autonomous mobility platform equipped with a large battery pack that shifts when thermal runaway is detected. It addresses a critical safety concern associated with batteries. Moving the battery away from potential hazards could help mitigate the risk of fires or other issues caused by thermal runaway.
It all costs money. Engineering is the biggest issue with these systems. They have too much confidence in the design & battery chemistry. You always have to design in contingencies in case of failure.
Gee a gust battery catches fire and is tough to
put out. It makes it own O2 so once on fire off you go
We may not know what we don't know but we also have to learn what we need to know and we can't do that without proceeding with these kinds of systems. Of course engineers try to make predictions and design around them but unpredictable issues arise and we learn from them and then carry on with new designs and regulations. As you pointed out, we can't do that until systems are put into place. Should we stop progress to stop global climate change due to a small number of fires or should we learn from it and proceed?
So it's about 3 Tesla Semis worth of batteries. So a Semi in thermal runaway would be about 1/3 as bad
We have had at least two fires in Australia from these f-ing storage systems. Not to mention the damn EV trucks that have gone up in flames.
I think we should use thermal energy to store large amounts of energy for domestic use. Sand can store a lot of energy, and even though it is hot, the thing is not going to blow up and is cheap. These batteries use a lot of expensive and relatively rare chemicals which produce toxic gases.
I think this is the way to go: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludington_Pumped_Storage_Power_Plant
@@StacheDTraining A gallon of sand can store 1.7 times the energy each gallon of water that uses per degree rise in temperature. So if operating at 500C range you get a storage medium only 1/850th of the size, an plus you don't have to find two lakes such as the scheme relies on.
What’s interesting is Tesla already having built systems that appear to be safe…
Why use Li-ion batteries for this kind of storage? Makes no sense.
Energy density. It absolutely makes sense. Unfortunately, the failure mode can be catastrophic.
@@StacheDTrainingEnergy density is not required in this use case. It's just an unnecessary expense and risk.
A volunteer fireman in Getzville, NY, invented a device that slides under the EV, punches a hole through the floor of the vehicle and delivers water directly into the batteries. It worked quite well, but I haven't heard anything about it since it first came out about 2 or 3 years ago.
I smell a coverup.
They are issues with puncturing the battery. czcams.com/video/qgP7KkDesBo/video.html
There are videos of a Tesla underwater and still on 🔥. Realistically no amount of water is going to put one of these things out they're not going to extinguish until the fuel is gone
We learn from our mistakes. One day we’ll get it right.😮
wonder how much net zero emission's were released into the atmosphere with this one?
0:27 "2.3 MWh, a massive amount of power"
Thats energy, not power!
Make it airtight and install a vacuum pump hooked on an ext. powersource.
The push for EVs and the insane dangers they create still blows my mind. The fact people park 100KWh bombs in their houses is even more mind blowing
I love the idea of diversified energy as a long-term solution BUT, it is clear there is not industry-wide best practices in-place to guide manufacturers wanting to dip into this area of battery storage solutions. Decades ago, some manufacturers pointed to diversified energy as a solution to take pressure off the grid and have energy generated closer to the source.
With battery off-gassing being a reality, what risk do consumers face in 2024 regarding EVs in home garages? Seems like we have not seen off-gassing problems with Toyota hybrid vehicles.
Lithium-Ion batteries only off gas when when they fail. Toyota is extremely conservative with their technology. Many of their hybrids still use nickel based battery chemistry.
@@StacheDTraining Thank you for bringing an intelligent and open dialogue on these topics.
People that swear up and down the hall of the mountain king that thermal runaway doesn’t exist and/or it can never happen to them (people yelled and screamed that the Earth was flat as well…)
Old tech. The garage at my flat switched to a LFP cabinet system. LFP batteries are much better technology. The cabinet system charges off peak and charges EVs from the batteries. It also helps balance the electric grid.
Tesla now uses LFP-cells (without cobalt kathode) for their Megapacks. So this shouldn't happen to Tesla Megapacks anymore.
LFP batteries can/do fail.czcams.com/video/YvQ9NEw76G8/video.htmlsi=kUc4lrp6omx2iJku
Little batteries for big power is a bad idea.
Similarities to coal mine fires and propane basement fires. Firefighters and manufactures will figure it out to make it safer in the future.
as if they were designed to fail
😏👏🤫. Keep testing. Safely😅. More data and more awareness!
car expert John Cardogan has a CZcams about extinguishing EBV fires with cold frigid salt brine! better than water.
Another point of critics: why do they build Battery-Packs in Vietmam? Why always the cheapest work place without expertise and quality know-how!
I discuss that system here: czcams.com/video/VGR-YlpGn8I/video.html
Explosive gasses into the environment sound green to me.
i had a dead short on a 18650 for like 3 seconds. it got hot very hot
Tesla Powerwall - For the best lightshow at your home :)
What in the world are we creating?
This is why everyone is moving away from Lithium Polymer to LiFePO4 (Lithium Iron Phosphate) ... zero fires, safer than lead acid.
At least it's conveniently located in a roll off bin
These batteries do not create energy - they store it. It is another layer of technology needed for the electric economy. This makes the electric economy, like electric cars, much more complex than a non-electric economy. This added layer costs money, consumes resources and creates pollution in its manufacture.
Why can't they use a Blanket of Starlight to contain it?
1:55 "If they detect thermal runaway, they fire those ignitors off, making sure they burn off the gasses."
Into CO2? I thought we're trying to prevent exactly that? :D
Or maybe it burns into something completely different and safe. Then it's OK.
EV battery packs need a flood port for firefighting.
green fire
Now you got a couple more problems. The weight of the trailer (water weighs 8.85 pounds per gallon). What fire department has money to buy these trailers. What do you do with vehicle or large batteries after fire, who is qualified to take apart to salvage. Maybe better to find big field and let burn? I don't think "tree huggers " saw this coming.
Where is the story of the runaway EV car a month ago at Niagara crossing that blew up. That story has been buried
That was not an EV.
What is the cost to drive a trailer to a burning vehicle or large power supply and submerge it .... Then clean up and recycle the aftermath.
Who pays for it?
EV owner to insurance company:
Why are you charging me $1200 per month?
That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.