Should We Declare Healing Or Ask For It?
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2023
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What does the Bible say about how we should practice the gift of healing? Is the practice of declaring healing Biblical? What does Scripture say? Watch this episode for details on how to practice the gift of healing.
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"Jesus treated sickness as an enemy". Amen!
Miller’s pastoral heart and wisdom is consistently appreciated.
I’m so used to saying the intro by memory at the start of every show😭
This will be hard, but thank you for breaking me out of my introductional echo-chamber.
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From basement boy to foot apostle and now being in the intro video. Millers moving up in the remnant world
Yay for Miller 🙌🏼🥳
Apostle? Wonderful to hear how the Lord has been using him though!
revealing is the mystery of those who are spiritual and MUCH much more spiritual than everyone around them...
..yep, he is a true apostle !! - a man after Jesus own heart !! 🙂
"One of the biggest dangers right now in the Christian walk is to believe prayer doesn't work. Amen!
A former pastor of mine used to YELL when he was praying for people, “GOG, DO IT NOW. DO IT NOW GOD.” Just screaming. This pastor also said, “If you don’t tithe, you’re probably not saved.” He also led people in corporate prayer, “God we forgive you.” That freaked me out. Another time he said “If you aren’t working in this church, an actual JOB, you might question your salvation”. So much more. After 4 years of being bullied, I left.
don't blame you. that sounds nutty.
We really let pastors like that get away with too much for too long. Glad you got out of there.
What a whack job.
It amazes me that pastors like that maintain a following of even one.
Those are the type of people that shouldnt be in ministry. that should have elders calling them out. Publicly call out such false teachers and let them be handed over to Satan
I need to say something here “positive”. It is easy for me to see area’s of disagreement with you guys based on my understanding of God’s word, as also at times I can agree. But I want to say I like the way you guys interact with each other, I believe it glorifies God.
so this is a kind of strange story. My Dad's dog recently passed away. To make a long story short, it was very dark and foggy out, the dog was running through the yard and slid into a tree at full speed. Ended up breaking it's back and had to be put down. The next day my dad was making a comment that he should "just cut that stupid tree down, he doesn't want it to be up and be a reminder of what his dog did". That night we had a major wind storm come through. This specific tree is in a cluster of about 12 trees. They woke up the next morning to see that tree have been knocked down. Like almost completely uprooted, but none of the other trees were touched.
I'm with Miller. I hear ya. When the Spirit compels a humble and prayerful heart to minister, it can look very unconventional at times. I don't usually talk about those experiences unless the person affected wants to proclaim the deliverance or healing, since it is their story to proclaim. I'm just the vessel of honor.
As a Birth Doula, I would see the Spirit at work in the most beautiful and unusual ways. I continually stood in awe and gave Him the glory!
I love hearing these guys talk about healing. Very edifying to me.
Well, you can ‘command’ all you want, but God is sovereign in the results. We can’t compare our approach to Jesus, when He commanded, because God can do what He wants and Jesus has all authority. When did Jesus command something and it didn’t come to pass? It seems to me, if you are ‘commanding’ someone to be healed, you are acting with authority, as if God has shown you that He intends to heal someone. If said individual is not healed, than you have not heard from God and you are acting on your own. Which can be very dangerous. This is where the abuse of the gifts comes in. 🙏
Can you demonstrate from the New Testament that praying for healing is more normative than commanding healing in Jeus name?
@@gareth2736 Although I believe the gifts continue for today, clearly the apostles had a special anointing and calling from God. They moved in that authority. As mentioned, no where in scripture did Jesus command something to be done, like calming the storm, and it didn’t happen. If Ken Copeland commands that ‘COVID be gone’, he is acting beyond his authority. Last time I checked, COVID is still with us. If we are ‘foolish’ enough to ‘command’ healing and it doesn’t happen, which is frequently the case, we are outside His authority. It’s a blatant abuse of the gifts and misrepresents the Lord to the world and other believers. The same can be said regarding ‘the baptism of the Spirit’, speaking in tongues, deliverance ministries, and prophetic ministries. If you don’t do it God’s way, you are operating in your flesh or worse yet, under the deception of the enemy.
Actually Jesus told all disciples to heal the sick raise the dead cast out demons and cleans the lepers. This is authority to command.
It’s his will to always heal. “Beloved above all things I desire for you to prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers”
Hey he said ABOVE ALL THINGS
Isaiah 53:5 actually says Jesus bore our sicknesses and carried our pain. It’s already done. Coming into agreement with that and resisting sickness is gods will
This is exciting! I literally was asking the Lord this question last night!
IMO, the model request for healing in Scripture is the Roman centurion's, because Jesus commended his faith.
The centurion's humble plea was grounded in the authority of Christ. He knew who Jesus was, and that He could command anything from anywhere.
When I pray for someone's healing, my declaration is God's sovereignty. It usually goes something like, "Lord, You are sovereign over every cell in ______'s body. Every cell must obey You, and if You just say the word, she WILL be healed." And then I ask for that. I ask because that's what Scripture tells us to do; the imperatives outweigh the indicatives:
"ASK and it will be given to you ..." (Matthew 7:7)
"If two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ASK ..." (Matthew 18:19)
"Whatever things you ASK in prayer ..." (Matthew 21:22)
"For everyone who ASKS receives ..." (Luke 11:10)
"Whatever you ASK in My name, that I will do ..." (John 14:13)
"You will ASK what you desire ..." (John 15:7)
"Whatever you ASK the Father in My name He may give you ..." (John 15:16)
"... do not cease to pray for you, and to ASK ..." (Colossians 1:9)
"... let Him ASK of God ..." (James 1:5)
"Yet you do not have because you do not ASK" (James 4:2)
"And whatever we ASK we receive from Him ..." (1 John 3:22)
"If we ASK anything according to His will, He hears us ..." (1 John 5:14)
If you look at that work ask in strong, it means to require
I've been driving past and praying over a strip club for 10 years and have been believing for it be shut down and the patrons and employees to find Christ!
I’m of the camp we ask God for things. We don’t demand anything from the Almighty.
I think it’s less of demanding God to do something and more of asking him and demanding sickness in the authority through Jesus Christ to leave
@@faithandfailures That’s entirely different. We would be using the authority given us by Christ Jesus over serpents and scorpions. But we are still clay, still creatures. I don’t ever come close to making demands of God, but ask Him in humility.
Comment on why Jesus used spittle to heal (from a Jewish perspective):
Mixing it and making mud was, according to the Pharasees (and today's rabbis) as changing the form of a substance, thus work done on the Sabbath. That's why he did it, to show that He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
The Sabbath is the Lord's day!
Keira, you are SO incredibly talented and your creative style resonates with many. Thank you for this lovely video, and for sharing some of the tough stuff with us too. You are a blessing to your family and your efforts are not in vain. May God strengthen you and guide you as you pour yourself into your work to help your husband at this time. I am a long time subscriber, and I genuinely care about your sweet family. (And I will pray that your awful neighbor moves!) ❤
Thank you guys so much, very thought provoking to say the least. I agree with you that the danger is NOT to pray. For now we see through a glass darkly, I believe the Lord is pleased with stepping out in faith to pray even if we don't understand perfectly. Of course faith in Him not ourselves. Amen
Thank you for this conversation 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
GREAT video, you guys!
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Thank you so very much🙏!! Älskar er humor😆👍!
Blessings to you all!
Love the new intro Josh! Well done!!
I have 2 Children that have pretty serious health issues. But one in particular, my son Nathan(he is 15 years old)has the more serious illness. In a nutshell we have been to Dr's, Specialist and have been basically told the treatment that they would like to do would cause a type of Cancer but that it is a treatable Cancer. We have since left that route and have been working with Dr's that take a more holistic approach to healing. Nathan has made much progress, but still in alot of excruciating pain throughout his entire body,his nerves have been affected as well as swelling in some of his joints,along with having to take so many meds. It has been a Very hard life altering road.
I do believe God still heals but I have not seen what I say I believe, my theology doesnt line up with my experience. A couple of versus do make me pause and think,even though I have heard these versus used wrongly I still do not quite understand them or maybe I do and I am living with the consequences, I am referring to Mark 6:5 and Matthew 13:58 any help on these versus would be cool but even more cool would be to lift Nathan and our family up in prayer to King Jesus.
Doing my part ❤️ Please tell me if anything changes
@@gabrielgibson3479 thank you for real. So hoping that the Lord heals my son, he is in so much pain, meds help some but I hope he does not have long term side effects.
I think in the two verses mentioned, the faith the people lack is faith in Christ, not merely faith for healing.
There were many in the gospels who believed Christ for miracles but when He preached the Kingdom, that's when people left Him. (See John 6)
Those of us who trust in Christ are not withheld our prayers because of a lack of belief.
We trust in His providence and ask Him for what we think we need but ultimately we pray 1) His will be done
2) Give us this day bread to sustain our needs
Taking responsibility for our reaction to abuse regardless of the relationship is necessary for the abused, which is to say having lesser social or physical power in an abusive situation, to quit being a victim by submitting only "as unto the Lord." I speak as one who has been abused in multiple situations and learned to question why and then to own my fault. 1:01:28
Do want to be careful cursing Bars today? Many who call themselves Christian today may be in that bar…go ahead curse it!
I am glad I have God’s word not just people with a followings ideas and opinions.
God is in you
We can bless or curse according to God's will because God is living in us. Not because we are anything but because Christ lives in us and works through us.
Alisa Childers recently had someone on talking about cursing in the Ancient Near East.
John Piper’s new book, Providence, is a great resource on all these topics.
Yay! Love the new intro!
Being consecrated to the Lord..you know your coming from the Him..the source! Be it according to your faith
Great episode! Miller declaring bankruptcy was comic gold! I think Michael's calvinist theology wanted to say hello during g the beginning. On that note I would probably be good to define terms especially when using God's sovereignty. I'm will to bet Josh and Miller probably don't hold to determinism. All saying g the same word but have different definitions
At the 3:17 mark in the beginning of the episode you said there’s a link to watch the episode about decreeing and declaring. I can’t find it. And you please help me
Sending love!!!
Thank you all this is a great subject. I Believe JESUS said your FAITH has made you whole. So Faith is what's needed. I believe after someone prays you need father and belief by one person or the other.
I finally had the intro memorized😭
Love the new intro!
Ham didn't do anything sexual to Noah, he literally raped his mother(Noahs wife) in order to usurp Noahs authority(which was a common practice in the ancient world)- that is why Noah curses Canaan(the child that was born of incest) and Noah isnt creating a curse from his own will or power, he is prophesying.
When it says that Ham uncovered his fathers nakedness it is speaking of Noahs wife- we get the context in Leviticus 20:7-8 which says: You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your *father’s nakedness.*
Interesting perspective
Didn’t Moses write both those books? Seems he used the same figure of speech in both passages.
@@ws775 Yes, but don't forget- the author of the Bible is the Holy Spirit. God had to reveal to Moses what happened with Noah and in the Leviticus passages it is God who is speaking.
"Weird" can mean we just don't completely understand how God designed everything (seen and unseen) to work. Relax guys. Don't apologize and don't try to conform to man's expectations and comprehension. Just do the Lord's work, led by His Spirit (or the other name we give Him, "something") even if it means appearing "weird" and people not understanding. God won't think you're weird and surely those who are set free won't care. The Lord bless you.
...the book from Derek Prince, "Blessing or Curse: You can choose!", just comes to my mind. Maybe an interessing source to check out.
Be blessed, guys! 😊
Cheers from Berlin, Christine
I'm so excited to watch this. I have been wrestling with this question for a while now. Appreciate your stuff guys 🙌🏼
PS Yay for Miller 🥳
I personally believe we ask for healing then decree it is done. Believing that God heard your prayer and is and has healed that person because of what Jesus did on the cross. Jesus in Mathew 17:21 nkjv when casting out demons, (which is a form of healing) says, However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.” so prayer is also called for.
silver and gold have I none, such as I have give i thee, in the name of Jesus Christ rise up and walk
True story, and I am not a cessationist so don't misunderstand, about 20 years ago I would always have to drive between two strip clubs on my way home and I always prayed to God for them to burn down. The damage they do really upset me and I wanted them gone. After about a year of prayer, one of them (the more run down and trashy looking one of the two) burned to the ground and I assumed it was an answer to my prayers. Well, within a few months the owner had rebuilt the place bigger and way nicer looking than before and once it reopened it had way more traffic than ever. Ugh. I still don't know what to make of that one.
I think this video is better titled "a discussion on whether ...", cuz i expected a conclusion but just got mixed perspectives
You can't bully God into doing your will.
Did anyone suggest you could?
Can we beg God for healing? Certainly. Can we demand it? No.
You guys are producing some great content and excellent discussions.
I love the thought of Jesus treating sickness as an enemy. I haven't heard that before. When it comes to suffering with Christ, I believe that's more for His name sake. Like when Peter and John are thrown in prison for preaching in His name, or Paul being stoned and left for dead.
I've experienced what Miller spoke of, the anger as well as, "pulling" something out of the back of someone accompanied by the physical action and the person was delivered of a devil. I didn't think much of it until now but glory be to God.
But the problem is, that lady said the pain came back worse the next day... doesn't sound healed to me
Can you post link to the lady saying the pain came back worse the next day?
Where's this video of the "Knife and Back" shoulder pop? I really want to see it!
I dont think they have a video of the actual event, they have a video of her saying her testimony...but in the video she said the pain came back worse the next day, idk whg they left that out...
We are never told that everyone can heal, though some may have a gift of healing. We also aren't ever given instructions to focus on healing. We aren't supposed to try to do everything that Jesus did when He was on the earth. Jesus walked on water and calmed the storm, that doesn't mean that we should try to. Everything that was done, was done for a reason.
Prayerfully consider
1 Corinthians 2:4-5
My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.
Again, just a few sentences earlier (1 Corinthians 1:7), it is written:
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
1 Corinthians 1:7
Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly await the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:15-18
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My Name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will be made well.”
*Now note the concluding verses which explain the function and purpose of these signs:
vs.20
And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them, confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it.
Blessings in Christ to you. May you be strengthened and edified in His Word through His Holy Spirit.
Htebazile ~
I love your passion.
I believe we're very near the last days according to the Word of God. In
John 12:12-14 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to the Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."
This is a very powerful statement He gives us!
This added to the prophecy in Joel 2:23-32
It states that God will restore for all of us His children all that the enemy has stolen from our lives, provide for our needs, AND pour out His Spirit on all flesh...
I believe we're going to be astonished at/by the power of the Holy Spirit in believers to do wondrous things for the glory of God! And, it just may be of necessity to survive at that point.
I'm open to the Lord, but I totally respect your statement!
At 55 mins, Brothers, this decree articulation is hard for me. I feel we’d have to separate the language “decree” from us being the agents of “appropriating” the healing that IS in the atonement. That is a major part of how the language of decree is used and I feel removes God’s sovereignty and Him being THE high priest appropriating healing with the hyssop via the Holy Spirit working it and it is an act of grace mediated by Jesus Himself, revealing the Father’s will to heal. He is the “appropriator” even when we declare. Almost think it would be more helpful to say, when our “declaration” lines up with His “decree” of healing and the timing of His will, we maybe better harmonize His sovereignty and delegated/extended authority. Not decree, but declare. He decrees, we declare/herald?
Just came across this in my Bible reading, further to Rowntree’s comments about God’s sovereignty over our blessing and cursing, from Balaam (Numbers 23:8): “How can I curse someone God has not cursed? How can I denounce someone the Lord has not denounced?”
I am glad Miller is included in the intro, but I really hope that doesn’t mean the “history, theology and the gifts of the Spirit… helping you break out of your theological eco chambers” isn’t the goal/ theme of the show now. I’m a nerd on those things and this show is something that has helped me so much to process these things in light of Scripture. I may not agree on everything, but there is incredible content here.
Also, Canaan is Ham’s kid. Noah cursed his grandchild because of his son.
As humans (not just as Christians) we have power, right? We can heal and we can kill. I would think as a believer who is empowered by the Spirit, we have power to bless, heal, whatever ... and even to harm. To an extent God trusts us with this power. Absolutely we can heal (or whatever) when we specifically hear God tell us to do it. But as His children, He allows us to do what WE want too ... for good and bad. Is God sovereign? Of course, but I believe that free will plays a big part. Good topic!
Oh gosh! "NARly" is my new favorite term! I'll be using that.
I completely agree that we cannot put formulas on these things but should be led by the Spirit.
However, there is research even in the secular world about the power of blessings and curses (psychology, water vibrations, etc.). It probably speaks to an underlying spiritual law that should be understood in light of scripture. Both declaring random things and twiddling our thumbs are extremes.
I would give it a shot. The apostles did. I believe there is power in the name of Jesus.
A couple of observations that may help. First, many people view prayer as asking God for something they do not have. Health or wholeness for example. When prayer should be asking for the experience in earth, of what we already have in heaven.
The other thing is that Jesus Himself did not declare or decree anything because He had the power, and decided to use it. The things He declared and decreed, were the things that He saw and heard the Father doing.
If we look and listen to what the Father is doing, and then speak that, we will always see the results. Because we are not calling something into existence, we are simply declaring something that God has already done or is doing, into earthly experience out of heavenly reality.
Congrats to the foot apostle!
I do want to see a Church (big C) described by James where we can bring those to obtain healing by the unlimited power of the Lord before seeking medical treatment.
Love the intro!
Josh looks a bit like St Francis of Assisi today.
Hahaha! That hoodie is quite monkish.
54:05 honestly Roundtree your opinion doesn’t matter if the spirit leads someone to repent of something for freedom
in the general topic of blessings and curses, i recall Watchman Nee's The Latent Power of the Soul where he describes that we were all created with some level of inherent power in our eternal souls to affect people. i think there's something to that. i think it's possible for judgements and curses to become an oppression, maybe even further empowered if demons inhabit the curse which becomes witchcraft. i also believe parent can and should bless their children which has power in and of itself.
Praying for people is healthy to do out of one's relationship with God, so that you don't treat every need and person the same, but out of communion with God through Jesus. I think it's much closer to what Jesus means when he says, I only do what I see the Father doing. We must treat people as individuals and not as a method, always listen for God's heart for others. Great episode guys, thanks.
Mark 9:29, Jesus says that the kind of spirit in the boy only comes out through prayer.
My brain glitched when the new intro came through my ears.
That's the million dollar question. I wondered at this many times..
Prayer works. Healing in the name of Christ Jesus is real 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
It seems you pray if you don't know God's permissive will on a healing, but if you feel the Spirit and fire and boldness over the act, it's already been approved in heaven so you can declare what was already decided.
Does anybody have any thoughts of the Circle Maker book referring to decreeing rain from God? Has anyone heard of this top 10 Christian best seller? I am currently doing research on it and I am looking for any resources or feedback
1 Samuel 3:19
And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him and let none of his words fall to the ground.
This verse came to mind as you were chatting, I think it means if you are a friend of God (or better yet a son) God will uphold your blessings & curses. Although I will say Jesus rebuked the sons of thunder for wanting to curse their enemies, we are in the church age now, it's time to show Gods grace and bless not curse.
If we say negative things it does effect people weather we are believer or covenant or not. Look at the study with plants and rice. You can scream at rice and it turns black. You can yell at plants and they die.
"Faith is confidence in God," yes!!! Amen 💖
Commanding healing "is not our normative model"? It's not OUR normative model, but it is the normative model as written in the Gospels and Acts' .
The people who have greater understanding of our spoken words you would reject, so have fun with your “searching”.
God ordained man the head of household. Even if they do it wrong, they are in charge. God has grace through it, yes. But God gave the authority. That's why they can do it even by accident.
Rhema and being tuned in and sensitive to the leading of the Spirit
Commanding a sickness to leave is different than commanding God to do something.
We ask God to heal and we command sickness to leave. I think the Bible’s pretty clear on that.
Sovereignty is a very mysterious subject and is obviously a point of contention amongst Christians. I guess it depends on how much free will or agency any of us have. God is sovereign, he can do anything, but that doesn’t mean he will do anything or everything. I believe there’s enough evidence in the Bible to suggest we have some amount of agency, especially when doing things within Gods will. How could God be pleased or displeased with human outcomes if we didn’t have a part to play in it?
What would you do with Matthew 10:13? Liking the Discussion and the willingness to say you don't know. I think we need a lot more of this kind of discussion surrounding topics that have some mystery to them.
The great commission..preach heal deliver is the mission..be led by the Spirit! Be it unto us according as you have believed. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
Blessing and cursing: in most of those examples, the person doing doing the act was in authority over the recipient. Solomon was king of Israel, Noah and his son, etc. In others it was something God said would happen if a specific thing happened first.
Personal thoughts without digging, myself, yet.
Micheal is right on the money about Gods providence.
I was recently “cursed” by a (supposed) fellow believer I met online, and bc I wouldn’t send him money, I called him a scammer. He then declared he was a man of God, he declared (and cursed) me to a life of forever being unhappy, never remarried (I’m a widow) and so forth. Although i called him a scam artist, I recognize a curse when I hear one. How should I take this? I’ve declared his curse null and void, but not sure.
I encourage you to focus on how big God is. God set limits on the devil.with regard to Job. Satan would have loved to have destroyed Job, but got did not let him do it. Do this: Since he cursed you to perpetual unhappiness, make it a point to focus on the Lord and His great love for you. Take time to praise Him. See whether or not your countenance changes. More importantly, joy is part of the fruit of the Spirit. So you think that guy, or anyone else, can take the Holy Spirit away from you? In fact, can anyone separate you from the love of God? (read Romans 8:31-39 for the answer). Be blessed, and may the peace of God rest on you.
Deal with it as Jesus commanded:
"Bless him..."
Using the parable of the dry bones to say there is a basis for decreeing and declaring? No guys this is wrong. Go and read that passage again. Be careful that you do not use scripture to support doctrines yóu really like. Count the instances the scriptures say that God commanded Ezekiel in all he did there and that Ezekiel did what God commanded. The passage highlights God's authority, not Ezekiel's. Ezekiel admits that he does not know but that God knows everything. There is no basis and no support for drcreeing and declaring in the Bible. Especially the way it is used nowadays to portray the authority of the believer. This is pride and it is sad
How about the perspective that the Word describes our relationship with God in such a way that God honors our decisions. That if we are submitted to God that He gives us the desires of our hearts (minds).
Or that God can be persuaded by the request of a person calling out to Him.
I wonder if we take the stance of God's sovereignty so far that it removes some of the relational aspects of His involvement.
It's not normative. The key is spirit led in MATURITY under sound biblical understanding of healing. Well done. May God be glorified!
Knife out of back: It could've been sickness caused by a demon. I've experienced a lot of healing and the couple that have been demonic, I too was angry, overcome by The Spirit and said it with an authoritative command.
Hmm I like the last short sharp punchy intro
Yes
The idea of viewing sickness as an enemy while holding to a compatiblist view of God's sovereignty - this I would love to hear more about. I have personally found this a very difficult space to occupy.
@Joshua I agree with your latter point, and I also support the activities you mention in the former whole-heartedly, but I think this is a hasty generalization. There are numerous physical conditions which people have no power to prevent that are idiopathic, genetic, due to injury, etc.
@Joshua Certainly all of us need discipline, whether that's diet and exercise, or confessing and repenting of sin insead of rationalizing it. Our lack of discipline shows itself in many ways, but the lack of it in others is always way more apparent. I understand where you're coming from and it's a good point as far as it's true for any given person - it reminds of me of how Tozer said (paraphrase) that God would answer our prayers if we stopped using them as a substitute for obedience. On the other hand, I think it's important to remember how much energy a chronic condition can take from somebody, even if it appears easily preventable.
My position is that we should not be ashamed to get prayer, and we should not be ashamed if, in obedience, we suffer.
@Joseph Freedman As far as man's role, I tend to agree with you, but I want to continually submit myself to the word of God, if by it He may change my mind.
For me there is a tension in dealing with a chronic physical condition which I do not want to consider a friend, because I don't see God speaking of sin and suffering in that way - yet His providence does make it good to me. It's the conflicting desire to be made well and for God to continue to use whatever He wills for my sanctification.
@@patrickblend I hope you don't mind me butting in. I suffer with autoimmune disorders. Have for over 30 years. I'm sure I've prayed for healing, and at times prayed for the strength to carry on. But mostly just accept it, as you said, because I know God can heal me if He wants. And think therefore that since I still suffer, then this is His will for me. But, what if I'm not healed because I haven't prayed enough, don't have enough faith, don't have the right kind of faith, haven't asked enough times, or said the wrong words. I just don't know. Do you have any insight about this?
@@winniecash1654 First, anyone's advice here should be second place to that of your local church pastor/elders. If you don't have a relationships in your church where you can sit down face-to-face with people and receive instruction and encouragement, I strongly encourage you to seek that out that before anything else.
That said, it is better to be conformed to the image of Christ and bear the fruit of the Spirit than to be free from suffering. If God is working in your life this way, that should put those questions in perspective. Now God also gives us commands regarding sickness and petition. He tells us to have our elders pray for us. He wants us to come to Him and ask to be well. Just as God is pleased that you will submit your life to Him and suffer, He is also pleased that you come to Him as a child to a father and ASK him to fulfill your desires.
It can be hard to pray regularly for chronic illness. I've only been doing it for about 4 years, so I can only imagine 30. I try to remind myself that God does not tire of my (humble) requests - rather He is pleased and glorified that I come to Him that way. I consider it a form of worship. I hope this encourages you!
Patriarchs were providentially blessing and cursing in accordance with YHWH’s promises?
Agh!! I promise I wrote that before you said it 🤯
Aww... Miller's finally growing up to a real co-host
What about decreeing and declaring over ourselves in healing? I’ve been praying for years over this issue. I would, of course, in Jesus name.
That's a good question. We should keep it in mind for future Q&A episodes.
look what John 9:31 says about the sinners who pray to God.
It's ALL ABOUT FAITH. NOT WHAT THE PERSON ASKING FIR YHAT PERSON BEING HEALD
While perhaps not monolithic in scope, the presentation of "decreeing and declaring" is often expressed in a fashion that would usurp the authority (at least an attempt) of God and instead have it be the authority of man. All sense of creations coming before the Infinite and Almighty God of the universe who spoke and creation was is gone. Saldivar, White, Kerr (maybe not completely fair since she is crazy), and others do this stuff.
You cannot declare or ask for something God has already promised. You pray that you can believe to claim that promise. "Lord I believe, help thou my unbelief."
It says in the newtestament anathema Maranatha..that's serious if you know what that means. Lord have mercy ..lest we neglect truth. Ilove Jesus He is awesome alone when church es fail..
The title and topic are very interesting but the conversation is very disappointing.
We were all given authority and Dominion back after Christ had arisen one of the reasons the Lord tells you to watch what you're saying is because you do have dominion and authority. Even those that are in witchcraft know about speaking