I'll save someone the trouble since this isn't in the description. Upvote if you want people to see this list: 0:05 - 0:37 E1M1 - Metallica - No Remorse 0:38 - 1:08 E1M4 - Pantera - This Love 1:09 - 1:38 E2M1 - AC/DC - Big Gun 1:39 - 2:13 E2M2 - Metallica - Master of Puppets 2:14 - 2:29 E3M3 - Pantera - Regular People 2:30 - 2:54 E3M1 - Pantera - Mouth of War 2:55 - 3:14 E3M3 - Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross 3:15 - 3:35 E3M8 - Slayer - Silent Scream 3:36 - 4:12 D2M7 - Slayer - South of Heaven 4:13 - 4:40 D2M10 - Black Sabbath - After All (The Dead) 4:41 - 5:27 D2M18 - Pantera - This Love 5:28 - 5:59 D2M23 - Alice in Chains - Them Bones 6:00 - 6:33 D2M25 - Alice in Chains - Angry Chair 6:34 - 7:53 E2M1 - Metallica - Master of Puppets I just wrote the titles and timestamps that were mentioned within the video.
+Robin Powell Thanks for the heads up! I'm not the author of this video and I only wrote down the songs that the original poster of this video had mentioned (be they right or wrong). Just to save people some time. I didn't recognize even half of the songs myself, but I just wanted to help people out :)
They didn't steal the music, they were paying homage to it, genius... Besides, what's wrong with listening to iconic rock songs while killing hundreds of demons?
Cool can I make all of Metallica's songs with acoustic guitars and spoons for drums and sell a ton of albums and then when Metallica yells copyright I can say it's a tribute?
There is a limited number of melodies and rythm patterns you can use. In classical music there is a saying that 'Composer is not someone who invents themes'. The reason for this saying is that all possible themes were used by someone several times in history, so the only thing you can do is to 'borrow' them. However, the more advanced your music is, the more composition procedures like transposition, function progression, counterpoint, variations etc. you are able to use and shape to your ideas, the more original and complex composition you can make. Classical composers were notoriously borrowing themes from popular music for example, but because their compositions were complex, there was a huge difference between their work and pieces they took their themes from.
OMG! I can hardly believe this, Catch 22, but I just read your comment, absolutely loved it (because that is exactly how I feel about it, and was thinking of commenting basically the same thing), and guess what -I happen to have just started rereading Catch 22 two days ago (I read it in my early teens and loved it), and have been thinking and talking about the book all day! (besides re-playing DooM -the great stuff I grew up on).... Gee, I almost died when I saw your name! :D
After more than a year the video is back on youtube! It got removed do to ac/dc copyright claim, but it has been settled now and i’m really happy to be able to watch this video which i made 14 years ago. Enjoy…. Or don’t ;)
The Tusken Gentleman This. Even if the music was stolen, you can't argue it didn't immediately have a positive impact compared to a lot of music usage in days these days. They knew exactly how far to take it, in which direction, and how to lather it across the whole game like a fine buttered piece of toast where most games these days toss a single song in during a pivotal moment and call it a day. Doom didn't just make you like a song, it makes you love a genre, which is more than most games can claim now AND then.
It is true that the majority of the more "aggressive" songs on the DooM OST were indeed inspired by the songs of other artists. Bobby Prince is a bar certified lawyer, besides being a video game music composer, and, as such, knew how much of a song he could use without breaking laws. However, it should be noted that a very sizable portion of the soundtrack had no relation whatsoever to any other songs by other artists, notably, the ambient or "atmospheric" tracks like "The Imp's Song" and "Dark Halls". I like these videos, because it shows just where the score from doom originated, but to say that id Software "stole" the music is to miss the point entirely. Good video, man, put together very well.
Tim Woodacre Also, let's even say - for the sake of argument - that these were straight rips of those other songs. There's an old saying in the music biz: "good musicians borrow; great musicians steal."
@@IlPirataNobile Correction: great musicians steal in a way that you will never even realize that. Contrary to fakers, copycats, imitators and other forgettables.
It's not really stolen, I think their intentions were to replicate a lot of the sounds that teens were heard and loved at the time so they would enjoy the game.
Ken's theme from Street Fighter 2 - that's an example of something is not stolen, even thought it has a segment from a known song. This, on the other hand - is.
I first played Doom when I was 3 years old. Yes, three. Since the dawn of my existence I have been humming music from these games and it is so very fitting that now, at age 21, all the bands in this video are the very ones I hold in my favorites.
Kris Krummel Ah yup the Shareware disc. I remember when I was 11 and trying to get Doom working again, I ordered a copy off of Amazon, but when it came I realized it was the shareware and only had Knee Deep in the Dead, and oh man was I bummed (I also realized then why it was only a dollar, lol). Convinced my dad a few years later to buy the collectors edition that had I, II, and Final Doom. Good times man.
I just saw an awesome interview with Bobby Prince (the composer) about this very thing! He says that he created covers of these songs as temporary placeholders for other music he was composing for the game. He even wrote "DO NOT USE" in the file name. But since John Romero is a huge fan of these bands, he used them anyways. Some of Bobby's original songs got into the game, but most of them are these covers that were never supposed to be in the final version.
... dude, this video is now 10 years old. I didn't put any thoughts into this. The fact that the word 'stole' apparently has nominated me for an asshole award several times, is just - well, kinda justified... but on the other hand, silly. I learned the story of the music afterwards, and it's still up for entertaining purposes. Give it a rest, give me a rest - for what it is worth; sorry about the whole 'ID stole' thing :) 1Love
@@stopthrm why? He is RIGHT, yall are so fucking annoying, fanatism is an illnes, learn how the law works with copyright first, the pantera songs are 100% copied, that's not being inspired, if you don't have luck and you do that you end up paying a massive amount to the original band, that's literally STEALING
Well, according to DidYouKnowGaming (featuring Markiplier as the narrator), a fair amount of Id Software's music team were music lawyers, who knew how much they could get away with
because they can't just steal it and put it somewhere,it's mixed and there are som differences,but it's obvious that they really used those songs,just like in this video,listen to Doom2 Map 23 and the to Alice In Chains - Them Bones,it just almost the same,but not 100%,the same with Pantera-This Love so they've just picked the music,mixed it,added or removed some effects and this is the result :)
that hasnt been decided in a court of law so you cant say its not stealing for sure but you cant say they are stealing it either. if i was on the jury id go with guilty.
the non-musically inclined will have a ball believing the apparent plagiarism but will never understand that literally every kid jamming on a guitar will come up with these riffs and structures and think they have re-invented metal.
HAHAHA lawdy, that's a bold statement right there. The composer was very up front in stating Metallica, Slayer and Pantera strongly "influenced" his music at the time - he's proud to have written their music into his project. Do you really believe one guy sat down with his guitar and wrote all of Doom's music to be so shockingly similar to those famous metal tracks? All of them by himself, while being shut off from the genre he's accused of plagiarising? Love that you're having a go at the 'non-musically inclined' though, totally not contributing to the stereotype that us musicians are elitists ;)
It definitely seems like a mix of outright "homage" (melody, bass, and drum all sounding almost exactly identical to an existing metal song? Not likely to happen by coincidence), a few things that are "well, you'll eventually stumble on something similar if you're actively trying to stick in the metal genre" (like E3M3: the only thing it has in common with Regular People is that repeating guitar riff played at increasingly louder volume, which is... not very complicated), and some things that are kind of in between like E1M1: It doesn't actually sound all that much like No Remorse to me, but it's very clear (particularly when also compared to the segment of Master of Puppets played at the end of the video) that "At Doom's Gate" was meant to sound like Metallica.
+alex ojideagu Which is Sad But True, OHHHHHH DAYYYUM, super pun. Musicians know what inspirations is like. Which has been an on going thing since forever. The Dude who was known for Baroque is Unknown, same goes for the first blues/jazz musician, it's just... you know whatever. As long as a legacy continues and I see it as the most impacting as well, you don't know who did it, but he was there te case of the unknown soldier Music in most cases is very related to eachother. Timing is what you work with most of the time.
actually they didn't steal in fact they actually where using sound library's for their music and sound effects. they actually used some songs as inspiration and added some of the notes from the actual songs. they also combined those notes with some random other parts that went along nicely with the midi. although they did use some actual songs a few times most likely with permission. but anyway just saying
Exactly, no one would call me for thief either? Be happy because it is metal inspired Music. There's not an SuperMarioBros game with metal inspired Music,,,,
To all the people saying it wasn't stolen... Yeah, it was pretty stolen. They blatantly ripped off a ton of metal songs and never gave credit. That is called stealing.
I'm actually impressed with the sound designer gathering samples and inspiration from all these songs, and still making the soundtrack sound complete thematically. That beat and disharmonic "guitar" sound spans the songs inspired by metallica, pantera, slayer etc.
There's a difference between "stole" and "based it on". Many songs from DOOM II are like songs from the early Pink Floyd albums for example. Still, it's not the same.
marchrabbit85 Well it is actually spelled Cthulhu but they named the song that because in Lovecraft stuff every time you say or write the name Cthulhu he gets closer to waking up or something like that... I don't know if they actually believed it or what.
+Poopy Joe actually it has been proven that is it No remorse. Listen to the harmony of the E1M1 music (a version preferable done with guitars) and aside from a sustain and one note changed, the riffs are like 95% similar
Come on guys! A thumbs down because the poster used the word "stole." We all know it was a tribute which is why I gave it a thumbs up. And I'm e biggest Doom fan there is. I've been playing since day one when it was first shareware. Still playing to this day.
Actually the one who made the music for both doom games (Bobby Prince) made the music in a way without id software / doom / himself get in trouble by the music
bobby was given various rock/metal albums and told "take inspiration from these" he didn't steal anything, he's paying tribute. did any of these bands complain? no, so fuck you!
Bobby Prince was contracted by id software to do the music. He knew what could have passed for plagiarism and what wouldn't. None of these bands, to my knowledge, tried to sue ID software. Anyways, I think Aubrey Hodges' soundtrack much more. Creepy ambient tracks sound so much better than MIDI audio. sooo horribly dated.
Back in the early 90’s we didn’t have a bunch of copyrighted assholes trying to cash grab a few bucks off of people, they were happy to allow their influence all over. Now a days (CZcams being the biggest culprit) everyone’s trying to find a reason to sue and copystrike its sad
they didn't stole but just took inspiration and homage. John Romero was huge metal fan also the composer was Robert Prince and he was a lawyer before becoming a music composer, so he perfectly knows how copyright works and as far i rember under a precise count of notes, is not meant to be stolen and you can hear how they sound similar but not a copy.
90% of the comments here are biased. People are trying to justify apparent copying just by the fact that Doom was a great game. If say, artist hated by most of you (like David Guetta) would release a song with as much resemblance to your favorite artist's song as Doom tracks have to some classic metal anthems, you'd be butthurt to the death and marching on the streets. Doom was a great game, but the music was copied. Admitting it doesn't make you an idiot or a Doom hater. There is a very clear difference between drawing inspiration (=similar atmosphere) and copying (=similar notes).
Usumgallu your bottom part of your comment is very poorly thought out. id made a tribute to the beat of those music and actually got permission to use the music beat from various band groups
The music they made for the game had major INSPIRATIONS on the teams favorite bands and the music that would play over the radio while they made the game.
I always wondered why the intro guitar parts in Slayer's "South of Heaven" wasn't used in any Doom music. Not only is the music itself perfect for the atmosphere of the game, but the name is as well.
As for me, I will never believe that because of the fact that ID Software had their own sound designer (like Mick Gordon now) - Bobby Prince; and he was the person who created the soundtrack for DOOM, Ultimate DOOM and DOOM II: Hell On Earth (for all the levels and even the main menu theme). But I will believe that Bobby Prince listened to all of those songs before writing the soundtracks
The creators of Doom loved putting references in their games especially Doom. It's possible that some of the creators liked certain pieces of music and they made similar sounding soundtracks on certain levels as references or easter eggs. Again they loved people that stuff in there, like the Wolfenstein references in Doom2 or the Doom 1 reference in Doom3 with that arcade game easter egg or the refereneces to Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake in the game Rage (Also by ID Software but the only original person who worked in ID Software at the time was John Carmack who recently left ID Software)
they literally said that they took inspiration from the music off of the music they had in their office.. they didn't steal it, they remade it. and they made it well.
According to Copyright Infringement, they didn't not "steal" it. The comparisons don't last more than half a minute, and aren't the entire song itself. It's more like "Easter egg" than "stealing". I'm not hating on you, I think it's clever for you to find all of this, but I'm correcting you.
it's not stolen it's inspired, it's widely known that the doom soundtrack was inspired by bands like metallica,pantera,slayer,black sabbath and judas priest, there is a difference between stealing and taking inspiration in music that is already epic,and you know it resulted on one of the best soundtracks in video game history, and if you truly believe it's ''stolen'' then you are pretty naive. ''Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery''
Guys, the title is just meant for you to click on the video. I think the actual point of this video is to show you the songs that inspired the DOOM soundtrack. (I hope)
The one that alludes to saying it's from Metallica's Master of Puppets isn't referring to the actual song. The song they used for inspiration is "The call of cthulu" which is an instrumental track.
I'd think they probably paid more of a tribute to these songs rather than stole. Or it could be like what someone said; altercation juuuust enough so it could be considered "original". Stole would be more like having the actual song and not giving credit. Here it's kinda more or less "Knock off" and not really "Stealing"
I learned about pantera from your video about 10 years ago l, I mean I knew them but I mean you know what I mean
That is fucking awesome!
@@thomasriis1987 and he's still active, the fucking legend. keep ripping and tearing, big man
DOOM is a metal game that needed metal music to make the metal more metal!
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Matthias J. Déjà GEAR!!!!
Michał Jędrzejewski SOLID!!!!!!!!
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SirHattingtonIII 5!
0:58 is Rise, not This Love
1:56 is The Call of Ktulu, not Master of Puppets
+SSssssSSBOOM55 THANK YOU
Thank you men!
+SSssssSSBOOM55 At least someone notices, finally
I was looking for you
TheFruitMugger thank you
I'll save someone the trouble since this isn't in the description. Upvote if you want people to see this list:
0:05 - 0:37 E1M1 - Metallica - No Remorse
0:38 - 1:08 E1M4 - Pantera - This Love
1:09 - 1:38 E2M1 - AC/DC - Big Gun
1:39 - 2:13 E2M2 - Metallica - Master of Puppets
2:14 - 2:29 E3M3 - Pantera - Regular People
2:30 - 2:54 E3M1 - Pantera - Mouth of War
2:55 - 3:14 E3M3 - Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross
3:15 - 3:35 E3M8 - Slayer - Silent Scream
3:36 - 4:12 D2M7 - Slayer - South of Heaven
4:13 - 4:40 D2M10 - Black Sabbath - After All (The Dead)
4:41 - 5:27 D2M18 - Pantera - This Love
5:28 - 5:59 D2M23 - Alice in Chains - Them Bones
6:00 - 6:33 D2M25 - Alice in Chains - Angry Chair
6:34 - 7:53 E2M1 - Metallica - Master of Puppets
I just wrote the titles and timestamps that were mentioned within the video.
Actually e1m4 sounds like Rise by Pantera
and e2m2 sounds like The call of Ktulu by Metallica
+Ben Reese You're right, it's call of Chtulu, not Master of Puppets.
+Chertograad You missed D2M9 - Stone Temple Pilots - Sex Type Thing
+Robin Powell Thanks for the heads up! I'm not the author of this video and I only wrote down the songs that the original poster of this video had mentioned (be they right or wrong). Just to save people some time. I didn't recognize even half of the songs myself, but I just wanted to help people out :)
+Chertograad No problem. I should have checked your username before posting :P
They didn't steal the music, they were paying homage to it, genius... Besides, what's wrong with listening to iconic rock songs while killing hundreds of demons?
Yeah and it's awesome
I make maps for doom
Cool can I make all of Metallica's songs with acoustic guitars and spoons for drums and sell a ton of albums and then when Metallica yells copyright I can say it's a tribute?
Read the description, "genius."
There is a limited number of melodies and rythm patterns you can use.
In classical music there is a saying that 'Composer is not someone who invents themes'. The reason for this saying is that all possible themes were used by someone several times in history, so the only thing you can do is to 'borrow' them. However, the more advanced your music is, the more composition procedures like transposition, function progression, counterpoint, variations etc. you are able to use and shape to your ideas, the more original and complex composition you can make.
Classical composers were notoriously borrowing themes from popular music for example, but because their compositions were complex, there was a huge difference between their work and pieces they took their themes from.
You know what, it's id software, they might as well steal my lunch money, I no care I lov it.
ID Steals your lunch money, buys you Quake with it
Look by the bright side: Fiends are delicious! You only need to have 34793275897238592389723982375983725 security devices. :)
ID Software bought the rights to use the songs in their game however.
OMG! I can hardly believe this, Catch 22, but I just read your comment, absolutely loved it (because that is exactly how I feel about it, and was thinking of commenting basically the same thing), and guess what -I happen to have just started rereading Catch 22 two days ago (I read it in my early teens and loved it), and have been thinking and talking about the book all day! (besides re-playing DooM -the great stuff I grew up on)....
Gee, I almost died when I saw your name! :D
Why are u saying STOLE ? It's awesome that their soundtrack is inspired by great metal songs.
Yeah inspired otherwise trust me they would have payed the price and DOOM would have never came out on the shelves.
the only one i detected was No Remorse
Its not their fault, they werent the ones composing the music.
+Rick Deckard - Chaîne Vidéo considering it started as shareware... you couldn't have stopped it
sampled
1:54-2:12 That isn't Master of Puppets!
Sup fellow philloseraptor
InterTrym99 just philosorapting. How about you?
Bulldozer Teen same here
The Call of Ktulu
Trent Lyman thank you for that clarification
After more than a year the video is back on youtube! It got removed do to ac/dc copyright claim, but it has been settled now and i’m really happy to be able to watch this video which i made 14 years ago. Enjoy…. Or don’t ;)
Yes... Thanks this wasnt deleted! Amazing video mate, been 16 years but I enjoyed it today. Doom and ID are goats!
0:05 - 0:37 E1M1. Metallica - No Remorse
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0:38 - 1:08 E1M4. Pantera - Rise.
1:09 - 1:38 E2M1. AC/DC - Big Gun
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1:39 - 2:13 E2M2. Metallica - Call of Ktulu.
2:14 - 2:29 E3M3. Pantera - Regular People.
2:30 - 2:54 E3M1. Pantera - Mouth of War
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2:55 - 3:14 E3M3. Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross.
3:15 - 3:35 E3M8. Slayer - Silent Scream
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3:36 - 4:12 D2M7. Slayer - South of Heaven
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4:13 - 4:40 D2M10. Black Sabbath - After All (The Dead).
4:41 - 5:27 D2M18. Pantera - This Love
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5:28 - 5:59 D2M23. Alice in Chains - Them Bones.
6:00 - 6:33 D2M25. Alice in Chains - Angry Chair
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6:34 - 7:53 E2M1. Metallica - Master of Puppets.
Its not a ripoff, its a..... riff off xD
Nice.
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I like you already
Stolen or not, it was still awesome! Doom's soundtrack got me into metal during my formative years.
The Tusken Gentleman This.
Even if the music was stolen, you can't argue it didn't immediately have a positive impact compared to a lot of music usage in days these days.
They knew exactly how far to take it, in which direction, and how to lather it across the whole game like a fine buttered piece of toast where most games these days toss a single song in during a pivotal moment and call it a day.
Doom didn't just make you like a song, it makes you love a genre, which is more than most games can claim now AND then.
It is true that the majority of the more "aggressive" songs on the DooM OST were indeed inspired by the songs of other artists. Bobby Prince is a bar certified lawyer, besides being a video game music composer, and, as such, knew how much of a song he could use without breaking laws. However, it should be noted that a very sizable portion of the soundtrack had no relation whatsoever to any other songs by other artists, notably, the ambient or "atmospheric" tracks like "The Imp's Song" and "Dark Halls". I like these videos, because it shows just where the score from doom originated, but to say that id Software "stole" the music is to miss the point entirely. Good video, man, put together very well.
I remember Led Zeppelin ' Dazed and Confused being in there and I think a few other Zep songs.
Tim Woodacre Also, let's even say - for the sake of argument - that these were straight rips of those other songs. There's an old saying in the music biz: "good musicians borrow; great musicians steal."
@@IlPirataNobile Correction: great musicians steal in a way that you
will never even realize that. Contrary to fakers, copycats, imitators
and other forgettables.
They technically stole the riffs, not the music. Big difference.
It's still plagiarism.
It's not really stolen, I think their intentions were to replicate a lot of the sounds that teens were heard and loved at the time so they would enjoy the game.
Ken's theme from Street Fighter 2 - that's an example of something is not stolen,
even thought it has a segment from a known song. This, on the other hand - is.
2:06 that's not Master of Puppets. It's Call of Ktulu.
That says pretty much all you need to know about this vid
>ID used Stolen Music
>Using Stolen Footage
Ya okay buddy
Dude, it was le joke
Sure
@kite man stop
Oh yeah yeah
I first played Doom when I was 3 years old. Yes, three. Since the dawn of my existence I have been humming music from these games and it is so very fitting that now, at age 21, all the bands in this video are the very ones I hold in my favorites.
+Derek JCG You beat me by a year. Got a shareware of DooM in 94 when I was... 4.
Kris Krummel Ah yup the Shareware disc. I remember when I was 11 and trying to get Doom working again, I ordered a copy off of Amazon, but when it came I realized it was the shareware and only had Knee Deep in the Dead, and oh man was I bummed (I also realized then why it was only a dollar, lol).
Convinced my dad a few years later to buy the collectors edition that had I, II, and Final Doom. Good times man.
So good. Now I have an ID Soft collection growing on Steam. It was basically the only way to be able to play Quake 4 again thanks to that damn CD Key.
Kris Krummel Yup, I have over 80 hours in Doom BFG, since that old collectors edition stopped working after Windows XP
Just grabbed it on sale yesterday. Seems like they keep having personally relevant sales. Got all these old games I love now. And they all work!
I knew it, but it makes the game even more awesome !
Oh come on... 780 dislikes just because he used the word "stole"? I really liked the comparisons.
+FlashheadX Well, is a strong word don't you think? It has a very negative connotation.
i disliked looped blurry footage more than the mistakes etc.
Also because he sucks at naming songs
I just saw an awesome interview with Bobby Prince (the composer) about this very thing! He says that he created covers of these songs as temporary placeholders for other music he was composing for the game. He even wrote "DO NOT USE" in the file name. But since John Romero is a huge fan of these bands, he used them anyways. Some of Bobby's original songs got into the game, but most of them are these covers that were never supposed to be in the final version.
wow, interesting, i didn't know that
episode 3 level 1 music is called Mouth for War, so it is kind of obvious lol
I don't think you know what "stole" means.
... dude, this video is now 10 years old. I didn't put any thoughts into this. The fact that the word 'stole' apparently has nominated me for an asshole award several times, is just - well, kinda justified... but on the other hand, silly.
I learned the story of the music afterwards, and it's still up for entertaining purposes. Give it a rest, give me a rest - for what it is worth; sorry about the whole 'ID stole' thing :)
1Love
Then why don't you change the title of the video?
take this video down
this video fucking suuuucks
@@stopthrm why? He is RIGHT, yall are so fucking annoying, fanatism is an illnes, learn how the law works with copyright first, the pantera songs are 100% copied, that's not being inspired, if you don't have luck and you do that you end up paying a massive amount to the original band, that's literally STEALING
"Bobby Prince was a lawyer before he was a musician. He knew the legal amount of sampling that he could do without getting into trouble." -John Romero
17 years later, and CZcams still recommends it
bro, id software dont stole music, this team made a tribute for his favorites songs from the real music, METAL
It's not a tribute, those are plain old MIDI covers most of the time.
+AstralStorm and these was just to attract metalhead.
Well, according to DidYouKnowGaming (featuring Markiplier as the narrator), a fair amount of Id Software's music team were music lawyers, who knew how much they could get away with
yes staplegun , the creator of these song was indeed an lawyer . he knew how much song he could sample without problems .
JeffTheQc Still, to the legally untrained ear, some of this stuff can seem pretty egregious
This is far from stealing. The tempo is similar, but the overall sound doesn't even come close.
because they can't just steal it and put it somewhere,it's mixed and there are som differences,but it's obvious that they really used those songs,just like in this video,listen to Doom2 Map 23 and the to Alice In Chains - Them Bones,it just almost the same,but not 100%,the same with Pantera-This Love
so they've just picked the music,mixed it,added or removed some effects and this is the result :)
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Come on, E3L1 (2:30) is blatant stealing.
that hasnt been decided in a court of law so you cant say its not stealing for sure but you cant say they are stealing it either. if i was on the jury id go with guilty.
come on, the notes sounded similar (not saying they stole tho)
the non-musically inclined will have a ball believing the apparent plagiarism but will never understand that literally every kid jamming on a guitar will come up with these riffs and structures and think they have re-invented metal.
+Andy Is that why rock is dead now?
HAHAHA lawdy, that's a bold statement right there. The composer was very up front in stating Metallica, Slayer and Pantera strongly "influenced" his music at the time - he's proud to have written their music into his project. Do you really believe one guy sat down with his guitar and wrote all of Doom's music to be so shockingly similar to those famous metal tracks? All of them by himself, while being shut off from the genre he's accused of plagiarising? Love that you're having a go at the 'non-musically inclined' though, totally not contributing to the stereotype that us musicians are elitists ;)
This is true, everything has already been done to some extent, thats what creates genres and stereotypes regardless of what the fanboys say.
It definitely seems like a mix of outright "homage" (melody, bass, and drum all sounding almost exactly identical to an existing metal song? Not likely to happen by coincidence), a few things that are "well, you'll eventually stumble on something similar if you're actively trying to stick in the metal genre" (like E3M3: the only thing it has in common with Regular People is that repeating guitar riff played at increasingly louder volume, which is... not very complicated), and some things that are kind of in between like E1M1: It doesn't actually sound all that much like No Remorse to me, but it's very clear (particularly when also compared to the segment of Master of Puppets played at the end of the video) that "At Doom's Gate" was meant to sound like Metallica.
the problem is that some of doom's tracks don't just borrow riffs, but use the entire song ex: bye bye American pie
Man you're really in the minority if you read the descriptions huh?
... This wasn't even close to stealing at all, maybe closer to using the same beat but not the same thing > - >
The first tune which is often related to Metallica's No Remorse also bears a striking resemblance to Slayer's Behind The Crooked Cross.
This comment may be 14 years old, but do you remember what you were smoking when you commented it?
That´s not stolen... that´s inspired. In my opinion, stealing would be an exact copy of the music.
+Stuart Graham Actually a song doesn't have to be an exact copy to be sued and lose in court
+alex ojideagu Which is Sad But True, OHHHHHH DAYYYUM, super pun. Musicians know what inspirations is like. Which has been an on going thing since forever. The Dude who was known for Baroque is Unknown, same goes for the first blues/jazz musician, it's just... you know whatever. As long as a legacy continues and I see it as the most impacting as well, you don't know who did it, but he was there te case of the unknown soldier Music in most cases is very related to eachother. Timing is what you work with most of the time.
+Stuart Graham the law's opinion is different from yours
So like 50% of chart music at the moment?
+alex ojideagu Bobby Prince was a lawyer. He knew how much music he could use without being sued.
actually they didn't steal in fact they actually where using sound library's for their music and sound effects. they actually used some songs as inspiration and added some of the notes from the actual songs. they also combined those notes with some random other parts that went along nicely with the midi. although they did use some actual songs a few times most likely with permission. but anyway just saying
Exactly, no one would call me for thief either? Be happy because it is metal inspired Music. There's not an SuperMarioBros game with metal inspired Music,,,,
@tolvfen actually there are some mario songs inspired by metal
To all the people saying it wasn't stolen... Yeah, it was pretty stolen. They blatantly ripped off a ton of metal songs and never gave credit. That is called stealing.
another proof that Doom is the most metal game ever.
That's call of ktulu not master of puppets
go away That's obviously MoP.
Coltallic The video did make a mistake at 1:56
I'm actually impressed with the sound designer gathering samples and inspiration from all these songs, and still making the soundtrack sound complete thematically. That beat and disharmonic "guitar" sound spans the songs inspired by metallica, pantera, slayer etc.
There's a difference between "stole" and "based it on". Many songs from DOOM II are like songs from the early Pink Floyd albums for example. Still, it's not the same.
some of these are awfully wrong
Hey, you wanna know what other game stole real life music?
Sonic The Hedgehog 2.
That's nothing, Earthbound at times outright SAMPLED real life music.
You'll never hear The Beach Boys the same way again lol.
Daaaaaay dre!
Which one? I'm really curious now XD
+alicizmar I'd play the game, if the ants weren't so FUCKING creepy. o_e
You mean streets of rage 2 maybe?
Sonic 2's music was written by the same person who wrote the songs it "stole".
2:00 WROOONG!!!! It was Call of Cthulhu
WROOONG! It's Call of Ktulu!
Alexandro Holzgang Thanks, mate. My grammar is killing me
marchrabbit85 Well it is actually spelled Cthulhu but they named the song that because in Lovecraft stuff every time you say or write the name Cthulhu he gets closer to waking up or something like that... I don't know if they actually believed it or what.
Hey, you're one of the few who knows E1M1 is No Remorse!
+HowDoUPlay It's easy to mistake it for Behind the Crooked Cross, Master of Puppets or Painkiller. They all use a similar riff.
+Poopy Joe actually it has been proven that is it No remorse. Listen to the harmony of the E1M1 music (a version preferable done with guitars) and aside from a sustain and one note changed, the riffs are like 95% similar
Poopy Joe You forgot the beginning of D.R.I. - Hooked. It's just the first few notes, but it almost sounds identical.
Metallica is so overrated
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You aint wasting my time ;)
@@thomasriis1987 oh mah gah!
Fun fact: The composer was a lawyer himself so he knew how much copying he could get away with.
Come on guys! A thumbs down because the poster used the word "stole." We all know it was a tribute which is why I gave it a thumbs up. And I'm e biggest Doom fan there is. I've been playing since day one when it was first shareware. Still playing to this day.
WHAT!? all those 90s FPS got their music from metal bands?! I don't believe it.
O.o
ID stole their music just as much as you did while making this video.
best comment ever !
>stolen
>bands actually came to id asking them to use their music
Source
Actually the one who made the music for both doom games (Bobby Prince) made the music in a way without id software / doom / himself get in trouble by the music
actually it was 100% stolen, if yall dont believe me look at Bobby"s interview
ID Software didn't steal music. They just based it off those songs.
Bobby Prince used to be a lawyer, so he knew how much of a song he could use without getting into legal problems.
The travesty here is the gameplay WITH A FUCKING CONTROLLER. Play this shit on PC.
Because, the movement is too stiff and there's no center strafing guided on a single focal point, there's turns and side to side strafing
only.
real men play on nightmare with a mouse
Maybe he's playing it with the keyboard? That's how I play it sometimes.
It's GameTrailers' footage anyway.
nope :p
he moves by arrow keys
is it 90-s? :D
bobby was given various rock/metal albums and told "take inspiration from these" he didn't steal anything, he's paying tribute. did any of these bands complain? no, so fuck you!
ID software could steal my shit and make diamond turds of it, they make stuff better
1:56 That's not Master of Puppets, it's not even from that album... That's Call of Ktulu from Ride The Lighting...
Fun Fact: E2M1 Actually Started Out As A MIDI Cover Of Big Gun Before Being Turned Into The Song We All Know And Love!
Actually it was sampled from "No Remorse" but since most Metallica songs sound the same who can really tell.
GalaticTG hehe
Bobby Prince was contracted by id software to do the music. He knew what could have passed for plagiarism and what wouldn't. None of these bands, to my knowledge, tried to sue ID software.
Anyways, I think Aubrey Hodges' soundtrack much more. Creepy ambient tracks sound so much better than MIDI audio. sooo horribly dated.
1:00 This Love from Pantera? You mean Rise from the same album (Vulgar Display of Power)?
Jonah Reyes ikr right? I was like oh yeah this is rise!! The I saw This Love and i was like o.O
Back in the early 90’s we didn’t have a bunch of copyrighted assholes trying to cash grab a few bucks off of people, they were happy to allow their influence all over. Now a days (CZcams being the biggest culprit) everyone’s trying to find a reason to sue and copystrike its sad
The first song on E1M1 is like
White Skull - Spy
they didn't stole but just took inspiration and homage. John Romero was huge metal fan also the composer was Robert Prince and he was a lawyer before becoming a music composer, so he perfectly knows how copyright works and as far i rember under a precise count of notes, is not meant to be stolen and you can hear how they sound similar but not a copy.
E1L4 was Pantera - Rise
not This Love
ID SOFTWARE TOOK INSPIRATION***
Is not "This Love" from Pantera, is "Rise"
The composer for Doom's music was a lawyer, so he knew how much he could "steal".
sweet makes me love doom even more
Nice try dislikers, it have 666 dislikes.. DooM Ftw!
DOOM VERSION IS BETTER ANYWAY HUE HUE HUE
XD ok!
He has a really fucking good point
The Alice In Chains - Them Bones is somewhat better in Doom indeed lol
They had a legal guy who was working with ID back then, he knew just how much they could "steal" before having some trouble.
E3M8 is more inspired by Stormtroopers of Death's "Sargent D and the S.O.D."
The Doom versions are BETTER.
Yes, the 3D0 had the best music. A pity about the problems with that version though.
Doom Music FTW
Guess what, still plagiarism.
PATRiCKFBi MetalHead You gotta be kidding me, it's so far from plagerism it's blinding.
e1m1 is judas priest painkiller....... -_-
its very clearly no remorse
John Carmack says otherwise
Princess Scarlet Except it isn't. Prince said it was based on No Remorse
90% of the comments here are biased. People are trying to justify apparent copying just by the fact that Doom was a great game.
If say, artist hated by most of you (like David Guetta) would release a song with as much resemblance to your favorite artist's song as Doom tracks have to some classic metal anthems, you'd be butthurt to the death and marching on the streets.
Doom was a great game, but the music was copied. Admitting it doesn't make you an idiot or a Doom hater. There is a very clear difference between drawing inspiration (=similar atmosphere) and copying (=similar notes).
Usumgallu >wehn u dont know wot homage
Usumgallu your bottom part of your comment is very poorly thought out. id made a tribute to the beat of those music and actually got permission to use the music beat from various band groups
Usumgallu I'd like to point out that Bobby Prince was a lawyer and new what he could get away with. This are most likely homages
The word "sampled" is a better description than "stolen".
How can the uploader mistake Orion with master of puppets? They sound nothing alike. Sure Orion was on the Master of puppets album, but that's sad.
id stole music; so? who cares?
Another reason I prefer PSX Doom's music. Not only is it terrifying, it's original.
The music they made for the game had major INSPIRATIONS on the teams favorite bands and the music that would play over the radio while they made the game.
I always wondered why the intro guitar parts in Slayer's "South of Heaven" wasn't used in any Doom music. Not only is the music itself perfect for the atmosphere of the game, but the name is as well.
This video is 10 years old. How was this recommended to me?
CZcams, fix your algorithm!
"Mother 3 can't be localized because of the music" (is referring to the Moon Channel video)
DOOM in 1993:
As for me, I will never believe that because of the fact that ID Software had their own sound designer (like Mick Gordon now) - Bobby Prince; and he was the person who created the soundtrack for DOOM, Ultimate DOOM and DOOM II: Hell On Earth (for all the levels and even the main menu theme). But I will believe that Bobby Prince listened to all of those songs before writing the soundtracks
The creators of Doom loved putting references in their games especially Doom. It's possible that some of the creators liked certain pieces of music and they made similar sounding soundtracks on certain levels as references or easter eggs. Again they loved people that stuff in there, like the Wolfenstein references in Doom2 or the Doom 1 reference in Doom3 with that arcade game easter egg or the refereneces to Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake in the game Rage (Also by ID Software but the only original person who worked in ID Software at the time was John Carmack who recently left ID Software)
Despite what anyone says, Doom's tracks were supposed to be "homages" to those pieces.
they literally said that they took inspiration from the music off of the music they had in their office.. they didn't steal it, they remade it. and they made it well.
If it was stolen the game wouldn't be made
According to Copyright Infringement, they didn't not "steal" it. The comparisons don't last more than half a minute, and aren't the entire song itself. It's more like "Easter egg" than "stealing". I'm not hating on you, I think it's clever for you to find all of this, but I'm correcting you.
it's not stolen it's inspired, it's widely known that the doom soundtrack was inspired by bands like metallica,pantera,slayer,black sabbath and judas priest, there is a difference between stealing and taking inspiration in music that is already epic,and you know it resulted on one of the best soundtracks in video game history, and if you truly believe it's ''stolen'' then you are pretty naive.
''Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery''
E1M1 was actually inspired by "master of puppets"
Great job dude ! I am sure "Little 15" by Depeche Mode (not metal of course) was also in an episode of Doom, but i don't remember in which one.
Guys, the title is just meant for you to click on the video. I think the actual point of this video is to show you the songs that inspired the DOOM soundtrack. (I hope)
apparently the composer trained to be a lawyer thus knew how similar a song can sound before it could be "stealing"
This has built up my interest for music when I was younger.
The one that alludes to saying it's from Metallica's Master of Puppets isn't referring to the actual song. The song they used for inspiration is "The call of cthulu" which is an instrumental track.
Music from first level is similar Judas Priest - Painkiller
Well if you wanna get specific they asked if they could use there music pieces within the game, so really they never stole anything.
I'd think they probably paid more of a tribute to these songs rather than stole.
Or it could be like what someone said; altercation juuuust enough so it could be considered "original".
Stole would be more like having the actual song and not giving credit. Here it's kinda more or less "Knock off" and not really "Stealing"
calm down guys, it's pretty cool to hear these tracks all compared side by side. some of them are really a stretch, though.
Doom 1, e1m1 is "Dirty Money" by Savage (album Loose n Lethal, 1983)
it also sounds just like Behind the crooked cross by Slayer
E1M4 is a remix of Pantera "Rise" not "This love"