Just discovered this channel. Definitely a higher class of tuition with absolutely no breathless shouting at the viewer/learner. Cool. Thanks. I also think it is good to practise hand held approximations to nodal shooting
Hudson, Thanks for the updated no-parallax pdf. I worked out no-parallax settings on all the lenses I might use for panos and my numbers were within 1-2mm of yours. My LRP-3 was probably at 49 instead of 50. Tough to see. I found it interesting how the 14-30 f4S goes 140-138-134-132-134! My measurements were 139-136-132-131-131. I do have a question about the 24-120 f4S. Your setting is 130 for all focal lengths. I find that very interesting. My copy measured from 137 @ 24mm to 120 @120mm. I have to say this lens was very tough to measure as the differences were in fact very minor. I tried 130 and zoomed in and out and could see a tiny amount of parallax but maybe I'm being too picky-it was very subtle. It's a fun project and thank you for sharing your results. Nice to know I did a good job on my kit. Finally, I really enjoyed your advanced panorama videos. I bought them when you published the first no-parallax video. I even bought the tilting rail setup by bashing some Sunway rails and clamps. I think you described that setup in the first video. Works fine and no need for the RSS version. I agree-not used very often, but I like whipping it out in public-always questions! Thanks, Maris
Hi Hudson, As always, a very informative video. Thanks very much for updating the nodal points pdf for the new Nikon Z9 camera with the various Z lenses. Since I was doing panos for the first time your previous video were very helpful. My initial readings were quite close, just off by 2 to 3. I am using my Z9 on the same Manfrotto fluid head (you recommend) mounted on a Gitzo 3543LS tripod with the Kirk LRP-3 rail. Using the fluid head has made my wildlife photography a breeze and much more comfortable than using my previous Markins Q3 ball head. Thank you once again. Best Regards, Yezdi
Hi Hudson Great informative video from you. Your panoramic course is really recommendable with lots of valuable tips. Helped me a lot so far. More often I use the drone from Dji Mavic 2 Pro to take panoramas with more flexibility to position the drone where I want to take the shots from above the ground. Regards Daniel
This might be a dumb question, but so I'm clear, on your "Panorama No Parallax Point Measures" pdf, I should use the literal mm markings on the rail and not add 10mm?
As long as you're using the LRP-3 from Kirk, then yes. Just use the markings. They're not metric, it's another engineering scale, but yes just use the markings. :)
Thanks for the updates as I was one of the folks asking for the measurements for the new lenses. I got my RRS rail from BH Photo after waiting for months. RRS does inform me that there will be a new rail coming out in a few weeks. Not sure if it will be the smaller or larger one.
Hi Hudson, just downloaded your great NPP Sheet - I just don't get it with the Z100-400. Where do you mount this? "No foot" means, you attach the cameras Arca-Plate to the Kirk RLP3? Can vou update the chart for the Z8 - or are the measures the same as the Z9? Thank you and happy Xmas from germany! Ralph
Yep, use the L-bracket. The foot has no markings. I really am not using nodal measurements these days. Lightroom Classic's Pano engine is so good now. I just set near the center of the lens over the axis of rotation and pan and tilt with the fluid head or Acratech pano head.
Hi Everyone, I found this channel about a month ago and it's my most viewed so far. Lots of great information here. All my tripods/heads are Manfrotto. Until I'm completely sure, panos are what I'd like to do, I've for now, purchased an l-bracket, conversion head for my Manfrotto heads and all the base plates I need for my bigger lens. Also bought a QD adapter to add to my Black Rapid strap. Are there any Canon users here? As Henry is mostly a Nikon Z shooter, I see most people here are Nikon as well. If there are any Canon users here, does anyone have nodal measurements for the 5D MKIII?
Is it possible for the lens manufacturers to mark the No-Parallax point on the lens? The rail you use is marked in increments of ten. I clicked on the link for the rail you use and the rail was marked from 1 to 15. I use a Really Right Stuff rail which is almost identical to the one you use. It is marked from 1-18. For my Nikon 24-120mm Z lens it says to mount it at 50. Is 5 the same as 50?
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Oh wow! Thanks for the quick reply! I ask because I already have the Macro Rail and didn't want to have to purchase another rail! Thanks Again!!
Hey Hudson, wondering, is there a reason you don’t use the APS-C bodies for panoramas or include them in your no-parallax measures, specifically the Z 50? Also, GENIUS on the Z 9 with the PG-01. We communicated about this via email a couple months ago and at the time we said it wouldn’t really work but obviously inverting the top rail and using the LRP-3 … *chef’s kiss* to you or whoever figured that out! Thanks for the updated measurements, received notice via your email distributions to folks who purchased your course and/or downloaded the measurements through your site. Continue to be impressed by the things you provide for free or update for free so I always try to support you through other means whenever I can. Thanks and keep the good stuff coming!
Thanks! OK, I'll do the Z50 with kit lenses and small primes. I was considering it, but not sure about demand. Stay tuned and thanks for all the kind words and support. Means a lot!
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Excellent, certainly appreciated and will look forward to them whenever they’re available! Hope you and the family are all doing well and looking forward to gearing up for what I consider the best season of the year, Fall 😊
Nice thanks! When you compare the 400mm prime to the zoom, could you include a very distant mountain please? I saw one guy suggest that the zoom is not really sharp at infinity, although I suspect he didn’t bother with his VR button on his tripod. Thanks.
I've shot infinity with both lenses and it's razor. The moon for example is pretty epic. You don't need to worry about VR on tripods these days. The cameras and lenses are smarter than that now. V1 yes, V2 maybe. These days, never.
Great Content! I noticed that you did not mention ON1 when you were talking about merging photos for a panorama. Have you found that their software does not handle parallax well? Thanks
Thanks for the video into one of the great mysteries of panoramas. One question pls. Would the settings described in your free download also apply to the Novoflex panorama rail. It seems to me that whatever brand is used the parallax measurements must be the same. Cheers.
Hi Hudson. Have you ever shot bracketed panoramas or used the move shoot move for panoramic night skies. I could see one could create some massive files and complicated setups. Lots of fun stuff
HDR panos you bet. No issue at all. In fact, lightroom has a merge to HDR pano right click option. I used to do them tediously before that was automated. Feels like cheating now. I'd never do a pano with the star tracker. I've done night panos with overlapped long exposures like the Milky Way over Saint Helens in this video, but now I'd capture each frame stacked at 14mm overlapping. You'd need no more than 7-10 frames. Keep some landscape in every frame for the software to merge. Run each stack in sequator and then pano merge the result. Panos on a rotator are far more of a pain than it's worth to my mind.
I checked RRS. Most of their pano set-ups aren't being sold anymore for a while now. The compact shows out of stock but on B&H says out of stock, should arive in 2 weeks. Your not using the Kirk Bridge on your fluid head anymore?
Very helpful. I Am considering the LRP-3 for my Z7ii (with 5 Z lenses). In your new measurements PDF, for the Z 100-400 S lens, measurements stop at 200mm. Is parallax not an issue beyond 200 mm or are there measurements to use beyond 200mm ? thanks
I can't imagine doing panos with close and distant objects (where you'd be concerned with parallax) beyond 200mm. :) I've shot 800mm panos, but only of a very distant scene with no parallax concerns. I think it's rare you need parallax measures beyond 100mm in reality. Depth of field becomes such an issue.
Hi would it be possible to measure or mark the no parallax point on the lens and then move the rail to suit when tilting the camera eliminating the need for the multi rail?
The adjustable rail is designed to make short wide angle lenses work without having the rail itself in the frame, but then allowing you to slide back to work with a longer lens too. I don't see how marking the lens alleviates that at all...?
Hello, I do quite large structured panoramas, (1800-2700mm), and was wondering if you knew of any more modern alternatives to autopanogiga, as photoshop, hugin, and a few others I've tried seem to all cap out around either 4GB export size, adobes 30,000x30,000 limit, or some others with a 200,000x200,000 cap, to put things in perspective the one I'm working on now is about 3.6 Terapixel and due to how autogiga caches images instead of thumbnailing leads to me wishing for other software,
No I think you're pretty high and dry outside the specialty software with that rig. I mean 30k x 30k is 900MP which is more than I needed to do 30' wide prints for a trade show that looked great at eye level. I just think the demand for that is extremely low. CIA and super niche affecionados. There's not much money in pushing your software to that level. Demand is too low.
I was dissappointed to see you left the 24 / 200 off again..When did your first version you indicated you would update it the 24/200 any chance of that still happening
Hi David, I don't own or use that lens, but there's a link in this video's full description to a free video on how to find it for any lens and camera combo. :)
Just discovered this channel. Definitely a higher class of tuition with absolutely no breathless shouting at the viewer/learner. Cool. Thanks. I also think it is good to practise hand held approximations to nodal shooting
Hudson, Thanks for the updated no-parallax pdf. I worked out no-parallax settings on all the lenses I might use for panos and my numbers were within 1-2mm of yours. My LRP-3 was probably at 49 instead of 50. Tough to see.
I found it interesting how the 14-30 f4S goes 140-138-134-132-134! My measurements were 139-136-132-131-131.
I do have a question about the 24-120 f4S. Your setting is 130 for all focal lengths. I find that very interesting. My copy measured from 137 @ 24mm to 120 @120mm. I have to say this lens was very tough to measure as the differences were in fact very minor. I tried 130 and zoomed in and out and could see a tiny amount of parallax but maybe I'm being too picky-it was very subtle.
It's a fun project and thank you for sharing your results. Nice to know I did a good job on my kit.
Finally, I really enjoyed your advanced panorama videos. I bought them when you published the first no-parallax video. I even bought the tilting rail setup by bashing some Sunway rails and clamps. I think you described that setup in the first video. Works fine and no need for the RSS version. I agree-not used very often, but I like whipping it out in public-always questions!
Thanks, Maris
Hi Hudson,
As always, a very informative video. Thanks very much for updating the nodal points pdf for the new Nikon Z9 camera with the various Z lenses. Since I was doing panos for the first time your previous video were very helpful. My initial readings were quite close, just off by 2 to 3. I am using my Z9 on the same Manfrotto fluid head (you recommend) mounted on a Gitzo 3543LS tripod with the Kirk LRP-3 rail. Using the fluid head has made my wildlife photography a breeze and much more comfortable than using my previous Markins Q3 ball head. Thank you once again.
Best Regards, Yezdi
THANKS FOR THE LINK FOR THE NODLE RAIL MEASUREMENTS
As always, Great video and thank you for the updated new no parallax measurements. Had so much fun on the last workshop doing panoramas! Thx
Gary, it's always a joy to hang out with you my friend
Hi Hudson
Great informative video from you. Your panoramic course is really recommendable with lots of valuable tips. Helped me a lot so far. More often I use the drone from Dji Mavic 2 Pro to take panoramas with more flexibility to position the drone where I want to take the shots from above the ground.
Regards Daniel
This might be a dumb question, but so I'm clear, on your "Panorama No Parallax Point Measures" pdf, I should use the literal mm markings on the rail and not add 10mm?
As long as you're using the LRP-3 from Kirk, then yes. Just use the markings. They're not metric, it's another engineering scale, but yes just use the markings. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto thanks
Thanks for the updates as I was one of the folks asking for the measurements for the new lenses. I got my RRS rail from BH Photo after waiting for months. RRS does inform me that there will be a new rail coming out in a few weeks. Not sure if it will be the smaller or larger one.
Great info Hudson, thanks
Hi Hudson, just downloaded your great NPP Sheet - I just don't get it with the Z100-400. Where do you mount this? "No foot" means, you attach the cameras Arca-Plate to the Kirk RLP3?
Can vou update the chart for the Z8 - or are the measures the same as the Z9?
Thank you and happy Xmas from germany!
Ralph
Yep, use the L-bracket. The foot has no markings. I really am not using nodal measurements these days. Lightroom Classic's Pano engine is so good now. I just set near the center of the lens over the axis of rotation and pan and tilt with the fluid head or Acratech pano head.
Hi Everyone,
I found this channel about a month ago and it's my most viewed so far. Lots of great information here. All my tripods/heads are Manfrotto. Until I'm completely sure, panos are what I'd like to do, I've for now, purchased an l-bracket, conversion head for my Manfrotto heads and all the base plates I need for my bigger lens. Also bought a QD adapter to add to my Black Rapid strap.
Are there any Canon users here?
As Henry is mostly a Nikon Z shooter, I see most people here are Nikon as well. If there are any Canon users here, does anyone have nodal measurements for the 5D MKIII?
Is it possible for the lens manufacturers to mark the No-Parallax point on the lens? The rail you use is marked in increments of ten. I clicked on the link for the rail you use and the rail was marked from 1 to 15. I use a Really Right Stuff rail which is almost identical to the one you use. It is marked from 1-18. For my Nikon 24-120mm Z lens it says to mount it at 50. Is 5 the same as 50?
Yes, but it won't translate to RRS sadly. It's only for the Kirk adjustable LRP-3
great video! thank you again
Could I use the Neewer Macro Focus Rail as a parallax nodal rail? It does basically the same thing.
You could. It's clunkier, but it'll work
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Oh wow! Thanks for the quick reply! I ask because I already have the Macro Rail and didn't want to have to purchase another rail! Thanks Again!!
Hey Hudson, wondering, is there a reason you don’t use the APS-C bodies for panoramas or include them in your no-parallax measures, specifically the Z 50?
Also, GENIUS on the Z 9 with the PG-01. We communicated about this via email a couple months ago and at the time we said it wouldn’t really work but obviously inverting the top rail and using the LRP-3 … *chef’s kiss* to you or whoever figured that out!
Thanks for the updated measurements, received notice via your email distributions to folks who purchased your course and/or downloaded the measurements through your site. Continue to be impressed by the things you provide for free or update for free so I always try to support you through other means whenever I can. Thanks and keep the good stuff coming!
Thanks! OK, I'll do the Z50 with kit lenses and small primes. I was considering it, but not sure about demand. Stay tuned and thanks for all the kind words and support. Means a lot!
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Excellent, certainly appreciated and will look forward to them whenever they’re available!
Hope you and the family are all doing well and looking forward to gearing up for what I consider the best season of the year, Fall 😊
Nice thanks! When you compare the 400mm prime to the zoom, could you include a very distant mountain please? I saw one guy suggest that the zoom is not really sharp at infinity, although I suspect he didn’t bother with his VR button on his tripod. Thanks.
I've shot infinity with both lenses and it's razor. The moon for example is pretty epic. You don't need to worry about VR on tripods these days. The cameras and lenses are smarter than that now. V1 yes, V2 maybe. These days, never.
Great update on Panos. You mentioned lightroom and Photoshop for the pano merger. What is your opinion on ON1's pano merger? are they keeping up?
Short answer sadly is no.
Great Content! I noticed that you did not mention ON1 when you were talking about merging photos for a panorama. Have you found that their software does not handle parallax well?
Thanks
It's not on the same level, but it works well with straightforward simple panos.
Thanks for the video into one of the great mysteries of panoramas. One question pls. Would the settings described in your free download also apply to the Novoflex panorama rail. It seems to me that whatever brand is used the parallax measurements must be the same. Cheers.
Nope, each is different sadly.
Hi Hudson. Have you ever shot bracketed panoramas or used the move shoot move for panoramic night skies. I could see one could create some massive files and complicated setups. Lots of fun stuff
HDR panos you bet. No issue at all. In fact, lightroom has a merge to HDR pano right click option. I used to do them tediously before that was automated. Feels like cheating now.
I'd never do a pano with the star tracker. I've done night panos with overlapped long exposures like the Milky Way over Saint Helens in this video, but now I'd capture each frame stacked at 14mm overlapping. You'd need no more than 7-10 frames. Keep some landscape in every frame for the software to merge. Run each stack in sequator and then pano merge the result. Panos on a rotator are far more of a pain than it's worth to my mind.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto thanks. Great tip to use stacking
Will you be updating your nodal document for the z8? Asking for a friend.
No, sadly I'm sending it back before Kirk got the L-bracket finished that I'd need for that.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Drat! I guess I’ll have to actually do something myself!
So you decided not to keep your Z8? If so may I ask why? @@HudsonHenryPhoto
I checked RRS. Most of their pano set-ups aren't being sold anymore for a while now. The compact shows out of stock but on B&H says out of stock, should arive in 2 weeks. Your not using the Kirk Bridge on your fluid head anymore?
I am using it still and was in this very video. :)
Very helpful. I Am considering the LRP-3 for my Z7ii (with 5 Z lenses). In your new measurements PDF, for the Z 100-400 S lens, measurements stop at 200mm. Is parallax not an issue beyond 200 mm or are there measurements to use beyond 200mm ? thanks
I can't imagine doing panos with close and distant objects (where you'd be concerned with parallax) beyond 200mm. :) I've shot 800mm panos, but only of a very distant scene with no parallax concerns. I think it's rare you need parallax measures beyond 100mm in reality. Depth of field becomes such an issue.
You'll love the lrp3 :)
Hi would it be possible to measure or mark the no parallax point on the lens and then move the rail to suit when tilting the camera eliminating the need for the multi rail?
The adjustable rail is designed to make short wide angle lenses work without having the rail itself in the frame, but then allowing you to slide back to work with a longer lens too. I don't see how marking the lens alleviates that at all...?
What are your thoughts on the Panorama function in ON1?
That it needs some updates to be honest. It works in simple, straightforward situations though.
I’ve noticed Lightroom doing a better job lately.
Hello, I do quite large structured panoramas, (1800-2700mm), and was wondering if you knew of any more modern alternatives to autopanogiga, as photoshop, hugin, and a few others I've tried seem to all cap out around either 4GB export size, adobes 30,000x30,000 limit, or some others with a 200,000x200,000 cap, to put things in perspective the one I'm working on now is about 3.6 Terapixel and due to how autogiga caches images instead of thumbnailing leads to me wishing for other software,
No I think you're pretty high and dry outside the specialty software with that rig. I mean 30k x 30k is 900MP which is more than I needed to do 30' wide prints for a trade show that looked great at eye level. I just think the demand for that is extremely low. CIA and super niche affecionados. There's not much money in pushing your software to that level. Demand is too low.
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I was dissappointed to see you left the 24 / 200 off again..When did your first version you indicated you would update it the 24/200 any chance of that still happening
Hi David, I don't own or use that lens, but there's a link in this video's full description to a free video on how to find it for any lens and camera combo. :)