Dancing for the Devil: The 7M TikTok Cult | Official Trailer | Netflix
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- A group of prominent TikTok dancers are trapped in a cult masquerading as a management company called 7M. Among them is Miranda Wilking, whose family is desperately trying to get their daughter out. As other dancers and former members escape and work to rebuild their lives, it isn’t until they come together to try and put a stop to the cycle of their abuser that the real healing begins. This three-part documentary series from director Derek Doneen, Dirty Robber and WV Alternative exposes the diabolical tactics used by cult-like organizations to exert control over people as well as the lengths families will go to keep their loved ones safe.
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It somehow always revolves around a self proclaimed pastor.
Exactly my thoughts
Almost as if the notion of a God you must worship else you go to hell is an incredibly good way to control people
Yep!!! Look at Chad Daybell.
How else are pastors proclaimed
Taxes are a big reasons.... grifters gonna grift hard
Lost a friend of 30 years to a cult/church. He met a woman in this group. He became very distant and cold. He got married and changed his last name (to hers). Cut off his family and all his friends in a matter of months. Eventually moved away, and no one has heard from him in 10 years. Scary stuff!
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I'm so sorry.sending love.
Seriously??😮
@@neiphremiachieo6709 No joke. I noticed a change in his attitude towards his friends and family. Didn't trust them and became cold. It was really quick. One thing a cult will do is badmouth or sabotage the outside world. ie friends and family
Changed HIS last name to HERS!?!? Girl wya so we can get drinks and you can tell me all the tea 💀
The best way to help them is to unfollow them, just not support them anymore in any way.
Why are you “following” them in the first place ?? lol
@@Ricardo-pj6clThey are not talking about themselves. They are talking about other close friends, fans, and family of said victims.
Exactly. Tiktik boom is poison and a cult anyway
Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries;
Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time.
Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?
The problem is that you have to watch the Netflix show. Otherwise you wouldn’t think that they’re in danger.😅
bruh i thought the trailer was not real and was a movie filmed in a way to make it look like a real documentary turns out it is real 💀
Me too 😂😂😂😂
slow
Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
Her family came off very inauthentic, like actors hired to play the role of her family for the documentary.
No@@MahmoudKora-wr4sx
Priscilla and Melanie alone was SO MUCH. I hope Netflix will do a follow up.
Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries;
Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time.
Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?
I watched this and it’s SO SAD. I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day. I hope Miranda returns to her true self one day and leaves this cult behind. The world isn’t blind, we can see this cult-church for what it is. It’s a cult.
I hope Prycilla can find peace within herself enough to propel her forward into enjoying a fantastic life.
If/when Miranda leaves she’s going to be just like Pricylla after she finally left, emotionally confused about leaving what she’s known for years and struggling to find herself
Pray for them we all need to pray for them!
@@kendrickdingerMiranda has something Prycilla didn’t have and that’s a loving and caring family. They were there in the beginning and will be there when she comes back there will be a big difference in her ability to be deprogrammed .
They all need trauma therapy. They have classic CPTSD and it decimates the things one is most passionate about; it messes a person up royally.
@@tamb7587prayer is what led us here in the first place. Are you being sarcastic? Lol
The parents should get in touch with Leah Remini (former Scientologist). She got out and is helping others get out.
She wanted out. Until someone wants out, you can’t help them, just like an addiction…
Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries;
Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time.
Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?
100% Scientology is an evil cult founded by a cia agent it run like a CIA too. Katie Holmes fled, & Lia Remeny left. Pop people of praise is a cult that Amy Commey Barrot is in too she should be removed from Supreme Court.
Its kinda weird when you see comments section where every comment is almost exactly the same.
Simply evidence many, many people feel strongly about Katie Joy Paulson's affiliation with this production. She is a very problematic source of information, to put it lightly. Her relationship with the truth has proved tenuous at best.
@@ezsmum3064 no normal person knows who katie joy is
@@siryozen9648thank you. I’m starting to think those people are also a cult.
Anyway, Katie Joy aside, there are several people in this trailer saying they were victims and people are straight up ignoring that. Weirdos.
@@NinaPB clearly you haven't done your research into Katie Joy and have no idea about what she's done. Why don't you look into how "credible" she is and then come back to the comments. This isn't members of a cult, these are real life people who have had interactions with her and have watched her cause pain and exploit people. She did this to herself. This is simply caused by her words, actions and behaviours. This is her public reputation. This is how people see her and I myself made a lengthy comment about how I feel sorry for these victims. Katie couldn't give up the spotlight and let the victims speak. She knows her true reputation around CZcams and around the Web. She knew people were going to take issue with her involvement. She claims to care so much about the victims, but why couldn't she politely step back and let the victims voices shine? Because Katie Joy is a trauma vulture and is not a true advocate for victims. She can't help but take credit for things and insert herself into every story.
You should see Fox News out of Utah when she was on. Even people didn't know who she was went after her.
The saddest thing about all this is that the leader of the cult is becoming a millionaire at the expense of the dancers!!!
He manipulates them with "belief in God" and they are so blind that they believe he really cares about them. For the cult leader they only represent a lot of money for his pockets.
But as they say..... There is no blinder than he who does not want to see...
The saddest thing is seeing everything their families suffer when they see their children, it is that horrible situation!!!
I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day...
Pastors are supposed to be humble and religious servants. He's in it for the money 100%
they lack discernment and clearly don't read the bible this is why. Now their eyes are open and they see all along that he was the devil a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@@Truthful010 He clearly wasn't called by God. There are so many people preaching without having a supernatural encounter where God has called them to become pastors, they are building their own churches because they have the money to do so and a way with words.
Exactly!! What a bunch of airhead morons.
Holy wow. I went to school and did theatre with Miranda and remember hearing and seeing all this happening. It’s so crazy to think about. Wishing the best for this family and all those affected in this too.
I hope they tell Miranda's side of the story and do not rely on just her sister and parents. BTW, Miranda did say what was going on shortly after her parents posted their side of the story on social media.
Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
@@flyingmomlaura8723 it’s not likely that Miranda was interviewed because usually an active cult isn’t going to let its members speak on something like this.
@@nathena8u do know it was Melanie who brought her sister to this alleged cult right? And she got mad when everyone saw that Miranda is the more talented dancer right? I hope u also know that Miranda met w her sister n family n had Christmas together too. I didn't know cults allow their ADULT members to leave/come n go on their own free will. Kj said those images of the family reunited are a stunt for 7m. Also the wilkings quickly learned who woacb was & told her to leave them alone n take the videos down. So once again kj felt rejected & slighted so she went even harder & stalked n harassed them. U shld get out of the woacb cult bc u look foolish defending satans agent
No, you didn't. Stop lying. Holy wow.
The cult has some well paid bots 😂😂😂
Facts 😂
Honestly very well paid 😂
Yeees!!! 😂😂
Says the group of KJ BOTS from KJ/WOACB social media cult! Do you know you are in a Cult? Please seek help.
I see the cults members are working overtime in the comment section..
I noticed that. Unless it’s maybe they’ve got bots commenting because they’re all saying exactly the same thing 😂😂😂
THIS !! 😂
Im not a cult member not even a dancer but still don’t believe everything being said 😊
OMG- someone has a differing opinion or perspective and YOU think it’s the cult? Hahahaha. Are you a fan of without a crystal ball?
@@DeannThomas-le2ut Just remember that your real family and friends will probably welcome you back with open arms and love whenever you are ready to leave. This does not have to be your life and the cult does not care about you really.
Finally it will be revealed why all those dancers like Vik and Miranda and B Dash only dance to the same 5 oldies songs!! And why they wear awkward clothing. Why they never just engage with their followers like normal people. And why their comment sections are filled with universal praise and adoration. Their whole shtick is soooo strange!!
Just went to Miranda's IG account and the few pages I looked at were filled with anything but positive comments. They were mostly negative, accusing her of being in a cult. But when I followed Miranda and Vik for a short time about 12-18 months ago, I did notice they kept dancing only to Bee Gees, EWF, Michael Jackson and a few other songs. That was strange. However, Miranda looks beautiful, happy and seems to be thriving. Maybe we all should join a cult (jk)?
The leader of that cult is a person who knows how to manipulate each of the members. The dancers work and work and only receive 20 percent of what they earn. The leader of the cult is a very intelligent man in a evil way.
How many cults have come to light and people continue and continue believe in those persons who say they are God's chosen ones?
It's sad to see the parents suffer from this whole situation, so I hope the trial of robert shin starts soon and they put them in jail for ever.
Serious question, it's that amy different then music artist stating out. Your worst contract is the worst. I get that ,a company spends alot of money to hype you out and then if you tank . All that money is gone. Once your famous, your 2nd contract is much better . 🤷🏻
I’m excited for this documentary because this cult is real. All these dancers are so ridiculously talented and yet are doing the same handful of choreography to the same handful of oldies, and always posted or credited to Isaiah Shinn who is Robert Shinn’s son (head of the church). That’s just the tip of what’s odd. These dancers deserve better.
I always wondered why there were posted under a seemingly random person’s name
These people all seem self centered and shallow
So who carea😂
Their dances are codes. IDK but it's the way they dance that convince me that it's coded, which made me not want to continue to watch the documentary.
Most are not so talented. The two sisters were very average dancers. They’re more gullible than talented. The guys were talented.
So this cult has an army of trolls taking over the comment section.
Yeah now that you're saying it, I guess you might be right about that!
Dude I seen the same thing
I was thinking the same thing 🤔
100% 😂😂 I'm reading the comments while watching it. It's so sad. It's like cult inception lol
@@tessajones9393 💯 indeed! These trolls are all over it. And it is sad cause this is a cult FOR SURE!
I just watched. I'm still in shock with this documentary. One thing became very clear: "Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it." But at what price?😢
Hey cult members in the comment section, don’t make it so obvious by trashing this documentary cause of 1 potential source. There’s first party testimony from several former members that spoke out in this documentary and you’re harping on just 1 person. We feel for you and hope you see the truth soon! Don’t waste years of your young lives worshipping a predator!
Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this CZcams creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
@@jenmck23be gone paid bot
Don't know why my comment is gone but posting again since I'm not a paid bot but a real Canadian women.
Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this CZcams creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
This documentary is so dark and bad at the same time
Not a cult member & dont believe half of the things on documentary
Let’s hope they watch this documentary and come to their senses somehow. There’s clearly only one person benefiting from all this.
It's so sad
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Wow it a dark documentary about tiktok it went dark
Scientologists haven’t left due to the docs on them
Yes and her name is Katie Joy Paulson from Without a crystal Ball who pitched and put this documentary together. KJ was sued 2 years ago by Robert SHINN and Miranda/Bdash. So the woman who put this all together is being sued by the people she wrote the documentary about. Kinda seems like she would benefit from further slandering the people actively suing her.
Can't wait til TikTok is no more
Nothing is more important than your family. I can not believe that people drop there family for religion.
people have been leaving their family for religion for as long as there has been religion. Hell at one point Jesus asked for the first born sons....
Apparently true religion would not want you to drop your parents.
That's what religion does, it destroys everything. And you'll see, this whole documentary is a religous propaganda, every interviewed person OUTSIDE of the cult is talking nonstop about religion so this comment thread will be littered with god sucking morons, they gather like flies when they see a feeble minded person they can suck the blood off and convert into their sect.
It's not religion. It's a cult. The world's religions all recognize the importance of family.
@@crunchyrubble religion is the same as cult on a larger scale. i can't explain this to you since you believe in ghosts goblins and gods. you're incapable to see the light.
Damn the comment section is full of cult members 😂
No that’s not it. Katie Joy from WOACB is the one that pushed for this documentary and is a known liar and is a very cruel person.
There is a community that spreads awareness about Katie’s horrible behavior and are likely responding to this documentary. Katie has been sued by Robert Shinn in a defamation lawsuit so we are familiar with her antics behind the scenes.
She is extremely manipulative and twists the truth. She also made over 30 videos exploiting a young man’s suicide to line her pockets. She will exploit anyone for money. Shes an awful person.
@@Eileen064 what are you even on about, there are multiple victims speaking out in this documentary and you're trying to paint it all as a lie because of some woman. You 100% sound like a cult member.
Right?!😂
@Eileen064 saying you're a cult member without saying you're a cult member. You sound like a freaking sock puppet! Get over yourself!
This is what happens when money is dangled to people. You play with fire, you get burned. Use your brains people. Theres life outside of social media.
Very true.... Ive seen family members do this within families towards those in the family with money-!! Doesnt even have to be outside the family. Its all about people wanting money, status, attention etc. Its dangerous and takes self discipline to say No to it.
i just finished watching this, robert shin needs to be arrested immediately, how on earth has he not been put behind bars?!!
Another reason why TikTok should be banned and you should never believe in pastors and have your own relationship with God
Agreed and jesus warned us about them.
If you want to know how brainwashing happens in real time, just read the comment section of this video. A whole lot of repetition and misdirection going on... 🤣
Actually you would be inaccurate. I'm not brainwashed or in the cult, a cult victim or hater or whatever else Katie is going around saying. I am a real person who used to be subscribed to her a sadly a paying member to her channel.
Katie has a tendency to block and delete any negative comments, comments that disagree with her and of course any comments criticizing her. I don't know who you are or if you've actually done a simple Google search on Katie Joy and Without a Crystal Ball or WOACB, but her public reputation is not very good. This is not misdirection going on. Sure there is repetition in these comments because Katie is a Trauma Vulture who has a very problematic history that has been documented on CZcams. It is shocking that people would be willing to have Katie Joy involved in this project when she is in an active lawsuit with Robert Shinn and 7m. She is being sued for defamation regarding some of these exact claims. People take issue with this docuseries because of Katie's involvement. She cannot be trusted. She claims to be a "reporter and journalist" but has many examples of not being very ethical. She has caused harm to many people and exploited people's pain and their stories for clicks and views, to make money on CZcams.
The one that irritates me the most is Jenelle Evans or Eason from MTV's Teen Mom 2. I'm not saying I like Jenelle but when you have a DV victim sharing details with you and you claim it's off the record so she feels comfortable to open up and share, what happens to honouring the "journalist integrity", when she ends up going back into the DV cycle? Katie decided to judge Jenelle and rather than contact authorities to privately help this woman and mother, who was very likely in danger and a bad situation, Katie decided to publicly blast the "off the record" DM's on her CZcams and social media accounts. She not only put Jenelle at risk of major retaliation of her abuser, but also risked the safety of Jenelle's children. Why? Because she was mad that Jenelle went back? Katie claims to be a survivor and should understand how stupid and dangerous that was to do. IMO Katie released those DM's because she felt like the "connection" she made with Jenelle back fired on her and Katie couldn't handle looking like a fool. So Katie decided to go on her CZcams channel and announce and blast the personal admissions Jenelle gave her about abuse she suffered at the hands of her husband. Please explain to me how this is ok? As a survivor myself, that incident sticks with me and is why I'm so vocal on my stance regarding Katie and her involvement with victims.
Some people are just weak.
This is heartbreaking & horrifying that shin has evaded consequences for 30yrs. Hell is waiting for him tho
Consequence for what. What law did he break
This is exactly how I thought TikTok dancers’ their brains work. Sometimes stereotyping is accurate.
For any REAL CHRISTIANS WATCHING THIS PLEASE PRAY THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE LURED IN BY THIS CULT WILL HAVE THEIR EYES OPENED.. Pray that God will send waring angels to do battle with the evil force’s that this cult has over these young people and for the scales to be removed from their eyes so they can be freed from this man and his cult!
Prayer and ten dollars will get you a sandwich.
You don’t need an adjective in front of Christian, you either believe Jesus is your salvation or you don’t , that’s the only requirement
@@KrisD007 there are MANY PEOPLE who claim to be Christian’s who don’t know the first thing about what that means .. What the fundamental principles of the faith are , so , I disagree. They are Christian’s in identity only …would u consider Robert Shin to be a Christian?? Cause he claims he’s one ..
... praying to a false idol got these vulnerable souls into the situation they are currently in... stop looking outward seeking something from someone else... the power is within you...end of.
returd
Why are all these comments condemning this exactly two weeks ago...btw ..im an outsider..have no clue about this...but i know bots when i see them
No. A lot of actual people find woacb, a “source” in this production, to be a click bait CZcamsr who spreads misinformation for views.
Same.
@@heather5346 the sources in this doc are former victims of Roberts cult, the dancers are only his latest victims and a minor part of what the doc highlights.
@@heather5346Robert Shinn is still a devil’s incarnate.
@@heather5346 heather, you don't even have a profile picture. bot behavior
Really really interesting that almost all of these comments are about Without a Crystal Ball and Katie Paulson and deleting Netflix accounts lol its almost like a bunch of people got together and came up with a tactic against this documentary. Probably for a reason.
🤣 TOO funny you are; it’s ppl like YOU who get sucked into KJ’s cult…it’s easier not to thick THAT MANY PEOPLE DESPISE KJ, isn’t it. Well truth is: SHE REALLY IS THAT DESPISED! Bc of the YEARS of harm we’ve all witnessed! For gosh sakes, FREAKING GOOGLE the trauma vulture! (Or don’t…continue being one of her blind 🐑🐑 cult followers)
I hope all this talented, beautiful people in that cult will come to there senses and leave that "pastor" all this comments here are from bots paid by that " greedy pastor"
So it's like being in a K-pop band?
I just have to say, after watching the documentary, Pryscilla is one of the strongest women I’ve ever seen
Hope Robert goes to prison for a long time. He deserves to be in a cell with nothing.
I was always wondering whos houses they were dancing because they looks like villas and just recenly her and her husband purchased a new house that is not luxurious. So I wonder if that was their cult leader mantion
They either rented it for a day or something or it is his...which he probably pays with the money they are supposed to earn
In the documentary they confirmed that the properties are owned by Robert and the cult members pay rent.
Came here from Miranda’s post of instagram…didn’t even know this documentary came out but apparently they are currently in court for defamation and etc.
And it’s so shady that Netflix puts this out. Netflix is making a lot of money on this series and clearly they don’t care about anyone involved. It’s as if Netflix is a cult and no one sees it
This comment section is mad culty 💀
Holy shit, I used to follow a couple of these folks on Instagram before tiktok was super huge, I hope they're doing better now
I watch a lot of dance videos. I recognize several people in this documentary. I watch them on CZcams often. It breaks my heart. It is heavy. I recommend it. Even though it’s hard at times, there’s a lot to learn there. First, when people have good families, those families will keep fighting to save them.
Same here. Very sad to watch. I will no longer view the dance videos as this supports the cult.
EDIT: watched the documentary, Katie Joy is NOT interviewed. Some of her social media posts appear on screen a few times but they represent a matter of seconds of the 3 episode documentary. You can all go rage elsewhere. 😊
Regardless of whoever Katie Joy is, I’ve read the reviews from news sources and they interview several former members of the cult who have left. This sounds like Classic Cult 101. Just because they interview one shady person does not negate the experiences of the members who left. It’s interesting because I’ve gotten bombarded with videos from Miranda and her husband on Instagram on my feed (I don’t follow either of them). Both very good looking, great dancers, fun videos. I didn’t think much about it but there is always more than meets the eye online.
Exactly this! I came to the comments section while watching this doc but all I read is about some Katie Joy which I've never heard of before in the first place. Guess I'm too old to keep up with this BS lol. But I do know a thing or 2 about cults, and this one definitely ticks some major classic cult boxes, so yeah there's that.. And I'm sure all of those former members didn't lie about their experiences either. But maybe I'm getting sour here, but all I'm thinking while watching this is... oh yeah, America...again! The obsession with religion seems to be sooo huge that I feel any potential cult leader can just stand up and decide to create a new cult within say a few years time or so..
I think all this comments are bots paid by that greedy pastor
@YvieT81 seems most if not all of those comments are shills from the cult. Probably many of them leaving comments are the ones who have been brainwashed. Very sad.
@@jika1986The pastor has his own handlers out there, and trust me, a LARGE part of Hollywood and these smaller scale companies spend millions on fake/bot accounts to grow certain accounts and overwhelmingly be in the comment section defending bs.
Trolls and bots vote too! But don't pay taxes because they're FAKE.
Odd world we live in today.
Thank God my Dad,always talk with my siblings and I. About this Religious Cult. Don't let no one control your life 🫡
"Don't let ANYONE control your life."
Most of the comments here are from the cult itself
In every cult documentary I've ever watched I've been able to spot some degree of charisma in the "leader", until now lol. It blows my mind ANYONE could be seduced by this guy, I watch all the cult docs and I've never said/thought that. I mean what am I missing???
I thought the same way. I think it's what they got in return. Fame, views, celebrity and money
He must be good at talking because he’s frightening to look at.
I agree but I think it's a combination of young adults, naive, he promises them money and fame and well...they're Americans obsessed with god/religion. Then this is what you get. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Fame hungry artists
Not always the case! Look! Trump became a president when he has a vocabulary of a first grader!!! Anything is possible. I actually thought this Shinn guy sounded smarter than Trump. 😂
I’ve seen some of these dancers on CZcams. Can’t wait!!!
This trailer doesn't make justice! I wasn't expecting much but MY GOD! How is he not arrested yet? How much do you need on someone start an investigation?!
A Netflix docuseries is more than enough. It's all downhill from here Robert Shinn 😂
I had to subscribe to you, simply because I am loving all of your documentaries.
You truly dig deep while also providing amazing visuals and effects along the way.
Keep up the great work, and I absolutely loved this documentary series here.
Melanie Lee's closing statement in episode #1 was what really drove it home!
Do you know that this girl was sued by tati Westbrook? I think you need to ask celebrity and very notable lawyer Michael Saltz, Esquire about this.
that's funny , cult members extremely popping in the comments section.
Now a documentary about tiktok
Netflix done messed up not researching katie joy properly 😂
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Right?? Google is free 😅
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Exactly 💯
Netflix doesn’t care about credibility. It’s about money.
There’s no sin except the sin of abusing another by exercising one’s power…
I feel so sad for the korean sisters
The real crime here is these people get paid to do stupid dances 😂😂😂
Someone thought a man of god couldn't ever be the leader of a cult.. WOW
That's literally the #1 requirement
He isn’t a man of god, pastors are humble and religious. This man is just in it for as much money as possible. Even the Bible says
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Hopefully this “pastor” realizes the things he’s doing.
Except that Robert loves to quote the Bible, what he does is actually no different from the managers of the K-pop entertainment company. This Korean guy must hv learned a lot from how k-pop companies control their little kids
i love how many comments there are calling out katie joy of without a crystal ball for the trauma vulture that she is. she is absolutely vile, untrustworthy and thinks her opinions are facts. i haven’t seen anything officially attaching her to this project other than her blabbing about being a “consultant” and acting as if she personally solely created this production. she is currently being sued for defamation by robert for saying vile things about him without any proof. this all makes netflix look so bad for not doing more background checks and everything being said in this production is merely hearsay, probably bs as kj is a source (allegedly anyway) - definitely won’t be watching.
I love this for her. Just like when the news station interviewed her about Ruby Franke. The comments were hilarious. And she can’t delete any of them. 👏🏼
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It would've been nice to know about this before I watched the series
You're the first one who watched stfu😂
Bla bla bla bla youre Robert Shins crust ass sucker
the video at the begining kinda looks like an act to me
Katie Joy Paulson, who has pretty much said everything from "I played only a small part in this documentary" to "I made this documentary happen" is not a credible source for ANYTHING. The beauty of what I'm about to say and the opinions I express is that she can't delete it, as she does ANY comment that is the least bit critical or that corrects her constant factual misstatements. CONSTANT. The following is Katie's recipe for journalistic success, which Meta and CZcams condone: (1) pick a perceived Christian public figure (usually sourced from TLC); (2) accuse them of being in a cult (any remotely "Christian" religion is a cult to Katie Joy, including Catholicism); and (3) endlessly pick apart their lives, accuse them of serious crimes-always including sex crimes-for which she gives no evidence, and comment nasty things about their appearance. She even made fun of Kody Brown's balding hair in a photo taken at the memorial for his son who had committed suicide. THAT is Katie Joy Paulson in a nutshell. The same women she claims are "victims" are vilified, spoken about like middle school mean girls. Her "reporting" is predominantly sourced from Reddit subs, which she usually doesn't credit. She has made hundreds if not thousands of videos on the Duggars and the Browns, most recently cashing in on the suicide of Garrison Brown in a way that breaches even fundamental ethics of journalism. She has repeatedly lied about the status of her lawsuit with 7M, Miranda, and James. The way she has talked about Miranda as a sex-trafficked cult member has been revolting. Her live-steamed reaction when she learned from a sub that Miranda reunited with her parents very early on in this saga was one of anger, not joy. She was "betrayed" bc the family had the audacity not to tell her first; furious, in fact. See, that messed up her cult narrative. She's no victim's advocate. Her "reporting" is tantamount to defamation and harassment, but bc these people are public figures, she banks on the fact they won't file defamation claims bc, legally, it's very rare for a public figure to win a defamation case, and litigation is very costly. And, of course, to them she's just a lowly CZcamsr. Her association with this documentary has me already questioning the veracity of what these people are saying. She is simply not a trustworthy source of information.
Perfectly said!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏💖
💯 🎯 I love so much that kj can't delete any of these comments that are fact! U know it's driving her crazy 🤪 😂...she will be on a drunken bender this wkend, screenshotting these comments & writing novels to try n deflect from her criminal behavior.
I'm praying that by the end of her lawsuit that she ends up w criminal charges bc defamation in MN is criminal. And the fact that kj has now perjured herself & openly brags about her involvement in this while lying under oath saying she hasn't spread her defamatory statements to any 3rd parties, I hope that's the nail in her coffin. Perhaps the MN DA indicts her on criminal charges & the judge holds her in contempt & jail for the perjury (in addition to the criminal defamation).
I also love that KJ keeps saying Robert's suit against her isn't going anywhere will be dismissed & she doesn't care, yet the public court records show the judge telling kj her statements that Shinn is a water boarding human trafficker is "defamatory on its face, unless u have proof of such claims..." So show ur proof & the greatest order in the suit is "defendants motion to dismiss is DENIED." 😅 she was also ordered to answer all interrogatories that she refuses to answer.
This whole series is very bad for Netflix bc now I won't believe anything they ever put out bc they obviously don't vet their sources.
@@goose4397Netflix put out Leaving Neverland… all BS about Michael Jackson… so I wouldn’t put too much faith in their documentaries.
Who is this person anyway? Never heard of her in the first place!
All this rant doesn't deny that miranda wasn't in a cult so bark somewhere else. And she has done hardly any contribution. THERE ARE OTHERS ON THE PROJECT DOING BETTER CONTRIBUTIONS!!! WATCH IT GUYS!!! SPREAD AWARENESS!
The devil is busy, yall...Sad to see families destroyed.. I've seen one cult documentary after another. All classic signs... At the end of the day, Karma is a B, and every person will have their day
Is Tight Eyez part of 7M? Is this the reason all the krumpers he mentored fell out with him?
He is apart of 7M. But, 7M is not the reason; but, there is an interesting story about all the reasons why some fell out with him.
I think Netflix is pretty brave putting this out with Katherine Paulson being involved with a deformation lawsuit against her from Robert shin. I wonder how the production co will feel when they are attached to said lawsuit and brought in as witnesses. I won’t watch anything that WOACB is involved in, but I will be waiting for the backlash
She’s a drunk/ addict herself. She better tread lightly. Her addiction is getting her in toooo deep and we know her now.
And Miranda is also in that lawsuit against KJ
Oops forgot this, the judge ordered Robert Shinn could not talk about KJ and KJ couldn’t him. She’s hungry for fame and did so anyway and I’m anxious to see what happens to her
same sis. same
@@LylaLevin-bd4uk The judge didn't render a gag order on KJ. But these posts she's now making are not helping her defense.
Oh, wait I remember coming across this on TikTok 2 years ago and being amazed by thinking the whole thing was batshit crazy. I remember watching some videos of this particular family talking about losing contact with their sister/ daughter (not sure if it was Miranda's family). It could be the same family in this video I'm still not sure but it's incredibly sad seeing them still going through this. She needs to come back to her family and wish every of these families to get their children back. The trailer makes it seem like this dude is still out here ruining lives. Does that mean he is not being investigated? Mind-blowing
Shes an adult & living her best life to this day. Her name is Miranda & she sees & spends time with her family.
Hahahah she's not being kept from her family the whole family's posted pics on ig together AND tiktoks. Sending birthday wishes to each other! She's a grown adult shes allowed to choose to do what she wants!!
These are adults, not children, who made their own decisions. In fact Melanie wilkings brought her sister into 7m, only when Miranda was seen as the better dancer did Melanie n her parents claim it was a cult. Also they were together at Christmas. Netflix shld have never worked w rhe youtuber Katie doy, she's not an investigative journalist 😂
@@slimcakes504so your saying her and her family made this up to sell this doc??? 😅😅😅😅😢😢
@@BeautyInYOU583 no never said that but the whole doc fell short imo I've been following this 7m/Shekinah Church mess since before it became viral 2 yrs ago...i was watching everything play out even before the family made their plea for help video. There's just a bunchhhh of information that was left out I'm sure intentionally and a lot of drama behind the scenes that just makes me view everything completely different vs someone who's just learning about it! One thing we will agree on is Robert Shinn is not a good guy! 😕
Releasing on my birthday lol
It's crazy to have loved a lot of the content, never knowing it had such a dark side associated with it!?!
miranda reminds me of that one actress playing zac efron’s fiancé in dirty grandpa
I'm sorry, but this "documentary" lost all credibility when they decided to involve katie joy; the professional poser and notorious liar behind 'without a crystal ball', an egregiously exploitative reality tv gossip channel on CZcams.
Exactly. Katie Joy Paulson is completely untrustworthy and very shady.
Absolutely agree!
Well said! What the hell was Netflix thinking putting their reputation on the line by using Katherine Paulson for anything? All those involved in this will learn the hard way to verify their sources as Katherine’s known to compensate individuals to do her dirty work. She lies, cheats, steals all in the name of greed and clout. Be expecting a defamation lawsuit Netflix -,you worked with the Queen of Defamation
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How is she invloved in this movie? I can't find the info and I don't know who she is
Who the hell is katie joy? Lol
Google her!!
A wannabe journalist who makes up crap. The drunker she gets the more outrageous her lies become.
No the real question is: why does this comment section gets flooded with comments about some Katie Joy? Cult tactics 😉
These comments and everyone mentioning her is another cult 😂
I'm gathering she's the one that makes cults nervous. Clearly from the comment section. 🤣
Ugh, when that girls father talked about seeing her and his wife said if you let her go we will never get you back and he said I struggled but then I had to give up….crushed. A father should never feel like he should give up fighting for his child and the fact that he felt he had to is just crushing. But what else can a parent do in that situation
I cried at that
So the takeaway. No one has common sense anymore😂😂😂
Getting Jim Jones and The People’s Temple vibes.
A plan hatched between the Derek sisters to raise their profile. Never heard of Miranda Derek. Suddenly her name is everywhere. If this is her way out of the cult, then she’s cleverer than her cult leader.
jfc so many bots in this comment section
comment section is super weird
These comments are a cult 😂
Katie joy cannot be trusted.
The dad was my teacher at highsxhool and the mom was my counselor in middleschool, the kids used to come to my schools all the time thats crazy
Damn Netflix always coming 🔥🔥🔥🔥 no diddy
Period no diddler allowed 😂
Hmm so we’re supposed to feel sorry for these influencers?
Ikr lol...influencer = lazy entitled millennial
They are still human beings. Maybe some empathy should be felt
Very interesting documentary. Not sure how true it is but definitely something to think about… if it is true, I hope the dancers get out & get their life back. 🙏
Those people on tiktok are soo cringe
this looks insane!
the scene where melanie dances in the rain is sublime. final message of love sent to his sister.

I use to watch Vik and Maranda dance all the time. This reminds me of the one cult with the girl from the show Smallville.
Zero credibility if Katie Joy is involved. Very disappointing you didn't vet her properly. Will NOT be watching this "documentary."
Omg, you will not watch it😢😢😢😢😢
@@jessg101 Out of all the comments on this thread talking about how Katie Joy has zero creditability, you chose mine to be a smart-ass on...why is that exactly? 🤔
Who is Katie Joy?
@@LaurieDesAutels Just read thru the comments below and it will explain exactly who she it.
@@Dana-BrittShes not in the credits. At all. Yall trippin.
Hard NO. Katie Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball said she made this documentary. She was cruel to Garrison Brown's family after he unalived himself and posted a fake video of his family's house when they were grieving. If she's involved you know it's fake. She makes up fake stories.
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Stop spamming!!
She also said garrison had disturbing beliefs 2 days before he died
@@kandikaye4405 She’s a monster with no redeeming qualities.
You can say whatever you want. I have seen the grieving parents on the show. No parent should go through that. It's indeed a cult. And her involvement in this doc is close to none. Let her brag at her small part.
Not to mention 3 days before garrison died she accused him of being racist and having disturbing beliefs
Netflix is the real cult yet that goes over everyone's head 😄
Right?!? I just saw this and thought “Damn this is crazy. Netflix is making money by destroying peoples lives and not caring at all”
Could be a phase she is going through. Some people change as they get older and no longer have the same world views as their family & friends.
All these cult documentaries are starting to get bored. I mean how can people be so stupid to fall for it over and over and over again.
My thoughts? America and the general obsession with religion is one major factor I'm afraid..
How about stop believing everybody who comes to you as a victim not only this but all the lawsuits against super successful men It seems as if there's a war on men Nobody ever does proper research or investigations they just automatically believe these people That's never how America worked now you can say anything about anybody and without evidence reason or investigations they get locked up They want to make all men look evil It's sad how Successful men cant catch a break you realize people pay people to say bad things about them Idgaf about this cult or this doc it's just weird how in the past couple of years everyone believes victims without questions
The comedy we've been waiting for.
This series just shows how many holes are still present in the justice system that may never be amended
Seriously?!? Katie Joy Paulson contributed to this? If so, don’t call it a documentary. You’ve lost credibility before it was even released.
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Kj is the tabloids of youtube
Yes, ignore all the victims speaking for someone THAT ISN'T EVEN THERE
Yeah, I remember Konkrete was involved with all of this for a while, but I've seen him more distant from the TikTok BS for a while.
In the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7:15-20), Jesus warns his followers of false prophets: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?
The Wilking sisters are NOT from Detroit!!! The documentary should not have said that... their home was clearly in the suburbs! Probably Novi or Bloomfield Hills somewhere. STOP IT
Lmao 😂
They have homes like that in Detroit.
Hey, KJ you wish you can dirty delete all of this and block every one.
😂😂 I love it!
THIS!!!
She can't create an echo chamber here!!
@@neeneemarie I love this for her! No access to delete us.
?? Who’s KJ🤔
@Laura-bw6pl Katie Joy, aka Without a Crystal Ball. Make sure you have snacks if you wanna go down that rabbit hole, lol.
I’m not surprised when I see all these CZcamsr and TikTok livings together I automatically think some shady nasty stuff going on in them houses 🤮
I enjoyed watching the cult church documentary. I just want to know when is the S2 coming? Can't wait 😂
Yall act like ppl know who Kate Joy is… yall in the cult? These comments are sus man
Actually no. These comments aren't sus at all if you did a quiz Google Search into Katie Joy of Without a Crystal Ball. She's a CZcamsr that claims to be a "reporter and journalist" but has a very problematic past and is being sued for defamation regarding these claims and accusations against 7m and Robert Shinn.
@@Marshmar7 I'm not spamming under every comment. But secondly there is a difference between changing somebody's mind and their opinion and informing someone who Katie Joy is and why people have such an issue with her. Big difference
@@jenmck23 are you pro Robert Shinn? I get that u can be anti Kate but being pro Robert is bad too lol
@@imandychoiall of the accounts have only left comments under this one video, that’s how you know…
I’ve never heard of Katie Joy Paulson. Can someone explain what she has done and said?
The first few comments are all about saying how she’s a bad person and I just to know why so I can informed
Katie Joy stated in a video that her son would murder someone because he is autistic. Katie Joy also demonstrate how to SEXUALLY abuse a child in a video
Ok I left a very long comment about a couple examples. But it's honestly a harder question to answer because there are so many examples over the years. She is basically what we call a Trauma Vulture. She starts claiming to "report" on stories but the real reason is because she simply wants to make money and ends up taking things way too far. The latest example is the tragic passing of Garrison Brown. He got ahold of audio and reports about his suicide. She doesn't truly care about the victims but rather it's all about clicks and views. She exploits victims and simply wants to cover their stories to make money. Please don't take my word for it. There are many channels that call out her problematic behaviour and her history is well documented on CZcams. WOACB vs WOACB, Renelle Smith, Southern Mutton, Nee nee Marie, Cactus Bill, and many more. See for yourself why people have such issues with her.
Just Google her!!!
It’s just bots commenting. Trying to put the willies up Netflix to deter the real public from watching and liking the brilliant doco. Ignore the bots.
It's cultists and bots
Wishing the family all the best. My only comments are that I would liked to have heard the father speak more, his wife constantly interrupted or talked over him. The sister talking about moving forward "not for social media", when she lives her life on social media is a little hypocritical, and continues to use her sister´s story for her to gain social media fame.