$1000 uThermal Holdout Challenge - THE GRAND FINALE
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Thanks again to uThermal for organizing this challenge. It was super fun to participate and play against you. Btw, the cyber core at the bottom left was not for batteries anymore, but because it had the highest amount of hit points 😅
Yeah, just like the guy building the terran upgrade buildings as well.
Thank you for the experience my friend! I tried my best, but there were quite a few problems. First of all I build 2nd barrack instead of ghost academy, I knew that you would probably go for ravagers (I know you too well lol), Second MY SCV GOT STUCK TWICE BRO LIKE WTF, and third I didn't pull enough scv and didn't turn on the auto repair on them sadly. Still I am happy that I got into the finals! (Dude)
Tough luck on the stuck SCV's still a fun game to watch!
The giant wall of text from Nomad at the beginning was hilarious XD loved it
Yeah, that was awesome 😂
I had the idea to Toucan him but SC2 sensibly has a text limit to stop that. 😆
Would be fun to see this with a little twist. The opponent gets 6 mins to prepare before you can attack.
lul you have obviously never played sc2. that would be way to big of a handicap..
@dopbaggins1 I mean uthermal would also be preparing for those 6 minutes. Would just make it really interesting to see how far people could take it. Might be a boring video for some people, but I'd love it.
Or do it so they have an advantage in some way, like they get more money, custom map perhaps so uthermal has regular minerals and gas and those holding out get rich gas and minerals.
Great series. Recommend putting up the 1/2/3 place times on the screen while you play, would raise the excitement toward the end. Like how the Olympics does it, or speedrunners. GG
I always thought I was a strong turtle terran back when I played, but when I watch you take these players apart, I keep thinking I wouldn't be able to hold past the 6 min mark.
Mmmmm I was expecting someone to be burrowing drones near gases across the map
What's the best holdout strat? 1-base Turtle? Hide-a-Hatch? Wall the Natural? I guess we'll find out
1 base turtle with terran would work with a couple of workers hidden on the map for later, zerg expand with mass lings to random bases and protoss I'm not sure, I think one expansion hidden somewhere to recall to
@@sinephase I'd love to see a burrowed drone build, waiting for the scouts to pass by, then build a few extractors one after the other
@@alalalal Yeah, even in revealed phase, one could theoretically waste some time waiting for the army to move to one extractor, and before it goes down plop another one on the other side. Maybe that's why Marc hunted down the workers so thoroughly
Become a competitive GM ranked player and attack, as they say, best defense is a good offense.
That is how you hold longer or even win.
1 base counter cheese with better micro than Uthermal is the best strat.
Awesome series... hope you do it again sometime... kept me captivated all four episodes!
Idea for another holdout challenge, you could do teams like 2v1 or 3v1. Or what about a free for all? It would get nuts everyone scrambling over each other trying to survive.
2 v 1 holdout would be quite hype.
@@peterhardie4151 that might be a little too confined gameplay wise because 2 players act like a multiplier, any room he gives them is double value and strategies can be a little more limited due to the need for efficiency from his part. A headstart timer would be far more linear
@@Nynkx what? I don't understand.
Inverse holdout challenge next where you try to survive vs 4 or 5 players as long as possible!
Considering he's killed that number of players before there would have to be some rules in place to stop him doing that again.
@@adamtennant4936 He can decide whatever number of players he wants, it's just the idea. And of course it depends on the ranks.
Would be cool if he is not allowed to go a certain distance from his base or something? Or if he's protoss and not allowed to leave the energy fields or whatever around the pylons hahah.
Uthermal too stronk. Next level is Bongcloud + Holdout Challenge
Was a blast to watch!!! I hope that for the next challenge somebody cuts drones and goes speedling flood. Surely if Uthermal has to defend first and economy up before shifting to attack that would produce longer times than 6 minutes no? W
An amazing community challenge! I hope I can take part in the next ones too!
Random is gonna make it tough to decide how to defend. GL competitors!
I love these type of challenges.. I'll donate to help uthermal!
Last game: use banshee
Love this challenge, thats good for the community
I love this series!
I tried the worst strat ever recently with some friends, i hope you see this and try it. Only scvs/probes/drones allowed and static defence. Kind of a hold out challenge tbh, but it gets really really silly really fast and its even better if you try to attack. We did tried against ai and it was very fun. Anyway great videos, thank you :)
because the randomness nest time i would suggest to do best time of out 2 for it to be the most fair for al
super fun challenge!
Challenge Idea: Archon Survival
Choose a big map that is a bit hard to defend and everyone plays the same map (for fairness purposes)
In every match up the player chooses whether you play micro or macro
Determine before hand how many AI on max difficulty (My idea is between 3-5).
Or play against a full roster of Elite AI (full team, so if it's a 4v4 map then 4 Elite AI), make sure they all have the same build every game as well.
The player that survives the longest wins. Prize money for the top three to make it more exciting? The games might be quite longer and this would probably favour higher MMR players, so maybe do it in divisions but that does make it complicated and i don't think it's necessary, anyone can practice strats vs AI and even if you don't have high MMR you can beat AI pretty easily if you know exactly how to abuse them. Most people would probably be wise to choose you to play micro as well because if you can focus purely on macro then I think the skill ceiling for most people kinda dips a bit while micro is much more dynamic and situational.
Just an idea though, would love to see something like it.
They die too fast, you should give everyone a 1 minute head start next time to allow them to actually try out their strategies 😁
Good call. Survival mode while uThermal opens with a bongcloud.
congrats to all you guys
When you spot the scv at 37:55 :P
Need more holdout challenges!
It's the "acceptable" middleground between stomping noobs, and being fair 😅
what about a team game holdout? They can't attack your home base, but they can work together to hold out as long as possible. Maybe limit the number of total bases to 3 each or something. I really enjoyed this series by the way. I only found you recently and I enjoy your chaotic and unpredictable playstyle.
Congratulations to everybody!
It's Uthermal. How are people not prepping for reapers the second they see Terran lmao
Community game idea: mono battles!
In the arcade, each player selects only one combat unit that they will be able to build, plus detectors.
They get one rerroll if they dont like the first random unit they get
Hello again!
king of the hill? free for all?
thank you for everything you do!
Nice
37:55 you missed the patroling SCV!
Congrats all and extra shout out to the goldie
lmao at the nomad gambit
they all overthinking it
I wonder if being aggressive would work... such crazy skills.
GG
I really like the Mozzarella game, both you and him looked very crisp
Mozzarella defense was the best!
New video finally 😅 LOL!!!
How about a reverse holdout challange?
You try to hold as long as possible against your fans and the one who finishes you fastest at the end of x amount of matches wins?
The mind games make my head hurt. I know you can't win, but everybody using the same defense strategy felt like it made it easier this video. uThermal brought a hard counter to what he thought people would do and they all did it. He even commented in the video about lack of attempt to get an air unit.
the defending strategies were big lacking in creativity
I think the best play for any of these matches is to proxy him and threaten to take his base if uthermal moves out to attack mine. Just save 400 for a nexus/cc or 300 for hatch and threaten the base trade. Its very slow to base trade and have to rebuild to kill your old base as well.
Yep I think just about every game a proxy cheese or 12pool would have slowed him down a heap, the problem with at least half or more of the games is literally the 1st unit(s) started doing damage or even killing outright (one of the terran games marc one with the first 2 reapers lol), so returning the favour of the pressure would have made a lot of difference.
Fantastic community challenge and fantastic video!
I would like to see a version of this challenge when you are the holdout player :D Maybe a challenge like how much time it takes for someone to eliminate you and the fastest are the winners.
Or maybe how many opponents can you holdout :D
such a weird idea from the first protoss... can't understand in which situation pure cannon would be good
This was fun to watch. Great subscriber involvement
that awkward moment when the likes are 666, and you want to press like
I feel like none of them made any units so it was just a walkover.
I was really hoping so see somebody trying to defend against the cheese with units and turn it into a regular match (if "regular" is applicable to Marc's games). Alas, people chose not to rest their luck and went into "A turtle hides its eggs" mode :)
Yeah good luck doing that against a random that is going to try to kill you as fast as possible you have 66% chance you lose in 3-4 min. This is a really tricky challange, playing against a cheesing random is the most unfair thing in the game.
agreed, aggressive builds done at home should have an unfair advantage, because aggressive builds are strong even with the time it takes to walk across the map, so doing them but just for defence is way stronger if your goal is just to survive as long as possible.
but I think nerves got the players this time. They also chose way too complicated strategies. The best way is to pick something really simple to execute, like macro hatch -> mass speedling and queens, nothing else, no upgrades. If Marc comes in with 3 tanks and you have 40 speedlings he can't just outmicro that, he has to wait for a bigger army, more tech, etc.
Dunno if it works, but if you move command your worker on the drone, zerg shouldn't be able to build a hatch.
GRAND FINALE LET'S GOOOOO!!!
I wish there was a good grandmaster hidden among these players and to apply some cheese tactic against uthermal and literally do the best defense is a good offense thing
Like a curveball.
there was something like that with pig contain challenge - mana was a hidden pro
ALSO IT WAS 1 AM I WAS SLEEPY AF
a building in your natural would have been clutch, especially if it was slipped in after the initial scout. i dont think your scouting ever checked behind your naturals minerals.
I was also hoping the zerg player had burrow and had one hidden in his main so when you killed the main to look for the other bases they could pop it up and rebuild in their main away from the minerals. i dont think that was being scouted. hindsight though!
Are people not allowed to preemptively attack? I haven't seen all the videos but it seems like that would be something he wouldn't expect.
why do they play worse than normal? they should just do their safest builds and would already be able to resist longer. At least Diamond league should have the skills to hold for >8 minutes
I REALLY wanna try this how do i enter???
This is by far the most entertaining "season". The survival topic is a thing for this decade
should play all matches on the same map to keep it as even as possible, no?
How about a holdout challenge versus master league players? They'd be able to put up a fight, turtle on 1 base, etc. I feel that would be more interesting than this bashing.
If he does this I will grind nonstop from diamond 3 to masters so I can try to join haha
Will U make another Challenge against noobs? I am Not looking for 1000 USD.... I am only looking to play❤
when does thermy stream?
I wonder if cannon rushing would work. Even knowing you'll probably lose, it would still make the game take longer.
Idea for a new challenge: Who has the lowest units lost himself and the highest units lost dealt to you wins.
wtf am I illiterate or did you have a stroke or did I have a stroke
uthermal casually forgetting that he can make sensor towers. lmfao
would be extremly funny if one of them cheated and got serral, or one of pro players to play for them(By that i mean as a joke, and then they would be disqualified). Just to see how uthermal would react
That patrolling scv to see if there's cannon on the high ground... because cannon wouldn't shoot the rax, sure...
how fast can one get out a void ray?
about ~3m
@@floriancazacu4504
thanks :)
might be a defense then
Why Nomad just doesnt lift up the building? Simple
you'd be surprised some people forget to lift buildings even Marc and Maru
Lifting buildings is against the rules
@@erikhaynes5506 Actually sending to a corner is against, lifting is not
Why gave them the false info of making only static against terran, i'm pretty sure 2 tanks and a bunker would do much better than a planetary against tanks
Ever try playing lower level players one-handed? It'd be quite the hand-icap. ;)
i reckon i could draw out a match for 40 min... are these guys all gold league?
Can anybody explain me, how a "noob" can mine so much less than a pro out of one base where like 75% of saturation is already given? Cant be, that uT always fights with like 6 Tanks or 3 tanks and 8 Cyclones against 2 spines and 6 lings ?! What are they doing?
they probably don't know how to play the game technically..
One thing is that they get their pylons and supply depots killed early and are supply blocked.
The diamond player had 4 spine crawlers, an additional hatchery, upgrade: ling speed, a lair and a nydus network. uThermal only had 2 tanks and 4 cyclones on his first push.
The difference in macro isn't that great, I love the series where a silver/gold player did the macro and beat a grandmaster with uThermals micro.
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
You probably shouldn't be able to use your terrain buildings to scout for your tanks if they aren't allowed to lift off to avoid damage...
why? the enemy can use their buildings to scout and can lift them off, the just can't fly out of range of ground units
They're allowed to lift as long as they dont go to the corner
@@eclipseeffigy Gotcha, thanks. Are they allowed to lift to avoid fire from certain units if they leave it in place or attempt to move it to a different base?
Why didnt they just build units and fight back instead of hiding buildings?
Well, because plats can't over-micro pro. UThermal proxied buildings, so there was almost no advantage - you'll end up having exactly the same army, and then uthermal will overmicro your reaper with his. With that said, I'd like to participate in such a challenge. Looking for a way to donate to it.
They should just destroy Marc's base if they actually want to win. Ez gg wp. Or better yet, leave him one building to get the best time. Why isn't anyone doing this.
Wow youre a genius! So what you’re saying is that casual players should just win the game against a former pro and iem champion.
I agree a little. The best defence IS a good offence.
On the other hand these guys are tryna win a boxing match vs a heavyweight champion. Is the offence even worth the effort is it’s barely going to scratch the other guy?
@@BuddyWudzyn Exactly. It's so simple. I think the pressure is why they didn't think of this.
@@TheMuffinman191 The best defense is a great offense. Even Goliath fell to David. Life is weirder than fiction. You know what always happens in fiction. The underdog winning! (let's ignore the examples when that doesn't happen)
alright i watched until 4:38 hope that counts as a view
This is the only series I don'1 like on this channel..... no fun and no challenge at all. I hope it ends, hahah so you can focus on the other videos.
cheers! thank you