Lord of the Rings Commander Precons: Worst to Best
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Fun thing with Frodo, if you make him the Ring Bearer when the the Ring Tempts You, he gets skulk. So as long as you gained 3 life the first time he attacks, he does have evasion.
I was just about to comment the same thing haha
I thought the same thing when they started discussing him
They weren't nitpicky enough regarding Frodo, otherwise they would've caught this
Gain 3 by cracking a food. Then equip frying pan to frodo swing unblockable then after blockers before damage crack a bunch more food hit for a tonne was honetly terrifying watching an opponent get 2 shot by frodo 😂
@@CaptainGulasch It's understandable, there's a lot to review this set and the Ring Tempts You probably isn't a mechanic that is high on their radar as particularly commander relevant. I probably wouldn't have caught it if I didn't pre-order that precon.
I wish WOTC put this much care into the precons they make with each standard set. Compared to LOTR and 40K, they seem like an afterthought
I agree with this. These themes are inspired. Then, when you look at New Capenna precons...
Only thing is it’s going to make all precons jump up in price if their higher quality. Other than that I agree
The recent convoke one from MOM were really powerful they do make a lot of bad precons, but every now and then, one will come out and be cracked
They ARE an afterthought.
@@jeffe2267 I loved Neon Dynasty (OG Kamigawa block being my intro into magic) but ND was no Kamigawa. It was like a entire new plane
Rick, steadfast leader will be getting a universes within reprint in the Wilds of Eldraine later this year. My guess is that it will drop to about ~$10-$15 dollars. Just letting everyone know so you don't go out and drop $50 on something that will probably fall.
Much appreciated. Thank you
Thanks
Source?
They did this with the stranger things cards what's awesome is that those cards held value but the universes within cards are dirt cheap
Thank u good sir! I have a mardu humans deck that’s needed Rick the moment he was previewed, damn WOTC
0:20 the fact that post malone is under the “buy joe cherries a cEDH deck” tier is so awesome
The frying pan does more damage because it’s hot after you cook.
Man I actually really liked the Mordor deck. Swapped to the Saruman for commander and leave Sauron for a mid-late game haymaker. Obviously not on par with most home brewed decks but still stronger than I expected out of the box.
16:50. “Then the swans drew the white ships of the Teleri over the windless sea; and thus at last and latest they came to Aman and the shores of Eldamar… And many pearls they won for themselves from the sea, and their halls were of pearl, and of pearl were the mansions of Olwë at Alqualondë, the Haven of the Swans, lit with many lamps. For that was their city, and the haven of their ships; and those were made in the likeness of swans, with beaks of gold and eyes of gold and jet.
J.R.R. Tolkien, The Silmarillion, p.61
You didn't mention all the land reprints in the elf deck. They are worth a good amount
Battlebond land!!
@@CrunchBar-tc1hg Chill man. They are the ones opening themselves up to comments like mine by doing a segment on reprint value in the videos. If it makes you feel better the lands are good in the deck too as they don't always enter tapped. There ya go now stop your whining
I know The Ring Tempts You has a bunch of words, but it gives your creature evasion so don't need extra cards to give Frodo evasion necessarily.
Not necessarily. Only gives it skulk. Higher frodos power, more creatures that can block him.
A couple more budget adds for the Food and Fellowship precon: Jaheira, Friend of the Forest is a great way to make your Food more useful, since they become mana rocks, and Samwise Gamgee from the main set, since he's a better version of Gyome for half the mana cost. Also he has a very useful recursion ability stapled to him that synergizes pretty well with the precon since there are a lot of legendary creatures in the list. In addition from the main set, Meriadoc Brandybuck and Peregrin Took are great food synergy pieces.
just use Saruman as Commander for the Mordor deck and it will be much better i think
They did such an amazing job on the flavor for this set. As a huge Tolkien nerd, every card is referencing a specific in universe thing or event, and even the ones where Joe gets one of the references, there are further layers of reference he isn't getting. It is 🧑🍳💋
It’s too bad they ruined the art by race swapping
Toxic Deluge is a nod to the book ending of Return of the King, in which Saruman has taken over the Shire and enslaved the Hobbits. When Frodo and Sam get back it is completely changed.
Treebeard, Gracious Host is super underrated in Food and Fellowship. In a recent game I had Swiftfoot, Mithril Coat and fully loaded ring attached to him and I got him up to a 70/75 with Trample and Ward 2…
Frying pan either hits harder because you are well fed and re-energized after, or it is still hot (freshly made food). Not a stretch at all.
Best budget upgrades for the Mordor deck is to go to your LGS, dig through a War of the Spark bulk box then find those Amass cards and run Saruman 😁
Definitely weird how you equate BDSM with LGBTQ+. Bdsm isn't exclusive to the LGBTQ+ community, what a weird comment to put in the video.
Lol people have individual perspective . They're great guys, and I don't care about silly little things like that.
Love your content guys! Next to Tolarian, your my fav magic channel 👊❤️
Yeah i heard that and had to pause and think what with that card correlated with LGBTQ+, glad you pointed it out seems weird and out of place
Do you really care about the nuance of such base topics?
@@DarkInuyasha12 if you love anyone you'll be fair and assess their mistakes just as much as their successes.
@@stoiccrane4259 Yup, nuance is always a good thing to care about. Why would you train your mind to be superficial?
The Sauron deck needs to run Widespread Brutality as a cheap board wipe option that will leave him alive
The hobbits deck is def my favorite but the Rohan deck is by far the most powerful. These decks seem a lot more powerful than the 40k ones which is odd because 40k has characters who can blow up cities or planets.
I’m sad that The Gaffer’s flavor text didn’t finish the actual quote from the book: “Master Hamfast Gamgee was recognized as the leading authority by all in the neighborhood, including himself.”
Sword of Feast and Famine is not only a good add, it's totally "flavorful" in this food deck if you get my drift.
Elf-specific art on Overwhelming Stampede. Relevant.
Ok I *finally* used Moxfield and wow it's nice
Another happy customer!
34:27 Joe cherries: your subtheme in a goblin tribal deck is not reanimate
Me: *laughs in Wort, Bogart Auntie
41:00 The Thought Vessel in the Riders of Rohan deck is there to accommodate Kindred Discovery.
Looking sharp with the fresh cut, joe!
I made Sauron, the Dark Lord as my commander in the Mordor deck and balanced it out mana cost wise. And it runs absolutely great!
Most health I’ve gotten too with food and fellowship was 90, 1 game I probably gained over 200 life but not at once, I was getting hit for atleast 15-20 damage every turn and staying at 40 health the whole time
The Rohan deck is absolutely perfect
Wait but the second commander, Saruman, the white hand is insane especially for amass.
It's finally my turn, thank you guys for wishing me happy birthday! Love your videos!
You deserve it!
I bought all four decks and I will upgrade those just with lotr cards or cards which really fits in with flavor. 😌
I'm getting the Elven deck just for it's parts. I don't think I will actually even play the deck.
How many promos do i have to watch before the review starts?
Yay, lets reprint every card in precons so everything goes to $1. : D
Unironically yes. No piece of cardboard should cost more than $1
Proxy everything
@@MrAskmannen will it eventually cost more to proxy BOP? I mean aside from writing BOP on a plains card.
@akira136 too late for me 😒
@@teferitoots8043 i print out cards on paper on a 3x3 sheet and cut them out then i place them over draft chaff in a sleeve. Only cost is the sleeves cus i already had the chaff from when i foolishly used to give wotc money.
Yes please.
Gollum, Obsessive Stalker would go well with an emblem that does nothing on its own. Then Gollum has an effect that pings anyone who has the emblem.
Am I the only 1 that really likes Call for Unity in this deck? Every time you trigger a food you trigger revolt and that trigger always there so when you get Merry dropping out 1/1 white soldiers that become super strong based on however many counters are on call of unity. I pop my food tokens a ton so this get to be adding +8/8 pretty fast
Thanks for this video!!!
My personal goal is that I can only upgrade these decks with cards from the set itself, keep the flavour win +the upgrades wouldnt be that bad.
Built a nasty ishin deck this way, then upgraded from out of set
Speaking of liquor on cards I was playing some Imperium precon commander and I spilled my shot of tequila and I saldy did not have that same 3 level of card protection but we were quick to save and dry off the cards
Gyone could've been reflavored into Bert, the cook troll from the Hobbit
I found out that i had a bunch of used to be expensive cards in my old box I have forgotten about LOL... Now they are worth trash :(
What about Orcish Captain from the Dark in the Sauron deck? Hooray we finally got Orcs!
42:28 You missed to change the caption on the screen to "cut outs" of Riders of Rohan. So you know! But I love that you keep a reference in screen now.
It's comforting to know that I can save my cards from someone pouring vodka on them by triple sleeving, using a toploader, then a bullet proof case, in a bank, that I bury underground
Naw, you see. The frying pan... that deck especially is heavily theming life-gain around eating food, so the more life you've gained, theoretically the more food you've eaten. The more food you've eaten, the more food you've cooked with the frying pan to eat, so the pan gets extra hot. What's worse than getting struck with a heap of dense metal? Getting struck by a super hot heap of dense metal.
If you wanna be scientific, that hot frying pan does more damage when swung because hot things TECHNICALLY weighs more because of the heat added
I had fun with the Mordor deck with my playgroup last night. Agreed it’s probably the weakest of the four out of the box but I got better results with Saruman as the commander in the second game. It’s got potential to be a solid deck once upgraded for sure.
You're supposed to use the sub commander in the morder deck
I can tell they haven't actually played the mordor deck as the few games ive used it with its alt commander it pops off. The simic deck is the weakest.
18:10 well that's going in my Miirym dragons deck
Sauron is strong! Taking opponents permanents did work! We played all 4 of them directly out of the box. It was a really fun back and forth. Everyone did stuff. I played Sauron, but used sauroman as the commander. I ended up winning after taking the bat from the hobbit player, then swinging with my dragon that made 14 treasures because he had a ton of food out. I ended up winning from that bat I took from my opponent. The arcane denial stopped the humans player from killing the dragon on attack. Then sacrificing all the treasures knocked everyone out.
Thank you for reviewing these and putting time into the add/cut lists. My only nitpick if that most of the lotr pronunciation sucks 😅
Mordor may be the weakest out of the box but i think itd be to most fun to upgrade
I got Mordor and used alt commander after prerelease and won twice in a row. I think it is a mid to late game deck but people are sleeping on it.
26:57 hey guys if you didn’t get it, wotc is basically saying take a hot pie to the face with this card.
I wish they would not talk in terms of monetary value and say whether or not it’s worth it to buy this based on its performance in every day play or to take it to a Friday night magic and play there I get it the value of the cards is a big things but how well the cards play together is a big thing for me
Out of the boxes, the food token deck is by far the strongest deck out of all of them.
Have I told you Joe and Beezy how great you both look today? Pair of absolute stunners, save some for the rest of us hey? 😉
Never! Also thanks :)
"It's a trap." -Lord of the Rings
Lol, Beezy's dry delivery cracked me up
Jeskai commander deck gives so much tribal support. I love it
In looking forward to building Merry and Pippin personally, not a fan of the voting concept, will focus on Gandalf or Radagast for the simic commander
"Goblins don't reanimate, that's just not what they do"
Wort, boggart auntie sitting in the corner: 😐
Day 9 of guessing the Moxfield ad at 16:44
I'm really hyped for the jeskai precon, and Simic voting sounds like it could br really fun
Wonderful guess
Unfortunately they are way too expensive for me, otherwise I would have tried them.
I think that a cool sword like effect would have been a good add for the food and fellowship deck. Something like +2/+2, protection from creatures with lesser power and when it deals combat damage to a player create a food token and gain 3 life.
It’s called field tested frying pan. You’re welcome
Hey! Wondering when/if you will be doing a precon upgrade video for the new Wilds of Eldraine precons? I am very excited for the upcoming faerie one!
Cherries- “Humans like to MAKE earthquakes”
Beezy thinks- “That’s, by far, the dumbest thing you’ve ever said on the show!”
I feel like not reprinting Prosperous Innkeeper and putting them outside The Green Dragon was a missed opportunity for the food deck.
Edit: They did and I missed it. Lol
I mean they did reprint him but he’s behind a counter I think it still counts
@@dakotahmay6746 Oh snap, I must've missed that!
I’m so glad wizards actually put good reprints into these decks instead of another Zetalpa
Universes Within version of the walking dead comes out in December, I'm gonna grab a copy of the creature that has Rick, steadfast leader's abilities for sure.
Good thoughts, guys.
"Its a Trap!" - Admiral Arwen.
Classic LoTR reference Beezy!
Wasnt that admiral ackbar?
They're making the magic version of the Walking Dead cards with the new Wilds of Eldraine set boosters so hopefully the price drops
Eowyn’s abilities seem like they belong on theoden. I wish for flavor she was a transform card that started as an unnamed rider and when flipped let you search and cast merry for free
I appreciate the both of you reviewing the LOTR Pre-Cons. The upgrading cards will improve these decks. Thank you for the video Nitpicking Nerds.
I'm probably going to get the food and fellowship but I think the alternative commanders are better. I am in awe at how they didn't put Samwise Gamgee into the precon. Hidden gem of new cards is Mirkwood bats
Love the shirt Joe!
23:40 the ring bearer has skulk (can't be blocked by creatures with greater power)
Would you recommend triple sleeving over double sleeving?
Double and the card should be inserted upside down for the inner sleeve. The reason is nothing will ever get into that inner sleeve. Triple sleeving is definitely unnecessary if optimal protection is the goal.
At least quadruple sleeving
I know nothing of magic. My buddies been wanting me to play for years. I decided hat if we all get same set pre con then I shouldn’t have to worry about power creep or whatever. Anyways we are each getting a different one and I chose Sauron. What’s the best way to learn magic? 2 players are really good and I don’t want to get completely clapped when trying to learn 😂
It's not nessecary to focus this much on giving Frodo evasion. To get his trigger, he must be the ring-bearer, which automatically means he will have suedo-skulk.
Doesn’t seem like you guys understand the ring tempts you mechanic.
Could get a whole set for 170 euro, worth it?
yea it is worth like 200 euros so 170 is a great Deal
I'm a noob who is getting into MTG purely from LOTR. HELP me understand how Call for Unity isn't OP.
Call for Unity is pretty slow to get going; 5 mana for +1/+1 or +2/+2 to your creatures isn’t worth it compared to other options, +3/+3 is pretty good, but at that point you’re having to untap with this three times in a 4 player game. I’m not a big fan of these effects in general, but you could try out Flowering of the White Tree, Cathars’ Crusade, True Conviction, or Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite as alternatives. Hope this helps!
nitpicking nerds need to do a break down how they sound like a bad Billy Maze infomercial ... sweet god that was bad
I tap travis scott to go sicko mode meme is popping up when I'm looking at this 🤣
The only reason I can think of why Toxic Deluge was included in the food deck? Food poisoning. 😅 🤢
It's a reference to the battle of the shire when frodo and Sam return I believe
xX_Cloud_Xx Ha ha that's likely very true! I couldn't resist the joke, but I also get why the movies didn't include that scene from the books since it would have a cinematic downer ha ha.
so if mordor the worse deck out of the 4 why is this deck by far the most expensive commander deck?
Apology not accepted for lacking Amber
We screwed up
Will Marton spike right now or only after the first video of him stomping the table in this human jeskai shell?
I think they miss what sauron is about. Its meant to fight the table
the elf deck needed to be bant
need some deck tech videos boys
Why didn't you mention the gandalf commander that's in the elf deck???
They didnt even bring up how good merry and pippin are.
Archon of cruelty in EDH seems SO weak without giving it haste...youre recommending the "best" but at the same time saying its "fair"..I bet the best is not fair lol. Wheres Jin? Sire of insanity? Wheres animate dead, dance of the dead, etc?
One of my favorite synergies in the Riders of Rohan precon is Gilraen, Dunedain Protector and Éomer, King of Rohan. Blink it to give it lifelink, then smack someone for a ton of damage at the end of your turn and gain a bunch of life. Really good.
"Too greedily and too deep"
Gross
Not recommending Ezuri renegade leader for the Elven council deck? wow
Nice FTR shirt
As someone who regularly plays all precon commander games, I have to say, most of the Warhammer 40k decks are noticeably stronger than other precons.
Yeah, I play with a friend who has a decent selection of his own commander decks. Against all of my other pre-cons, he either wins or it's a decent match up. Against my 40k decks he just gets smashed so we tend to just play them against each other.