@@redtobertshateshandles yeah but who cares it looks cool and unusual so I'd get it over something regular if I was in the market for anything of the sort right now
I remember reading about the Neracar in Bike Magazine in the seventies. Probably an article by LKJ Setright who was a technical contributor at the time. He liked the hub steering concept. He said of a gentleman owner one of these prewar who was known for riding it down to the village whilst reading a newspaper, the machine was so stable.
I had a Yamaha GTS 1000, not hub centre but forkless with swing arm and anti dive geometry, did 35,000 mile on that bike.........it was genius on the brakes into bumpy corners.
One of many benefits is that the breaking effort that comes from the wheel at you depress the front break gets pushed into the bike rather than bending and shooting up the forks, tightening and stiffening turning efforts from the rider. Also the front wheels tend to have a more sensitive and responsive feedback as all the waste energy (bumps in the road, breaking etc), gets absorbed into the frame as its effectively directly connected to it, rather than partially the riders hands. Yes it's more parts which if not manufactured/maintained well can introduce play but ultimately it seems (from my limited research over the last few days), seems to be nothing but benefits!
A friend raced a sidecar outfit a (kneeler) with a Hillman imp engine and I'm sure that had a hub centre arrangement, it as with the leading link type have the advantage of keeping the wheelbase the same no matter where the suspension is unlike the telescopic fork type where it alters all the time.😎💕🖖
Dog owners and the 1905 Zenith beginning ~ 3:34 had to find some way to keep the two apart, especially in the case of puppies. But those leather belts are so smooth to run!
Though this aesthetically is awesome, is it a forward step in motorbike engineering? I am struggling to see the benefits of this system as an improvement? Or is it just that of engineering aesthetics? I would appreciate some feedback on this, as it really does seem very interesting indeed.
From what I understand, there are benefits to stability under breaking, although the benefits are outweighed by the fact that this type of suspension is usually much heavier than forks.
Contemporary to the production Tesi 1D (with the Ducati engine) there was the Yamaha GTS1000 along similar lines. Except that Yam pitched it as a beefy tourer rather than a sports bike. But, while a few of my mates had posters of naked ladies on their bedroom walls, I had a naked Tesi instead! I had my priorities...although at £25,000 (iirc) it was as unattainable then as now.
The GTS1000 used the Parker method, with a leading arm (single sided) to a ball joint in the centre of the front wheel, an upright conceptually similar to that of a car double wishbone set-up, and a wishbone with the second ball joint for the steering.
Disappointed not to see film of the Quasar. In a case of circularity, Phil Read, who often told a tale of being on his Guzzi LeMans and having trouble keeping up with a Quasar. Read turned up at Buckingham Palace to collect his MBE wearing a formal morning suit, having ridden there in a Quasar. Many years later I saw the Vyrus being displayed at Goodwood Festival Of Speed and I believe it was Read's son displaying the bike. I never understood how hub centre steering worked till I could physically grasp and move the steering components.
Lots of good points.I love the story of showing up for a formal gig in a suit, tho' I think he would have been obliged to wear a helmet. Take a good look, the Quasar used an Earles fork, not centre hub. Malcolm Newell, the engineer behind the Quasar did use some funny front ends on later machines
@@pashakdescilly7517 Just done some searching, the sales brochure describes the front suspension as leading link. If you go to Quasar World, there are photos of a Quasar without a bodyshell and all you can't see is the back end of the front't suspension. There is a photo of Phil Read complete with Quasar having collected his OBE. The Quasar had a capacious boot that would have held the top hat. I can't remember if I've actually seen a Quasar in the flesh. I certainly did see a lot of FF motorcycles at the Festival Of 1000 Bikes one year, and it was there I first played with a hub centre steering unit to understand what is happening. From Quasar World I went on to read some work by Royce Creasey but as it is 40 years since I failed my A-Level physics my reading is slow to try and make any sense of it.
@@COIcultist Ah, Royce, the great advocate of the Foot Forward revolution. I saw a prototype of his in the early '90s, intended to lead to production. It had centre hub of the Mead and Tomkinson variety - that's an evolution of the Difazio. Instead of a kingpin inside the hub, it has a ball joint there, the disc carriers also mount a second ball joint above the tyre, with a wishbone to locate it.
theres me old difazio ducati 750ss with the imola alloy petrol tank, built by difazio from Frome , a changed the silences to megas and the shocks as you can see, the old silencers were dunstals and looked to long plus they had a few rust spots, yer a swapped it for an 650 bsa a10 he sold it on to someone in Germany , my name will be on the v5 a think jack built it in the early 70s , it looks better off the stand who ever had it on display could of made a better job of those numbers on the side of the bike
Ask any proper motorcycle engineer and he'll tell you why hub centre steering is so good... Girders are Crap... I have them on my BSA, and 'Teles' have their disadvantages too but they have come a long way. Do some research....
it was different times back then. they didn't have internet and inventors were more free to be creative. vehicles these days are all the same just with different bodies on them and its boring. the wildly imaginative inventions of the past are all but museum relics today. Creative engineering is near dead in today's time. no one uses their brain to think outside the box anymore and its sad. sport bikes all look the same regardless of who built them its only a popularity battle these days.
Підтвердження того, що нове є забуте старе 😉
Дякую за цікавий відеоролик!
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Ner-A-Car💣💣💣
You always post the coolest stuff on your Channel. Thank you!
Zenith Bi-car is very Cool!!
I've loved this type of steering/suspension since I first saw it. The thumbnail looks amazing.
It's what designers don't say that matters. Expensive and terrible turning circle????
@@redtobertshateshandles yeah but who cares it looks cool and unusual so I'd get it over something regular if I was in the market for anything of the sort right now
Those Bimota's are real Italian Jewels :-). Amazing!!
I remember reading about the Neracar in Bike Magazine in the seventies. Probably an article by LKJ Setright who was a technical contributor at the time. He liked the hub steering concept. He said of a gentleman owner one of these prewar who was known for riding it down to the village whilst reading a newspaper, the machine was so stable.
enjoyed watching great movie, lovely old bike bravo
Really cool video 👍
Nett wie immer Deine Videos. Have a nice weekend Tino
拆除所有的附属装饰，留下车架 马达 轮胎 ，显示出完美的身材
那才是最美的 👍
I remember I seen the Suzuki Nuda at a motorcycle show in Dublin around 1988..I think that had centre hub steering
@ 2.20 I thought Gustavo Fring had turned up looking for Walter White 🤣😂😁 Great video, thanks for sharing 😊
I had a Yamaha GTS 1000, not hub centre but forkless with swing arm and anti dive geometry, did 35,000 mile on that bike.........it was genius on the brakes into bumpy corners.
Exquisite..👌👌👌💥💥
What is the advantage of this type of steering. Seems overly complicated. I'm no expert on this.?
My thoughts exactly
One of many benefits is that the breaking effort that comes from the wheel at you depress the front break gets pushed into the bike rather than bending and shooting up the forks, tightening and stiffening turning efforts from the rider. Also the front wheels tend to have a more sensitive and responsive feedback as all the waste energy (bumps in the road, breaking etc), gets absorbed into the frame as its effectively directly connected to it, rather than partially the riders hands. Yes it's more parts which if not manufactured/maintained well can introduce play but ultimately it seems (from my limited research over the last few days), seems to be nothing but benefits!
Thanks for your insight. 🙏
It was great 👍👍👍👍
Check the Johammer J1, also using a hub direction system but since 2013, and it's electric...
A friend raced a sidecar outfit a (kneeler) with a Hillman imp engine and I'm sure that had a hub centre arrangement, it as with the leading link type have the advantage of keeping the wheelbase the same no matter where the suspension is unlike the telescopic fork type where it alters all the time.😎💕🖖
Dog owners and the 1905 Zenith beginning ~ 3:34 had to find some way to keep the two apart, especially in the case of puppies. But those leather belts are so smooth to run!
Wild
Wow 🏍️👍🖖
Explain what it is and why.
Though this aesthetically is awesome, is it a forward step in motorbike engineering? I am struggling to see the benefits of this system as an improvement? Or is it just that of engineering aesthetics? I would appreciate some feedback on this, as it really does seem very interesting indeed.
From what I understand, there are benefits to stability under breaking, although the benefits are outweighed by the fact that this type of suspension is usually much heavier than forks.
@@jacobburges1374 thanx for that info, cheers
Nerd Car sounds like a Tecumseh or a Briggs & Stratton running straight off the head with no exhaust system at all
Missed out the italjet more produced then all the rest together
BIMOTA: senza parole....
The Neracar would be OK with a four stroke engine. But I'll take the MHR or Laverda endurance racer...... Make it the Laverda.
Contemporary to the production Tesi 1D (with the Ducati engine) there was the Yamaha GTS1000 along similar lines. Except that Yam pitched it as a beefy tourer rather than a sports bike. But, while a few of my mates had posters of naked ladies on their bedroom walls, I had a naked Tesi instead! I had my priorities...although at £25,000 (iirc) it was as unattainable then as now.
Forgot about the GTS1000
Are you still a virgin? 😁
The GTS1000 used the Parker method, with a leading arm (single sided) to a ball joint in the centre of the front wheel, an upright conceptually similar to that of a car double wishbone set-up, and a wishbone with the second ball joint for the steering.
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重型機車中的「祖先」?！ 🤩🤩🤩
Sowas hat BMW schon in den 80er Jahren gebaut.
Disappointed not to see film of the Quasar. In a case of circularity, Phil Read, who often told a tale of being on his Guzzi LeMans and having trouble keeping up with a Quasar. Read turned up at Buckingham Palace to collect his MBE wearing a formal morning suit, having ridden there in a Quasar. Many years later I saw the Vyrus being displayed at Goodwood Festival Of Speed and I believe it was Read's son displaying the bike.
I never understood how hub centre steering worked till I could physically grasp and move the steering components.
Lots of good points.I love the story of showing up for a formal gig in a suit, tho' I think he would have been obliged to wear a helmet.
Take a good look, the Quasar used an Earles fork, not centre hub. Malcolm Newell, the engineer behind the Quasar did use some funny front ends on later machines
@@pashakdescilly7517 Just done some searching, the sales brochure describes the front suspension as leading link. If you go to Quasar World, there are photos of a Quasar without a bodyshell and all you can't see is the back end of the front't suspension. There is a photo of Phil Read complete with Quasar having collected his OBE. The Quasar had a capacious boot that would have held the top hat. I can't remember if I've actually seen a Quasar in the flesh. I certainly did see a lot of FF motorcycles at the Festival Of 1000 Bikes one year, and it was there I first played with a hub centre steering unit to understand what is happening. From Quasar World I went on to read some work by Royce Creasey but as it is 40 years since I failed my A-Level physics my reading is slow to try and make any sense of it.
@@COIcultist Ah, Royce, the great advocate of the Foot Forward revolution. I saw a prototype of his in the early '90s, intended to lead to production. It had centre hub of the Mead and Tomkinson variety - that's an evolution of the Difazio. Instead of a kingpin inside the hub, it has a ball joint there, the disc carriers also mount a second ball joint above the tyre, with a wishbone to locate it.
Where is the yamaha GTS
theres me old difazio ducati 750ss with the imola alloy petrol tank, built by difazio from Frome , a changed the silences to megas and the shocks as you can see, the old silencers were dunstals and looked to long plus they had a few rust spots, yer a swapped it for an 650 bsa a10 he sold it on to someone in Germany , my name will be on the v5 a think jack built it in the early 70s , it looks better off the stand who ever had it on display could of made a better job of those numbers on the side of the bike
Idk if Neracar pronounce is like but neraka means hell in Malay
Our grand grand pa what the hell where they thinking ??
@7:40 What kind of finishing do you expect when the throttle grip does NOT cover the plastic????
Why bother with the extra complexity when teles or even girders work perfectly well?
Ask any proper motorcycle engineer and he'll tell you why hub centre steering is so good... Girders are Crap... I have them on my BSA, and 'Teles' have their disadvantages too but they have come a long way.
Do some research....
Try looking up the majestic motorcycle , hub steering and enclosed engine ,about 40 years ahead of it`s time
czcams.com/video/DR6VW--tESM/video.html
Why must there always be a tw@t that feels the need to rev an engine? Do they do that to their car or their lawnmower?
Over engineering, too expensive, too many parts, doesn't turn as sharp as conventional. May have a smoother ride
it was different times back then. they didn't have internet and inventors were more free to be creative.
vehicles these days are all the same just with different bodies on them and its boring. the wildly imaginative inventions of the past are all but museum relics today.
Creative engineering is near dead in today's time. no one uses their brain to think outside the box anymore and its sad.
sport bikes all look the same regardless of who built them its only a popularity battle these days.
@@darkshadowsx5949 exatly what av been saying for decades