I just watched the first 5 minutes of the video. I already really like the concept: 1. selling animals as living creatures, not as a gimmick 2. giving them space I'm from Germany and here it is forbidden by law to keep snakes (except for juveniles) in racks. The minimum amount of space for an adult sanke is his body lengs 1x0,5x0,5 (lxhxw) so a 4 foot snake needs a 4 by 2 by 2 enclosure. That reduces the number of animals you can keep, but you can enjoy them way more than stuffed into small boxes.
Nein,dass ist Bullshit Königspythons darf man in Racks halten,ist wohl Artenbeschränkt aber dein Kommentar stimmt dennoch nicht Würde wohl aber noch auf's Bundesland ankommen
Hey men I live in Belgium. Here we're only allowed to keep 147 snake species. The biggest snake we can keep or BCI and BCC. So no burms or retics. What's the law in Germany? Btw I have a male aberrant cali king that's 4months young. He's a sweethart and also very curious.👍🐍
I've handled two baby retics at my local reptile shop, unaware of the negative reputation they sometimes carry. Also a 25 foot old lady at a zoo workshop - so tame that toddlers could stroke her head and nose! I thought they were all wonderful - very personable, curious and very easy to handle (babies not giant one! 😉) once you've earned their trust. They are super intelligent animals and in looks they are the definitive Jungle Book snake. They look 'velvety'. Definitely misunderstood and very, very special. Super Dwarfs are on my dream wish list - but how on earth do you choose between all those amazing morphs? 🤔 (think those super tigers might win though, wow). Thanks Dav and Garrett for showing us some of these gorgeous snakes 🤗🐍 More videos together please - how about a joint trip to some of those islands to see them in the wild? 👍 PS - you need one of those tiny homes on wheels, with a whole interior wall converted into tanks so you can take your animals travelling with you Dav! (well at least around the US!)
The one he brings out at 19:54 but never says the locality name(I need to know!)was the most gorgeous one in my opinion, fantastic looking snake! Granted they all look great, but this one takes the prize for me.
I have watched a lot of Garret’s videos. While I’m not really a selective breeding enthusiast, I think the care he gives his animals is as good as it can be given the size of his collection and the space he has. And, whether you’re into morphs or not, he has bred stunning animals. I like his shelf idea for the snakes. Thanks Dav for another highly enjoyable video.
Great video of garrats place. He is way different and even ahead of many breeders and has a great attitude to boot. He talks in a way in which is easily understood for those of us who haven't done this for twenty years .. I love his channel even though I will prob never want any retic well maybe a super small one . But he's a great influence and amasador for the reptile hobby and world ... So two great guys in the reptile world together ...
When I bought my snake I got him from basically the best breeders in my country :) I think it's really important to get animals from breeders that really care about their animals :)
I think Garrett is my favorite retic lol he thinks like them knows their ins and outs so well he is an amazing person in the Reptile community. Awesome video 💪🏼🔥💪🏼
Dude, Garret is the SD King! I love listening to him nerd out on localities and genetics. He’s got some really great videos out there that are super informative and you gotta love his style! Need I say more? Thanks again for another great video. BTW Dāv, what did you end up with when you went shopping at Reach Out Reptiles? 🤘🏻🐍
I'm still shopping. lol. I want to get a really nice male to go with the female we already have, so we're talking about some things. I'm definitely getting it from Garrett though.
Great video.. My wife agreed its cool to get into sd/d retics somewhat skeptical as she remembers the big guys we had back in the late 80's and traded some emails with garret. After showing her this vid she's on board 100% and is more excited than I am to hopefully get one soon!!!
I owe Garret so many thanks, because of his incubator videos I've been hatching out 100% of all my viable ball python eggs and his incubation methods have taken most of the worry around egg incubation out of the picture for me. I really don't know why more breeders don't use his method it's fool proof and trust me I know fool!
My Favorite retic of all time is a Super Tiger! Those super tiger dwarf ?? Are so STUNNING!! I'm so amazed at the Care and Passion that's put in to this work. This is what Pure Driven Passion looks like. I'm Truly Grateful to be able to witness and get a glimpse into this. This might the closest I'll ever be to such Stunning Creatures. Thank You
I've seen Garrett's videos and I really liked them but I never knew he had so much knowledge and so many awesome snakes! Thanks for going there. you both rock!
Omg I’m not a retic guy at all but that first retic you brought outside to show off, the “normal” version in super dwarf size, was STUNNING. Absolutely beautiful snake
I really enjoyed this guy! I just started my own hognose hobby breeder project and I am really striving to do a bit more for them. They have enrichment and can burrow along with larger tubs. I also really care about my snakes temperament and want them accustomed to handling before they’re sold. Now that said I understand that I can do this because I have a much smaller operation, not knocking the more experienced guys doing it differently than me.. it’s just how I am choosing to do things. But I appreciate his perspective and it was cool to hear what he had to say!
Outstanding!!! He has nailed it! True super dwarfs the best of the best in a small package. And manageable size but the same look as the mainland retics! Revolutionary and such a serious breeder! Rock On!! Retics are so amazing but they get so big its hard to find forever responsible homes. So much work well deserved! Wow!
Hey i love listening to garrets dwarf super dwarf island history an island the size of central park that is so amazing never stop working do ur thing id love to check u out someday
I am obsessed with the Madu Kalotoa male. For me the draw to the SD animals has to do with what Garrett talks about. One tsunami and these animals are gone! Not only is he bringing retics to those who don't want a huge snake but he's preserving a species
My third time watching this video. I have officially changed my mind on retics and, once I have the space, my next snake will be from Reach Out Reptiles. ❤️
Overnight success took 15 years, but your star is rising Garrett. You are the face of the dwarf/sd retic market. Your branding, while not flashy, is effective. Great and amazing work. Some of the most beautiful animals. I have seen in herpetoculture
Awesome content as always. 👍🏻 I got to mention that in almost every intro you do in your vlogs when you often look right in the camera and slowly walk forward it looks like you are floating or stand on a like a segway or something and just levitate slowly forward. Almost every time, I think that looks really cool. (:
@@davkaufmansreptileadventures Hahaha! I knew it! (; If I could travel the world and see wildlife like you then maybe I would levitate too of pure exitement. (:
Wow this video is very informative, specially because there is no books or guidelines that specificly talks about dwarf and superdwarf bloodline, thank you for sharing and i looking foward to another retics video. Btw you should make some videos about what happen when you cross mainland morphs with dwarfs morphs, keep making videos 🙏 Sorry for bad grammar, im from indonesia and still practicing english, any correction related to spelling and grammar would be very helpful 🤘
Holy shit im a carpet python guy like u said and i fuckin dig the one u brought outside omg the dwarfs are amazing wow garrett is doing amazing work super knowledge
Would give an arm and a leg well not literally to have one of these. l am a carpet python person and yes l love the active, curious snakes that love nothing more then to come out and climb aroung. If only l could, smart pythons that l would love to work with. Great video Dav and love Garrett and seeing his SDs. Could sit and look at his retics all day. l would have anyone one of them no favorite for me they are all beautiful.
I just watched reachouts collab vid with aiden and kev from nerd im glad i found u guys i subscribed to both channels loved reach outs freedom breeder inside look and protype caging great stuff awsome work
Reticulated pythons are amazing. I've had several mainland ones that were almost 20 feet long and a couple that were 15 and 16 feet. They were my gentle giants.
My favorite is definitely that snow GC, that little dude is a stunner for sure! Retics retain their color better than boa and ball python in my opinion, I just can't have them in my house because of their size(well I used to have one I was too young to know at that point), I wish I could own SD retics someday. By the way I really want to buy one of his incubator.
So glad you got to collaborate with G man. You two are among my absolute favorite Herp-Tubers. Love you both! Any chance you will be catching SW CarpetFest at Brian Kusko’s house?
Garrett has some increadable critters and the history of them all and the islands is fascinating! Wow 2 years ago things have changed! Karaumpa ON! He just cut his first clutch of Karaumpas a couple days ago first in captivity in like 10 years.... He has the vid. Increadable. Brought it down to the 12% Half way back half way back never will get completely back but will be smaller.... right :-) Parthenogenesis is the Mostis! To me personally now after binge watching Garrets vids his snakes have that Beautiful Carpet Fabric pattern, patterns, colors. Good vid. Rattle ON! More Cow Bell! :-)
Wow this was crazy. I learned so much from this video. Thanks Dav. That super tiger was just amazing but the variety was wild and they all have their strong points for sure. Thanks for this late sleepless night education!
Excellent and awesome vid Dav!!👌👍 And his knowledge is out of this world,thanks to both of ya for that wonderful experience! And definitely the Super Tiger..👍 Rattle on baby!! 🐍
Hi Garrett this is my first visit to your blog. Your snakes are beautiful. My favorite is the golden child snow. I will watch you again. You have so much knowledge about snakes. Cindy
I just watched the first 5 minutes of the video.
I already really like the concept:
1. selling animals as living creatures, not as a gimmick
2. giving them space
I'm from Germany and here it is forbidden by law to keep snakes (except for juveniles) in racks. The minimum amount of space for an adult sanke is his body lengs 1x0,5x0,5 (lxhxw) so a 4 foot snake needs a 4 by 2 by 2 enclosure.
That reduces the number of animals you can keep, but you can enjoy them way more than stuffed into small boxes.
Damn, I wish everywhere had the same rule as Germany 😂
Nein,dass ist Bullshit
Königspythons darf man in Racks halten,ist wohl Artenbeschränkt aber dein Kommentar stimmt dennoch nicht
Würde wohl aber noch auf's Bundesland ankommen
Hey men I live in Belgium. Here we're only allowed to keep 147 snake species. The biggest snake we can keep or BCI and BCC. So no burms or retics. What's the law in Germany?
Btw I have a male aberrant cali king that's 4months young. He's a sweethart and also very curious.👍🐍
I would use the word "Industrial" to describe Garrett's interior decorating preference.
For sure!
Thats what you get when you go to Pittsburgh
Garrett's the man! Incredible guy that's really earned his stellar reputation!
Couldn't agree more!
wow! i have much respect for garrett and the way he keeps and handles his animals, and some day if i get a retic, i’ll get it from no other breeder!
That motley golden child was absolutely stunning. Garrett is an awesome guy I've watched for quite a while now. Glad you got to go hang out with him.
It was an awesome few days
Always wanted a retic!...just not a 20' one. Now, I'm nervous about buying elsewhere. I want to KNOW my snake won't get too big for me to care for 😅
Always gotta go with a dedicated SD breeder!
See I agree I always thought they all still to big but maybe not .. gonna have to spend a lot of money for a coffee cup and Tin lol.
Sounds like you need a ball python.
20"*
Juan Carlos Campos I already have one of those. I’d like a dwarf retic. As I said
Really making me reconsider having a Retic Dav.....
We love ours
Holy smokes, those are some beautiful animals! Hats off to Garrett for his dedication to the breed.
I've handled two baby retics at my local reptile shop, unaware of the negative reputation they sometimes carry. Also a 25 foot old lady at a zoo workshop - so tame that toddlers could stroke her head and nose! I thought they were all wonderful - very personable, curious and very easy to handle (babies not giant one! 😉) once you've earned their trust. They are super intelligent animals and in looks they are the definitive Jungle Book snake. They look 'velvety'. Definitely misunderstood and very, very special. Super Dwarfs are on my dream wish list - but how on earth do you choose between all those amazing morphs? 🤔 (think those super tigers might win though, wow). Thanks Dav and Garrett for showing us some of these gorgeous snakes 🤗🐍 More videos together please - how about a joint trip to some of those islands to see them in the wild? 👍 PS - you need one of those tiny homes on wheels, with a whole interior wall converted into tanks so you can take your animals travelling with you Dav! (well at least around the US!)
We actually talked about that trip when I was there! I really should look into a mobile home. I'd save a lot on mortgage, etc lol
Ka from the Jungle Book is actually supposed to be a reticulated python, if I recall correctly. So the "Jungle Book snake" thing seems fitting.
@@illoney5663 I believe he’s an Indian Python
I never thought hearing Dāv Kaufman say "you gotta boop the snoot" would bring me such joy, but here I am.
Lol!
The one he brings out at 19:54 but never says the locality name(I need to know!)was the most gorgeous one in my opinion, fantastic looking snake! Granted they all look great, but this one takes the prize for me.
dont know if you found in the mean time, but its a sulawesi locality - we got a few in europe over the past few years. they look really nice
This is my favorite guy whose been on the show. He seems so genuine and down to earth. While being clearly knowledgeable and passionate
Yes! Genuine and down to earth - pretty typical Pittsburgher!
Garrett is an wealth of knowledge.. as the same as you.. I've learned more from you than any other reptile keeper/breeder
Glad to hear that!
@@davkaufmansreptileadventures thank you for responding back.you are the only one to ever respond back..#salute
#respect
I have watched a lot of Garret’s videos. While I’m not really a selective breeding enthusiast, I think the care he gives his animals is as good as it can be given the size of his collection and the space he has. And, whether you’re into morphs or not, he has bred stunning animals. I like his shelf idea for the snakes. Thanks Dav for another highly enjoyable video.
Glad you enjoyed John
Great video of garrats place. He is way different and even ahead of many breeders and has a great attitude to boot. He talks in a way in which is easily understood for those of us who haven't done this for twenty years .. I love his channel even though I will prob never want any retic well maybe a super small one . But he's a great influence and amasador for the reptile hobby and world ... So two great guys in the reptile world together ...
Totally agree!
man thats cool you let snakes out to stretch and be a snake.
When I bought my snake I got him from basically the best breeders in my country :) I think it's really important to get animals from breeders that really care about their animals :)
I think Garrett is my favorite retic lol he thinks like them knows their ins and outs so well he is an amazing person in the Reptile community. Awesome video 💪🏼🔥💪🏼
LOL
Dude, Garret is the SD King! I love listening to him nerd out on localities and genetics. He’s got some really great videos out there that are super informative and you gotta love his style! Need I say more? Thanks again for another great video. BTW Dāv, what did you end up with when you went shopping at Reach Out Reptiles? 🤘🏻🐍
I'm still shopping. lol. I want to get a really nice male to go with the female we already have, so we're talking about some things. I'm definitely getting it from Garrett though.
Im not a retic keeper but always wondered about the SD retic, fantastic video and really well explained. Thanks guys!
Great video.. My wife agreed its cool to get into sd/d retics somewhat skeptical as she remembers the big guys we had back in the late 80's and traded some emails with garret. After showing her this vid she's on board 100% and is more excited than I am to hopefully get one soon!!!
Nice!
I miss your videos Garrett. I know you have a lot going on, but when are you going to start doing vlogs again?
Soon!
@@ReachOutReptiles Dude, please. This was amazing to listen to. More of you geeking out please
I owe Garret so many thanks, because of his incubator videos I've been hatching out 100% of all my viable ball python eggs and his incubation methods have taken most of the worry around egg incubation out of the picture for me. I really don't know why more breeders don't use his method it's fool proof and trust me I know fool!
My Favorite retic of all time is a Super Tiger! Those super tiger dwarf ?? Are so STUNNING!! I'm so amazed at the Care and Passion that's put in to this work. This is what Pure Driven Passion looks like. I'm Truly Grateful to be able to witness and get a glimpse into this. This might the closest I'll ever be to such Stunning Creatures. Thank You
I've seen Garrett's videos and I really liked them but I never knew he had so much knowledge and so many awesome snakes! Thanks for going there. you both rock!
Thanks Andy!
"Its an accumulation of everything great everything has done". -Reach Out Reptiles Love this quote 👏😍🤎🐍
Omg I’m not a retic guy at all but that first retic you brought outside to show off, the “normal” version in super dwarf size, was STUNNING. Absolutely beautiful snake
He seems like a really nice guy and he treats his babies well. I’d buy off him if I lived in the same country! 🐍🐍🐍
I really enjoyed this guy! I just started my own hognose hobby breeder project and I am really striving to do a bit more for them. They have enrichment and can burrow along with larger tubs. I also really care about my snakes temperament and want them accustomed to handling before they’re sold. Now that said I understand that I can do this because I have a much smaller operation, not knocking the more experienced guys doing it differently than me.. it’s just how I am choosing to do things. But I appreciate his perspective and it was cool to hear what he had to say!
full of yourself.
Outstanding!!! He has nailed it! True super dwarfs the best of the best in a small package. And manageable size but the same look as the mainland retics! Revolutionary and such a serious breeder! Rock On!!
Retics are so amazing but they get so big its hard to find forever responsible homes.
So much work well deserved! Wow!
Hey i love listening to garrets dwarf super dwarf island history an island the size of central park that is so amazing never stop working do ur thing id love to check u out someday
Garrett is awesome...his knowledge about and dedication to dwarf and superdwarf retics is incredible! Great video, Dav!!
I agree!
I really like that this guy really cares about the health of his animals. Doesn't just see them as money-making machine.
I am obsessed with the Madu Kalotoa male. For me the draw to the SD animals has to do with what Garrett talks about. One tsunami and these animals are gone! Not only is he bringing retics to those who don't want a huge snake but he's preserving a species
That's unfortunately true, and just a more solid argument for the invisible ark. .
Dav, I'm not a snake person but I enjoyed and LEARNED quite a bit from this video. Thank you for sharing. Wally
So glad to hear that Wally!
My third time watching this video. I have officially changed my mind on retics and, once I have the space, my next snake will be from Reach Out Reptiles. ❤️
So well done Dav! I absolutley fell in love with what Garret is doing. I need to move stastes so I can get a bunch of them lol.
Thank you!
I just bought my First snake!! Jeeves is a 62.5%Kolotoa SD Golden Child Retic and Iam happy as a new father!
Gotta say the motley tiger and super tiger were just nuts.
I know, right?
I got to meet him and some of his snakes at the Steel City Expo, it was awesome. His animals and him are awesome. :)
Overnight success took 15 years, but your star is rising Garrett. You are the face of the dwarf/sd retic market. Your branding, while not flashy, is effective. Great and amazing work. Some of the most beautiful animals. I have seen in herpetoculture
I recently purchased a 75% superdwarf female and I am soo excited to raise her up and see her beauty in person
Right on..many people are using them as commodities!! Bringing down the community
Sounds like a case of island dwarfism. So cool!
That's exactly it. ;)
Awesome content as always. 👍🏻 I got to mention that in almost every intro you do in your vlogs when you often look right in the camera and slowly walk forward it looks like you are floating or stand on a like a segway or something and just levitate slowly forward. Almost every time, I think that looks really cool. (:
Lol! What makes you think I'm not levitating?
@@davkaufmansreptileadventures Hahaha! I knew it! (; If I could travel the world and see wildlife like you then maybe I would levitate too of pure exitement. (:
Wow this video is very informative, specially because there is no books or guidelines that specificly talks about dwarf and superdwarf bloodline, thank you for sharing and i looking foward to another retics video. Btw you should make some videos about what happen when you cross mainland morphs with dwarfs morphs, keep making videos 🙏
Sorry for bad grammar, im from indonesia and still practicing english, any correction related to spelling and grammar would be very helpful 🤘
What a great idea for a hide box, to use half a bucket!
Holy shit im a carpet python guy like u said and i fuckin dig the one u brought outside omg the dwarfs are amazing wow garrett is doing amazing work super knowledge
Snow stuff got to love it I think super dwarf stuff is amazing all the retic in a smaller more manageable size
Love the snow stuff!
Would give an arm and a leg well not literally to have one of these. l am a carpet python person and yes l love the active, curious snakes that love nothing more then to come out and climb aroung. If only l could, smart pythons that l would love to work with. Great video Dav and love Garrett and seeing his SDs. Could sit and look at his retics all day. l would have anyone one of them no favorite for me they are all beautiful.
I couldn't pick a favorite either
@@davkaufmansreptileadventures LOL
I love when my favorite youtubers get together. Fantastic video! Garrett is amazing. So are his snakes!
We had a blast hanging out for a few days
I need to get into this project. A manageable retic is my dream animal
Amazing stuff ,,, woah the Iridescent's of them all ,,,, woooooshhhhh ,, keep rolling '
Damn that're awesome snakes! I love to hear Garett speak with so much passion for the snakes!👍🐍
I’ve been watching Garret since he started his channel! Great video
Nice! Glad you enjoyed!
Great vid Dav! Garret is the sd king! I love all the knowledge he dropped on us here! 😄👌
I just watched reachouts collab vid with aiden and kev from nerd im glad i found u guys i subscribed to both channels loved reach outs freedom breeder inside look and protype caging great stuff awsome work
Reticulated pythons are amazing. I've had several mainland ones that were almost 20 feet long and a couple that were 15 and 16 feet. They were my gentle giants.
So great! Found this after the clint live collaboration. Very interesting stuff.
Two of my favorite people!
THanks!
Amazing I am starting to be a retic lover .
Amazing video. Lots of great information. Loved those babies in the incubator. Some of them had some awesome purple! Tigers were beautiful as well.
Boa pattern almost wow there realy that rare huh unbelievable im gonna follow u guys for ever great stuff
My favorite is definitely that snow GC, that little dude is a stunner for sure! Retics retain their color better than boa and ball python in my opinion, I just can't have them in my house because of their size(well I used to have one I was too young to know at that point), I wish I could own SD retics someday. By the way I really want to buy one of his incubator.
Yes, they do hold their color much better into adulthood. Hopefully you can get one some day
So glad you got to collaborate with G man. You two are among my absolute favorite Herp-Tubers. Love you both! Any chance you will be catching SW CarpetFest at Brian Kusko’s house?
Thanks! I probably won't be there
I'll be there!
Love learning about the different types of retic
My fave was the golden snow child, second was the super tiger 😍
The one with the green and lavender is my fav. Someday I will have one of these beautiful snakes from Garrett!
Garrett has some increadable critters and the history of them all and the islands is fascinating! Wow 2 years ago things have changed! Karaumpa ON! He just cut his first clutch of Karaumpas a couple days ago first in captivity in like 10 years.... He has the vid. Increadable. Brought it down to the 12% Half way back half way back never will get completely back but will be smaller.... right :-) Parthenogenesis is the Mostis! To me personally now after binge watching Garrets vids his snakes have that Beautiful Carpet Fabric pattern, patterns, colors. Good vid. Rattle ON! More Cow Bell! :-)
Omg that one you guys took outside was absolutely majestic!!! The first one.
You always bring something new to the table for us to learn about. Much appreciated Dave.
Love what you do sir... the gold standard...
i love garrett and reach out reptiles , im still determined to get my first sd from him
Wow this was crazy. I learned so much from this video. Thanks Dav. That super tiger was just amazing but the variety was wild and they all have their strong points for sure. Thanks for this late sleepless night education!
Dav this was an awesome video I have to watch it again just to make sure I didnt miss anything .....Keep up the great work my friend
Thanks bro!
I liked that axanthic motley such a super pretty snake!
Excellent and awesome vid Dav!!👌👍 And his knowledge is out of this world,thanks to both of ya for that wonderful experience!
And definitely the Super Tiger..👍
Rattle on baby!! 🐍
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
That purple was awesome
Rattle on Dav
Rattle On Lance!
Garrett needs to start a series of just talking about the super drawls locals and such. Let us all geek out.
My favourites were the super tiger and the tiger. BEAUTIFUL Super Dwarfs OMG
The supper tiger by far!!!!!!!!
Wasn’t that incredible?
Dāv Kaufman's Reptile Adventures yes very beautiful!!!!
Purple albino my favorite just got one from Bob Clark thinking on a sd next
The snow is awesome
Hi Garrett this is my first visit to your blog. Your snakes are beautiful. My favorite is the golden child snow. I will watch you again. You have so much knowledge about snakes. Cindy
This was the best info ive ever got watching a video garrett you passionate brother respect that dosnt happen over night
Nice one 👍😁😁👍 Dav
Thanks!
Super dwarf retics are awesome Snakes really cool Morphs
Great video I love the super dwarfs 👍🏻
Thanks!
Such an amazing video as always! These snakes are beautiful! Maybe I'll own one, one day!
What an informative video!! Loved it!
wow can't choose they all really cool tfs😌
Wow this guy knows his retics i cant even believe u got that convo. love for the retic respect
Dav gets whatever he wants when he comes to Pittsburgh!
Awesome video! This guy clearly has a very genuine passion for this.
I think Garrett just needs to send the two at 20:00 and 28:51 right on over here. Great video
Dang this guy is awesome! I’m definitely gonna buy one of his snakes!!
28:10 that is the perfect seize for me! 🙌🏾 ❤
"I don't sell these to retic guys, I sell them to carpet python guy's"
As a carpet python lover I 100% agree with this statement
Very informative video, thanks.
Love Garretts stuff I wish Iowa would allow retic ownership! Oh we can have Berm's but not retics UGH!!!! @^%$#*(^%$#@ lol
Some laws are just stupid
@THE DARK KNIGHT'S REPUBLICAN It is called idiots in politics!!
@@davkaufmansreptileadventures Aggravating to say the least
I'll take on of each!!