I was checking those printers out and watched your video, great info and thanks for sharing. Checking out the price of the cartridges: The 25 ml for the P700 are now (nov 22) € 26.50 The 50 ml for the P900 are now (nov 22) € 35.50 So for € 9.00 more you get double the quantity So the price difference from around € 400,- will be earned back in frequent use (+ also comes standard with more ink) Choosing the 900 over the 700 makes sense indeed.
Hello Keith, firstly thank you Sir for all your many great, insightful and interesting videos. I am a freelance Illustrator and watching this particular video has convinced me that the P700 is best for me (not the P900) Most of my images contain a lot of vacant space (not total full page colour bleed) and I will only be printing at A3. All the best from Essex :)
Thank you very much for this video. I chose the P 700 printer as I rarely print lager than the A3+ size with the exception of panoramic prints. If I need a larger print I will outsource the printing to a professional photo lab. The inclusion of the roll holder within the P 700 as opposed to an extra cost and size of the roll adapter for the P 900 made the choice a little easier. I chose the Epson over the various Canon printers including the latest models for this ability to print long panoramic prints that Canon just doesn’t allow.. Thanks again for your expertise and sharing your knowledge in these videos!
Thank you for the review. I was stuck trying to decide between the two (replacing a deceased R2400, a 13" max like P700). I think this settles the debate )for me): P900 it is.
If you want more detail and not seen it, do check the main [written] reviews at www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/ The real detail always goes into my written reviews [+ they can be edited/updated/corrected!]
Straight forward, super helpful and easy to follow showing everything with examples. Thank you very much as I am looking into printers and thisbhas been one of the most helpful. I also like the raw presentation of this video too!
Thanks for your videos Mr Cooper! I´ve just got my P900 and I am absolutely happy, however...it is a big detail that I think it is worth telling the printing partners... this 2 printers are not usinig ORANGE ink, and that reduces drastically the gamut. For example, both P700 nor P900 can´t reproduce more than , maybe 75% of Fogra standard gamut... Yes, you have beautiful blues and violets, but gamut lacks of all vibrant green colors and oranges... just a thought...
Thanks - indeed a good printer. However, I'm afraid I don't really agree that it is an issue for the vast majority of potential users, most of whom have no knowledge of what FOGRA is, yet alone any need (or desire) to know it ;-) As a photo printer for photographers, it works very well. If matching some arbitrary gamut mattered to me I'd go for the P5000, which is made for proofing, with the violet ink option , or better photo reproduction with the grey option. I suspect that people looking to do proofing wouldl have the knowledge to choose accordingly?
The photo behind you reminds me of the Frederick H. Evans photo "A Sea of Steps". Anyway, looked into these and the cost of 10 new cartridges is around $500. The inks are impressive though.
Yes, it taken from the same spot in Wells cathedral (Evans usually gets mentioned in my written articles when I use it). The original is one that inspired some of my visits to the great English cathedrals - it's an image I use as part of my paper testing for large B&W prints. The cost of the carts makes the 900 a better option. For some print ink cost estimates see: www.redrivercatalog.com/rr/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html
6:52 I like big prints and I can not lie You other brothers can't deny That when a guy walks in with 17inch printer and 50ml carts in your face you get sprung. want to pull up tough 'Cause you notice that paper an’t rough
Hi Keith, a useful comparison and I agree with your conclusion - I have a P900. However, I understand that there is an important difference in the paper feed mechanism. The P900 uses star wheels to keep the paper flat that can scratch sensitive papers, such as Epson Traditional Photo Paper (Exhibition Fiber). The P700 doesn't. It would be interesting to make a comparison with the P800 and note the reduction in manufacturing quality of the P900.
The P700 mechanism does have output rollers - the two printers are very similar. TPP is a paper I'd not personally choose - too fragile a surface, there are plenty of other papers which are fine with the printer (I first tested TPP when it was originally announced). An interesting comparison, but not one I can do, since I don't have either printer here
@@KeithCooper I will get it when I have more good photos for an exhibition of 10 pictures and use it for that during a period and I will test different papers for BW. I liked Ilford Gallery when I was in the darkroom. Then I use it approx. 1 time each month. I must learn how to print before I can produce good prints and I cannot use a printer service for that. I may start with a good A4 printer for the learning period but the ink cost is greater than the A2 printer.
Printers benefit from frequent use - at least every other week, even if just a nozzle check My suggestion is to not even think of third party papers until you are competent in printing with a few basic OEM ones (I have covered paper choices quite a bit) The absolute worst thing to do is get lots of sample packs when you lack the experience or expertise to be able to see meaningful differences. Oh and forget darkroom preferences - start anew. Just because a brand was good then, means absolutely nothing at all today
@@KeithCooper I will follow your advice. I have a lot to learn about colour management before printing large prints. I’m looking through your videos before getting a printer and I will read your articles too....
I used to own a epson p-600 and I just say.. A3 vs A2.. I felt the need for bigger prints after one day. This is what I have heard other say also. Choose the one you want in the first place 😂 A2 looks really good in a frame, A3 is just.. aaaalmost there but not quite 💕
Hi Keith Thank you for all the great videos and your professionalism. I am considering buying a printer and an alternative is to find a used one. I'm stuck in Epson's products and will stay there. An A3 + is what I am looking for and I wonder if you can recommend one or a few that hold the measure and also maintain a reasonable economic level of pigment. I have had the epson 4880 and 4900 models. The 4900 model was pure frame disaster and the printhead that constantly cluttered together. Lots of constant problems with it so never again a 4900. Ok, if I'm looking at a brand new printer then the Epson SureColor SC-P700 is an option. Thank you for all your great videos and your simple and understandable way of explaining things. A Fan! Sincerely Jacques Montel
Hi Keith Because of you I've purchased the Epson P900 and it's lovely! Superb quality! Didn't need the P5000 in the end. But I was wondering is there a site you'd recommend for purchasing the inks for it? The official Epson site does not sell the full pack but as individual inks which is very expensive. Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks for another excellent video Keith. I've been happily running an Epson R3000 for several years. It''s been trouble free even with months between prints. I could be tempted by the P900 to go up in paper size for (looks like) an equivalent footprint. Can't see myself printing loads of A2 but then I've never been able to. Couple of questions (for anyone): 1.Would I notice any difference in print quality? My guess is minimal. Or has the decade between the R3000 and P700/900 led to a bigger difference? 2. I don't want to lose my (so far) rock-solid R3000 reliability. Slightly concerned about the build quality on the P900. I have a new Epson office printer at home, which replaced the same model from several years back, and Epson have got noticeably clever at engineering every last gram out of things! Thoughts welcome!
Thanks The biggest difference would be in not having to swap blacks - if you were using optimal profiles, there might be a slight difference, but usually swamped by other issues. It is light and some don't like that - where it edges on being too clever is the roll adpater - I'm not a big fan. Otherwise, from a usability POV it's a definite jump - but do see my written revie as well - lots more detail.
Oh yes, I'd pick the 900 - you get the option of making big prints too. I'm still unclear if I'd want roll support, since I've used a P5000 a lot and having a paper cutter and spindle based roll holder is very nice to use (if you use roll a lot)
Great review. You just pushed me more into the direction of the P900. Why? I like A3(+) prints. Why not? But they don’t really fascinate me whereas A2 prints come closer to what I regard as an “exhibition style” that really celebrates the picture. However, what I constantly ask myself: how many megapixel do I need to print in A2? I used a Pentax K-5/30 for quite some time and lots of the pictures I would like to print where taken with it. Then a Pentax K-1 followed (not that many pictures where made with it) and finally an A7III. Would you see any restrictions for printing in A2 using files form this cameras? Of course I could/would accept (sometimes even appreciate) white boarders. But still it would be interesting to know whether borderless printing would also be possible? I assume an A7IVR would certainly do. But what about my former/actual camera(s)? Thanks a lot for your great work. You were recommended to me yesterday and I already am a fan of your work, since it’s real world stuff and not just the usual influencer thing we all cannot take anymore... :)
Thanks - The ink costs of the 900 are noticeably lower too For print size, like most things, 'it depends'. I've written quite a lot of articles relating to the megapixel thing - see this one for some info. It links to lots of other related ones, since you don't always need specialised software www.northlight-images.co.uk/upsizing-and-sharpening-for-making-a-print/
Hi Keith, thanks so much for all your insightful videos. Are you still using any of these printers? I've been reading reviews that they don't have good longevity and issues with paper loading
Unfortunately [or fortunately if you live in the same house] I only get these printers for a month or two and they go back to Epson/Canon. This is why I can rarely cover longevity or maintenance issues
Thanks for your reviews and your thoughts on the Epson printers. Just wondering if you would advise to leave them on at all time or switch them off, if there is a gap in how often you print. Let’s say if you don’t print on a weekly basis. Thanks
There is a powerdown timer option in the menu - There's no 'auto cleaning' to avoid with 700/900 which means that if it's been more than say 4-5 days I'll do a nozzle check on plain paper before printing - better this than spoiling the start of a print on nice paper. ...By turning over and trimming, my record is 16 nozzle checks on a single bit of A4 copier paper ;-) If not using for say 2-3 weeks, the key is patience - do a nozzle check and if needed wait 10 mins before doing a clean, then wait a few minutes to do another check
Hi Keith, Delighted to find your youtube channel! I timed loading fine art paper in the p900 front feeder. It takes me 2 minutes. If I were superhumanly fast at positioning paper and pushing menu buttons it would still take over a minute minimum. Any idea what's going on inside during the Please Waits that makes it take so long?
Thanks - I started it last summer at the behest of someone from Canon UK Printer actions like this are still a mystery to me. There is alignment and deskewing, but every printer seems to include some 'wait while I think about this' functions. Today an Epson P5000 told me it had decided to do a motor calibration and it would take 2 minutes. I've never seen this before, in several years of use...
Hi Keith ! Thank you very for ALL your fantastic work reviewing so much stuff and tools... I'm very impressed and grateful. I never thought about printing my photos all by myself, I always work wit a professional printer (uses Epson 9900 printers). Do you think there would be a significant difference between these P900 prints and a professional work (for exhibitions, or selling pictures) ? The cost of a A2 print is about 50€ (£42-ish), I'm not able to estimate the cost of "printing at home"... If you've got some advices, I'd be happy to read your thoughts about that. Thank you very much and take good care of you. Colin
Thanks Let's say I print an identical A2 image on the two printers on a good paper, with good profiles. If I left them overnight and somebody swapped them, I could not guarantee to say which was which. So - it's just practice and printing skills - the printers at this level make relatively little difference ;-) That practice takes time and money ;-) For ink costs see here for estimates www.redrivercatalog.com/rr/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html
Thank you very much for your fast and honest answer, @@KeithCooper ! I guess practice always takes time and money. ha ha ;-) I'm planning on choosing between Canon Pro 1000 and the Epson P900. For now, I know nothing about them, except you're great enthusiasm about the P900. I'll check that link to estimate costs/time. Take good care. Colin
Hi, Keith, thanks so much for a great review that helps to simplify a difficult decision. I'd be very grateful if you could please answer these questions: i) On either printer do you replace cartridges as they run out individually, or do you always have to replace the full pack? ii) iii) You suggested the SC 700 would run out of ink before the 900. Is this dues to cartridge size or across the same number or prints. iv) Are both printers good for black and white prints? iii) Can you set up the machines to make smaller prints, even to postcard size? v) I don't want a back roller feed nor do I need the larger print size. Even given that I could print smaller on the 900 do you think the 700 would be better for my needs? Many thanks in anticipation. Gerry.
Thanks Carts are replaced as needed Smaller carts on the P700 The 700 might be better - just be prepared to buy a new set of carts for not that long after you get it See the main [written] P700 and P900 reviews for details
Thank you for sharing! I just recieved my P900 and was excited to print art. However, the color’s dull and not as crisp as I hoped they would be - any advise? I’m using cardstock premium matte smooth finish.
Yes, it's what I might expect from some matte card stock - a lot depends on the profiles and settings used for printing. My questions are just what you mean by 'Art' and what software you are printing with? See my P900 full (written) review for lots more detail than I can fit in the videos www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/
@@KeithCooper Watercolor images, colored fonts.. I am printing from photoshop and I'm using smooth uncoated card stock paper. I have been playing with the profiles and it's still not printing in crisp/vibrant colors.
Try printing using printer colour management (not a profile) - also try changing the media type. However in my experience, 'crisp/vibrant colour' and uncoated card stock are not two things I'd usually connect together with this sort of printer. Watercolour, maybe, but less so coloured type. Inkjet printers like this are designed for coated stock... even matte photo papers have ink receptor coatings. Some media just doesn't work well no matter what settings you use.
Hi Keith . in you opinion it is still OK to invest in july 2022 in a P900 or wait the next gen ? I 'm newbie in printing and don't know if there is turnover in the Epson production. thanks
The P900 will be around for years. Printers at this level last a long time. I reviewed the predecessor of the P90, the P800, in 2015 At this level printers do not get regular updates/model increments like many cheaper ones
Thanks - I don't really do recommendations since the answer always depends on individual needs/budget ;-) For A2 it's the P900 or Canon pro-1000 (I have a review from 2015) - neither like being used infrequently though. You ideally need to print something almost every week - even if small. Both will cost a more in ink usage proportionally, with light use. See my written reviews for more www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/ www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/
I like to print big … but my wall is full :-) Can You have the idea to make a video for “how to store print”? Thank you for all of the video, very informative.
Thanks - I actually just put them flat in an old chart drawer, interleaved with archival tissue paper. The drawers came from a 2nd hand office eqpt. store - They are huge... I'll show it when my office is cleared (been pending for some time)
Hello Keith, I commented the other day about the Epson XP-15000 that I just purchased. I should have told you I have a Spider screen calibration unit. I did calibrate my Mac screen using Apple's iMac-1 color profile. Now that I have the Epson XP-15000 can I change the Color Profile to "Epson Standard RGB - Gamma 1.8" and then re-calibrate my screen? There is also Color Profile "Epson sRGB" and "Generic RGB Profile". I was told by a source (don't want to speak badly about the company so no name) that the iMac cannot be used to print on the Epson XP-15000 using Apple's 5K screen. Thank you for any advice
Ah - you use the Spyder to produce a profile for the iMac. The other profiles have absolutely nothing to do with the process - they are normally of no use whatsoever. The Spyder software should set the correct profile. The biggest problem with iMac screens is that invariably they are set far far too bright for photo editing/printing. However, read the help system for the Spyder - this is well written - follow its advice and suggested settings. The only profiles you use when printing are paper profiles. What you can print depends on your image editing software, not the Mac screen. See my xp-15000 review (and videos) for examples printing from a Mac to that printer.
Do you hear any rumors about the Epson P5000 being replaced? I moved (countries) and had to get rid of my Epson 4880 but I am concerned about getting an Epson 5000 right before they do an update.
None at all [as of early Sept. 22] Epson do have a habit of announcing things in just one country, so I check every so often for announcements in other regions. The P5000 is still primarily aimed at the proofing market and has no real competition. I've no actual info, but if we saw a replacement [announced that is, not shipping] within 6-8 months, I'd be quite surprised.
I'd note that A2+ is not a 'proper size' - I've never seen it referred to by any UK supplier. See papersizes.io/a/ The P900 is 17" width, whilst A2 is a bit narrower.
@@KeithCooper There are not too many A2+ papers "out there", yet. A2+ facilitates printing 40 cm X 60 cm, with borders. A2 is just too short for 60 cm prints. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Sheet-Roll-Paper/ci/1118/N/3713912353?filters=fct_sheet-size_162%3A17x25in
I have a roll adapter on my new P900, how long can I make landscape photo's? (I put this question on another of your videos but thought maybe this one was more appropriate). Thanks.
It depends on the computer system and software being used. The specs are a bit vague in this area, with the [US] set I used in the review giving 129 inches I was unable to get a definitive answer when I was writing the main review. I'd suggest asking on the Print forum at DPReview, since I don't have a printer here to test. www.dpreview.com/forums/1003
Like for like they are identical. As to Amazon, that probably says more about the reliability of reviews on Amazon and the person doing the testing ;-) They use the same print software, the same print head, the same inks, the same ink feed system and ICC profiles are interchangeable between them. The main difference is size, and the more complex roll support available. I've not found any significant differences otherwise. If I saw any obvious difference in quality on the same media, I'd wonder if one had not been set up correctly (head alignment) or had been damaged in transport
Hello Keith. I have the Pro-1000 printer, and I wanted purchase the Canon Premium RC Photo Luster 10mil 255gsm 17"x100' Roll 3" Core to use in certain lengths. Any thoughts on this paper?
Just a basic lustre. Canon don't make their own papers, so I don't know where it comes from. IIRC it's relatively thin paper. Personally I prefer a heavier paper (lses prone to creasing) for larger prints. It was quite a few years ago I reviewed the PRO-1000 so I don't recall details from my testing
Very informative. Is time for me to buy a better printer. I am starting a new business. I am printing my art and stickers. Can you give me an advice here? which one is better in the long term ? Thanks
Depends on the type of media - stickers are pretty poor with many desktop printers, but as to artwork, depends on your market. Pigment inks are what I'd choose for stuff to sell at the better quality end... The problem with stickers is that a lot of the media isn't particularly compatible with the inks in desktop printers.
@@KeithCooper I look through some of your reviews, verry impressive. Is it from your academic times that you learn to write papers? I'm more into the analytic simulation part than writing papers, but I have done that too when I have to do it.
Thanks - it definitely helped, more perhaps in not introducing data without some explanation of what it means and why it matters. The lack of rigour is what probably kept me from doing YT videos for years - I shoot them unscripted in single takes, so there are usually several verbal typos ;-)
I have read all comments, and as far as I can remember, everybody claims that p900 is more cost efficient...i don t know where every commenter lives, but i can tell you for sure, that here in Greece, the information mentioned above, is not accurate....ink cartridges cost 32 euros the small ones, 45 the big ones....up to this point, we are ok.....but the buying cost of the machines is 950 euros for the small one 1550, for the big one...add another 250 for the roll paper holder, which in p900, comes as extra, then you have almost double cost....even if i buy a whole pack of extra cartridges, that would bring the cost, up to 1250 euros, which is still much lower, and, in such case, the two models would be equal...so, unless you are a pro printing A2 all the time, price of p900 cannot be justified by any means, and such a purchase cannot be declared as cost efficient... And a question ..... When printing in semigloss paper, does it use any matte black, or in such a case, it uses photo black, and no matte at all? Thank you
Yes - the variation around the world is one reason I never cover prices in any detail. For some places the P900 really is a better option Nobody outside of parts of Epson knows the precise mix of inks used with different media settings. This is not information they pass on.
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This is an off topic question. I noted a video on cleaning the Epson 8550. I haven't had my P700 long enough to develop any problem areas of ink buildup but I thought the machines might have different approaches to cleaning and I'm asking while you have the similar P900 in-house.
To some extent, all inkjet printers are prone to paper dust build-up with some types of media. Also, borderless printing always causes issues if used a lot. The P900 (and 700 IIRC) do have fans to draw out air for cooling/ventilation which helps keep dust down. The info I've got in the 8550 cleaning video is pretty much applicable to most inkjet printers
@@KeithCooper Thank you for that. I appreciate the added protections in the p700 and having worked on copiers and printers in the past as in-house tech, I feel comfortable working through the machine in the future based on your 8550 checkup. Seriously doubt there will be a lot of that but wanted to ask while the question was pertinent to what you have on hand. Chris
I could, but it would be largely meaningless ;-) - they are distinctly different printers and aimed at very different markets It's mainly Inks My 8550 review will be published later this week. Read that and the P700 one and see what features matter to you - note you need to read the articles - the videos are only ever meant as trailers/supplements to the real (written) reviews.
For around 300 € more than the prize of a P900, I can get two P700, and if I add the roll holder to the P900, it's nearly the same price. Since I primarily do b&w prints, I thus can have one printer loaded with the original Epson inks, and the other with a special set of carbon graphite inks for b&w. I very seldom print larger than A3, so in case I intend to do that, I rather will just outsource these jobs. The only pity is, that there is no 13" fine art roll paper available, so no large format panoramic prints, what would otherwise easily be possible with the P700.
A quite specialised setup... There are very few good papers available in 13" but I do recall some in the past available in the UK - unfortunately I can't find them listed, so they may be discontinued
Why compare two printer that make differnt size prints !? it´s like comparing a two seater car to a four seater car ! Compare fx Epson P900 to Canon PRO-1000 !
For some quite specific reasons... ;-) It's the fact that apart from the width and ink tank capacity the two printers are almost identical. They are close enough in price that if you were considering a P700, then the 25ml ink carts vs the 50ml of the P900 might make the P900 a more economical option to run. There is also the roll paper support which may or may not be important. [Oh, and both printers were here at the same time, so I could actually do the comparison] As to the P900 vs PRO-1000... I never do comparative reviews between different makes - not in over 15 years of writing detailed reviews. Here's why: www.northlight-images.co.uk/we-never-recommend-best-products/ I'm always happy to answer specific questions on any of my reviews by email, but I make no public comparisons. I do have a very detailed pro-1000 review, written at the time it came out: www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/ This should be compared to the 9900 one www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/ Two more difficulties in comparing 1000 with the 900 are that it's nearly 6 years old and I only get to test printers for a month or so until they go back to the makers
@@veronicafemina1742 why certainly - but there are plenty of people wanting a 13" printer who might not have considered a 17" The video is there to answer questions I've been asked by people unsure of which they might want. Personally I wouldn't want a roll paper printer that doesn't have a paper cutter, but that's also got nothing to do with this particular video...
I don't, they belong to Epson or Canon ;-) I get most for a month or two to test, however, with the number of new printers last year and most offices currently being empty, I've been able to keep them a bit longer - not so bad since my paying photography work has dropped off a lot. Keeps me busy :-)
My own thoughts are that it is a question that cannot be answered in general. I never normally do product comparisons, but these are so similar in many respects that I feel that it is possible to cover the factors that might lead a person to decide that one is the best for them...
![Which is best? Epson P900 vs Epson P5300 [P5370] 17" A2 pigment ink printer shootout](/img/n.gif)
Rarely do people look back and say "I wish I had bought the smaller one"
Yes, you don't have to print A2 prints if you get an A2 printer ;-)
I was checking those printers out and watched your video, great info and thanks for sharing.
Checking out the price of the cartridges:
The 25 ml for the P700 are now (nov 22) € 26.50
The 50 ml for the P900 are now (nov 22) € 35.50
So for € 9.00 more you get double the quantity
So the price difference from around € 400,- will be earned back in frequent use (+ also comes standard with more ink)
Choosing the 900 over the 700 makes sense indeed.
Glad it was helpful!
There is something that is BEST!!! your reviews are the BEST amongst all the reviews out there...
Hello Keith, firstly thank you Sir for all your many great, insightful and interesting videos. I am a freelance Illustrator and watching this particular video has convinced me that the P700 is best for me (not the P900) Most of my images contain a lot of vacant space (not total full page colour bleed) and I will only be printing at A3. All the best from Essex :)
Thanks - glad to have been of help
Thank you very much for this video. I chose the P 700 printer as I rarely print lager than the A3+ size with the exception of panoramic prints. If I need a larger print I will outsource the printing to a professional photo lab. The inclusion of the roll holder within the P 700 as opposed to an extra cost and size of the roll adapter for the P 900 made the choice a little easier. I chose the Epson over the various Canon printers including the latest models for this ability to print long panoramic prints that Canon just doesn’t allow.. Thanks again for your expertise and sharing your knowledge in these videos!
Glad it was of help!
Thank you for the review. I was stuck trying to decide between the two (replacing a deceased R2400, a 13" max like P700). I think this settles the debate )for me): P900 it is.
If you want more detail and not seen it, do check the main [written] reviews at www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/
The real detail always goes into my written reviews [+ they can be edited/updated/corrected!]
Perfect timing thank you :) Most helpful.
Thanks - they really do look quite similar when stacked like that ;-)
Straight forward, super helpful and easy to follow showing everything with examples.
Thank you very much as I am looking into printers and thisbhas been one of the most helpful.
I also like the raw presentation of this video too!
Thanks - I've only been adding videos to supplement my written reviews and articles for a short while.
Thanks for your videos Mr Cooper! I´ve just got my P900 and I am absolutely happy, however...it is a big detail that I think it is worth telling the printing partners... this 2 printers are not usinig ORANGE ink, and that reduces drastically the gamut. For example, both P700 nor P900 can´t reproduce more than , maybe 75% of Fogra standard gamut...
Yes, you have beautiful blues and violets, but gamut lacks of all vibrant green colors and oranges... just a thought...
Thanks - indeed a good printer.
However, I'm afraid I don't really agree that it is an issue for the vast majority of potential users, most of whom have no knowledge of what FOGRA is, yet alone any need (or desire) to know it ;-)
As a photo printer for photographers, it works very well. If matching some arbitrary gamut mattered to me I'd go for the P5000, which is made for proofing, with the violet ink option , or better photo reproduction with the grey option. I suspect that people looking to do proofing wouldl have the knowledge to choose accordingly?
Good to know about the inks. Thanks for the awesome review.
Thanks - glad it was of help.
The photo behind you reminds me of the Frederick H. Evans photo "A Sea of Steps". Anyway, looked into these and the cost of 10 new cartridges is around $500. The inks are impressive though.
Yes, it taken from the same spot in Wells cathedral (Evans usually gets mentioned in my written articles when I use it). The original is one that inspired some of my visits to the great English cathedrals - it's an image I use as part of my paper testing for large B&W prints.
The cost of the carts makes the 900 a better option. For some print ink cost estimates see:
www.redrivercatalog.com/rr/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html
6:52 I like big prints and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a guy walks in with 17inch printer and 50ml carts in your face you get sprung. want to pull up tough 'Cause you notice that paper an’t rough
Lol. Nice
Hi Keith, a useful comparison and I agree with your conclusion - I have a P900. However, I understand that there is an important difference in the paper feed mechanism. The P900 uses star wheels to keep the paper flat that can scratch sensitive papers, such as Epson Traditional Photo Paper (Exhibition Fiber). The P700 doesn't.
It would be interesting to make a comparison with the P800 and note the reduction in manufacturing quality of the P900.
The P700 mechanism does have output rollers - the two printers are very similar.
TPP is a paper I'd not personally choose - too fragile a surface, there are plenty of other papers which are fine with the printer (I first tested TPP when it was originally announced).
An interesting comparison, but not one I can do, since I don't have either printer here
thanks so much for sharing :)
Glad it was of interest
Thank you. P900 may be my chosie when I start printing at home
Just be sure to use it enough...
@@KeithCooper I will get it when I have more good photos for an exhibition of 10 pictures and use it for that during a period and I will test different papers for BW. I liked Ilford Gallery when I was in the darkroom. Then I use it approx. 1 time each month. I must learn how to print before I can produce good prints and I cannot use a printer service for that. I may start with a good A4 printer for the learning period but the ink cost is greater than the A2 printer.
Printers benefit from frequent use - at least every other week, even if just a nozzle check
My suggestion is to not even think of third party papers until you are competent in printing with a few basic OEM ones (I have covered paper choices quite a bit)
The absolute worst thing to do is get lots of sample packs when you lack the experience or expertise to be able to see meaningful differences.
Oh and forget darkroom preferences - start anew. Just because a brand was good then, means absolutely nothing at all today
@@KeithCooper I will follow your advice. I have a lot to learn about colour management before printing large prints. I’m looking through your videos before getting a printer and I will read your articles too....
Wow, absolutely brilliant review!!!!
Thank you - much appreciated
Another informative clear and concise video.
Thanks - much appreciated
Keith I enjoy all of your videos and knowledge. Keep them coming.
Thank you - more planned
I used to own a epson p-600 and I just say.. A3 vs A2.. I felt the need for bigger prints after one day. This is what I have heard other say also. Choose the one you want in the first place 😂 A2 looks really good in a frame, A3 is just.. aaaalmost there but not quite 💕
Yes, the A2 option can be impressive.
Hi Keith
Thank you for all the great videos and your professionalism.
I am considering buying a printer and an alternative is to find a used one. I'm stuck in Epson's products and will stay there. An A3 + is what I am looking for and I wonder if you can recommend one or a few that hold the measure and also maintain a reasonable economic level of pigment. I have had the epson 4880 and 4900 models. The 4900 model was pure frame disaster and the printhead that constantly cluttered together. Lots of constant problems with it so never again a 4900.
Ok, if I'm looking at a brand new printer then the Epson SureColor SC-P700 is an option.
Thank you for all your great videos and your simple and understandable way of explaining things.
A Fan!
Sincerely
Jacques Montel
Thanks - glad it's of help to you
Hi Keith
Because of you I've purchased the Epson P900 and it's lovely! Superb quality! Didn't need the P5000 in the end. But I was wondering is there a site you'd recommend for purchasing the inks for it? The official Epson site does not sell the full pack but as individual inks which is very expensive. Any advice is appreciated.
Excellent! - Can't really help much, since most of my testing supplies come directly from Canon and Epson
Thanks for another excellent video Keith. I've been happily running an Epson R3000 for several years. It''s been trouble free even with months between prints. I could be tempted by the P900 to go up in paper size for (looks like) an equivalent footprint. Can't see myself printing loads of A2 but then I've never been able to.
Couple of questions (for anyone):
1.Would I notice any difference in print quality? My guess is minimal. Or has the decade between the R3000 and P700/900 led to a bigger difference?
2. I don't want to lose my (so far) rock-solid R3000 reliability. Slightly concerned about the build quality on the P900. I have a new Epson office printer at home, which replaced the same model from several years back, and Epson have got noticeably clever at engineering every last gram out of things!
Thoughts welcome!
Thanks
The biggest difference would be in not having to swap blacks - if you were using optimal profiles, there might be a slight difference, but usually swamped by other issues.
It is light and some don't like that - where it edges on being too clever is the roll adpater - I'm not a big fan.
Otherwise, from a usability POV it's a definite jump - but do see my written revie as well - lots more detail.
@@KeithCooper Thanks, that helps a lot. In that case I'll carry on until my R3000 bites the dust.
It looks clear to me if you look at the ink sizes and costs, the P900 is much more cost effective.
Oh yes, I'd pick the 900 - you get the option of making big prints too. I'm still unclear if I'd want roll support, since I've used a P5000 a lot and having a paper cutter and spindle based roll holder is very nice to use (if you use roll a lot)
Great review. You just pushed me more into the direction of the P900. Why? I like A3(+) prints. Why not? But they don’t really fascinate me whereas A2 prints come closer to what I regard as an “exhibition style” that really celebrates the picture. However, what I constantly ask myself: how many megapixel do I need to print in A2? I used a Pentax K-5/30 for quite some time and lots of the pictures I would like to print where taken with it. Then a Pentax K-1 followed (not that many pictures where made with it) and finally an A7III. Would you see any restrictions for printing in A2 using files form this cameras? Of course I could/would accept (sometimes even appreciate) white boarders. But still it would be interesting to know whether borderless printing would also be possible? I assume an A7IVR would certainly do. But what about my former/actual camera(s)? Thanks a lot for your great work. You were recommended to me yesterday and I already am a fan of your work, since it’s real world stuff and not just the usual influencer thing we all cannot take anymore... :)
Thanks - The ink costs of the 900 are noticeably lower too
For print size, like most things, 'it depends'.
I've written quite a lot of articles relating to the megapixel thing - see this one for some info. It links to lots of other related ones, since you don't always need specialised software
www.northlight-images.co.uk/upsizing-and-sharpening-for-making-a-print/
@@KeithCooperThanks a lot for responding so quickly. I appreciate it a lot!
Even 12 megapixels is quite enough - I have the R5 and A7siii and impossible to tell the difference between print. They both print amazingly well.
Excellent info, as always. Does the P900 facilitate the use of roll-papper smaller than 17"?
Thanks - Yes, I've used 8" and 10" roll media on it - I'll add a picture to the review showing the adjustments
Hi Keith, thanks so much for all your insightful videos. Are you still using any of these printers? I've been reading reviews that they don't have good longevity and issues with paper loading
Unfortunately [or fortunately if you live in the same house] I only get these printers for a month or two and they go back to Epson/Canon. This is why I can rarely cover longevity or maintenance issues
Thanks for your reviews and your thoughts on the Epson printers. Just wondering if you would advise to leave them on at all time or switch them off, if there is a gap in how often you print. Let’s say if you don’t print on a weekly basis.
Thanks
There is a powerdown timer option in the menu - There's no 'auto cleaning' to avoid with 700/900 which means that if it's been more than say 4-5 days I'll do a nozzle check on plain paper before printing - better this than spoiling the start of a print on nice paper.
...By turning over and trimming, my record is 16 nozzle checks on a single bit of A4 copier paper ;-)
If not using for say 2-3 weeks, the key is patience - do a nozzle check and if needed wait 10 mins before doing a clean, then wait a few minutes to do another check
Hi Keith,
Delighted to find your youtube channel!
I timed loading fine art paper in the p900 front feeder. It takes me 2 minutes. If I were superhumanly fast at positioning paper and pushing menu buttons it would still take over a minute minimum.
Any idea what's going on inside during the Please Waits that makes it take so long?
Thanks - I started it last summer at the behest of someone from Canon UK
Printer actions like this are still a mystery to me. There is alignment and deskewing, but every printer seems to include some 'wait while I think about this' functions. Today an Epson P5000 told me it had decided to do a motor calibration and it would take 2 minutes. I've never seen this before, in several years of use...
Hi Keith !
Thank you very for ALL your fantastic work reviewing so much stuff and tools... I'm very impressed and grateful.
I never thought about printing my photos all by myself, I always work wit a professional printer (uses Epson 9900 printers).
Do you think there would be a significant difference between these P900 prints and a professional work (for exhibitions, or selling pictures) ?
The cost of a A2 print is about 50€ (£42-ish), I'm not able to estimate the cost of "printing at home"...
If you've got some advices, I'd be happy to read your thoughts about that.
Thank you very much and take good care of you.
Colin
Thanks
Let's say I print an identical A2 image on the two printers on a good paper, with good profiles. If I left them overnight and somebody swapped them, I could not guarantee to say which was which.
So - it's just practice and printing skills - the printers at this level make relatively little difference ;-)
That practice takes time and money ;-)
For ink costs see here for estimates
www.redrivercatalog.com/rr/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html
Thank you very much for your fast and honest answer, @@KeithCooper !
I guess practice always takes time and money. ha ha ;-)
I'm planning on choosing between Canon Pro 1000 and the Epson P900.
For now, I know nothing about them, except you're great enthusiasm about the P900.
I'll check that link to estimate costs/time.
Take good care.
Colin
I have a very detailed review of the PRO-1000 as well (pre-dates me doing videos)
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/
I'm on my way reading your article, @@KeithCooper !!
Thank you very much.
Hi, Keith, thanks so much for a great review that helps to simplify a difficult decision. I'd be very grateful if you could please answer these questions: i) On either printer do you replace cartridges as they run out individually, or do you always have to replace the full pack? ii) iii) You suggested the SC 700 would run out of ink before the 900. Is this dues to cartridge size or across the same number or prints. iv) Are both printers good for black and white prints? iii) Can you set up the machines to make smaller prints, even to postcard size? v) I don't want a back roller feed nor do I need the larger print size. Even given that I could print smaller on the 900 do you think the 700 would be better for my needs? Many thanks in anticipation. Gerry.
Thanks
Carts are replaced as needed
Smaller carts on the P700
The 700 might be better - just be prepared to buy a new set of carts for not that long after you get it
See the main [written] P700 and P900 reviews for details
Thanks, Keith.
Thank you for sharing! I just recieved my P900 and was excited to print art. However, the color’s dull and not as crisp as I hoped they would be - any advise? I’m using cardstock premium matte smooth finish.
Yes, it's what I might expect from some matte card stock - a lot depends on the profiles and settings used for printing.
My questions are just what you mean by 'Art' and what software you are printing with?
See my P900 full (written) review for lots more detail than I can fit in the videos
www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/
@@KeithCooper Watercolor images, colored fonts.. I am printing from photoshop and I'm using smooth uncoated card stock paper. I have been playing with the profiles and it's still not printing in crisp/vibrant colors.
Try printing using printer colour management (not a profile) - also try changing the media type.
However in my experience, 'crisp/vibrant colour' and uncoated card stock are not two things I'd usually connect together with this sort of printer. Watercolour, maybe, but less so coloured type.
Inkjet printers like this are designed for coated stock... even matte photo papers have ink receptor coatings.
Some media just doesn't work well no matter what settings you use.
Hi Keith . in you opinion it is still OK to invest in july 2022 in a P900 or wait the next gen ? I 'm newbie in printing and don't know if there is turnover in the Epson production. thanks
The P900 will be around for years. Printers at this level last a long time. I reviewed the predecessor of the P90, the P800, in 2015
At this level printers do not get regular updates/model increments like many cheaper ones
great videos Keith. Do you have a recommendation for me Im an am amateur photographer wanting to print a3 (or ideally a2) every now and again? Dave
Thanks - I don't really do recommendations since the answer always depends on individual needs/budget ;-)
For A2 it's the P900 or Canon pro-1000 (I have a review from 2015) - neither like being used infrequently though. You ideally need to print something almost every week - even if small. Both will cost a more in ink usage proportionally, with light use.
See my written reviews for more
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/
www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/
I like to print big … but my wall is full :-)
Can You have the idea to make a video for “how to store print”?
Thank you for all of the video, very informative.
Thanks - I actually just put them flat in an old chart drawer, interleaved with archival tissue paper.
The drawers came from a 2nd hand office eqpt. store - They are huge...
I'll show it when my office is cleared (been pending for some time)
Hello Keith, I commented the other day about the Epson XP-15000 that I just purchased. I should have told you I have a Spider screen calibration unit. I did calibrate my Mac screen using Apple's iMac-1 color profile. Now that I have the Epson XP-15000 can I change the Color Profile to "Epson Standard RGB - Gamma 1.8" and then re-calibrate my screen? There is also Color Profile "Epson sRGB" and "Generic RGB Profile". I was told by a source (don't want to speak badly about the company so no name) that the iMac cannot be used to print on the Epson XP-15000 using Apple's 5K screen. Thank you for any advice
Ah - you use the Spyder to produce a profile for the iMac.
The other profiles have absolutely nothing to do with the process - they are normally of no use whatsoever. The Spyder software should set the correct profile.
The biggest problem with iMac screens is that invariably they are set far far too bright for photo editing/printing. However, read the help system for the Spyder - this is well written - follow its advice and suggested settings.
The only profiles you use when printing are paper profiles.
What you can print depends on your image editing software, not the Mac screen.
See my xp-15000 review (and videos) for examples printing from a Mac to that printer.
Do you hear any rumors about the Epson P5000 being replaced? I moved (countries) and had to get rid of my Epson 4880 but I am concerned about getting an Epson 5000 right before they do an update.
None at all [as of early Sept. 22]
Epson do have a habit of announcing things in just one country, so I check every so often for announcements in other regions.
The P5000 is still primarily aimed at the proofing market and has no real competition.
I've no actual info, but if we saw a replacement [announced that is, not shipping] within 6-8 months, I'd be quite surprised.
The P900 is A2 +. Worth to mention. 17" x 25"
I'd note that A2+ is not a 'proper size' - I've never seen it referred to by any UK supplier.
See papersizes.io/a/
The P900 is 17" width, whilst A2 is a bit narrower.
@@KeithCooper There are not too many A2+ papers "out there", yet. A2+ facilitates printing 40 cm X 60 cm, with borders. A2 is just too short for 60 cm prints. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Sheet-Roll-Paper/ci/1118/N/3713912353?filters=fct_sheet-size_162%3A17x25in
I have a roll adapter on my new P900, how long can I make landscape photo's? (I put this question on another of your videos but thought maybe this one was more appropriate). Thanks.
It depends on the computer system and software being used.
The specs are a bit vague in this area, with the [US] set I used in the review giving 129 inches
I was unable to get a definitive answer when I was writing the main review.
I'd suggest asking on the Print forum at DPReview, since I don't have a printer here to test.
www.dpreview.com/forums/1003
@@KeithCooper Ok, thanks for the reply.
Are the printing quality the same? I saw in Amazon the review of the printing quality for 700 is higher?
Like for like they are identical.
As to Amazon, that probably says more about the reliability of reviews on Amazon and the person doing the testing ;-)
They use the same print software, the same print head, the same inks, the same ink feed system and ICC profiles are interchangeable between them.
The main difference is size, and the more complex roll support available. I've not found any significant differences otherwise.
If I saw any obvious difference in quality on the same media, I'd wonder if one had not been set up correctly (head alignment) or had been damaged in transport
Hello Keith. I have the Pro-1000 printer, and I wanted purchase the Canon Premium RC Photo Luster 10mil 255gsm 17"x100' Roll 3" Core to use in certain lengths. Any thoughts on this paper?
Just a basic lustre. Canon don't make their own papers, so I don't know where it comes from. IIRC it's relatively thin paper. Personally I prefer a heavier paper (lses prone to creasing) for larger prints.
It was quite a few years ago I reviewed the PRO-1000 so I don't recall details from my testing
@@KeithCooper Thanks.
Very informative.
Is time for me to buy a better printer. I am starting a new business. I am
printing my art and stickers. Can you give me an advice here? which one is better in the long term
? Thanks
Depends on the type of media - stickers are pretty poor with many desktop printers, but as to artwork, depends on your market.
Pigment inks are what I'd choose for stuff to sell at the better quality end...
The problem with stickers is that a lot of the media isn't particularly compatible with the inks in desktop printers.
Looking to purchase but concerned about paper feed problems, my friends P700 is shocking :(
Unfortunately that is something I hear rather too often - these were loan units from Epson, so had to go back, meaning I've no longer term testing
Is Epson SureColor P800 a better BW printer than P900?
I've no direct test - I have tested both in the written reviews
@@KeithCooper I look through some of your reviews, verry impressive. Is it from your academic times that you learn to write papers? I'm more into the analytic simulation part than writing papers, but I have done that too when I have to do it.
Thanks - it definitely helped, more perhaps in not introducing data without some explanation of what it means and why it matters.
The lack of rigour is what probably kept me from doing YT videos for years - I shoot them unscripted in single takes, so there are usually several verbal typos ;-)
I have read all comments, and as far as I can remember, everybody claims that p900 is more cost efficient...i don t know where every commenter lives, but i can tell you for sure, that here in Greece, the information mentioned above, is not accurate....ink cartridges cost 32 euros the small ones, 45 the big ones....up to this point, we are ok.....but the buying cost of the machines is 950 euros for the small one 1550, for the big one...add another 250 for the roll paper holder, which in p900, comes as extra, then you have almost double cost....even if i buy a whole pack of extra cartridges, that would bring the cost, up to 1250 euros, which is still much lower, and, in such case, the two models would be equal...so, unless you are a pro printing A2 all the time, price of p900 cannot be justified by any means, and such a purchase cannot be declared as cost efficient...
And a question ..... When printing in semigloss paper, does it use any matte black, or in such a case, it uses photo black, and no matte at all?
Thank you
Yes - the variation around the world is one reason I never cover prices in any detail. For some places the P900 really is a better option
Nobody outside of parts of Epson knows the precise mix of inks used with different media settings. This is not information they pass on.
@@KeithCooper Thank you very much...I appreciate your immediate answer a lot..
It s absolutely amazing . And if you can do apear objects, i invite you a whole week in belgium. Food is incincredible in our house , country is quite different to make pictures and people in the small village are very friendly. I've only need your help to fill a Manfrotto Pro Light Reloader Tough L-55. Thank you for your video ☀️📷☀️
Thanks!
This is an off topic question. I noted a video on cleaning the Epson 8550. I haven't had my P700 long enough to develop any problem areas of ink buildup but I thought the machines might have different approaches to cleaning and I'm asking while you have the similar P900 in-house.
To some extent, all inkjet printers are prone to paper dust build-up with some types of media. Also, borderless printing always causes issues if used a lot.
The P900 (and 700 IIRC) do have fans to draw out air for cooling/ventilation which helps keep dust down.
The info I've got in the 8550 cleaning video is pretty much applicable to most inkjet printers
@@KeithCooper Thank you for that. I appreciate the added protections in the p700 and having worked on copiers and printers in the past as in-house tech, I feel comfortable working through the machine in the future based on your 8550 checkup. Seriously doubt there will be a lot of that but wanted to ask while the question was pertinent to what you have on hand. Chris
Can you compare the p700 vs the eco tank 8550?
I could, but it would be largely meaningless ;-) - they are distinctly different printers and aimed at very different markets
It's mainly Inks
My 8550 review will be published later this week. Read that and the P700 one and see what features matter to you - note you need to read the articles - the videos are only ever meant as trailers/supplements to the real (written) reviews.
For around 300 € more than the prize of a P900, I can get two P700, and if I add the roll holder to the P900, it's nearly the same price. Since I primarily do b&w prints, I thus can have one printer loaded with the original Epson inks, and the other with a special set of carbon graphite inks for b&w. I very seldom print larger than A3, so in case I intend to do that, I rather will just outsource these jobs. The only pity is, that there is no 13" fine art roll paper available, so no large format panoramic prints, what would otherwise easily be possible with the P700.
A quite specialised setup...
There are very few good papers available in 13" but I do recall some in the past available in the UK - unfortunately I can't find them listed, so they may be discontinued
the better one is p800 🙂
having tested the P800 in another of my detailed reviews I don't actually agree
It's still a good printer though...
Ta
Glad it's of interest!
Why compare two printer that make differnt size prints !? it´s like comparing a two seater car to a four seater car ! Compare fx Epson P900 to Canon PRO-1000 !
For some quite specific reasons... ;-)
It's the fact that apart from the width and ink tank capacity the two printers are almost identical. They are close enough in price that if you were considering a P700, then the 25ml ink carts vs the 50ml of the P900 might make the P900 a more economical option to run. There is also the roll paper support which may or may not be important. [Oh, and both printers were here at the same time, so I could actually do the comparison]
As to the P900 vs PRO-1000...
I never do comparative reviews between different makes - not in over 15 years of writing detailed reviews. Here's why: www.northlight-images.co.uk/we-never-recommend-best-products/
I'm always happy to answer specific questions on any of my reviews by email, but I make no public comparisons.
I do have a very detailed pro-1000 review, written at the time it came out:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/
This should be compared to the 9900 one
www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-sc-p900-printer-review/
Two more difficulties in comparing 1000 with the 900 are that it's nearly 6 years old and I only get to test printers for a month or so until they go back to the makers
@@KeithCooper If I want a 17" printer I will not consider a smaller printer.
@@veronicafemina1742 why certainly - but there are plenty of people wanting a 13" printer who might not have considered a 17"
The video is there to answer questions I've been asked by people unsure of which they might want.
Personally I wouldn't want a roll paper printer that doesn't have a paper cutter, but that's also got nothing to do with this particular video...
why do you have so many printers
I don't, they belong to Epson or Canon ;-)
I get most for a month or two to test, however, with the number of new printers last year and most offices currently being empty, I've been able to keep them a bit longer - not so bad since my paying photography work has dropped off a lot.
Keeps me busy :-)
You are comparing two printers. Shouldn't it be which is better, not which is best?
My own thoughts are that it is a question that cannot be answered in general. I never normally do product comparisons, but these are so similar in many respects that I feel that it is possible to cover the factors that might lead a person to decide that one is the best for them...