As a swede, I think all us Nordic countries like to "drag each other" for different reasons, but when it comes down to it, when something serious happens, we will be there and support each other. OR at least I *hope* we will be.
Yeah! ... or well, some Swedes will! ... The government abandoned the Finns against the Soviet Union, and then shortly after they did the same to Norway against Nazi Germany... 🫣
"Finlands sak är vår" = "Finlands cause is our cause" was the paroll of Sweden when Soviet attacked Finland 1939. Swedish volunteers went over to fight with Finland against the Soviet invasion, and resulted in 10,000 applicants, of which 8,000 eventually were sent to Finland. In addition Sweden provided economic aid, clothing assistance and medical personnel and took in tens of thousands of "war children", children sent to Sweden by their parents to live in freedom and to be safe from war. I'm a Swedish Xellennial but we still use the expression "Finlands sak är vår". "The general consensus among the Swedish people was that Sweden should join their "brotherland's" fight against the Soviet colossus and the pressure on the Swedish government became enormous. The government was however determined to remain officially neutral in the conflict so support for their neighbours had to be arranged in more inconspicuous ways. The whole country began organising its industries and workers to support the Finnish war effort. At many theatre shows and other events held during this time, the price for entry was "one winter coat to send to Finland" and all salaries payed out on Good Friday in March was collectively elected to be sent to Finland. Uniforms and other military gear were sewn in homes and factories all over the country and weapons and aircraft suddenly "disappeared" from the Swedish military records to be sent up north. The whole country basically stopped to aid the Finnish mobilization."
As a finn.... Yeah we joked about sweds, but thats just friendly, actually we love our swedish neighbours. Like our bros. Even their humor is Same kind. 🇫🇮❤🇸🇪
The Nordic countries basically have banter with each other, like best friends. We are like siblings, we are the same but a bit different, we love each other like siblings, but we also have a relationship with each other just like siblings, sometimes we make fun of each other, sometimes we are jealous of each other, sometimes we banter, sometimes we feel competition with each other, but we feel a connection to each other and we love each other, and if someone comes after us, or something happens we're family in an instant and there for each other. We are brothers. We have fought, but we're family.
When I was 18 I had a summerjob in Stockholm. First I was afraid how to speak swedish well and am I good enough at work. My swedish go-worker said: "Hey come on. We like you finns here because you are punctual and hard working. And even if swedes come first in Sweden, finns are right after them and then are all the other nationalities!" It was very hearth warming and I had a really great summer! Thanks!
Finns are the best! They are family to my opinion, with love. I get proud when they win, do well, get famous etc. I wish we could learn Finnish in our schools here in Sweden. I don’t feel the same about Norwegians or Danish. I don’t know why, but I’ll guess Finnish people are so integrated in Sweden, everybody know a few Finns I would say.
There used to be finnish edjucation even finnish schools at 80s & 90s when there were lots of finnish workers with them families. Many came back to Finland later and less people had to leave in to Sweden to have work so the need of finnish edjucation has dropped and it mighr be harder to find teatchers to teach finnish language too. I lived with my mother 2 years in Stockholm as i were a toddler (early 80s). My friend lived with his family in Södertälje and he was first two years/grades in finnish school there. Even that i didn´t live there very long and i was very little i still have lots of memories from that time. Now every time as i travel to Sweden and the cruise ship gets closer and i can see the two towers in Nacka, i feel like i´m comming back home.
As a Swede with a Finnish grandfather I wanted to learn Finnish in school when it was time to learn a third language, but it wasn't a choice. So reluctantly I took Spanish.
As a Finn, this video does not make me too proud Finn... However funniest thing here was that yeah, best way to "connect" with Norwegians is by telling swedish joke... Works both ways :)
The best way to connect with Scanians in the South of Sweden is to speak ill of Sweden, and of course joke about the abomination North of us and to the left of Finland. Sweden the only nation that would look good with a headstone.
As a Swede my point of view is obviously from 1 side here, but anyway: It seems to me that Finland has this deep-rooted need to show and prove how good they are, especially to Sweden. It is best likened to the relationship between a very successful older brother and a younger brother that is also successful, but is often stuck in the shade of the other. This leads to rivalry, with a bit of resentment sprinkled in. Every time Sweden wins something against Finland it is a catastrophe for the Finns because we are the closest rival to them. Finns are acutely aware of our shared history, but in Sweden we actually don't linger too long on this subject, at least not in school. I find this to be a shame as our 2 peoples have stood together for hundreds of years. Even today Finland and Sweden have probably the closest linked military cooperation in the world. Finns and Swedes, at least in my opinion, go better together than Swedes do with Norwegians and Danes, at least in work settings.
I agree with you. I would like to add something here as well. When nation is conquer by another nation, it changes national identity. I believe it is not so must that Sweds ones conquered Finland, but more so Sweden has never been conquered but Finland is. Like some sort of insecurity.
im swedish, and i die protecting any of my brothers, we are the same blood,we are family. also as a swed, i do feel abit of connection the the baltic nations to, estonia , lithuania and lativa, as they were once part of our kingdom, we have connection to them to. and its all love.
Yeah we are in the center, but there are many of us who will come and help you at the front if the Russians attack you, as some madman among the Russian leaders talked about a few days ago. Just like during WW2 when the Russians invaded you and Swedish volunteers went to Finland to fight and we took care of war children from Finland! But you're bad at ice hockey because you sauna too much so the ice melts under your skates...
"Mitt sa' finnen om Stockholm" or "Mine, said the Finn about Stockholm". Even today it is said that the best thing about Helsinki is that it is so conveniently close to Stockholm. We have formed a single kingdom with the Swedes, and that has been a fortunate thing in every respect. Just today I paid attention to a work of art in the middle of Helsinki; a modern sculpture with a text 'Finland, Sweden, common future'. Separate countries now, but shearing our common Nordic values and experiences of life in the North.
Yes, we have joked about our neighbours, Denmark, Norway and Finland a lot. A lot of times we have jokes about how they sound. Finland we can jokes about they sound like Moomins, Denmark we have jokes about that they talk like they have porridge in their mouths. It can be very hard to understand what danish people say. But it is much easier to understand what Norwegian people say but they always sound so happy all the time, so jokes about Norwegian people can be about how happy they are.
One of the most common joke about Norwegians is "How many Norwegians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Six. One to hold the lightbulb and five to spin him around."
So, we joke about Norwegians but the rest of the Nordics joke about us. 😭😉Ah well. All in good fun I hope. Overall I think we're mostly the same. Just teeny tiny differences. Love to all 😘
Jag menar, vem fan hade inte skämtat om Sverige? Vad finns där att skämta om annars? Sverige är det bögigaste landet uppå jord, och som homosexuell, hade jag gärna sett att vårat förbaskade land, hade lite mer stake. Det är inte ett dugg konstigt att oavsett vart man är i vårt avlånga land, så kallar vi alla Stockholm för fjollträsk. Militär tjänstgöring, åh nej, det kan man inte ha, folk kan ju skada sig, och vi vill ju inte ge något intryck utav att vara aggressiva, vi är ju världens snällaste befolkning. Kom nu här Ahmed, här har du ditt medborgarskap, glöm inte att rösta på Sossarna, annars sparkar de hemska Sverigedemokraterna ut dig... Sverige är ett skämt, kanske inte världens största skämt, Storbritannien, USA, Frankrike och Tyskland är ju desto större skämt, men eftersom vi lever i Sverige, så vår vi känna den unkna stank utav dött villebråd som vårat land är, det jag vill säga är att Sverige är ett skämt som luktar skämt. När tillochmed Amerikaner och Britter kan ägna sig åt att skratta åt Sverige och svenskar, då är det illa, och det är inte bra för dem heller, men när ens skepp sjunker, så är det mycket roande att se någon annans skepp sjunka likaså.
You should see some of the jokes Swedes have made of Finns, and here they are: "Partaj - Jarmo Bastuklubben". Jarmo character there is based on a Finnish actor Jarmo Mäkinen, who has done tough guy/bad guy roles in Sweden, and who tells here, that he's just an actor: "Jarmos bekännelse". Touko "Tom of Finland" Laaksonen was a Finn. You might assume he was a Swede, but no, he was a Finn. If he would have been a Swede, his artwork would probably have been something like what you can see in the My Little Ponies catalogue. Here the Swedish royal family spends Xmas in a Finnish commercial: "Prisma joulu". Thanks to the comedy group Kummeli, we have learned some key characteristics of other nations. In this music quiz the purpose is to guess from which country the song is from: "Kummeli Musavisa Irish O Irish".
2:11 No, Sweden was not really a *very* christian nation. Swedes had plenty of contact with the Finns long before the Viking age or middle ages though. Especially if we talk about Sweden proper, i.e. Svealand. So when Sweden (Svealand and Götaland) became fully unified in the 1200s, it was natural to also include Finland in the new unified kingdom. Pretty similar to how Norrland was included. Finland was still part of Sweden as late as 1809, when it was lost in a war with Russia.
@@x-wing8785 The king and his people were "christan", because Christianity represented power. Very much like the EU and political correctness does today. Most Swedes at the time prefered the old pagan gods. Also, there are no real historical evidence for that so called "bloody crusade". Most likely pure myth. And that "enslavement" is just modern Finnish nationalist's lies.
@@x-wing8785 "Actually" that is considred to be a myth now a days. The first "finnish crusade" was written down in the legend of Swedish king Eric several hundred years after the fact in an effort to make him a saint. The legend is full of miracles and, well legendary things. Despite your opinion on that it was not a invasion of "Finland", it was a penalty expeditions toward part of the Tavast tribe. The Sum tribe (aka Soumi) from the south west and the Tavast in Satakunta, the people of Nyland and the people of Åland was all already a very integrated part of the Swedish kingdom by friendly means. Representatives from finland were part of those who elected the Swedish kings, Swedish Norrland was not - just to put it into som perspective.
And yes, that scene from Shrek personifies Sweden, some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make... at least Finland got independence...
Well, to be fair swedes died like flies too. :) There was some english historian documenting Sweden in the 1600s, who was surprised that women were doing all the job men normally did in other countries, in farms etc. Sweden-Finland were fighting nations tens times their own size. So I think all men that could be recruited were recruited, regardless of where.
These days, many Finns who speak Swedish in Finland, like most of the ones I know, have deep roots here, just like me. They started using Swedish back in the day when Sweden called the shots. But saying they're all about dressing fancy and being wealthier isn't quite on the mark anymore, they are just normal finns with a different language. It's unfortunate that the rest of us have to learn Swedish because of that minority, though.
I've never understood why Finns are calling Swedes gays or insulting them in any other way. I've always liked Sweden and Swedes. I even like the fact that Swedish is mandatory to learn in Finnish school system. I believe that with every language you learn your view of the world widens and so does your appreciation and understanding of different cultures.
I don't even understand how calling them would be insulting? That's just another thing they were way ahead of us. Amount of gay people is same in Finland and Sweden they just were more free in Sweden and closet in Finland.
@@jxhl666 I'd say it's partly the language, which to Finnish ears has much of that same sing-song-y, higher pitched flair many gay men talk with. And the fact that Swedish men tend to be well (or at the very least, better in comparison) groomed and dressed, which apparently isn't something a RealStraightMan™ does.
I watched Boo-klubben every morning with my kids, so they would get positive impression of Swedish language. But later their friends influence and screwed their attitude toward the language and my kids fucked up their Swedish studies like everyone else here in Finland. Shame since access to Scandinavian language family would be very very beneficial.
The First Swedish Crusade was a mythical military expedition in the 1150s. The crusade has traditionally been seen as the first attempt of the Catholic Church and Sweden to convert pagan Finns to Christianity. However, the Christianisation of Southwestern Finland is known to have already started in 10th century, and in the 12th century, the area was probably almost entirely Christian. Also, academics debate whether this crusade actually took place. No archaeological data gives any support for it, and the earliest written sources are from much later. No surviving written source describes Swedish influence in Finland before the end of the 13th Century.
True for the most part, but several written sources confirm that Finland started paying part of the former church tax to the king of Sweden in 1249, when also a new bishop, relative of the king started his term in Turku, Finland. Finland has never been a colony of Sweden in the proper meaning of the word. The Finnish Catholic church was part of the Swedish church organization before Finland was properly incorporated into the Swedish kingdom - which was a fairly loose collection of self governing 'lands' before the mid 1200's. Uppland, Norrland, Svealand and Finland etc. were all 'colonized' then in the sense that they lost their independent status or what was left of it, when the king managed to gain the ultimate power of Sweden. It is another thing that people moved from Swedish speaking Sweden to the Eastern side of the sea to formerly Finnish speaking Finland, but the status of the people was exactly the same, it made no difference what language you spoke. The Swedish law was the same for all. Finland was just like any part of Sweden, only the majority of the people spoke another language.
Dwayne, you really need to watch a hockey game Sweden vs Finland, preferably the World championships or the Olympics, that's when we REALLY hate each other :)
Telling jokes about the neighboring nation is global, I think. In the 1990s I heard many jokes about Armenians from my Russian friend. Those were the exact same jokes as we Finns tell about Swedes. Just the nationalities had been changed. Swedes are our most beloved enemy especially in sports. We have even a saying: "In sports the victory isn't important. The only important thing is that Sweden loses" :D
As a finn, one should put history in perspective. Before there was barely anything in Finland 11-1200AD (Before Turku even had a castle, maybe 50k inhabitants in the land) Swedes came over and pretty much started the country and built it for over 700 years. All the bureaucracy was "swedish". There wasn't even a written finnish language before 1550 (spoken though for decades) and the two first finnish books were printed in Stockholm. After Finland "became a place on the map" russians invaded (1808), ruled for about 100y after wich Finland became its own country, roughly speaking. So last 1000 years Finland has been 14% "nomansland", 66% Sweden, 10% Russia (this was occupation) and 10% Finland (independent).
Sweden was pagan before christianity but maybe christianity came to Sweden before it came to Finland. I don't really know but maybe that was what they meant
It came to Sweden - in blood -, and eventually, we decided to bestow our still pagan neighbour with the same Holy Blessing that we'd received - in blood.
@@wahaha6961 Which country brought Christianity to Sweden then? I have always thought the king just decided to accept Christianity for his country and there were no crusades there.
All our sibling countries keeps getting annoyed by us Swedes. We are constantly being attacked by them poking their little fingers in our belly bottoms for some reasons. We just have to endure it. We are too big to knock them down.
Yeah even us gay people joke about the swedes being gay, i actually wish finland was more open minded because the "ur gay" insult gets used here alot still, but its all in good fun when we say that :)
Though it is true that most of the nobility in Finland was mostly Swedish speakers (Suomenruotsalaiset, or Finlandssvenskar), it definitely wasn't the case in Ostrobothnia (Western Finland). Here most Finlandssvenskar were farmers and fishermen, like the average Finns (Although most had their own land, unlike many Finnish speakers). The stereotype that we are rich definitely is comes from the Finlandssvenskar in Uusimaa as it really isn't accurate for us in Ostrobothnia.
Our little brothers like to joke about the big brother Sweden and that is fine 🙂👍❤️ Swedes also do not joke much about Norweigians, was more common in older days.
Hakka päälle pohjan poika... As half Finn half Swede Im sure Ill enjoy this.. We hate eachother like siblings do.. Its more a competition I guess... Finnish road signs are put over Swedish road signs as soon the finnish population in Finland surpass the Swedish finns etc.. Silly stuff like siblings do
The ending was actually very grimm, "we might even say they are on fire". This is a referance to the daily shootings and frequent bombings in sweden today.
Well...in the beginning the Finns willingly volontered to be apart of Sweden and pay taxes to Sweden to get military protection from the threat of Russia, and Sweden happily accepted becouse ..more taxmoney and a buffert zone. So not really a hostile takover
In the south of Sweden... we don't want to be called in the south of Sweden, but still, currently it makes sense, we also joke about Sweden, I mean, we have wonderful phrases as "Keep Sweden Clean, Throw the Shit in Stockholm." And trust me, when I say, that my Favourite joke ever told, was by a Norwegian guy. "Why does the Swedes live in Sweden and the Camels in the Deserts? ... The Camels got to choose first." Also the people in the South of Sweden are Ethnically Danes, and we'd rather be part of Denmark again, than part of the hellhole that be Sweden.
Ethnically Danes? There are hardly any genetically "Danes" (from the 1600s) left in Skåne. They either fled after the danish defeat or got incorporated to the Swedish army and sent to Baltikum to never come back or brutally smashed down to death by the swedes. So no you are most definitely not a Dane either ethnically nor genetically lol. You need to read history.
Dwayne, also, Finland's our baby brother, you touch them, you touch US (check on historical facts of the Winter War, 1939 - 1940 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War )
I think it might just be a pretty much... I am greedy for more land.... let´s go for a land close thats not the same religion.... like most countries at the time did
Finns and swedes probably traded, went to war with and against during erlier times than after vikings got christianized. Most of finland was not populated by modern finns, but the saame people. There was an immigration wave, probably due to slavic tribes moving in from the south.
Slavic tribes?? Finns are not Slavic nor are Estonians or Karelians.. What are you talking about?? Fex. Finns, Karelians etc. lived even around the area of which now is called St. Petersburg before Slavic people aka Russians came there..
My perception is that we Swedes like our neighboring countries more than they like us. I'm actually fine with it, I sort of get why. There's so much we do in Sweden that doesn't make any sense and I don't think there's been a full week where I didn't feel ashamed for something that has happened, usually it's within politics but also within our judiciary, that's kind of a joke too. We have incredibly good conditions and still we somehow can't navigate this extremely easy life. I'm usually a pretty positive person but in this specific matter I unfortunately don't think we have a very bright future ahead, at least it's not looking very good. It's a nation full of morons that's for sure, naive and gullible to the extent we rather live in a lie than deal with uncomfortable truths. We're like small children where we find the slightest scrutiny to be so unbearable we're even prepared to sacrifice our own national security to avoid dealing with it. Too many people in Sweden won't stand up for the right thing if their self image is at a risk of being shattered, that's how bad it's gotten. Is it out of spinelessness or selfishness I can't really say, nor know which is worse. Whatever the future holds for us I'm absolutely sure we deserve it.
Bit of a silly take, there are always things to improve. But if you look at a random event like COVID you see that it was not politiciced and was handled better than in most other countries. our neighbours will beat us in some things and we beat them in some other things, thats just how it goes.
@@AndreasLarsson-vo3omAgreed, we did the COVID thing well and I generally think Sweden is amazing. But losing the sense of being safe is kind of a big deal. We are no longer safe. Not here and obviously not abroad either. Yay, Sweden.
Finland should be a bit mad at finland looking at history but in times of crisis sweden is there for them and russia is the real enemy, so ultimately it should be surface level at most
Sweden was also pagan at one point but then someone there found religion or was it a woman at the tiny cost of bringing god to the pagans, like its part of Europes history and I assume the religion came in the same way in UK "with a chopchop sword in its hand". Then that map lies, like parts of today's Finland was part of Kingdom of Sweden back then before Sweden had spread to the northern parts of today's Sweden. I think there was even a war between Southern Sweden/Finland and today's northern Sweden/Finland. Like the tribes here in the Nordic countries probably felt the same way as everyone in Europe when Rome came to spread their message of love. Many finns do have a version that we some how would have been united but it was the religion and Kingdom of Sweden that brought "civilization" here, yes a peasant back in the day probably didn't like their position when before that "blessing from god" they just lived their lives without someone poking at the with a stick(I really can't imagine how bad it was for common people back then but I assume that if they hanged people for doing strange stuff then it probably wasn't that great). We should just be happy that it was the Swedes that came first and not the Slavs, because there is nothing left of the finno ugric people on the Slavic side some Uralic people have still survived because they live in conditions that very few people can take, a bit like us in Finland. Was too cold for the Slavs so they just weren't able to "force convert" like the other Finno Ugric tribes between today's Muscow and St' Petersburg. My point is that some finns have problems to understand what was done by Sweden and what was done everywhere in Europe by kings, queens and nobles in the name of the all mighty god. In the end it was a positive thing and there weren't that much fighting compared to the rest of Europe, things spread here faster and much of what we have today has grown from them coming over here. Like all we need to do is look to the east and see what could have been. Thinking that a spot on this planet wouldn't have been claimed by an inbreed on a throne is living in fantasy land, like they even claimed the desert in Africa.
Still they didn't "own" us, we became the same country just that the nobles and leaders had to learn Swedish. Like Sweden itself today is a mix of Finno Ugric people and Scandinavian, like on gene tests you see that Norway and Sweden is heavily mixed while Denmark is a lot less but also they have it in places where trading towns were located back in the day. There has been waves of people moving to Sweden, moving to Finland, moving to Sweden, moving to Finland and so on. So even if I am 34% Karelian I had a tint of Scandinavian blood, I speak FinSwe and 1 of my ancestors are from Sweden but his ancestor was from Finland so try to untangle that when there is not a 3000 year old history of every person alive. I do know that we have highest light hair and light eye color here in Finland and Estonia(if you don't include red then Island and Norway tops it I think) so I assume its a thing carried by the people coming from Asia because among the other Germanic groups its very low so why would Scandinavians suddenly change their genes except if there was a crazy person ruling that sterilized everyone not carrying the light color gene. So my point is that many waves of finns have relocated in central Sweden and its ruled from there so it was really finns speaking Swedish that ruled.
We have a old saying in finland and the translation goes something like this: "Even horses kick out of love" I think it discribes quite well the reason that nordick neighbours pick on each others time to time. You should seen the joy of finns in -95 when we won our first ice hockey World championship.. in Stockholm, agaist swedes, with a swedish coach and on the spot took the swedes winning song to us and after that the whole country sang it everywhere🎉😂
Well back in the day as we still were on the gay joke level this is how swedes tought about finns (all finns are drunks). And here is a short one where some comedian pretends drunken finn czcams.com/users/shortsv7BguqW5cLg
Yes, the Swedes are annoying neighbours also because through out their existence they have used Finland as their "safe zone" between Sweden and Russia (ofcourse also colonizing the area for centuries), they even almost quit their whole army cause they know that if Russians attack from the East the Finnish people will have to deal with it . Such a great neighbour we have, hiding behind our backs eventhough we are much fewer in population! So Heija Sverige for being such a good neighbour for us! 👍👍 Hope you can do little better in the future..
Stop disrespecting all those thousands of Swedish and Finnish soldiers that stood shoulder to shoulder and died for both our peoples. It is not all about your sacrifices, Sweden bled also throughout our common history and as late as the second world war when "Finlands sak är vår". We should be proud of our close bonds and not fall in the trap of feeling like a victim of something.
@@peroman5974Just saying instead of staying "neutral" you guys could have done much more than send around 8,000 swedefins from northern Sweden as volunteers to fight for our freedom.
One big misconception is that Sweden occupied Finland. Finland wasn't a country when Sweden came there and took parts of what is now Finland. It was a part of Sweden, not Finland, since Finland didn't exist. I'm quite happy with Finland being their own country now, I love them, and they have sisu! But I cannot say that I'm content with Åland, it should be a part of Sweden!
Finland was colonized by Sweden just like certain areas in Africa were colonized by fex. Great Britain and France. The countries called Tanzania or Kenya did not exist, but there were people who lived there and whose land got colonized - the country was ruled by English or French speaking people in their languages and the official languages were theirs.. The local people could only get higher positions by learing the rulers language etc. Also the rulers benefitted financially of the resources of the colonized land..
@@kpt002 Since Finland wasn't really a concept back then, it's not correct to say that Sweden colonised Finland. But of course, what is now Finland was colonised by Sweden, just as we colonised the far north of Sweden, which is now called Lappland. It's a bit like saying the UK colonised the USA. In a way it's true, but since the USA didn't exist then it's kind of bull
@@kpt002 No Finland was definitely not colonized like Africa. And the point is not if the countries existed before or not, but what status the people had. In Sweden, the status of the people was exactly the same; Swedish citizens with equal freedoms, rights and duties. The Finnish farmers in Finland did not lose their land at any point; Finland had its representatives in the Swedish house of Estates. Finns also lived in the towns and cities and formed the city councils; Turku remained Finnish speaking and was the third largest city of Sweden. If you compare the circumstances in actual colonies you will right away see the difference. Finland was just a part of Sweden with a funny language.
@@kpt002 I would also like to add that I don't particulary like the words Finland and Finns. It's derogatory much like "Lappar" (Sami), "Zigenare" (Gypsies), and "Tattare" (Traveling people). Finnar (Finns) was/is used about Swedish people too, we have Finnmarken for example. It's established, so I do use the terms, but I'd prefer if we'd use Suomi/Suomilainen. *being a bit woke here I guess*
@@sampohonkala4195 I would beg to differ, if a piece of land has no borders and no ruler, it's not a country. It's not really important how we treat the people there, they could be enslaved or be treated as equal citicens. Bad? Sure, Immoral? I guess, Evil? perhaps. But that's not the point, what is now Finland was unclaimed land, nobody ruled it, nobody had any borders staked out. In principle, it was uncharted territory.
Ice hockey was mentioned, and it is a very complicated matter. There is a war going on there, between Sweden and Finland. As a Swede, of course we should win against Finland. BUT (God forbid) if we loose, then I support Finland. All the way out. Because we can´t have the Canadians win. Even worse would be if the US wins, and worst of all, if Russia wins (not sure they have a team anymore though). So, there is the complicated matter of ice hockey, at least for me as a Swede. Fight the Finns! But if we loose, SUPPORT the Finns!
When Finnic and Scandinavian people first came into contact there was no religions. Not 100% sure now but I think it was the vikings that came into contact with religions and over the year then adapted it to an area in Sweden. So they started with the pagans on their side and then sailed to our side to spread the joy of feel the love of god either from a sharp blade or kneeling down(the love of god is so great that people lost their heads from the power of that love). So the rough answer would be that it came there first and then as all religions, they just love to spread the love of their religion by using violence. Edit: There was Scandinavian presence in Finland before Sweden existed so hes not completely correct as there was Finnic presence in today's Sweden before Sweden existed.
To your question about was Sweden a Christian country? And did that have to do with their invading Finland their neighbor? Simple answered in the words of truth of the scriptures from the Bible. And from the same words that spoke all into existence. Love thy neighbor as thyself!! Pray for those who persecute you, and bless those who curse you! Love thy enemy. If we love only those who love us, even the pagans do that. Deal with those without understanding with understanding knowing that you to were once without understanding(👈🏻Which is a free gift from our creator above to those who seek with faith). Seek and ye shall find!! Easy as that for who who has faith and asks for nothing stands in the way of who spoke all into existence HalleluYahuah!! But don’t trust me test and pray and ask to see!! And if you pay attention and listen to what God/Aluahim answers if you ask with faith you will be shown freely in spiritual truth also!! But would you see the savior who laid his life down on the cross for others sins operate that way to get others to see? Or would he be a light exactly how he walked healing, serving, loving, and patiently suffering for others with grace?!! Blessings 🙏🏼
3:30 Sweden didn't "colonise" or exploit Finland any more than they did the same with other land masses or people within current Sweden. "Finland" is a Swedish word. Finland as a country didn't exist as a concept until Sweden created it. Sweden built its cities, institutions, schools, hospitals, and so on. Finns were Swedes, plain and simple! Just like all the other groups within Sweden were.
Suomi was a place for many different tribes way before there was even a country called Sweden. And Sweden existed way before there was a country called Sweden.
That attitude of Swedes I really hate. That somehow our ancestors were inferior and nothing and we should be thankful for you guys destroying our religions and enslaving us under serfdom.
@@hextatik_sound The other way round, the land existed before there was a Sweden. Same with Finland, of course. And "many tribes" goes for practically every place on earth at the time :)
As a swede, I think all us Nordic countries like to "drag each other" for different reasons, but when it comes down to it, when something serious happens, we will be there and support each other. OR at least I *hope* we will be.
Yeah! ... or well, some Swedes will! ... The government abandoned the Finns against the Soviet Union, and then shortly after they did the same to Norway against Nazi Germany... 🫣
Exactly. It's very much like only we can bully each other and no one else
I as a Swede am truly ashamed of this happening and really hope our northern brothers one day will forgive us for this.
This is healthy and normal among siblings. 😁
Inside this nordic "family" everything come with love behind it. Even bad jokes.
The Nordic countries annoy the shit of eachother, because that what siblings do!
"Finlands sak är vår" = "Finlands cause is our cause" was the paroll of Sweden when Soviet attacked Finland 1939. Swedish volunteers went over to fight with Finland against the Soviet invasion, and resulted in 10,000 applicants, of which 8,000 eventually were sent to Finland. In addition Sweden provided economic aid, clothing assistance and medical personnel and took in tens of thousands of "war children", children sent to Sweden by their parents to live in freedom and to be safe from war.
I'm a Swedish Xellennial but we still use the expression "Finlands sak är vår".
"The general consensus among the Swedish people was that Sweden should join their "brotherland's" fight against the Soviet colossus and the pressure on the Swedish government became enormous. The government was however determined to remain officially neutral in the conflict so support for their neighbours had to be arranged in more inconspicuous ways. The whole country began organising its industries and workers to support the Finnish war effort. At many theatre shows and other events held during this time, the price for entry was "one winter coat to send to Finland" and all salaries payed out on Good Friday in March was collectively elected to be sent to Finland. Uniforms and other military gear were sewn in homes and factories all over the country and weapons and aircraft suddenly "disappeared" from the Swedish military records to be sent up north. The whole country basically stopped to aid the Finnish mobilization."
I love Finland and Finns. Love them.
As a finn.... Yeah we joked about sweds, but thats just friendly, actually we love our swedish neighbours. Like our bros. Even their humor is Same kind. 🇫🇮❤🇸🇪
The Nordic countries basically have banter with each other, like best friends. We are like siblings, we are the same but a bit different, we love each other like siblings, but we also have a relationship with each other just like siblings, sometimes we make fun of each other, sometimes we are jealous of each other, sometimes we banter, sometimes we feel competition with each other, but we feel a connection to each other and we love each other, and if someone comes after us, or something happens we're family in an instant and there for each other. We are brothers. We have fought, but we're family.
When I was 18 I had a summerjob in Stockholm. First I was afraid how to speak swedish well and am I good enough at work.
My swedish go-worker said: "Hey come on. We like you finns here because you are punctual and hard working. And even if swedes come first in Sweden, finns are right after them and then are all the other nationalities!"
It was very hearth warming and I had a really great summer! Thanks!
Finns are the best! They are family to my opinion, with love.
I get proud when they win, do well, get famous etc. I wish we could learn Finnish in our schools here in Sweden. I don’t feel the same about Norwegians or Danish. I don’t know why, but I’ll guess Finnish people are so integrated in Sweden, everybody know a few Finns I would say.
Hey! We do that too. When something is swedish or even nordic then we take it as local.
There used to be finnish edjucation even finnish schools at 80s & 90s when there were lots of finnish workers with them families. Many came back to Finland later and less people had to leave in to Sweden to have work so the need of finnish edjucation has dropped and it mighr be harder to find teatchers to teach finnish language too.
I lived with my mother 2 years in Stockholm as i were a toddler (early 80s). My friend lived with his family in Södertälje and he was first two years/grades in finnish school there.
Even that i didn´t live there very long and i was very little i still have lots of memories from that time. Now every time as i travel to Sweden and the cruise ship gets closer and i can see the two towers in Nacka, i feel like i´m comming back home.
Youre still gay
Some of your ancestors oppressed us many times so we kinda hate the west and the swedish government like our own also. Remember the history. 🇫🇮🇷🇺
sweden Finland is hate love in the end we love each other
True. At the end of the day we both sit together with a cup of coffee each in our hands and share our mutual hatred for Russia
As a Swede with a Finnish grandfather I wanted to learn Finnish in school when it was time to learn a third language, but it wasn't a choice. So reluctantly I took Spanish.
As a Finn, this video does not make me too proud Finn... However funniest thing here was that yeah, best way to "connect" with Norwegians is by telling swedish joke... Works both ways :)
The best way to connect with Scanians in the South of Sweden is to speak ill of Sweden, and of course joke about the abomination North of us and to the left of Finland. Sweden the only nation that would look good with a headstone.
Englishman says Scotland and England are annoying each other, meanwhile neither of them ever remembers the existence of Wales...
As a Swede my point of view is obviously from 1 side here, but anyway:
It seems to me that Finland has this deep-rooted need to show and prove how good they are, especially to Sweden. It is best likened to the relationship between a very successful older brother and a younger brother that is also successful, but is often stuck in the shade of the other. This leads to rivalry, with a bit of resentment sprinkled in. Every time Sweden wins something against Finland it is a catastrophe for the Finns because we are the closest rival to them.
Finns are acutely aware of our shared history, but in Sweden we actually don't linger too long on this subject, at least not in school. I find this to be a shame as our 2 peoples have stood together for hundreds of years. Even today Finland and Sweden have probably the closest linked military cooperation in the world. Finns and Swedes, at least in my opinion, go better together than Swedes do with Norwegians and Danes, at least in work settings.
I agree with you. I would like to add something here as well. When nation is conquer by another nation, it changes national identity. I believe it is not so must that Sweds ones conquered Finland, but more so Sweden has never been conquered but Finland is. Like some sort of insecurity.
im swedish, and i die protecting any of my brothers, we are the same blood,we are family. also as a swed, i do feel abit of connection the the baltic nations to, estonia , lithuania and lativa, as they were once part of our kingdom, we have connection to them to. and its all love.
Sweden sits there, in the center protected from all sides so.. of course we make fun of them the most.
Yeah we are in the center, but there are many of us who will come and help you at the front if the Russians attack you, as some madman among the Russian leaders talked about a few days ago. Just like during WW2 when the Russians invaded you and Swedish volunteers went to Finland to fight and we took care of war children from Finland! But you're bad at ice hockey because you sauna too much so the ice melts under your skates...
"Mitt sa' finnen om Stockholm" or "Mine, said the Finn about Stockholm". Even today it is said that the best thing about Helsinki is that it is so conveniently close to Stockholm. We have formed a single kingdom with the Swedes, and that has been a fortunate thing in every respect. Just today I paid attention to a work of art in the middle of Helsinki; a modern sculpture with a text 'Finland, Sweden, common future'. Separate countries now, but shearing our common Nordic values and experiences of life in the North.
Yes, we have joked about our neighbours, Denmark, Norway and Finland a lot.
A lot of times we have jokes about how they sound. Finland we can jokes about they sound like Moomins, Denmark we have jokes about that they talk like they have porridge in their mouths. It can be very hard to understand what danish people say. But it is much easier to understand what Norwegian people say but they always sound so happy all the time, so jokes about Norwegian people can be about how happy they are.
One of the most common joke about Norwegians is "How many Norwegians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Six. One to hold the lightbulb and five to spin him around."
So, we joke about Norwegians but the rest of the Nordics joke about us. 😭😉Ah well. All in good fun I hope. Overall I think we're mostly the same. Just teeny tiny differences. Love to all 😘
Jag menar, vem fan hade inte skämtat om Sverige? Vad finns där att skämta om annars? Sverige är det bögigaste landet uppå jord, och som homosexuell, hade jag gärna sett att vårat förbaskade land, hade lite mer stake. Det är inte ett dugg konstigt att oavsett vart man är i vårt avlånga land, så kallar vi alla Stockholm för fjollträsk.
Militär tjänstgöring, åh nej, det kan man inte ha, folk kan ju skada sig, och vi vill ju inte ge något intryck utav att vara aggressiva, vi är ju världens snällaste befolkning. Kom nu här Ahmed, här har du ditt medborgarskap, glöm inte att rösta på Sossarna, annars sparkar de hemska Sverigedemokraterna ut dig...
Sverige är ett skämt, kanske inte världens största skämt, Storbritannien, USA, Frankrike och Tyskland är ju desto större skämt, men eftersom vi lever i Sverige, så vår vi känna den unkna stank utav dött villebråd som vårat land är, det jag vill säga är att Sverige är ett skämt som luktar skämt.
När tillochmed Amerikaner och Britter kan ägna sig åt att skratta åt Sverige och svenskar, då är det illa, och det är inte bra för dem heller, men när ens skepp sjunker, så är det mycket roande att se någon annans skepp sjunka likaså.
Kaikki tuntee apinan mutta apina ei tunne ketään ;)
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You should see some of the jokes Swedes have made of Finns, and here they are: "Partaj - Jarmo Bastuklubben". Jarmo character there is based on a Finnish actor Jarmo Mäkinen, who has done tough guy/bad guy roles in Sweden, and who tells here, that he's just an actor: "Jarmos bekännelse". Touko "Tom of Finland" Laaksonen was a Finn. You might assume he was a Swede, but no, he was a Finn. If he would have been a Swede, his artwork would probably have been something like what you can see in the My Little Ponies catalogue. Here the Swedish royal family spends Xmas in a Finnish commercial: "Prisma joulu". Thanks to the comedy group Kummeli, we have learned some key characteristics of other nations. In this music quiz the purpose is to guess from which country the song is from: "Kummeli Musavisa Irish O Irish".
Dont forget The Finnish Way of Drinking by Robert Gustafsson
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We should work even more together. I know that Finland in many areas are better than Sweden. We can learn from eachother. I am swedish.
We are siblings up here, we beat each other up when we can but no one touches any of the others except us
Exactly.
We actually love eachother, it’s just a joke. :)
2:11 No, Sweden was not really a *very* christian nation. Swedes had plenty of contact with the Finns long before the Viking age or middle ages though. Especially if we talk about Sweden proper, i.e. Svealand. So when Sweden (Svealand and Götaland) became fully unified in the 1200s, it was natural to also include Finland in the new unified kingdom. Pretty similar to how Norrland was included. Finland was still part of Sweden as late as 1809, when it was lost in a war with Russia.
@@x-wing8785 Yes.
@@x-wing8785 The king and his people were "christan", because Christianity represented power. Very much like the EU and political correctness does today.
Most Swedes at the time prefered the old pagan gods. Also, there are no real historical evidence for that so called "bloody crusade". Most likely pure myth. And that "enslavement" is just modern Finnish nationalist's lies.
@@x-wing8785 "Actually" that is considred to be a myth now a days. The first "finnish crusade" was written down in the legend of Swedish king Eric several hundred years after the fact in an effort to make him a saint. The legend is full of miracles and, well legendary things.
Despite your opinion on that it was not a invasion of "Finland", it was a penalty expeditions toward part of the Tavast tribe. The Sum tribe (aka Soumi) from the south west and the Tavast in Satakunta, the people of Nyland and the people of Åland was all already a very integrated part of the Swedish kingdom by friendly means. Representatives from finland were part of those who elected the Swedish kings, Swedish Norrland was not - just to put it into som perspective.
@@sirseigan I mean... If we're going by that logic, you could argue that Russia is attempting to include Ukraine in a new unified state.
@@x-wing8785 You mean today's severely politicised museums and university institutions? Yeah, sure...
And yes, that scene from Shrek personifies Sweden, some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make... at least Finland got independence...
Well, to be fair swedes died like flies too. :) There was some english historian documenting Sweden in the 1600s, who was surprised that women were doing all the job men normally did in other countries, in farms etc.
Sweden-Finland were fighting nations tens times their own size. So I think all men that could be recruited were recruited, regardless of where.
The nordic countrys is the best of friends 😊 but its fun to annoy your ”siblings” sometimes 😁
Simple answer: Finland and Sweden love each other but we finns make just jokes about Sweden cause we love Sweden....
We just dont want to say that
These days, many Finns who speak Swedish in Finland, like most of the ones I know, have deep roots here, just like me. They started using Swedish back in the day when Sweden called the shots. But saying they're all about dressing fancy and being wealthier isn't quite on the mark anymore, they are just normal finns with a different language. It's unfortunate that the rest of us have to learn Swedish because of that minority, though.
I've never understood why Finns are calling Swedes gays or insulting them in any other way. I've always liked Sweden and Swedes. I even like the fact that Swedish is mandatory to learn in Finnish school system. I believe that with every language you learn your view of the world widens and so does your appreciation and understanding of different cultures.
U are so gay😂silly!
I don't even understand how calling them would be insulting? That's just another thing they were way ahead of us. Amount of gay people is same in Finland and Sweden they just were more free in Sweden and closet in Finland.
I've always thought that it's because of the language. Swedish sounds really happy and like.. bouncy language to my finnish ears.
@@jxhl666 I'd say it's partly the language, which to Finnish ears has much of that same sing-song-y, higher pitched flair many gay men talk with. And the fact that Swedish men tend to be well (or at the very least, better in comparison) groomed and dressed, which apparently isn't something a RealStraightMan™ does.
I watched Boo-klubben every morning with my kids, so they would get positive impression of Swedish language. But later their friends influence and screwed their attitude toward the language and my kids fucked up their Swedish studies like everyone else here in Finland. Shame since access to Scandinavian language family would be very very beneficial.
The First Swedish Crusade was a mythical military expedition in the 1150s. The crusade has traditionally been seen as the first attempt of the Catholic Church and Sweden to convert pagan Finns to Christianity. However, the Christianisation of Southwestern Finland is known to have already started in 10th century, and in the 12th century, the area was probably almost entirely Christian.
Also, academics debate whether this crusade actually took place. No archaeological data gives any support for it, and the earliest written sources are from much later. No surviving written source describes Swedish influence in Finland before the end of the 13th Century.
True for the most part, but several written sources confirm that Finland started paying part of the former church tax to the king of Sweden in 1249, when also a new bishop, relative of the king started his term in Turku, Finland.
Finland has never been a colony of Sweden in the proper meaning of the word. The Finnish Catholic church was part of the Swedish church organization before Finland was properly incorporated into the Swedish kingdom - which was a fairly loose collection of self governing 'lands' before the mid 1200's. Uppland, Norrland, Svealand and Finland etc. were all 'colonized' then in the sense that they lost their independent status or what was left of it, when the king managed to gain the ultimate power of Sweden.
It is another thing that people moved from Swedish speaking Sweden to the Eastern side of the sea to formerly Finnish speaking Finland, but the status of the people was exactly the same, it made no difference what language you spoke. The Swedish law was the same for all. Finland was just like any part of Sweden, only the majority of the people spoke another language.
nope as a Finn I can say we don't hate the Swedes. Of course there are jokes etc. We are the backbone of their countrys security and they know it.
Dwayne, you really need to watch a hockey game Sweden vs Finland, preferably the World championships or the Olympics, that's when we REALLY hate each other :)
Telling jokes about the neighboring nation is global, I think. In the 1990s I heard many jokes about Armenians from my Russian friend. Those were the exact same jokes as we Finns tell about Swedes. Just the nationalities had been changed.
Swedes are our most beloved enemy especially in sports. We have even a saying: "In sports the victory isn't important. The only important thing is that Sweden loses" :D
I'd like to send my heartfelt thanks to Iceland.
At least they care enough to joke about us!
Peace and love from Denmark
As a finn, one should put history in perspective. Before there was barely anything in Finland 11-1200AD (Before Turku even had a castle, maybe 50k inhabitants in the land) Swedes came over and pretty much started the country and built it for over 700 years. All the bureaucracy was "swedish". There wasn't even a written finnish language before 1550 (spoken though for decades) and the two first finnish books were printed in Stockholm. After Finland "became a place on the map" russians invaded (1808), ruled for about 100y after wich Finland became its own country, roughly speaking. So last 1000 years Finland has been 14% "nomansland", 66% Sweden, 10% Russia (this was occupation) and 10% Finland (independent).
Sweden was pagan before christianity but maybe christianity came to Sweden before it came to Finland. I don't really know but maybe that was what they meant
It came to Sweden - in blood -, and eventually, we decided to bestow our still pagan neighbour with the same Holy Blessing that we'd received - in blood.
@@wahaha6961 Which country brought Christianity to Sweden then? I have always thought the king just decided to accept Christianity for his country and there were no crusades there.
2:40 I almost pissed myself xD Love that scene and perfect use of it hahhaha
Eurovision and ice hockey MM are the ones that truly brings the rivalry to surface. As Fin loosing is ok if we at least win Sweden =D =D =D
Försvarsmakten: Fördjupat försvarssamarbete med Finland.
All our sibling countries keeps getting annoyed by us Swedes. We are constantly being attacked by them poking their little fingers in our belly bottoms for some reasons. We just have to endure it. We are too big to knock them down.
Yeah even us gay people joke about the swedes being gay, i actually wish finland was more open minded because the "ur gay" insult gets used here alot still, but its all in good fun when we say that :)
Though it is true that most of the nobility in Finland was mostly Swedish speakers (Suomenruotsalaiset, or Finlandssvenskar), it definitely wasn't the case in Ostrobothnia (Western Finland). Here most Finlandssvenskar were farmers and fishermen, like the average Finns (Although most had their own land, unlike many Finnish speakers). The stereotype that we are rich definitely is comes from the Finlandssvenskar in Uusimaa as it really isn't accurate for us in Ostrobothnia.
Our little brothers like to joke about the big brother Sweden and that is fine 🙂👍❤️ Swedes also do not joke much about Norweigians, was more common in older days.
out "big" brother loves to hide behind us ands that is fine 🙂👍❤
But the time has come when big brother has started to suffer of dementia and little brothers enjoy the life...
Hakka päälle pohjan poika... As half Finn half Swede Im sure Ill enjoy this.. We hate eachother like siblings do.. Its more a competition I guess... Finnish road signs are put over Swedish road signs as soon the finnish population in Finland surpass the Swedish finns etc.. Silly stuff like siblings do
The ending was actually very grimm, "we might even say they are on fire". This is a referance to the daily shootings and frequent bombings in sweden today.
700 years together
Well...in the beginning the Finns willingly volontered to be apart of Sweden and pay taxes to Sweden to get military protection from the threat of Russia, and Sweden happily accepted becouse ..more taxmoney and a buffert zone. So not really a hostile takover
In the south of Sweden... we don't want to be called in the south of Sweden, but still, currently it makes sense, we also joke about Sweden, I mean, we have wonderful phrases as "Keep Sweden Clean, Throw the Shit in Stockholm." And trust me, when I say, that my Favourite joke ever told, was by a Norwegian guy. "Why does the Swedes live in Sweden and the Camels in the Deserts? ... The Camels got to choose first." Also the people in the South of Sweden are Ethnically Danes, and we'd rather be part of Denmark again, than part of the hellhole that be Sweden.
Ethnically Danes? There are hardly any genetically "Danes" (from the 1600s) left in Skåne. They either fled after the danish defeat or got incorporated to the Swedish army and sent to Baltikum to never come back or brutally smashed down to death by the swedes. So no you are most definitely not a Dane either ethnically nor genetically lol. You need to read history.
Dwayne, also, Finland's our baby brother, you touch them, you touch US (check on historical facts of the Winter War, 1939 - 1940 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War )
I think it might just be a pretty much... I am greedy for more land.... let´s go for a land close thats not the same religion.... like most countries at the time did
Finns and swedes probably traded, went to war with and against during erlier times than after vikings got christianized. Most of finland was not populated by modern finns, but the saame people. There was an immigration wave, probably due to slavic tribes moving in from the south.
Slavic tribes?? Finns are not Slavic nor are Estonians or Karelians.. What are you talking about?? Fex. Finns, Karelians etc. lived even around the area of which now is called St. Petersburg before Slavic people aka Russians came there..
@@kpt002that's exactly what I meant. The slavs moved in, Estonians and Finn's moved north and west.
Finnish and Estonian probably became seperate languages not more than 2000 years ago.
My perception is that we Swedes like our neighboring countries more than they like us. I'm actually fine with it, I sort of get why. There's so much we do in Sweden that doesn't make any sense and I don't think there's been a full week where I didn't feel ashamed for something that has happened, usually it's within politics but also within our judiciary, that's kind of a joke too. We have incredibly good conditions and still we somehow can't navigate this extremely easy life.
I'm usually a pretty positive person but in this specific matter I unfortunately don't think we have a very bright future ahead, at least it's not looking very good. It's a nation full of morons that's for sure, naive and gullible to the extent we rather live in a lie than deal with uncomfortable truths. We're like small children where we find the slightest scrutiny to be so unbearable we're even prepared to sacrifice our own national security to avoid dealing with it.
Too many people in Sweden won't stand up for the right thing if their self image is at a risk of being shattered, that's how bad it's gotten. Is it out of spinelessness or selfishness I can't really say, nor know which is worse. Whatever the future holds for us I'm absolutely sure we deserve it.
And you're wrong, gay is funny.
The way things are going here in Sweden, we have lost our right to brag about how good we are. 😂 Our neighbors are better!
Don't worry, "we" just elected a bunch of nazis and religious nut jobs to run the country for the next 4 years. Finland is fu**ed!
Oh yea. How does it feel living in Sweden now? We have followed the situation EXTREMELY carefully here in Finland
I will never admit it
Bit of a silly take, there are always things to improve. But if you look at a random event like COVID you see that it was not politiciced and was handled better than in most other countries. our neighbours will beat us in some things and we beat them in some other things, thats just how it goes.
@@AndreasLarsson-vo3omAgreed, we did the COVID thing well and I generally think Sweden is amazing. But losing the sense of being safe is kind of a big deal. We are no longer safe. Not here and obviously not abroad either. Yay, Sweden.
Denmark, Norway and Finland joking mostly about sweden. My reaction: they hate us cause they aint us ;)
Nobody hates you, C'mon mate.
Finland should be a bit mad at finland looking at history but in times of crisis sweden is there for them and russia is the real enemy, so ultimately it should be surface level at most
Sweden was also pagan at one point but then someone there found religion or was it a woman at the tiny cost of bringing god to the pagans, like its part of Europes history and I assume the religion came in the same way in UK "with a chopchop sword in its hand".
Then that map lies, like parts of today's Finland was part of Kingdom of Sweden back then before Sweden had spread to the northern parts of today's Sweden. I think there was even a war between Southern Sweden/Finland and today's northern Sweden/Finland.
Like the tribes here in the Nordic countries probably felt the same way as everyone in Europe when Rome came to spread their message of love. Many finns do have a version that we some how would have been united but it was the religion and Kingdom of Sweden that brought "civilization" here, yes a peasant back in the day probably didn't like their position when before that "blessing from god" they just lived their lives without someone poking at the with a stick(I really can't imagine how bad it was for common people back then but I assume that if they hanged people for doing strange stuff then it probably wasn't that great). We should just be happy that it was the Swedes that came first and not the Slavs, because there is nothing left of the finno ugric people on the Slavic side some Uralic people have still survived because they live in conditions that very few people can take, a bit like us in Finland. Was too cold for the Slavs so they just weren't able to "force convert" like the other Finno Ugric tribes between today's Muscow and St' Petersburg.
My point is that some finns have problems to understand what was done by Sweden and what was done everywhere in Europe by kings, queens and nobles in the name of the all mighty god. In the end it was a positive thing and there weren't that much fighting compared to the rest of Europe, things spread here faster and much of what we have today has grown from them coming over here. Like all we need to do is look to the east and see what could have been. Thinking that a spot on this planet wouldn't have been claimed by an inbreed on a throne is living in fantasy land, like they even claimed the desert in Africa.
Still they didn't "own" us, we became the same country just that the nobles and leaders had to learn Swedish. Like Sweden itself today is a mix of Finno Ugric people and Scandinavian, like on gene tests you see that Norway and Sweden is heavily mixed while Denmark is a lot less but also they have it in places where trading towns were located back in the day. There has been waves of people moving to Sweden, moving to Finland, moving to Sweden, moving to Finland and so on. So even if I am 34% Karelian I had a tint of Scandinavian blood, I speak FinSwe and 1 of my ancestors are from Sweden but his ancestor was from Finland so try to untangle that when there is not a 3000 year old history of every person alive. I do know that we have highest light hair and light eye color here in Finland and Estonia(if you don't include red then Island and Norway tops it I think) so I assume its a thing carried by the people coming from Asia because among the other Germanic groups its very low so why would Scandinavians suddenly change their genes except if there was a crazy person ruling that sterilized everyone not carrying the light color gene. So my point is that many waves of finns have relocated in central Sweden and its ruled from there so it was really finns speaking Swedish that ruled.
We have a old saying in finland and the translation goes something like this: "Even horses kick out of love"
I think it discribes quite well the reason that nordick neighbours pick on each others time to time.
You should seen the joy of finns in -95 when we won our first ice hockey World championship.. in Stockholm, agaist swedes, with a swedish coach and on the spot took the swedes winning song to us and after that the whole country sang it everywhere🎉😂
Well back in the day as we still were on the gay joke level this is how swedes tought about finns (all finns are drunks). And here is a short one where some comedian pretends drunken finn czcams.com/users/shortsv7BguqW5cLg
Sweden is not the annoying neighbour at all.
I would say it is the neighbour in the east.
As a Swede, I have no problem being called "gay", because the definition of a "man" is a Finnish woman.
😂
They can joke about our gang wars
yeah.... but - no. We are following the situations closely.
Sweden Jones abot. Norway
Yes, the Swedes are annoying neighbours also because through out their existence they have used Finland as their "safe zone" between Sweden and Russia (ofcourse also colonizing the area for centuries), they even almost quit their whole army cause they know that if Russians attack from the East the Finnish people will have to deal with it . Such a great neighbour we have, hiding behind our backs eventhough we are much fewer in population! So Heija Sverige for being such a good neighbour for us! 👍👍 Hope you can do little better in the future..
Stop disrespecting all those thousands of Swedish and Finnish soldiers that stood shoulder to shoulder and died for both our peoples. It is not all about your sacrifices, Sweden bled also throughout our common history and as late as the second world war when "Finlands sak är vår". We should be proud of our close bonds and not fall in the trap of feeling like a victim of something.
@@peroman5974Just saying instead of staying "neutral" you guys could have done much more than send around 8,000 swedefins from northern Sweden as volunteers to fight for our freedom.
Finns calling Swedish G has gone down drastically. Which is great. Never understood it
it's a shitty joke. nothing more really.
Cheers to all my Swedistan neighbors! Stay strong o7
One big misconception is that Sweden occupied Finland. Finland wasn't a country when Sweden came there and took parts of what is now Finland. It was a part of Sweden, not Finland, since Finland didn't exist.
I'm quite happy with Finland being their own country now, I love them, and they have sisu!
But I cannot say that I'm content with Åland, it should be a part of Sweden!
Finland was colonized by Sweden just like certain areas in Africa were colonized by fex. Great Britain and France. The countries called Tanzania or Kenya did not exist, but there were people who lived there and whose land got colonized - the country was ruled by English or French speaking people in their languages and the official languages were theirs.. The local people could only get higher positions by learing the rulers language etc. Also the rulers benefitted financially of the resources of the colonized land..
@@kpt002 Since Finland wasn't really a concept back then, it's not correct to say that Sweden colonised Finland.
But of course, what is now Finland was colonised by Sweden, just as we colonised the far north of Sweden, which is now called Lappland.
It's a bit like saying the UK colonised the USA. In a way it's true, but since the USA didn't exist then it's kind of bull
@@kpt002 No Finland was definitely not colonized like Africa. And the point is not if the countries existed before or not, but what status the people had. In Sweden, the status of the people was exactly the same; Swedish citizens with equal freedoms, rights and duties. The Finnish farmers in Finland did not lose their land at any point; Finland had its representatives in the Swedish house of Estates. Finns also lived in the towns and cities and formed the city councils; Turku remained Finnish speaking and was the third largest city of Sweden. If you compare the circumstances in actual colonies you will right away see the difference. Finland was just a part of Sweden with a funny language.
@@kpt002 I would also like to add that I don't particulary like the words Finland and Finns. It's derogatory much like "Lappar" (Sami), "Zigenare" (Gypsies), and "Tattare" (Traveling people).
Finnar (Finns) was/is used about Swedish people too, we have Finnmarken for example.
It's established, so I do use the terms, but I'd prefer if we'd use Suomi/Suomilainen.
*being a bit woke here I guess*
@@sampohonkala4195 I would beg to differ, if a piece of land has no borders and no ruler, it's not a country.
It's not really important how we treat the people there, they could be enslaved or be treated as equal citicens.
Bad? Sure, Immoral? I guess, Evil? perhaps.
But that's not the point, what is now Finland was unclaimed land, nobody ruled it, nobody had any borders staked out.
In principle, it was uncharted territory.
9:05 How do you mean "anymore"? I didn't find gay jokes very funny in the 1970s either... usually.
Ice hockey was mentioned, and it is a very complicated matter. There is a war going on there, between Sweden and Finland. As a Swede, of course we should win against Finland. BUT (God forbid) if we loose, then I support Finland. All the way out. Because we can´t have the Canadians win. Even worse would be if the US wins, and worst of all, if Russia wins (not sure they have a team anymore though). So, there is the complicated matter of ice hockey, at least for me as a Swede. Fight the Finns! But if we loose, SUPPORT the Finns!
When Finnic and Scandinavian people first came into contact there was no religions. Not 100% sure now but I think it was the vikings that came into contact with religions and over the year then adapted it to an area in Sweden. So they started with the pagans on their side and then sailed to our side to spread the joy of feel the love of god either from a sharp blade or kneeling down(the love of god is so great that people lost their heads from the power of that love).
So the rough answer would be that it came there first and then as all religions, they just love to spread the love of their religion by using violence.
Edit: There was Scandinavian presence in Finland before Sweden existed so hes not completely correct as there was Finnic presence in today's Sweden before Sweden existed.
To your question about was Sweden a Christian country? And did that have to do with their invading Finland their neighbor? Simple answered in the words of truth of the scriptures from the Bible. And from the same words that spoke all into existence. Love thy neighbor as thyself!! Pray for those who persecute you, and bless those who curse you! Love thy enemy. If we love only those who love us, even the pagans do that. Deal with those without understanding with understanding knowing that you to were once without understanding(👈🏻Which is a free gift from our creator above to those who seek with faith). Seek and ye shall find!! Easy as that for who who has faith and asks for nothing stands in the way of who spoke all into existence HalleluYahuah!! But don’t trust me test and pray and ask to see!! And if you pay attention and listen to what God/Aluahim answers if you ask with faith you will be shown freely in spiritual truth also!! But would you see the savior who laid his life down on the cross for others sins operate that way to get others to see? Or would he be a light exactly how he walked healing, serving, loving, and patiently suffering for others with grace?!! Blessings 🙏🏼
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3:30 Sweden didn't "colonise" or exploit Finland any more than they did the same with other land masses or people within current Sweden. "Finland" is a Swedish word. Finland as a country didn't exist as a concept until Sweden created it. Sweden built its cities, institutions, schools, hospitals, and so on. Finns were Swedes, plain and simple! Just like all the other groups within Sweden were.
Suomi was a place for many different tribes way before there was even a country called Sweden. And Sweden existed way before there was a country called Sweden.
That attitude of Swedes I really hate. That somehow our ancestors were inferior and nothing and we should be thankful for you guys destroying our religions and enslaving us under serfdom.
@@hextatik_sound The other way round, the land existed before there was a Sweden. Same with Finland, of course. And "many tribes" goes for practically every place on earth at the time :)
@@herrbonk3635 That's exactly what I said.
@@hextatik_sound By the video, yes, but not by this dude.
as a swede finland is eastern sweden!
¡Oye! 😡😂
No thank you! Ei kiitos! Nej tack! Aldrig igen!
😅 thank you, sir.