winging BIG Armstong foils back-to-back APF1675 / APF1350 / HA1180
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- this has been on my mind for the past few weeks. it's even the second time I tried to compare these, last time the wind crapped out before I was done and satisfied. so paired with my 7m Duotone Ventis, I cycle through all my large Armstrong foils while winging in one session to compare their speeds and characteristics. are the APF foils wingable? how do they compare to the largest HA that Armstrong recently put out? I aim to figure this out once and for all in a high-stakes match up that may put one of my foils on the chopping block.
gear ridden this sesh:
Armstrong 107L dw board
APF 1675 foil
APF 1350 foil
HA 1180 foil
40 dart stab (red & blue shims)
795 HW mast
60cm fuse
7m Duotone Ventis
Great stuff. It's refreshing for a reviewer to straight talk on gear performance. So many reviewers/sponsored rider "reviews" are just promotional garbage. Thanks for keeping it real!
awww thanks so much bud! I like to think I'm keeping it real :P I wish you an awesome weekend!!
Thanks
Will be buying the 1350
Well done. 👍 best reviews on the internet. Armstrong should be PAYING YOU because I recommend the gear, and it’s your feedback that has me pinpoint per rider.
haha thanks bud! you should have zero regrets with the 1350! I' love that foil! LMK what you think when you get it. hope all is well, I wish you an awesome weekend!
The timing of this video could not be more perfect, I litterally just unboxed my 1180! I thought it would be a good next step after my beginner HS1850 and now I can't wait to get out to try it. SO HYPED!!!
Oh dude, yr gonna be stoked! Should be a huge improvement over the 1850 you know. LMK what you think!! Yr gonna want a smaller one like the 780. Enjoy, and I wish you an awesome day!
@@OCEANBOUND1 Eventually I will definitely add smaller ones as well, just have to save the peanuts for em :P
Great work as usual! Sweet to hear you break down big foils. I was foil driving and pumping Phil’s 1900 Jam yesterday and today. For a moment I hit the pumping sweet spot and could finally get why people do it. 😀
Thanks bud! I gotta try that Jam. It’s on my short list for sure, and I totally wonder if it comes close to any of the foils I’ve been using. Let’s ride soon!
another great video thx so much for your amazing tips and wow guest star the ventis beast ahhah legend you are have a great week and thx for keeping me inspired too
lol thanks so much bud! the Ventis LIVES!! it was actually really really nice to use it. I haven't been tempted to use it in the last 9 mo cause of the dw board and the foils, but I certainly do enjoy riding it! hope all is well, I wish you an awesome weekend!
Glad to hear you didn’t disrespect the Ventis too much. Although you were vindicated at the end. You are the primary reason I bought one. Not sorry I did even though I almost never bring it out. But when you want to go winging and there is almost no wind, you better have something like the Ventis in your quiver. So far, no interest in flat water paddle up. Looks like way too much effort for the reward. Always entertaining Jeremy. Thanks for taking us along.
Hahaha yeah no disrespect on the Ventis here! I don’t dislike it at all, I just haven’t had a need for it lately after I got the DW board and have been focusing more on that and newer HA foils. I was thinking about selling it in the last month but after this recent sesh, I reckon it stays! Glad yr digging it too! And no worries about the paddle ups… def not for everyone. I have this spot down the street from my house that is perfect for it, and it’s a total workout. So I’m hooked but I totally see how most will have no interest putting their mind and body through these efforts. It totally sucks until it gets better 😂 going deep right there. I hope all is well and I wish you an awesome day!
And I thought my biggest foil HA980 has crazy low-end. I also argument with that and a DW board you don’t need bigger than a 5,5 or 6,0 meter wing. If the wing has a good low end. I bigger wing has more drag, I did a back to back test anyway and is what I figured
sup bud! yeah I think of the 1180 more of a surf and paddle foil, and my 880 is more my light wind foil. I can get out in less with the 1180, but I'm really not super into going out in wind that low. 13-14 is my cutoff these days, otherwise I'll paddle. I def agree with the wing size as well. that's why I haven't used that 7m Ventis in 9 months, the dw board and a HA foil make smaller 5m sizes work. this was my second attempt at doing speed trials on these foils, it's it's really hard to do speed runs and push limits when you are kinda underpowered. so that's why I brought the 7m to push speed, and I'm glad I did!
thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!
@@OCEANBOUND1Hope you have a great weekend as well. Yes it makes sense to use a big wing to push speed, and it is always interesting hearing your views and the reason I follow your channel
Best channel, hey there stef. What an awesome assessment of the 1350. Holy smokes. That is the combo 780 above 12…1350 below 😝 and pair with the new 100 Armie mid length for ALL (85kg rider) 🎉
@@Stefan-Foil thanks bud! truly appreciated.
Perfect review!!! I’m winging the APF 1675 and at 85 kg is nice only in flat and till 14/15 knots but as you said turning is bad. Thank you for the advice about the HA 1180 that will be my next purchase 😉
Sweet bud I’m glad you dug it! You should have no issues with the 1180, it’s a great foil. LMK if you get it what you think! Thanks and I wish you an awesome day!
Thanks!
DUDE! you are amazing. thanks bud, humbled, truly appreciated.
Really good review, agree with everything you said, just sold my 1675 after I got my 1350, which I love. I had much less hate towards the 1675, but I am pushing 200 lbs. so maybe that helped? I actually kinda liked the 1675, until the 1350.Picking up my 7m CWC tomorrow, replacing my V3 8m, pretty stoked, rode a buddies and the weight and handling felt like a 6m but with as much power has my old 8. Anyway, you have the best site going for information and reviews, greatly appreciated!
awww thanks so much bud! I suppose I've been unnecessarily hard on the 1675, as I alluded to in this video, I struggled with the 1675 for a long time, and I'm sure that a lot of that was technique and not enough time on it. but the 1350 is indeed better in turning, speed, I even prefer the pump... so it's easy to kick that 1675 to the curb. def would still recommend it to people starting out.
And stoked about the CWC!! FOne just sent me a 6m CWC with hard handles and I took it out on one sesh and I loved it. def recommend the hard handles for the big ones. I hope you love it, so much better than the v3 IMO!
thanks again, I wish you an awesome weekend bud!
@@OCEANBOUND1 I got a set of the hard handles, can use it on my new 5m strike and the cwc, stoked to try it!
@@rocketmarket684 I wasn’t sure if the handles would be good, but I think they are great. I love the micro-ridge down the back side. Like the new PPC I got. Lmk what you think!
@@OCEANBOUND1 Hey! I dig mast placement at 10 with a blue & red shim on the tail, good call! I think I like the hard handles on the CWC but the jury is still out, I really like their new soft handles, they are actually pretty stiff compared to old versions. I'll spend more time on the hard handles and report back!
Spot on agree my 1600 is big and slower but at my weight amazing in a wave and easy to turn and mt 1300 is as you say more dynamic and fun . Great share loved the one handed ✋️ lets go .
Have a great week mate speak soon 👍 😊😊
Woot woot thanks bud! The one handed thing made my freakin day!! The little things… lol. Makes that 7m more appealing, also makes Duotone handles or booms more appealing in general. Hope all is well bud. Pretty damn flat over here but we are still having fun. I wish you an awesome weekend ahead!!
@OCEANBOUND1 flat here as well. we are away on a surf trip at Cresswell towers Northumberland 🏰 stunning wild camping ,wing ,Sup and fishing . Have a great week, and speak soon .
@@christomo no waayyy! enjoy bud! can't wait to hear about it!
Great break down, enjoyed it, thanks! Just swapped the 1675 for the 1350 and I agree on your points. I also feel that the PM795 is not stiff enough to really handle the bigger APF for me at 172lbs/78kg, especially with the 202 tail or in turbulent water. And I’m also amazed by the different sections along the span of the 1350, it seems very sophisticated and an evolution of the first two APFs. I wonder if I can pump longer distance and/or time with the 1350? What do you think?
awesome, thank YOU! interesting you don't think of the 795 as stiff enough. I haven't experienced that but I'll totally try to notice if I can feel that in my next sessions. totally agreed, the evolution is real. the 1350 is kinda it's own thing, with characteristics of both it's the bigger APF siblings and HA cousins. I totally think I can pump it better, mostly cause the 1675 is so awkward that I tend to make a mistake on it, where the 1350 is a little more natural and as I get more tuned to it I think things will be easier to keep the pump going. looking pretty flat in the next week or so around here so there will be lots of paddling.
thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!
Time to try a DWP755! :D
Oh dude I totally want to try one! I’ll try to reach out and see if they would send me one to demo. Have you tried the other sizes or just the 755?
Great review. Thanks. Middle of summer in Virginia and wind is low often. If you had to pick just the 1350 or the HA 1180, which one is more stable in the turns and what is the low end of both? Thanks
sup bud! sorry I guess I missed this comment. I'd personally pick the 1180, but the 1350 will have a little better low end. the turning is a little different, in ways I think the 1180 acts like a more normal foil, so that feel better to me turning but stability-wise the 1350 is pretty damn solid! LMK what you end up getting!! thanks and I wish you an awesome weekend!
Tacking the 1675 feels like slo mo catching an edge on a snowboard, wonder how much it would wake up if you cut off those folded wing tips? Yes scp- 755 is fast loose, 1180 easy rider. Good video thanks OB
Thanks bud I appreciate it! And yeah the 1675 isn’t bad but I’m growing out of it and that 1350 makes everything more fun. Stoked. The 755… I gotta get there. I will justify it once I start doing more DW runs. Appreciate it, I wish you an awesome week ahead!!
Have you tried to dock start the 1180?
I have. I've only dock started twice, and so I'm still getting used to it. I tried the 1675 and the 1180, and once I got the 1675 I was able to kind of do that but the 1180 was giving me issues. My friend has had a lot of practice, and he rocked the 1180 the best (went right out and bought one). so it can def be done! I wanted to practice more but they took our dock away and I haven't had a chance to figure out another launch.
@@OCEANBOUND1 Cheers, this is a bit of a curiosity for me. I've got an MA 1750 that I originally got with the intent of dock starting that has since been relegated to my light wind wing. It's very much like driving a school bus though. Also previously had the old HA 1525 and that was even worse.
Probably need to decouple my two concerns and get a light wind foil that can glide alongside the slow windswell in bodies of water I ride in while still having some speed / maneuverability and maybe a dedicated foil for flatwater pumping when the curiosity strikes.
I _think_ that might be the HA 1180.
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