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    - General inspection 00:33
    - Gait 00:52
    - Romberg’s test 01:36
    - Tone 01:49
    - Power 02:21
    - Reflexes 04:09
    - Fine touch and pin-prick sensation 05:12
    - Vibration sensation 06:22
    - Proprioception 07:03
    - Co-ordination 07:38
    - Summary of findings 08:37
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Komentáře • 130

  • @kartace1
    @kartace1 Před rokem +78

    Testing sensation is often misunderstood:
    1. Crude (pressure) touch - carried in both dorsal column-medial lemniscus (DCML) AND the Spinothalamic tract (STT)
    2. Fine touch/vibration/proprioception - carried in the DCML only
    3. Pain/temperature - carried in the STT only
    - So when you're testing sensation you want to be able to discriminate between these two pathways (DCML/STT), because they're different anatomical areas of the spinal cord, so different injuries produce different clinical signs.
    - This means that when you're testing sharp/blunt discrimination. You need to ask the patient to tell you whether the sensation is 'sharp or blunt', because this tells you if their STT is working. If they simply say 'yes i can feel that' then you don't know if they percieved a sharp sensation or a blunt sensation and all you know is that their crude sensation is intact so that means either the DCML OR the STT are working, but one or the other may still be broken.
    - Equally, when you're testing fine touch sensation, it really does need to be fine touch rather than pressure, or you won't be isolating the DCML and you may be getting some crude touch (pressure) sensation crossover from the STT.
    - Finally the reason we test proprioception/vibration and temperature is because in neurological injury/disease these sensations are generally lost before pain/fine touch/crude touch, and so it makes our examination more sensitive to the earlier stages of peripheral neuropathy, for example.

    • @Gingerjuli
      @Gingerjuli Před 8 měsíci +1

      Thanks for explaining this. Very interesting

    • @mmmmm824
      @mmmmm824 Před 7 měsíci

      Tahnk you very ,uchhh

  • @tutoringwithbecky695
    @tutoringwithbecky695 Před 5 lety +254

    Thanks for all the great videos! By the way, a neurologist told me that when testing tone with leg lift, the aim is not to drop the leg and see it bounce, it's to look at the heel as you lift the leg. If the heel leaves the bed, the leg is hypertonic, if it slides up the bed then the leg has normal or reduced tone. You can then place the leg down rather than dropping it. It's nicer to the patient, if anything!

    • @sabakindi2736
      @sabakindi2736 Před 4 lety +12

      What you are saying is correct, I read it at Macleod’s clinical examination book.

    • @fadeskywards1245
      @fadeskywards1245 Před 4 lety +1

      I was wondering how to do this. Thanks for your comment!

    • @evegroult5184
      @evegroult5184 Před rokem

      We do the drag test so relaxed leg wiggle it a wee bit and then elevate knee to see if it lifts or just comes towards your tailbone. :) I was thinking the same as hadn’t seen the drop test :)

  • @mircygirls4
    @mircygirls4 Před 3 lety +40

    7:50 the way he keeps looking at him😭

  • @tfoprincess
    @tfoprincess Před 4 lety +354

    If the doctor asked me to walk normally, I'd trip from awkwardness.

  • @geekymedics
    @geekymedics  Před 6 lety +16

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  • @JFZ931
    @JFZ931 Před 5 lety +174

    7:52 that awkward look lol!!

  • @PalpatineAtMach11
    @PalpatineAtMach11 Před 5 lety +150

    That smile at 5:09 had me crying 😂😂😂

  • @geekymedics
    @geekymedics  Před 3 lety +12

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  • @geekymedics
    @geekymedics  Před 5 měsíci +1

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  • @iroowu
    @iroowu Před 9 lety +59

    Thank you all for preparing everybody's examination effectively!!

  • @user-om3dg3ym9x
    @user-om3dg3ym9x Před 10 měsíci +5

    thanks for getting me through 5 years of medical school!

  • @melreyes7237
    @melreyes7237 Před 2 lety +8

    The eye contact tho. 😍😍😍😍😍

  • @phantasm1004
    @phantasm1004 Před 9 lety +58

    A very thorough neurological examination of the lower extremities. Thank you!

  • @ramilchow620
    @ramilchow620 Před 8 lety +34

    Med student from Sydney. Love these videos. U guys are legends!!

  • @joaoeduardo7555
    @joaoeduardo7555 Před 6 lety +7

    Med Student from Brazil. You guys are awesome, keep it up!!!

  • @DrAdilRamzan
    @DrAdilRamzan Před 7 lety +17

    thank you. tomorrow is my long case .. so watching your videos. i noticed you did the heel to shin test differently. . . ! anyways nice job. thankyou.

  • @DrArobinson
    @DrArobinson Před 8 lety +46

    Great videos guys. As for the proximal muscle weakness it needs to be from a lower starting height to truly assess.

    • @geekymedics
      @geekymedics  Před 8 lety +34

      +DrArobinson Yes we'd agree with this. Ideally you'd ask the patient to stand from a chair. Great feedback.

  • @rudrikthakkar2985
    @rudrikthakkar2985 Před 9 lety +8

    Great video. Of huge help, thank you!

  • @amulyapremkumar2349
    @amulyapremkumar2349 Před 6 lety +34

    i love these videos! I hope to be that tension free in examining, one day.
    p.s. The patient kept looking at the doctor with an expression that seemed like, "I wish to show my best, i wish the doctor feels proud of my abilities!" Also, how i wish all patients had such a cute smile and all doctors did their examination so effortlessly.
    regards,
    a medical student in the making.

  • @MrFASSOLY1990
    @MrFASSOLY1990 Před 9 lety +2

    Great job guys 👍
    Thank you

  • @elizclark4912
    @elizclark4912 Před rokem +13

    Very thorough assessment. The patient is so fit.

  • @_gabrielcosta.
    @_gabrielcosta. Před 5 lety +3

    Great video guys!! Helped me a lot!

  • @lickerwishstick9217
    @lickerwishstick9217 Před 5 lety +10

    This is one of my favorite youtubes.

  • @fadi1970able
    @fadi1970able Před 6 lety +2

    It is simple and clear. Many thanks

  • @zywoomeister3654
    @zywoomeister3654 Před 6 měsíci

    View outside the window looks like a wallpaper, until we see the cars passing by.. Amazing video & view. Thank you!

  • @preloshmoodley5438
    @preloshmoodley5438 Před 5 lety +16

    In the midst of my medical board exam part 2, these videos are a God send. Thank you.

  • @LF-tt4ci
    @LF-tt4ci Před 5 lety +2

    keep it up guys this is so much helpful thank you

  • @zainabalkurdi6175
    @zainabalkurdi6175 Před 6 lety +3

    So helpful big thanks🙏🏻

  • @Islandertravels_
    @Islandertravels_ Před 8 lety +7

    good job, but how about the soft and sharp test? why you dont do it together to assess both tracts?

  • @Dhminyou
    @Dhminyou Před 8 lety +21

    David..You are boss..Keep it up

  • @sanamlily240
    @sanamlily240 Před 7 lety +3

    thank u and really amazing videos :)

  • @HaifaAlshammari
    @HaifaAlshammari Před 8 lety +7

    Thank you , it helped me a lot 💕

    • @salah-eddinebarrajjal308
      @salah-eddinebarrajjal308 Před rokem

      Hello, I'm a patient at a neurologist. May I ask you some questions about my current state, please?

  • @rumit9946
    @rumit9946 Před 7 lety +61

    love the bird sounds in the background

  • @kurbonbiabduloeva5007
    @kurbonbiabduloeva5007 Před 9 lety +5

    Awesome channel. Thanks

  • @fadi1970able
    @fadi1970able Před 6 lety +2

    Excellant. Thank you

  • @anastasiaaa4094
    @anastasiaaa4094 Před 8 lety +2

    exellent. Thank you for your help

  • @axmed1556
    @axmed1556 Před rokem +1

    My reference of physical examination. Thank you guys.

  • @DrDinooshDeLivera
    @DrDinooshDeLivera Před 5 lety +2

    Thank you!

  • @rowahmad1189
    @rowahmad1189 Před 8 lety +2

    very useful thaaaanks alot

  • @bloomingflower3708
    @bloomingflower3708 Před 4 lety

    Excellent. Thanks a lot...

  • @anastasiaaa4094
    @anastasiaaa4094 Před 6 lety +3

    Thanks from maldives

  • @humansofmedicine
    @humansofmedicine Před 7 měsíci

    By far the best peripheral neuro exam.

  • @FrankieG-M
    @FrankieG-M Před 11 měsíci

    Got my finals tomorrow. My whole day will be rewatching all these videos 😂

  • @Mohammadasif-ve7vm
    @Mohammadasif-ve7vm Před 7 lety +2

    excellent video

  • @drlakhanajmeria1272
    @drlakhanajmeria1272 Před 5 lety +2

    So dank! You inspire me everyday!!!

  • @madamhenry
    @madamhenry Před 7 lety +10

    Great video. Although do you feel that testing plantar flexion against your hand would be sufficient to establish myotomal weakness? These muscles lift the entire body against gravity after all so should easily overcome your hands even if weak. I feel the tip toe walk at the beginning would better highlight any weakness in L4.

    • @madamhenry
      @madamhenry Před 7 lety

      *S1 I meant! :)

    • @fiona9671
      @fiona9671 Před rokem

      Examinations may need to be altered within parameters of patient ability. Many patients within healthcare would not be able to tiptoe, so think showing both as a medical student is important.

  • @VinnithPullavarayar
    @VinnithPullavarayar Před rokem +2

    In checking tone with leg roll your eyes should be fixed on the movement of the foot. You have to roll slowly and increase the speed.
    Normal: foot follows rotation of leg under slow motion, unable to follow ( lags ) in fast motion
    LMN lesion: foot not able to follow leg rotation in both slow and fast motion.
    UMN lesion: foot able to follow leg rotation in both slow & fast motion.
    Leg drop:
    Normal: Leg drops quickly + at same spot
    LMN lesion: Leg drops quickly + sideways ( different spot )
    UMN lesion: Leg drops slowly + same spot.

  • @TheSideProject
    @TheSideProject Před 4 lety

    BRAVISSIMO!
    👏🏻

  • @anisharaj7736
    @anisharaj7736 Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks a lot sir.plzz make more n more videos

  • @locolovatic
    @locolovatic Před 5 lety +1

    thank you very much

  • @nhmsoikat
    @nhmsoikat Před 7 lety +5

    it's a great video and I enjoyed learning so much😁😁

  • @BibekTimilsina007
    @BibekTimilsina007 Před 7 lety +8

    @Geeky Medics
    As a Suggestion only, while eliciting the plantar reflex one shouldn't keep running the blunt end till the end; what I read was to stop after you get the reflex!!!

  • @user-jd5ni8mh5o
    @user-jd5ni8mh5o Před rokem +1

    Harry can't keep his smile 😂😂

  • @farhadahmad5840
    @farhadahmad5840 Před 5 lety +1

    What about sensory exam? Distal to proximal? Or the way you did..

  • @sohaila9068
    @sohaila9068 Před rokem +3

    i will be hearing everyone out

  • @Saravostoo888
    @Saravostoo888 Před 5 lety

    Actual inspiration

  • @oumamaderkaoui6130
    @oumamaderkaoui6130 Před 8 lety +4

    thank you

  • @jimstoesz3878
    @jimstoesz3878 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I hope to one day have the kind of chemistry that Dave and Harry have with someone.

  • @a.fatahbm140
    @a.fatahbm140 Před 3 lety

    Really appreciate for ur effort guys. 🙏

  • @Wierzej1
    @Wierzej1 Před 4 lety +6

    2:50 Dr David's peripheral CRT is more than 2 sec. - septic shock? 😁

  • @ahmedalbasri7280
    @ahmedalbasri7280 Před rokem +1

    Thank you so much

  • @abdulrafaysoomro
    @abdulrafaysoomro Před 3 lety

    Best ever video seen for lower limb neurologic exam.

  • @Cuttea7
    @Cuttea7 Před 7 lety +3

    you are so awesome 😚❤️👌

  • @manisharani5683
    @manisharani5683 Před 4 lety

    Very nice sir ,

  • @hidayatullah6353
    @hidayatullah6353 Před 4 lety

    Really good

  • @nahlasalih4443
    @nahlasalih4443 Před 4 lety

    Thank alot

  • @abdushummakhi8936
    @abdushummakhi8936 Před 7 lety +3

    Greet job

  • @FatimaHDaham
    @FatimaHDaham Před 3 lety +7

    the examiner remind me of that guy from baby driver you know Thee baby driver I forgot his name

    • @Accio-ci3go
      @Accio-ci3go Před rokem +1

      Ansel Elgort. I think he looks like him too

  • @h.a7688
    @h.a7688 Před 6 lety +10

    thanks very much....oh GOD I wish one day I will be able to do examination like you guys ...I freak out in every exam and my body not respond, blanking and totally embarrassed

    • @geekymedics
      @geekymedics  Před 6 lety +23

      Things get easier with practice and remember that these videos aren’t done in one take! So don’t put too much pressure on yourself. Good luck with your future exams 🤞

    • @HassamAlizai
      @HassamAlizai Před 4 lety

      Ah same. I hope it gets easier

  • @brightlight9921
    @brightlight9921 Před 8 lety +2

    Great

  • @biotamil5663
    @biotamil5663 Před rokem

    Thankyou

  • @sthakur66901
    @sthakur66901 Před 11 měsíci

    thanks

  • @zerin.
    @zerin. Před rokem

    Thank u

  • @asdfghjkl750420
    @asdfghjkl750420 Před 9 lety +4

    Excellent ^_^

  • @ishanidarshika5029
    @ishanidarshika5029 Před 7 lety +2

    great

  • @Aman0332
    @Aman0332 Před rokem

    Tnx

  • @drspine5291
    @drspine5291 Před 8 lety +2

    Well
    good effort

  • @DarkWarrior012
    @DarkWarrior012 Před 8 lety +12

    badman helping bruddas like me out when its finals round da corner, stay BREDA -1-

  • @hadula31
    @hadula31 Před 7 lety +2

    good

  • @jawadshirzad4644
    @jawadshirzad4644 Před rokem

    Good 👍👌👌

  • @MrJackBroady
    @MrJackBroady Před 5 lety +16

    well thats one way to break your tuning fork

  • @h.a7688
    @h.a7688 Před 5 lety +6

    Thanks ❤️❤️❤️ wish me luck & pray for me so i can pass the exam.. I am so worried

  • @smilyyyflower175
    @smilyyyflower175 Před 4 lety +1

    why we use a cotton tip then a metal pin , isnt it the same?

    • @user-oz3tf1ev9e
      @user-oz3tf1ev9e Před 4 lety +1

      One is testing for light touch (dorsal column) and one is pain (spinothalamic tract). Please correct me if I am wrong.

    • @damilolaoladunni6346
      @damilolaoladunni6346 Před 4 lety +1

      Spinothalamic tract tests for light touch (anterior)& pain and temperature (posterior spinothalamic) while posterior column tests for proprioception,vibratory sense,2 point discrimination

  • @imedscience2771
    @imedscience2771 Před 2 lety

    Is the doc Michael Cera from Superbad? 🤷‍♀️🤣💗💕

  • @iancampbell6356
    @iancampbell6356 Před 8 lety +3

    Awesome video! Awareness of joint movement direction is kinesthesia, not proprioception (which you assessed with the Romberg)

    • @jesseleemata4107
      @jesseleemata4107 Před 8 lety +5

      www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095254615000058
      The original definition of proprioception, given by Charles Sherrington when he first used the term, was that proprioception is “… the perception of joint and body movement as well as position of the body, or body segments, in space”, and the “perceptions of the relative flexions and extensions of our limbs”.9 Here Sherrington refers to proprioception as “perception” of body position and movement.

    • @iancampbell6356
      @iancampbell6356 Před 8 lety +3

      Jesselee Mata
      Hello,
      This exert from the article you referenced summarizes my comment nicely,
      "a recent systematic review by Witchalls et al.41 has demonstrated that proprioception as a measure of the neuromuscular response to a stimulus must involve sensory input, central processing, and motor output in a closed loop. In light of this latter view, it is insufficient to consider proprioception just as a cumulative neural input to the central nervous system (CNS) from the mechanoreceptors located in muscles, joints and the skin,42, 43, 44 and 45 and it is inappropriate to interpret either passive movement detection without muscle activation or a measure of reflex muscle activation46 as overall proprioceptive ability."
      Especially that last sentence. Since passive movement should not be included in the overall assessment of joint proprioception, we consider detection of passive movement to be termed kinesthesia. Thank you for your article reference!

    • @iancampbell6356
      @iancampbell6356 Před 8 lety

      Jesselee Mata
      Though, I should mention that both the open and closed loop systems involved with either passive or active movement of peripheral joints can be referred to as proprioception. My comment concerning kinesthesia detection via passive movement (which is really proprioceptive testing and now we're just splitting hairs) was in regard to the clinical nature of the video. If I perform two proprio tests on a patient, an active and passive (hallux positioning vs. setting with the UEs), I need a way to differentiate those tests in my documentation, thus the reason for me referring to the passive test as kinestheisa (which is still really just proprioception, and highlights the fact we don't really fully understand the neural workings of joint position sense in the human body).

  • @drosaama
    @drosaama Před 2 lety +1

    What is he checking at 08:18 ??

  • @Legendkilla05
    @Legendkilla05 Před 2 lety

    You can't tell me when my toe is up or down! Lol I know which way is up and down! 😆

  • @JM-rp3lx
    @JM-rp3lx Před 5 lety +4

    HIP FLEXION should be performed with the hip joint flexed to 90° so as to eliminate activity of the rectus femoris. Hip Extension was also poorly tested, it should be tested in prone (in supine the quadriceps were used to push down the examiners hand).

  • @zzzzzzX.7
    @zzzzzzX.7 Před 2 lety +2

    Why does this guy always look like he’s about to burst out laughing?😅

  • @abedan1258
    @abedan1258 Před 2 lety

    😍😍😍

  • @Legendkilla05
    @Legendkilla05 Před 2 lety +1

    Way he said put your socks & shoes back on was funny! As if he had stinky feet 😆 it sounded more like a command especially with the head nod! Usually they say u can now put your socks & shoes on just a little tiny detail! Lol Edited: Oops I put the volume up louder on my head set he does actually say you can put your socks and shoes back on! Oh well I'll still leave my comment it was funny!

  • @user-il1zi7go7k
    @user-il1zi7go7k Před rokem

    ❤❤❤

  • @h.a7688
    @h.a7688 Před 6 lety +5

    SWIFT..0:42

  • @amardevaguru3184
    @amardevaguru3184 Před 10 měsíci

    👌🏻👌🏻

  • @amanuelmatewos
    @amanuelmatewos Před 8 měsíci

    Better if you edit the video with pathological content just to compare. Nice tho!

  • @drspine5291
    @drspine5291 Před 8 lety +66

    All the persons selected for examination are normal ones
    its better idea to have patients with combined deficits to have genuine look

    • @icarus6492
      @icarus6492 Před 7 lety +22

      dr ortho this is a basic examination for teaching purpose. before we learn what is abnormal,it is important to know what is normal. but i agree, it's nice if they can demonstrate how some abnormal ones appear.

    • @NoZeroful
      @NoZeroful Před 6 lety +5

      dr ortho it is not allowed to use patients (even if they give consent) for public educational videos

    • @7al00m
      @7al00m Před 6 lety +4

      most osce stations are normal findings

    • @kryztofsharpe8566
      @kryztofsharpe8566 Před 6 lety

      I wish XD

  • @Rosie-bz1gz
    @Rosie-bz1gz Před 4 lety +2

    Why use someone fit and well

    • @fadeskywards1245
      @fadeskywards1245 Před 4 lety +5

      The point of the video was the process rather than the results and it was likely that the patients wouldn't be happy with being filmed.

  • @DrNephro
    @DrNephro Před 5 lety +1

    Good job....but the rythm of the video is slow...becouse in the exam u have just 7 mins to finish

  • @itssomeone4407
    @itssomeone4407 Před 3 lety

    🙂👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @yousrarahat5984
    @yousrarahat5984 Před rokem

    Lol cant do walk normally infront of anyone ill definetely fall or misled