The ending disturbed me as a kid (and I love it for that). Not so much that his parents died, but that he was now all alone (having just been abandoned by the Bandits). My young self could have done with Connery scooping him up and fulfilling his promise from another time to become his father.
I enjoy the ending more as an adult. As a kid it left a deep feeling in my gut as I wouldn't know what to do without my parents but seeing how they're treating him, Terry's not wrong.
One friend of mine pointed out that while Kevin was left alone, he did have VERY important resource at hand: he had a copy of the map. He could use it to go anywhere, anytime he wanted.
48 years old and I still love this movie. When I was a child the ending scared me. As a typical kid, I wished my parents were gone and thought I could take care of myself. This movie ending made me realize I didn’t want to be alone and needed my parents… the thought of being alone didn’t sit well with me.
I didn't love it - I was about 9 when we got it out on video in 1983. I didn't see the comedy at the time - I just thought it was a freaky film - something I'd never ever seen before. SO many scenes take me back to that feeling even today. Og turning into half man half pig, the giant with the boat as his hat, the horse coming out of the wardrobe, the parents blowing up and he's left alone - scarred me for life!!
Happy memories of rushing home from church on a Sunday to watch Time Bandits..ive still not forgiven my dad for taping over it with Excalibur ! Best bit of the film.. the ending. The final credits always made me sad as I knew the film had ended .. thank you Terry and to all who made this film.. my 9 year old child loves it in the year 2024 and I still do xxx
It wasn’t the parents blowing up that bothered me. I actually cracked up at that. It was that the kid was left alone in the end that bothered me. I was 10 when this movie came out. My dad died when I was 11. I did not like the ending because he was left alone. You did get a sense that he was going to be ok, but every adult failed him. God was distant and uncaring. It was disturbing and sad. However, the movie had a lot of other dark elements along with a lot of laughter. It was the end of the 70’s and beginning of the 80’s. That was the way it was. Really, this is the way my life was, though I do believe God is not the Supreme Being in the movie. My parents did love each other and me, but I identified with that isolation at the end at times. I guess it is part of growing up. This is still one of my favorite movies of all time. I just realized the Robin Hood scene is probably one reason I mistrust socialism, but also why my sense of humor is warped. Thanks for that, lol.
I felt the same way...although I saw as za teenager going into my 20s I never really hit Mr until I'd seen the movie for like the 5th time, much later that it struck me that Kevin was left an orphan
Terry Gilliam movies were a mind job in general. I wasn't scarred for life watching them as a kid. I actually understood the ending for what it was. Even at 6 years old watching this in 1987.
What I liked about ending is that it seemed that the parents don't pay attention to kid like neglect. However, Sean Connery shows up as a fireman and tears down the 4th wall almost literally but saves Kevin to pay him back for saving his character's life earlier. One can say that the character was a father figure.
The fact that the ending had us all thinking this much as kids was a testament to Gilliam's genius and shame to the sugar frosting wrapped up package ending most movies get
The ending goes far beyond what anyone can muse upon here. I loved this movie, when I saw it at five years old in a theater (mom had no sitter)and the mindset of kids and parents in that period of time coincided with the ending. I also have the box set off the movie(that came with a map prop), plus behind the scenes. Nostalgia niche came close enough. And there was supposed to be a sequel with half of them(three had passed already, vermin, Randall (sad, suicide)and strutter). Fidgit, Wally, and og were set to return, (with a daughter of ogs) but with the death of wall due to damage from aprevious car wreck, the idea was shelved. Anyway, in the case of the ending, the boy(Gillian's words) had become more mature through his travels with the bandits, and in the end didn't need the parents for the rest of life. Now consider yourself in that position. After travelling through all of time, meeting god and the devil....I wouldn't need my parents anymore either. No authority would best with I had just went through. Oh and BTW, Agamemnon was an example of history repeating itself, alot like pansy and Vincent.
I was 6 or 7 when I first saw the ending. I can assure you Mr. Gilliam I did not in any way love it. It disturbed and depressed me. The rest of the movie was pretty great from what I remember. But the ending? No!
I had biggest nightmare of my life after watching this as a kid lol. Don't remember anything particularly scary about it when watching it, but must have stuck in my mind and sparked my over active imagination during the following night. It is great that it is not run of the mill hollywood ending. That's why its so memorable and stands out
I love the way Sean Connery winks at him as if to say "you got your wish, your parents were blown up and you don't have to live with them any more". I honestly think it's supposed to be interpreted as a happy ending. 😂
Saw this around 6 or 7 and in no way saw the metaphor of not listening to your kids. I was shocked that a kid was left with burning piles of rubble at the end.. The rolling up of the map was beyond my understanding at the time.
I didn't care about the ending. Sean Connery comes back and it then gives you a kickass theme song. Parents blowing up seemed to make as much sense as the rest of the movie so I loved it
Kevin has pictures of the map that can take him anywhere in space and time. He saw his friend resurrected by the Supreme Being just minutes earlier. Yeah, Kevin was going to get his parents back in the sequel, hopefully with them learning a valuable lesson of finding value in the truly most important things in their lives, the children (… and not their appliances).
Terry Gilliam nailed it with the ending of a "kid's movie". Was the perfect ending. I saw this film when I was a little child and it was released in the theaters. I absolutely loved this movie. Don't know how Terry Gilliam does it, but this movie spoke perfectly to me at around the same age as the main character Kevin in it. He casted Kevin's role perfect. My dad didn't like the ending at all though. I think it ruffled his feathers a bit. And it turns out Terry knew exactly why all along. 🤣 If you think about it, that wink at the end from Fireman Agamemnon is like Terry winking at you about a joke he just told that went over their heads this time instead of yours. I think it is a rather genius ending myself. I've enjoyed this movie both as a child and later on as an adult.
Usually the parents die at the beginning of the story, just watch Disney movies. His parents were evil, all they cared about was stuff, and all the young at heart know it.
The only thing bad about the ending was when the boy lost both of his parents, but then it was dark humor. David Warner and Terry Gilliam were so hot looking in the day.
I saw this as a little kid and it fucking terrified me for years. I didn't get the commentary on parenting at all and the kid didn't seem to think it was funny.
Me and my sister grew up loving the movie.And till this day we were always baffled by the end. We didn’t like it but we didn’t hate it.😁And we always liked the end credits song.
I always thought that Kevin would’ve found a way back to Greece to live with the king (I think it was Agamemnon?) cause he had that Polaroid photo of the map. That’s the ending I always imagined as a kid.
When I saw the film, I was so sad that he lost his parents. But what I didn’t know, it was just a movie. My parents should have known better then to tell me it was just a movie.
Horseflesh is actually in Time Bandits and he was indeed cast. He's the Seventh Dwarf who went bad and is one of Evil's henchmen in the plastic wrap at the Fortress of Ultimate Darkness.
I saw the movie for the first time earlier this year and was confused by the ending. I was wondering why nobody helped the poor kid after his parents got zapped! They all just walked away from the scene lol!
I would love to talk to this man I would ask him so what happens to Kevin next who's going to take care of him now that is parents are dead and he's left in his yard by himself I mean I'm not sad about his parents dying I'm just worried about who is going to take care of them now I mean does the Time Bandits come back to get him
I thought the theft of the kid from king agamemnon was the worst thing. I actually hated the dwarves after that, then dumping him off to have the kid left alone again. Terrible people in that story.
I saw this when I was 7 years old and I still don't fully understand the ending - There is a theory that Kevin actually die in the fire which is really dumb -
I was kind of the opposite. As a child, I didn't really understand the ending. As an adult, I think it's genius. Let me explain why. What I don't see anybody else here pointing out is that Time Bandits actually has four endings, the first three of which are predictable fantasy tropes, and then the final ending, which is completely unexpected and actually makes you think. In sequence: 1) The cavalry arrives and saves the day. Hooray! But no, Evil makes a comeback, so we move on to 2) the Deus Ex Machina. God arrives and tidies everything up. In fact, God is *obsessed* with tidying things up. And then 3) Kevin wakes up and it was all a dream. How boring. How predictable. And then 4) WTF just happened? Kevin is ready to grow up. He already has a better understanding of the world than his parents ever will. His parents are morons. He doesn't need them any more. It's a huge slap in the face to pop psychology books that tell you that your destiny is defined by how you were treated by your parents. None of that matters. Your life is in your own hands. Let them go. Anyway, that's my take on it. Hope that makes sense.
Um Terry it confused and Terrified kids including me. I was 5 when this was out saw it again at 7 and I was shocked as a kid seeing his parents die wtf ending was that. Terry you were high. Look at all the comments from adults who were slightly depressed as kids because of that fked up ending.
I was 6 and my mom explained that the director was part of a comedy troupe. I became addicted to Monty Python and was the first time that I enjoyed George Harrison as a Beatle. However, it didn't scarred me because I watched Halloween when it first came out. It scared the piss out of me. I couldn't pee without looking over my shoulder.
I didn't like the ending at all as a kid (I was eleven when it came out). I absolutely LOVED the rest of the movie, but, maybe because my own parents were quite dear to me, I was quite shocked and disturbed when his were destroyed. I was also disturbed and confused that no one else even noticed, and that Kevin was left all alone, leaving the rest of us to wonder what in the world was going to happen to him now? I understood that his parents were rather bland, but, being a kid, I didn't get that they were actually quite worthless people. They just seemed preoccupied the way all parents seemed to me. As an adult, I love the satire and the indictment of mindless materialism and the loss of wonder, but it was all lost on me as a youth.
I don't agree with what he said or the ending being good. The kid gets dumped by his little friends, he loses his parents, and he's left alone. How is that a good ending?
He lost two horrible guardians for a start which better liberated him to live a better life. In fact Gilliam revealed he had him poised to come back in the sequel to reveal that before that got cancelled.
Yeah, I was about 8 when I saw it and it didn't sit well with me I'm afraid. I didn't think "haha, kid was right, parents were wrong" I felt really bad cos the kid had no parents!
"The kids loved it" Well I didn't. It just leaves you with a bad feeling. Even though it's the parents that die, you still feel horrible for the hero of the story.
Why do people think a movie with a kid in it is a kids movie? I wouldn't bring a kid to it, just like Lord of the rings or the first 3 Star Wars movies were not kid movies.
What? Look at the difference between Bugs Bunny and Walt Disney cartoons. It kids movie that is also for adults like South Park. To me is what makes it special like Bugs Bunny.
How is it a dark ending? Kevin got a copy of the map (Photo) so he can go back to Agamemnon. I always considered the wink from Sean Connery as a hint that he is free to go to a place of his choosing.
Typical behaviour by modern adult americans. Only will listen to POVs that reflect their own. Out of the mouth's of babes... TG hit the ending perfectly. If it bothers you, reread my first 3 sentences. Your hang up is somewhere in there...
Just finished watching this again after having watched it as a child. It's still a classic but the last half an hour or so and the ending are so dark and you are left in complete despair! Spoils it for me if I'm being honest. Bit twisted. Perhaps it was all a dream/nightmare in Kevin's head. You gotta leave them with hope Terry! Otherwise what is the point?
I was both glad Kevin's silly parents were gone AND sad for him being left all alone.. I wanted the fireman to take him with him
It might've happened off screen.
He had a Polaroid of the map. I always thought that he could have used to go back to Greece.
The ending disturbed me as a kid (and I love it for that). Not so much that his parents died, but that he was now all alone (having just been abandoned by the Bandits). My young self could have done with Connery scooping him up and fulfilling his promise from another time to become his father.
ditto.
This ending was far more tame than Brazil's depressing tragic ending
I enjoy the ending more as an adult. As a kid it left a deep feeling in my gut as I wouldn't know what to do without my parents but seeing how they're treating him, Terry's not wrong.
One friend of mine pointed out that while Kevin was left alone, he did have VERY important resource at hand: he had a copy of the map. He could use it to go anywhere, anytime he wanted.
48 years old and I still love this movie. When I was a child the ending scared me. As a typical kid, I wished my parents were gone and thought I could take care of myself. This movie ending made me realize I didn’t want to be alone and needed my parents… the thought of being alone didn’t sit well with me.
Same, and the fact everyone just walks off. Strange and unsettling for me as a kid.
I didn't love it - I was about 9 when we got it out on video in 1983. I didn't see the comedy at the time - I just thought it was a freaky film - something I'd never ever seen before. SO many scenes take me back to that feeling even today. Og turning into half man half pig, the giant with the boat as his hat, the horse coming out of the wardrobe, the parents blowing up and he's left alone - scarred me for life!!
Happy memories of rushing home from church on a Sunday to watch Time Bandits..ive still not forgiven my dad for taping over it with Excalibur ! Best bit of the film.. the ending. The final credits always made me sad as I knew the film had ended .. thank you Terry and to all who made this film.. my 9 year old child loves it in the year 2024 and I still do xxx
It wasn’t the parents blowing up that bothered me. I actually cracked up at that. It was that the kid was left alone in the end that bothered me. I was 10 when this movie came out. My dad died when I was 11. I did not like the ending because he was left alone. You did get a sense that he was going to be ok, but every adult failed him. God was distant and uncaring. It was disturbing and sad. However, the movie had a lot of other dark elements along with a lot of laughter. It was the end of the 70’s and beginning of the 80’s. That was the way it was. Really, this is the way my life was, though I do believe God is not the Supreme Being in the movie. My parents did love each other and me, but I identified with that isolation at the end at times. I guess it is part of growing up.
This is still one of my favorite movies of all time. I just realized the Robin Hood scene is probably one reason I mistrust socialism, but also why my sense of humor is warped. Thanks for that, lol.
I felt the same way...although I saw as za teenager going into my 20s
I never really hit Mr until I'd seen the movie for like the 5th time, much later that it struck me that Kevin was left an orphan
Terry Gilliam movies were a mind job in general. I wasn't scarred for life watching them as a kid. I actually understood the ending for what it was. Even at 6 years old watching this in 1987.
What I liked about ending is that it seemed that the parents don't pay attention to kid like neglect. However, Sean Connery shows up as a fireman and tears down the 4th wall almost literally but saves Kevin to pay him back for saving his character's life earlier. One can say that the character was a father figure.
The fact that the ending had us all thinking this much as kids was a testament to Gilliam's genius and shame to the sugar frosting wrapped up package ending most movies get
The ending goes far beyond what anyone can muse upon here. I loved this movie, when I saw it at five years old in a theater (mom had no sitter)and the mindset of kids and parents in that period of time coincided with the ending. I also have the box set off the movie(that came with a map prop), plus behind the scenes. Nostalgia niche came close enough. And there was supposed to be a sequel with half of them(three had passed already, vermin, Randall (sad, suicide)and strutter). Fidgit, Wally, and og were set to return, (with a daughter of ogs) but with the death of wall due to damage from aprevious car wreck, the idea was shelved. Anyway, in the case of the ending, the boy(Gillian's words) had become more mature through his travels with the bandits, and in the end didn't need the parents for the rest of life. Now consider yourself in that position. After travelling through all of time, meeting god and the devil....I wouldn't need my parents anymore either. No authority would best with I had just went through.
Oh and BTW, Agamemnon was an example of history repeating itself, alot like pansy and Vincent.
I sure didn't like it as a kid back when I watched it, even though I was enjoying it.
Exactly. Although the ending left me shocked and sad as a child, the film remains an all-time favorite for me.
Me and a group of friends were watching this and I seriously was laughing during the entire duration of the credits when that scene happened
I was 6 or 7 when I first saw the ending. I can assure you Mr. Gilliam I did not in any way love it. It disturbed and depressed me. The rest of the movie was pretty great from what I remember. But the ending? No!
Either you don't know what depression is or you don't know what caused it. It's impossible for a work of fiction to do that.
I'm 30 years old and saw Time Bandits for the first time yesterday. I laughed so hard when his parents got obliterated.
yeah i saw this as a kid and thought that was pretty awesome lol
I had biggest nightmare of my life after watching this as a kid lol. Don't remember anything particularly scary about it when watching it, but must have stuck in my mind and sparked my over active imagination during the following night. It is great that it is not run of the mill hollywood ending. That's why its so memorable and stands out
I love the way Sean Connery winks at him as if to say "you got your wish, your parents were blown up and you don't have to live with them any more". I honestly think it's supposed to be interpreted as a happy ending. 😂
Decades later and I still love it
Saw this around 6 or 7 and in no way saw the metaphor of not listening to your kids. I was shocked that a kid was left with burning piles of rubble at the end..
The rolling up of the map was beyond my understanding at the time.
Sooooo love it. Plus, he gets a Map. And Sean Connery as Dad.
Never heard anyone be more correct.
I didn't care about the ending. Sean Connery comes back and it then gives you a kickass theme song. Parents blowing up seemed to make as much sense as the rest of the movie so I loved it
Kevin has pictures of the map that can take him anywhere in space and time. He saw his friend resurrected by the Supreme Being just minutes earlier. Yeah, Kevin was going to get his parents back in the sequel, hopefully with them learning a valuable lesson of finding value in the truly most important things in their lives, the children (… and not their appliances).
Terry Gilliam nailed it with the ending of a "kid's movie". Was the perfect ending. I saw this film when I was a little child and it was released in the theaters. I absolutely loved this movie. Don't know how Terry Gilliam does it, but this movie spoke perfectly to me at around the same age as the main character Kevin in it. He casted Kevin's role perfect. My dad didn't like the ending at all though. I think it ruffled his feathers a bit. And it turns out Terry knew exactly why all along. 🤣
If you think about it, that wink at the end from Fireman Agamemnon is like Terry winking at you about a joke he just told that went over their heads this time instead of yours. I think it is a rather genius ending myself. I've enjoyed this movie both as a child and later on as an adult.
Honestly when I was a kid I did not love the ending. Now as an adult I understand his point but that first time recked me.
Usually the parents die at the beginning of the story, just watch Disney movies. His parents were evil, all they cared about was stuff, and all the young at heart know it.
The only thing bad about the ending was when the boy lost both of his parents, but then it was dark humor. David Warner and Terry Gilliam were so hot looking in the day.
I saw this as a little kid and it fucking terrified me for years. I didn't get the commentary on parenting at all and the kid didn't seem to think it was funny.
I remember finding it fairly disturbing as a child
Me and my sister grew up loving the movie.And till this day we were always baffled by the end. We didn’t like it but we didn’t hate it.😁And we always liked the end credits song.
That ending messed me up, as a kid. Still love it, but it was hardcore.
I always thought that Kevin would’ve found a way back to Greece to live with the king (I think it was Agamemnon?) cause he had that Polaroid photo of the map. That’s the ending I always imagined as a kid.
When I saw the film, I was so sad that he lost his parents. But what I didn’t know, it was just a movie.
My parents should have known better then to tell me it was just a movie.
Just saw this. I think the ending is very symbolic. Totally not what I expected to happen, so that's good!
A character called “horseflesh” is mentioned in the film….even mentioned in the credits. But who is it???
Horseflesh is actually in Time Bandits and he was indeed cast. He's the Seventh Dwarf who went bad and is one of Evil's henchmen in the plastic wrap at the Fortress of Ultimate Darkness.
I saw the movie for the first time earlier this year and was confused by the ending. I was wondering why nobody helped the poor kid after his parents got zapped! They all just walked away from the scene lol!
the ending terrified me
I found it really troubling as a child to be honest.
I would love to talk to this man I would ask him so what happens to Kevin next who's going to take care of him now that is parents are dead and he's left in his yard by himself I mean I'm not sad about his parents dying I'm just worried about who is going to take care of them now I mean does the Time Bandits come back to get him
At the ending Sean Connery who played the fireman winked at Kevin. He was also the king from ancient Greece who treated the boy Kevin as his own son.
@@rainluna9765 then why didn't Kevin go with him
@@daleflannery7667 Because there were just a few seconds of the film left. They couldn't progress onto further adventures.
It originally was the sequel to Brazil. Watch Brazil because it will help things make sense.
@@rainluna9765 yes!!! Remember: Kevin saved his life earlier.
Exactly what thought before I watched this answer.
The parents do not listen to the child.
And they were not very nice to him at the start either.
I thought the theft of the kid from king agamemnon was the worst thing. I actually hated the dwarves after that, then dumping him off to have the kid left alone again. Terrible people in that story.
He got home though and at the end, Sean Connery saves him.
As someone whonhad shitty parents as a kid, i remember loving it when Kevin's parents exploded.
I saw this when I was 7 years old and I still don't fully understand the ending - There is a theory that Kevin actually die in the fire which is really dumb -
It was a cool movie
As a kid. That ending messed me up.
I was kind of the opposite. As a child, I didn't really understand the ending. As an adult, I think it's genius. Let me explain why. What I don't see anybody else here pointing out is that Time Bandits actually has four endings, the first three of which are predictable fantasy tropes, and then the final ending, which is completely unexpected and actually makes you think. In sequence: 1) The cavalry arrives and saves the day. Hooray! But no, Evil makes a comeback, so we move on to 2) the Deus Ex Machina. God arrives and tidies everything up. In fact, God is *obsessed* with tidying things up. And then 3) Kevin wakes up and it was all a dream. How boring. How predictable. And then 4) WTF just happened? Kevin is ready to grow up. He already has a better understanding of the world than his parents ever will. His parents are morons. He doesn't need them any more. It's a huge slap in the face to pop psychology books that tell you that your destiny is defined by how you were treated by your parents. None of that matters. Your life is in your own hands. Let them go. Anyway, that's my take on it. Hope that makes sense.
Um Terry it confused and Terrified kids including me. I was 5 when this was out saw it again at 7 and I was shocked as a kid seeing his parents die wtf ending was that. Terry you were high. Look at all the comments from adults who were slightly depressed as kids because of that fked up ending.
I was 6 and my mom explained that the director was part of a comedy troupe. I became addicted to Monty Python and was the first time that I enjoyed George Harrison as a Beatle. However, it didn't scarred me because I watched Halloween when it first came out. It scared the piss out of me. I couldn't pee without looking over my shoulder.
I didn't like the ending at all as a kid (I was eleven when it came out). I absolutely LOVED the rest of the movie, but, maybe because my own parents were quite dear to me, I was quite shocked and disturbed when his were destroyed. I was also disturbed and confused that no one else even noticed, and that Kevin was left all alone, leaving the rest of us to wonder what in the world was going to happen to him now? I understood that his parents were rather bland, but, being a kid, I didn't get that they were actually quite worthless people. They just seemed preoccupied the way all parents seemed to me. As an adult, I love the satire and the indictment of mindless materialism and the loss of wonder, but it was all lost on me as a youth.
I don't agree with what he said or the ending being good. The kid gets dumped by his little friends, he loses his parents, and he's left alone. How is that a good ending?
it's a comedy. go with it.
It's very open ended actually I think he ends up with Agamemnon whom somehow travelled to the future and is the fireman that winks at him.
He lost two horrible guardians for a start which better liberated him to live a better life. In fact Gilliam revealed he had him poised to come back in the sequel to reveal that before that got cancelled.
Yeah, I was about 8 when I saw it and it didn't sit well with me I'm afraid. I didn't think "haha, kid was right, parents were wrong" I felt really bad cos the kid had no parents!
You're overthinking the '80s :))) everyone was weird back then.
People! Most kids songs are sad. Think about it. This is no different. Ring around the...
"The kids loved it"
Well I didn't. It just leaves you with a bad feeling. Even though it's the parents that die, you still feel horrible for the hero of the story.
Why do people think a movie with a kid in it is a kids movie? I wouldn't bring a kid to it, just like Lord of the rings or the first 3 Star Wars movies were not kid movies.
What? Look at the difference between Bugs Bunny and Walt Disney cartoons. It kids movie that is also for adults like South Park. To me is what makes it special like Bugs Bunny.
As s child i was upset Kevin was left alone after his parents ecploded ? Washt bothered about the parents just the fact that he was left alone..
How is it a dark ending? Kevin got a copy of the map (Photo) so he can go back to Agamemnon. I always considered the wink from Sean Connery as a hint that he is free to go to a place of his choosing.
i refer to Adam&Eve...
Typical behaviour by modern adult americans. Only will listen to POVs that reflect their own. Out of the mouth's of babes...
TG hit the ending perfectly. If it bothers you, reread my first 3 sentences. Your hang up is somewhere in there...
As a kid the ending kind of ruined the movie for me.
It was such a downer. I just kept thinking about how he’s a homeless orphan now
The only silver lining I see is that the kid has a photo of the map, hence he can go whenever he wants. Even back to ancient Greece.
Yes i love this movie but the nihilistic ending ruins it for me. it spoils what went before.
So in other words: "Obey your kids or you will disappear"
Just finished watching this again after having watched it as a child. It's still a classic but the last half an hour or so and the ending are so dark and you are left in complete despair! Spoils it for me if I'm being honest. Bit twisted. Perhaps it was all a dream/nightmare in Kevin's head. You gotta leave them with hope Terry! Otherwise what is the point?
I hated it. Gillam clearly doesn't understand kids.
the ending was terrible, very anticlimactic. and i hated it when i saw it the first time as a kid.
It’s an awful ending.