Spacetime is just a headset: An interview with Donald Hoffman
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- Prof. Donald Hoffman talks to Essentia Foundation's Hans Busstra about his theory of conscious agents, according to which space and time are cognitive constructs in consciousness, not an objective scaffolding of the world outside. The interview also touches on Prof. Hoffman's personal history and life, bringing the warmth of his humanity to the academic rigor of his theories.
00:00 Intro: Beyond the spacetime headset
03:32 About Donalds personal background
07:35 On the importance of mathematics
13:22 Quantum theory and spacetime
19:24 Why exactly is spacetime 'doomed'?
24:34 Did physics 'encounter' consciousness in quantum theory?
32:49 On heavy vs light metaphysical claims
37:36 How is your theory affecting your personal life?
42:17 Is The Matrix a good metaphor?
46:38 How can the space time interface affect consciousness?
53:09 What makes you say that if spacetime is not fundamental, consciousness must be fundamental?
55:44 Physicalism fails to give an accurate model of consciousness...
1:00:24 How can we put the spacetime headset off?
05:39 Beyond the spacetime fantasies of Christopher Nolan and the Matrix...
1:09:27 The ontology of conscious agents
1:15:05 Are meditation and psychedelics 'hacks' in the interface?
1:21:41 Should we revalue religious and mystic literature?
1:29:54 Could idealism as a worldview help us better solve the challenges humanity faces?
1:34:23 The role of mathematics in bringing together science and spirituality
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Dude I’m so stoked to be alive in a time we’re we have access to these beautiful ideas and the ability to understand them well enough. And I don’t have any fancy book learning. Just keeping pace at my leisure but still absorbing it daily. And I know I’m not the only one that does it. Probably everyone here does. Just learning all this heavy shit for the sake of learning. I know it doesn’t feel like it when you look at the state of the world as it’s broadcast, but what if we are all collectively getting exponentially smarter. Let’s hope so.
I notice the best way to always learn is to always stay curious. I think society makes us stop being curious at some age and most people stay stagnant cause they aren’t curious and wanting to know more.
You're not the only one that's what I do too. That's actually more like fun than study.
Watch Everything!! Put the pieces together..!!
Great thought. I do it too!
Consciousness may be a non local phenomena that exists in another dimension outside spacetime. I tend to think the other conscious entities (e.g. what some refer to as aliens, etc) exist there, have learned to travel within that dimension, and manifest in our spacetime dimension we humans exist in.
Fantastic! I wish Donald had been there when I was growing up in a small southern town trying to discuss these same points with the southern Baptists around me! (Needless to say those “discussions” did not go well. Though they didn’t go much better when later talking to my neuroscience colleges either. 🤔) Very happy to hear a respected scientist openly discussing such things! Bravo!
too right....
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This is the gist of Buddhism and most Eastern contemplative religions. Someone said all of this 2,500 years ago. There are mountains of literature. Unfortunately, there was no proper acknowledgement. Otherwise, a great conversation. Very good questions from the interviewer which totally immersed and challenged Donald, resulting in great insights from Donald, as usual.
I think Hinduism should get the biggest credit, but all mystics from every culture and every religions also know this truth. Anyone who meditates enough will come to experience this as well. Dr. Hoffman does meditate daily and he acknowledges the wisdoms in spiritual practices.
Advaita/Nondualism
Hinduism said this 5,000 years ago. The relationship between Brahman and Atman...the All and the witness conciousness of individual..
Might that be because he wasn't trying to explain eastern mysticism mathmatically? Would your comment need to attribute other commenters who said similar things, or in general speech should we need not get that pedantic?
@@zenkat19 they definitely did not, not mathmatically. The assertion that neurons don't exist is quite another thing from Eastern Philosophy, even if they have similarities, any moreso than Locke and Kant say the same thing, or even Kant predicted Hoffman.
Respectfully, of course. I don't mean to shout anyone down; I don't think you can ignore Hoffman because you share metaphysical ideas with one aspect of what he says. 'Consciousness being fundamental' is only so until you get to the borders of his theory.
If I'm wrong or misinterpreting, feel free to correct me
Fascinating and illumination. One of the best I have heard. Love Prof DH's humility & his understanding & non-divisive approach to others.
This is by far your best video offering to date. Brilliant. 👍
Wonderful interview! Thank you! Krishnamurti and David Bohm made a wonderful series of talks where they deeply dived into the meaning of time and thought. The insight presented in the interview is not new except perhaps for the fact that it came from a mathematical approach. The insight itself has been named in multiple ways before. For example: “You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop.” - Rumi, or, "Form is emptiness, emptiness is form, form is nothing but emptiness and emptiness is nothing but form." - Heart Sutra Buddhism. The Mind & Life Institute is an example of an institute bridging science with contemplative traditions.
Yes that particular insight is not new. Mystics of the past had way much better understanding of nature and metaphysics than any modern person. What is new though, is his proposal to use a precise language (math) and methods (scientific) to discuss and prove the theory that space-time comes from consciousness, which is RADICAL in today's mainstream science. Rather than using imprecise metaphores and subjective terms, which is not appealing to the scientific community. And if he is successful, it will have tremendous impact in the study of physics and technology for future generations.
I love how He can break the “Game” and break my brain in the exact same moment 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You are a microbe in the backend of a unicorn - me
Wow so profound!
This is completely fascinating. I’ve watched this 2-3 times. I listen while I’m driving, doing housework, etc. Donald Hoffman is such an intelligent person and he explains things so that it can be understood by the average listener.
Sounds like he's had a meeting with Dimitri 🤯
So if I run into something because I didn't see (create) it then it's not my fault? Also, why do we wake up in the same spot? I like the ideas but if math is the great equalizer then where are the formulas? There aren't any yet so....for now it's entertainment.
I understand what you are saying, but this could not be comprehended by the vast majority of the population. I only say this because I feel like too many intelligent people have this humility that is not helpful, and it makes them assume that other people know just as much or more than them. I think that assumption is dangerous and smart people need to take the itintive to lead others to improved outcomes.
@@josephholland3713 Hi Joseph, here is the math you requested: sites.socsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/Hoffman_IONS_Proposal.pdf
Thank you so much for this interview, Essentia!
"It does it for me when im conscious".....Brilliant Donald!!
This is what i watch for pleasure. THANK YOU
Excellent! Really resonates with me......for a long time I have felt that all mankind's successes were also mine, and all mankind's failures, my lesson too. There is a deep peace available to those who can remove the headset, even for short periods of time....
What a gift he is. Thank you!
I love how you used movies to illustrate the points. It really helps follow the gist of everything and bring it to life!♥
think this way. You are the screen on which the movie appears.. The movie is always changing but you never change.
He is right! The first thing I experienced in my life after death experience was my face passing through what I can only discribe as a membrane. On the other side was me....we are already in the 'afterlife' we just can't see it the membrane is our will to live. (Update) I've been thinking about it and another way I would discribe it is if you look at a flat screen really close is made up of little pixels that make up an image. So think of there being another image you would see if you looked between the pixels.... through the pixels..... Think of our reality as being composed of multidimensional pixels..👈
Cool, I see it as I am the screen but not the movie that appears on the screen. We can change the movie but the screen remains. Consciousness is the screen..
I had an experience like this. Everything was pixelated. I was looking around in shock saying “oh my God nothing is real”.. Than I looked at my body and it was also pixelated, I realized that I too was not real (at least as how my mind defines real). I was able to move the pixels and kept reaching in and moving layer after layer… Like peeling a digital onion. It may be that the substance of reality is digital. Meaning that the fundamental reality is digital in nature, and since it goes on forever we create technology thinking that it is something unnatural since it’s man made, when really it may be the very fabric of God just recreating itself through itself over and over again. Maybe there is no such thing as artificial intelligence, maybe it’s the limitations put on intelligence that is artificial. Could just be that intelligence is simply intelligence.
Yes! That's a great analogy! I've had meditative experience where I can .. let my mind stop adhering my input into a normal world of 3D Objects, and it's more just... A soup of electricity I can "snap" into our 3d material universe (which is a subjective modeling program I've developed through my life"
Makes me think of this but from dogen's genjokoan:
Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken.
Although its light is wide and great, the moon is reflected even in a puddle an inch wide. The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in dewdrops on the grass, or even in one drop of water.
Enlightenment does not divide you, just as the moon does not break the water. You cannot hinder enlightenment, just as a drop of water does not hinder the moon in the sky.
The depth of the drop is the height of the moon. Each reflection, however long of short its duration, manifests the vastness of the dewdrop and realizes the limitlessness of the moonlight in the sky.
Martinus told this back in the 1930s. He got a cosmic experience that he spent the rest of his life (60 years) to explain and document. The Danish miracle that saved us all.
My short NDA was ended to my disappointment by the face of the paramedic emerging through a membrane.
Another wonderful presentation by Don. As usual, I enjoyed every minute of it. Thank you very much Don,
One of the most interesting discussions I've had the pleasure of listening to this year...
I am not sure if Hoffman realizes it but @1:17/1:18 he is giving a pretty accurate and quite beautiful description of what in Hinduism is understood as the relationship between Brahman (All) and Atman (purusha or individual head set, if you will) .
And what is parabrahman? 🤔
@@nadadenadax4903Don't bother...Both Brahman and Parabrahman are the same... Alexander and Alexander the Great...!🙂
and the Dao, and Schopenhauer's will and representation, and Nietzsche's Dionysious and Apollinian, and many more philisophical and religious traditions
science is just now catching up to these ancient philosophical ideas
Advaita Vedanta Philosophy has answer to all the queries about Reality. Dive deep into it for SELF REALISATION. YOU ARE THAT. TAT TVAM ASI. AHAM BRAHMASMI.
Excellent interview. Thank you :)
My headset was programmed for misery and submission as a peasant/slave in a corrupt system of psychopaths for some reason.
Seems to be like that for a lot sadly..
fantastic. great work everyone!
I just listened to this for the third time. Wonderful. Thank you!
Just finishing my phd in vr and focusing on human ergonomics in holistic interaction. Vr itself is true. Its a real experience. It therefor heightens the human experience by allowing exploration of the conscious mind into this 'alien' digital world that we define.
Its wonderful. My philosophy is similar to the discussion. Holographic universe makes sense. However all theory of conciousness can be argued against each other until quantified.. making it the most fun and enjoyable topic to research.
Knowing things that relate to tou directly like arc minutes focal depth/ distance... List goes on what vr can teach us about ourselves. Its combining so many fields together to trick the human occular system to being present in a different reality.
They are the Vedantic wisdom of at least 5000 year old. India/Bharath is the place propunded this wisdom and there are libraries of literature around this.
What Donald suggest today is the point blank Advait Vedanta encounter❤
I like the Vedanta thinking.
I, so absolutely love Prof. Donald Hoffman, what a wonderful man, what a contribution to our species, what important work!
TkU Prof. Hoffman!
I am a Protestant Christian and though I haven't been to the Church House in 30 yrs, I have a loving and amazing, individual relationship with GOD THE FATHER, JESUS CHRIST my LORD and SAVIOR and the HOLY SPIRIT that keeps me on the right track and I'm not concerned in the least by anything Prof Hoffman is presenting!
We speak of what I believe to be, the same Divine Consciousness, I just call HIM GOD.
I don't have to be exact, correct or right about anything.
GOD has already completed the work for me, I’m just required to have FAITH, and it will all work out as planned.
Even with the probabilities of free-will being factored in, I believe HE’s already worked it out for us!
I believe the Faithful, regardless of your ideology, the Good and Faithful, of a Higher Captain steering us through it, will see us carried through it!
And BTW - IF I am GOD, IF as GOD, I created myself, then I need to schedule a "Come to Jesus meeting" with me, myself and I.
So, I can ask myself "WTH" were you thinking?!!
I couldn't resist!!
GOD Bless! Love and Blessing to ALL!! 🙏✝💜
Wonderful interview! Well done, Hans. You teased out and made clear for the listener the most interesting insights of Professor Hoffman.
Any possibility that Essentia could facilitate a conversation between Donald Hoffman and Tom Campbell, and also between Hoffman and Swami Sarvapriyananda? Bernardo’s conversations with this two men were most informative; it would be wonderful to add Hoffman to the mix.
I never thought I would see it but Donald Hoffman is echoing what the Lankavatara Sutra says in Buddhism.
Absolutely phenomenal 🎉!
Thank you.
I love him so much. What a brilliant and humble man! ❤️🧿
I have listened to him for a few months now visually trying to see his ideals and that finally clicked like a two line quote in zen summarizing a thought. We studied our headset so well we discovered it’s a headset. It’s not that space time doesn’t work anymore in quantum, it’s that it is not apart of quantum. It’s the headset. Well out.
I’m still seeking out an attempt to decipher this damn amazing concept or whatever the fuck this “thing” we’re all in 😮😅😳🤔🫣🫡
@@akaROOSTA lol i feel if i made a 30 minute video i could bring dozens of concepts and science together to construct in lamaence terms what hoffman id mathematically trying to show.
Hey pretty, your cells unaware that they are made from sub atomic particles which are bound to quatum physics so that they are unbound to spacetime, thus your cells are getting older and start malfunctioning and not multiplying, thus you get old. In a way, what your cells have been doing is maths, repeating multiplying until they can't. Yet what is spacetime? Repetation of the constant of the matter one and one an other in a line. Thus actually spacetime is frames after frames of rendered reality. Yet you understand this or not, your cells are unaware, the planet is unaware, those frames of reality are unaware. Thus yes your electron fueled mind is good at understanding stuff, very not spacetime bound. But the conscioussness your mind creates or projects is still bound to the wellbeing of your mind, and the flesh case it is in. Thus following rhetoric like following Hitler's propaganda on politics, won't bring you comfort or peace. "headset" thus is yet an other made up worthless rhetoric much like "spirit" or "soul" or "energy being" or whatever had been there for a while. So believe me you are very bound to spacetime. You will remember this next time you fall on your head or you are late for somewhere, the "headset" you are filled by these book sellers such as Hoffman, is very real and working. You live and die by the "headset", or "spacetime" or "physics" or whatever you may refer to.
@@otgunzis there a way out?
@@otgunz...You are striving to explain “Using- What to you Is The Known”!? “The door is there but you still believe you are in a rut”... Find the Door...Which does not have a Handle....You (Whatever ‘you’ believe it to be) just have to push on it!? Like an inner tube for a bicycle, it is easier to observe the inlet valve from the outside, but only if you believe the valve is there!? 99.99% of the inner tube is inner tube, that is why our Journey is Experience!?
What he says in the first quarter of an hour, resonates with my intuitive knowledge. As a teenager I was mocked for making comments like, material goods aren´t that essential (sometimes necessary, like an old car in a rural area)
Max Planck also said, "matter is derivative from Consciousness," which is possible as Perception In Consciousness, which is what we have.
Great conversation!
Thank you Essentia ❤️
As fascinating as the subject matter is, your ability to to formulate and ask the right questions is even more so,
Happy Day! New material to discuss, other than War, Politics and the World Economic Crises. I'm thrilled that Donald Hoffman introduced these incredible hypotheticals to the world.
John Wheeler indicated....Roger Penrose points out... in Eastern Thought for centuries....Sam Harris talks about...Nothing new but when a serious scientist talks in layman's language it causes a stir...Good...It makes life easier and there is more space for joy than sorrow. Best.
i have been following donald and similar minded people with a deep interest, as i find life and everything very mysterious. old scho teachings don't say much to me fir a long while.
when i think back to my life, i can't believe in the way it has evolved. it is as if wishes have been detrimental in shaping my life. strangely people disappearing from my life right after my thoughts on those turn to displeasure. even if thise keep living within the neighborhood.
Well done...both of you. Keep up the good work...and yes... consciousness is fundamental.
lol narcissist
@PuppetMasterdaath144 this guy may be a narcissist, but hes also correct.
@@Xirrious I watch documentaries everyday trust me he is not saying something I don't know.
@@Xirrious Anyway I have no clue why I wrote the narcsissist comment. Sometimes I'm clowning because the world is so stupid that I get meltdowns.
@PuppetMasterdaath144 I get it. The world is crazy out there. Stay strong 💪 try to find people irl to connect with as much as you can.
Not trying to be a downer but, 2024 is going to bring some serious challenges.
Those of us who travel in non ordinary states, OBEs for example, are well aware that consciousness travels outside of space time. When I first started having OBEs 30 plus years ago Traveling in different timelines was one of the first things I did.
It’s fun to listen to people grapple with this. Don is on the right track and maybe he has experiences he isn’t yet talking of his experiences that given him some insights.
Lol
@mikemarable4098, I've read Robert Monroe's trilogy, and, with respect to various timelines, I'm left wondering if 'reality' is just a term we are using to refer to a shared context/awareness comprised of points of common focus among individuated consciousness 'structures' (i.e., individual people), which would imply that there is no such thing as 'shaping' or expanding reality, only observing pre-existing potentials which results in a 'unique' experience with SOME points of commonality shared by other individuated consciousnesses we 'interact' with. Your thoughts?
Otherwise, I'd like to hear about the cosmology you've surely constructed by this point, informed by your history of OBEs. What I've been grappling with lately is the question of whether there is actually such thing as 'meaningful influence' with the supposed choices we make with our 'agency' as humans (or consciousness structures having a human experience), if all potential timelines seem to simultaneously exist as potentially accessible, indefinitely?
Consciousness doesn't travel, it is always still there's nowhere to travel, there is nothing outside it, there is no outside. Everything appears and moves in consciousness. That is my experience.
I’ve had an OBE and it taught me we are not our bodies… we can exist outside our body ❤
Great interview! Thanks!!!
Excellent.... thanks 🙏.
Fabulous- many thanks
Some drugs, especially psychedelics, decrease brain activity while enhancing consiois experiences. This disproves the physicalist paradigm. If that was correcr, then decreasing brain activity would lead to a decrease in consciousness experiences.
I found this video so substantial. I get so frustrated sometimes when I think to myself all the answers we seek we actually have. Even someone like me can do a deep but really mild level of research and come away thinking the aggregate alone of multiple phenomena paints a very clear picture of what we are dealing with here. It’s just so obvious.
Great interview...would love to see a follow up with him.❤
1:24:52 "Brief periods of silence" A quiet mind is the most precious state of consciousness....the door that allows you to step behind this "headset" of endless distraction our ego so relishes
It’s so simple…it’s beyond a rookie mistake. So obvious. How can anyone not intuitively realize all they are is consciousness?
Because from the moment we are born we are told explicitly and implicitly that there is a real world out there.
Yes, even though Consciousness is on a Spectrum.
Perhaps the assumption that there is existence outside of perception stems from the fact that our conscious experience is embedded into filters we call the “self”. The idea that there is a “you” looking through the filter that is the same consciousness looking through someone else’s filter feels unintuitive because we can’t imagine consciousness without the filter. So we treat it all as one piece. We know reality exists outside of the individual, but since we lump consciousness in with the individual, we then have to place the objective in an unconscious realm. If consciousness is collective, then there is no differentiation between the objective and dream/simulation. Our idea of what constitutes “real” goes out the window because what we commonly refer to as real is simply that which is experienced collectively.
If that is what we are, why not? If it's our fundamental nature, why can we not know it, experience it, firsthand?
It’s because most of consciousness is unconscious.
I appreciate this!
Every time I hear him describe his theory I think it's basically a combination of "Here's Tom With the Weather" and Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
Refer to it as today a young man on acid realized...
It’s as though this reality encompasses the spectrum of all possibility from which we are to discern preferences.
Best interview with Hoffman so far - riveting. Is Basian subjectivity solipsistic?
Mind-blown! So much to digest, I'll be re-watching again. It reminds me of Neville Goddard, or Abraham Hicks, but with the scientific explanations. Really enjoyed it...perfect interview questions. Many thanks from Memphis, TN. :)
Thank you SO much Donald 🙏🕉️
Great interview questions
Well done.
The audio volume seems to fluctuate. Example: Donald's sound at 19:10 and Hans' sound at 19:24
Appreciate these videos btw!
I think, it could be very interesting for Donald to meet Rupert Spira and to read the papers of Heinz von Foerster, for instance "Understanding understanding ", where he writes about Gödel. These two men are also openminded like Donald himself.
Excellent love love this ❤
“The observer is the observed” “The content of consciousness is consciousness” - Jiddu Krishnamurti
1.32.01 DH"the only way to have social institutions that work better is for the people to change.''
Well said!👏
PLEASE activate English subs!
Even a casual observation of our dreams illuminates the fact that dream elements do not follow the "rules" of time nor space therefore I propose a serious, rigorous study of one's dreams as a method for expanding conscience awareness beyond the "normal" limitations of spacetime.
Outstanding
This conversation makes our ‘intention’ important because that’s all we have. Everything else is spooky.
One becomes one’s own guru by choosing the pathless path.
I went OBE to the moon and even though I didn't have a body I touched down on it but this Podcast has made me think back to when I was communicating with the two ETs and I turned to look at the earth and I couldn't find it. I can't be sure of where I was as I had seen objects and for a time was preoccupied and may have been on the backside of the moon Without realizing it or that I might not have traveled that far and I can't be sure so It was cause for a certain amount of panic for lack of a better description. At that point the ETs weren't thinking anything and I didn't know what to think and all I could do was speculate about how I was going to return to Earth or if I actually would be returning to earth however at that point in time I didn't know that this would be all it takes to end an OBE, instantly .. and this would be the second time I experienced sleep paralysis ....
Question: so it’s not there unless perceived via consciousness. But wouldnt the OS be there running? Very curious. Is the OS mathematics?
Even if space and time are our window onto some other reality, that mechanism still has to reflect that reality in some fundamental way for it to be useful. It's not necessary to say we have a shared experience. of course that's an assumption, but a good one I think. If you want to take the video game analogy, we're trying to see the code via the processor instructions via the monitor output but the code still exists and the monitor showed its output.
Really interesting. I have a question. If reality as we see it is an illusion and we are all in fact part of a collective consciousness, doesn’t that suggest that someone or something has designed the interface we experience it through ? Am I missing something? If I put a virtual reality headset on I am now in that world- but someone designed that game- that game was created by some engineers. If this world of ours is just an interface doesn’t it suggest that it’s been engineered by someone or something? I know I might be missing his point entirely. I’m new to these concepts.
Thanks! I really hope I'm living in time when people will globally wake up and realize their true nature.
We really have potential to create heaven on earth, and merging science with consciousness is a great step in that direction.
I'm being serious Don. I have a bachelor's in Literature/Professional Writing and am a few months away from getting my paralegal certificate. Is there any way I can devote my life to your studies?
Sooooo goooood ❤
I find the benefit understanding that I am wider consciousness perceiving through a narrow ‘headset’ is that I can step off the wheel and relax. I can enjoy the game. The cravings for some ‘better’ future state dissipate as I understand this consciousness is beyond space time and notions of a better future for what ‘I am’ are illogical. - Vulcan Academy text book #31
One of the best, if not the best, interviews with Don.
Tim Leary's motto should have been, "Turn on, Tune In, and Wake Up".....
Mr. Hoffman understands.
Here's a small nugget of gold:
False imagination teaches that such things as light and shade, long and short, black and white are different and are to be discriminated; but they are not independent of each other; they are only different aspects of the same thing, they are terms of relation, not of reality. Conditions of existence are not of a mutually exclusive character; in essence things are not two but one. Even Nirvana and Samsara's world of life and death are aspects of the same thing, for there is no Nirvana except where is Samsara, and no Samsara except where is Nirvana. All duality is falsely imagined.
~ The Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra
The above text is spot on albeit with a small error... the error being the "not of reality" for "the real* expresses itself as reality so not to be/feel alone". (* consciousness)
1:19, wearing the head set , reminds me of the outside phone-booths years ago, put another quarter in for the next 2 minutes, these cell phones today are great and addictive, I’ve been off the grid from 1975 to 2010, the perception of reality is a little different, like hitchhiking to flying, the point in your travels when you’re leaving from to going to and as you get older, to remembering when and the what ifs, life is about making memories, good one’s we hope and making friends
What made you back in the grid?
It was the cheapest way to get a college education,
Great interview. Though I do notice at the end regarding the discussion about the impact on our day-to-day lives and social behaviour an assumption I often see which is to say “this is just a game and we’re all one consciousness, so let’s be nice to one another”. What is to say though that the competition and moral ambiguity of nature is just the natural mode of consciousness outside of the game?
I don’t understand this common leap, although I’ve seen Bernardo also mention he doesn’t think consciousness has inherent values of peace etc. I think it may be the influence of a particular kind of eastern religion on researchers in the area of consciousness.
I agree. Once human values are taken out of the equation, it appears that whatever is having this experience doesn't really mind what happens. Many under the influence of psychedelics have realised that, "It's all good ". That said, most of us seem to be programmed towards getting along and we just have a better time when we are kind or experience the kindness of others. Who knows how happy serial killers and despots are? It may be that being kind is just a practical thing like not having your bathroom and kitchen in the same place rather than a lofty moral goal.
Maybe consciousness values narrative and that’s why it throws itself into subjectivity. And why we don’t exist in a utopia but on an evolutionary timeline that points to one, or at least approaches it asymptotically
My understanding is that outside time and space consciousness is not competitive as time does not exist and existence does not depend on survival of the fittest as there is no evolution in the conscious timeless dimension.
Consciousness does not need to battle for resources out side time and space.
I don’t think that it’s just about”let’s all be nice to each other” but more that when we wake up to the nature of our existence there is just no need to kill each other as the big perspective makes it pointless and meaningless to hurt others.
As Tolle says love is the understanding that we are all consciousness,all one,and suffering comes from being lost in the game of time and space.
What do you mean by "natural"? Anything that exists/happens is natural. So it's just a choice. I think people who do deep meditation and been in touch with THE consciousness have reported feelings of bliss, love, and harmony. So why wouldn't you want to have these feelings in the game as well. And you are more likely to get that feeling by being nice to others. But it is your choice.
We're experiencing just some subset of all possible experiences. Evolution, competition, egoism... it's all about a very specific state of mind.
This state of mind comes from a very specific metaphysical perspective, and without that specific perspective, then it's all gone. Being selfish is just pointless in a reality where competition is pointless, and competition is pointless in a reality where we're all actually one mind where we'll merge and overlap sooner or later...
That's why they usually talk about love, true empathy and kindness, they're just pointing to how does it feel to be one with everything while playing this game at the same time.
I don't know if love is what is felt when we're out of this kind of existence, but it indeed is what is felt when we actually feel as one while being here in this world.
I've imagined for years that consciousness is some kind of universal "radio station" and all conscious beings have the ability to "tune in" to that frequency.
What's that achieved for you?
What kind of answer are you looking for ?
@@gregsanders9585 I'm finding it difficult to remember where I was coming from when I said that.
I like the notion because it completely washes dualism away - but, on the other hand, it's a frustrating concept to think about; how might we develop a testable hypothesis?
@@gregsanders9585a reasonable practical answer not just gibberish
Yeah, uh, we don't actually know. Demonstrate some practical application of it or stop believing bs.
DMTX project already communicating with conscious agents be on time and space what do you want?
Blew my mind in under 12 minutes.
Inside the parameters of conscience under certain analytical circumstances Time might doesn’t necessary need to be considered a fundamental structure, but if we do that, we should discard the usefulness of the phenomenon that we are trying to describe excluding the Time component of it. In the physical world, not in the “conscience” dimension, time is an inherent ingredient required by the “recipe”. Please allow me to explain.
Let’s take a phenomenon like a normal sound wave, generated by any source that you want to imagine.
1) The pitch of that sound wave is determined by its frequency, which is a measure of how many oscillations occur per unit of time.
2) The propagation speed at which a sound wave travels through a medium is a measure of distance covered per unit of time.
3) A sound wave is composed by various waveforms, such as sine waves for pure tones or more complex waveforms for complex sounds.
This means that in our imaginary “time-less” sound wave; neglecting the time component could hinder our ability to describe or quantify pitch, also our ability to characterize how quickly the wave propagates. The complexity of the total amount of a sound wave that composes a sound wave represents the displacement of particles changes over time. If we remove the Time component basically the phenomenon of sound is not possible.
While it's an interesting thought experiment to explore descriptions without explicitly invoking time, we must remember that time is a fundamental and inseparable aspect of our physical reality, like it or not. It's essential to recognize and appreciate the fundamental role of time in describing and understanding dynamic phenomena. Discarding time may lead to a loss of important information and make some models non-functional for practical applications in the real world. Just like the example I provided. Linear Time is deeply intertwined with the dynamic nature of physical phenomena, and any attempt to describe them should take this fundamental aspect into account. It can be intriguing to explore alternative perspectives and thought experiments, acknowledging the inherent connection between time and the dynamic nature of the physical world is crucial for maintaining practicality and functionality in our descriptions.
Inside the physics that we experience in our physical world, Time is a non excludable dimension. But is a component that doesn’t require necessarily linear functionality for our conscience purposes. It perhaps exists only inside our conscience, as a mere subjective component of our perception of the phenomenon of duration. But evidently inside there, time is somewhere in both modes, linearly and parallel. We just choose the mode we want, depending on our specific needs and circumstances.
Such positive comments lol I love it !
Ties in nicely with Dr. Michael Levin's laboratory work
If Einstein needed the mathematics of the spacetime interface to reality to formalize his equivalence principle, what is the source of his initial intuition? Could be human brains possess the ability to interact with fundamental consciousness (better defined in some than others)?
Mind (own individual nervous system) connects with Spirit (collective consciousness- grand scale universal nervous system aka the electromagnetic grid )
Of course into every conversation, no matter what it is, they have have to bring up climate change. I think it's a legal requirement.
Happy 300th Kant!
Is the concept of Logos as understood by the Stoics and Christians in some way related to the idea that consciousness is fundamental?
Lets say:
Conciousness A exists outside of this Universe. A -> plays Avatar BB (our World on Earth). BB creates a simlation where BB plays -> CC. In this scenario, CC would not be an NPC since it is indirectly played by Concioussness A.
But what happens if we create an AI, if conviousness is over matter then that AI could never be convioussness and only be an NPC in whatever world it is in.
Are sleep dreams projections of our space-time head set?
Yeah it’s funny how we all experience the world when we aren’t “looking directly” every night, and it almost explicitly points out to us how we are constructing our world internally. And then when awake sort of forget all of that and how incredible that is and what it’s telling us.
I feel he is misrepresenting the Incompleteness theorem slightly and extrapolating too far from it, beyond its reach/statements
This goes back to Kant's description of space and time.
Schelling: Nature is the visible spirit and the spirit is the unvisible nature.
To continue the video game analogy. The stats that define your character are not raised from absolutely nothing, but reduced from the infinite into a finite stat.
Without restrictions there cannot be a form. What is the shape of an object that is infinite in all dimensions? It can't have one.
Would like to have Donald Hoffman talk to Rupert Spira.
Here's one interview where they crossed paths: czcams.com/video/hQZlcRFRBH0/video.html
Indras net. Nodes in the net are the conscious agents. In some ever permutating way, we are those nodes. But no identity. Omnicient but without 'someone' there to ask a specific question.
1:18, knowing what it is by knowing what it’s not, well, doesn’t that eliminate a world of possibilities
This awesome dude is, imo, basically describing the philosopher Immanuel Kant .
Please explain, Spock.
I don't wish to be unpleasant, and would genuinely like a response. My understanding is that he rejected dualism, and that dualism didn't explain the movement of souls.
Isn't Hoffman rejecting both monism and dualism, at least to an extent? I highly doubt a Kantian would proceed to accept Hoffman to a greater degree than a Hegelian, or even modern panpsychism.
I had the same idea. Hoffman’s “headset” seems many ways similar to Kant’s categories of the understanding. Space, time and causality do not exist “out there” but are elements of the structure of our minds, etc.
Why is mathematic not a headset?
I love Hoffman theory. 🙏
It is.
so Donald Hoffman and Bernardo Kastrup share basically the same world view, right? I'd love to see them together in a video
With the difference that Hoffmann can articulate himself way better on this subject.
This is a first-class body of work. A similar book I read served as a catalyst for my personal transformation. "A Life Unplugged: Reclaiming Reality in a Digital Age" by Theodore Blaze
Did anyone count the GTA mentions? I'm curious