Jokic is great, but he is NOT Wilt, KG!
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SAS is becoming like what Perkins was last year for Jokic.
I mean, espn is owned by disney, someone has to do the dirty job
The hate for Jokic is real. Stephen A will ride and die for someone like Embiid who is a pebble away from fracturing his ankle on any given year, but does everything in his power to NOT give Jokic his flowers & his dues. Ignorance at its finest!
Jokic is weak
Jokic no scoring titles 😂
Wtf, are you talking about😂
The hate ? The media literally dick ride Jokic and them damn horses. They trying so hard to make dude likeable so idk wth you talking about
The reason is simply bcos Joker is white. Everyone knows SAS is racist. Lol. Everyone knows Wilt is dominant bcos dude playing against cats whom is many inches shorter and smaller than him.
SAS citing rule changes like Wilt wasn’t playing in the wild west days of the NBA. These old dudes will never give these new guys their flowers
They don't deserve it.
Hey, why don’t we just play along with SAS comparison? Since he is willing to bend the rules of comparing players of different eras.
Jordan 6 chips in 18 years
Lebron 4 chips in 21 years
“Leebron is many things, but he aint jordan”
As nuggets fan, jokic hate is so comical. Literally comparing jokic to Wilt alone is honorable even though jokic playin in a more competitive era. Nuggets are not done yet
SAS can’t miss an opportunity to hate on Jokic. He does it to every single ⚪️ European player, it’s pathetic and transparent
its not hating when you're giving facts get out of your feelings
He’s not allowed to say “pump the breaks” on calling someone more dominant than wilt chamberlain?? Jokic is nasty and doing something brand new in the game……. But respect the architects of the game.. Wilt was also beyond nasty and defined what it meant to be dominant in the NBA… Jokic *might* get there.. but there’s at least a conversation for the best, most dominant player in the league right now (or even stretch it over the last 5 years)..
but there’s a reason why people almost discount Wilt’s stats… because he’s so far beyond what we can comprehend that it’s only relevant to talk about “2nd to wilt”.. it’s literally unrealistic for any player since him to even compare to what he did.. that’s pretty dominant..
He averaged over 20 rebounds a game for more seasons than Jokic has played so far (11 straight)..
That’s not transparent hate.. that’s just you not knowing (or respecting) history lol..
Dude is simply racist. He hates European players
This is not hating
Wilt Chamberlain famously said “just remember Michael, when you played, they changed the rules to make it easier for you to dominate.… when I played, they changed the rules to make it harder for me.”
The competition wasn't competitive in wilt's era 😂
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What about when Jokic wins 3 mvps and 2 finals mvps.
Individual dominance still wilt lmao. Bill lucky his team was better every year
@@taehitdifferent293bill made them better. he had the best individual defensive rating in the league for basically his entire career
@@maximus3294 Wilt Chamberlain famously said “just remember Michael, when you played, they changed the rules to make it easier for you to dominate.… when I played, they changed the rules to make it harder for me.”
Steph/Hakeem territory. Top 11-13
Why ESPN Employees are Not discussing what KG said about LeBron which went Viral. Come on old media show the new media ya have guts too.
ESPN is obviously protecting LeBron.
@@Doknot-tb9eybecause it’s baseless and opens them up to a lawsuit, also as much as LeBron is scrutinized, someone would’ve found something by now. If you want shit like that go to the Shade Room.
It's plenty of truth to it KG, is a former player in the circle who knows and a
Lot of other player's feel the same way? don't fool yourself and where there's smoke there's fire a guy in his circle his former trainer, and his wife name was implicated so let me ask what sports do his wife play huh? and Chael Sonnen said they was getting it from the same guy KG and Sonnen haven't been sued yet!!
@@MorganBucks80 where's the proof then. Accusations don't mean anything without proof.
KG said, "...right now." SAS goes on about career stats.
Stop the Hate with Jokic pleas ! He is not interested in stats...
Wilt chamberlain played against scrubs get them inflated numbers out of here 😂
Stop the Wilt disrespect.
You never saw him play. You have no idea who he played against. Your remarks are idiotic.
@@bruceberman761 What you said is idiotic. He went against big men like Bill Russell, Walt Bellamy, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Mel Daniels, Zelmo Beaty, those guys are not scrubs. Jokic only real competition is Joel Embiid.
Cool your jets bro. Go look at Wilt he'd eat it any era those numbers are absurd because he was like that he'd still average near 40 and most rebounds today. Likely most athletic player ever
@@Somethingrandomlymadeup Facts.
Who would've known...racism and xenophobia comes in all colors. If the name was Clarence Jokovicson, we would probably be in the goat conversation.
He’s BETTER than KG
No.
by a mile
@@personauno4597 No.
@@Doknot-tb9eyJoker got 2 mvps, finals mvp and didn't have to join a superteam unlike kg.
@@user-tt1hx2nm4p KG did not have a great supporting cast in Minnesota besides the 2003-04 team.
Your average player today is just way way better than back then and that's a fact. Take that into account when making these comparisons
True!
That’s doesn’t mean nothing when comparing eras, you still need to dominate your era
Keeping in mind your average player nowadays are defensive liabilities
Gafford is better than Wilt!
Wilt Chamberlain was a magnificent athlete. No one today is better.
It's impossible to compare Wilt C. and Jokic's stats with each other, because both eras couldn't be more different.
It's a fact that Jokic is playing against way better basketball talent today than Wilt C. has. Not taking away anything about his greatness, of course.
Wilt played against fire fighters and politicians. Make it stop 🛑
Stop the Wilt disrespect.
@@Doknot-tb9eyit's not disrespectful if it's truth
@Peca-sz6yt By the mod 1960s, most of the guys in the NBA didn't have other professions.
@@Doknot-tb9eyaccording to some, anyone who played before LeBron played against "plumbers." I wish JJ Reddick never said that s$%&. It's played now in addition to being flatly inaccurate.
@@Peca-sz6yt So 50 years from now is that how you will feel about the game today?
KG is the only guy that I hear actually give credit to the greatness of this generation. This generation is the most talented ever overall. The talent throughout the league in this shooting era is like nothing ever. KG is the only one who acknowledges it.
Larry Bird did, too.
@@ulipeterson6112 ah yeah that's true
Wilt was playing against 6 foot 5 centres. Not even a comparison
untrue the average center height back then was the exact same back then (6'10")
Stop spreading lies! 🙏🏾
That's some bullcrap.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Jokic scored more than 1.5 points in a game.
Jokic > KG not even close🤦♂️
Kg > joker. Joker is nice but my friend understand that kg was an elite offensive player AND defensive player. Joker is invisible on defense. He plays one side of the ball
KG is better.
KG never carried a team to a championship.
I agree Jokic is definitely on track to eclipse KG.. but what does that have to do with this topic??? Lol KG said Jokic was better than Wilt.. no one is comparing Jokic to KG..
@@HwangtheKorean That's not his fault he wasn't able to do it in Minnesota.
If you are showing crap like rebounding champ
Then show bpm,vorp,obpm,efg,per and so on
Its called biased stats.
yh, but stephen a clearly forgets context when it comes to wilt's stats. he wasn't playing against very skilled guys, they were people who were in the league as a side hustle. Im not nba player but put me in the 60s and I'm averaging 40
Hes better than Wilt. Wilt was dominating 6'5 centers. Give it a rest.
No shit he was the rebounding champion, he was playing against the lollypop guild.
In 112 nba games where shot blocking was tracked for Wilt Chamberlain , he averaged 8.8 blocks per game. Imagine if blocks were counted as a stat back in Wilts era. He would be, by far, the all time leader in triple doubles. He's still the all time leader in double doubles by the way. The GOAT!
The Celtics are not much different than my Clippers. You can’t have your best players only be 6’7 or 6’8. Even Kobe had Shaq and Pau next to him. If Heatles never got Bosh and got Carmelo instead, I doubt they win in 2013. You gotta have a BIG even if your best player is not that tall.
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Hakeem Olajuwon
Magic still had Kareem
Bird had McHale, Parish, and Walton
Kobe had Shaq and Pau
A team with Shaq or Duncan were reaching the Finals every year from 1999-2007. Celtics had KG who is 6’11.
Only MJ’s Bulls became a dynasty without an all-star big man. They figured it out without needing one. They did defeat the Cavs with Daugherty and Knicks with Ewing all those years. Then avenged Shaq’s Magic in 1996. The 1998 Pacers were a taller team than those Bulls and the Bulls still found a way to beat them in 7. The Davis boys and Smits were a huge frontcourt. Jalen Rose was 6’8 and Reggie Miller was 6’7.
1. Jokic 6’11
2. Giannis 6’11
3. Embiid 7’1
4. AD 6’10
Suns have 6’11 KD
Spurs have Wemby.
TWolves have Towns and Gobert.
Clippers really need to re-evaluate their lineup. Hard to win a ring if your best player isn’t an elite big or you lack one. No rush to re-sign Paul George and James Harden until they can show us they can perform well in the playoffs. Right now, three of our stars are still born losers. Two of them are skilled but ringless.
In the 2020s, every champion had an elite big except the 2022 Warriors who only had to handle a small team like Boston. Lakers had AD and Dwight. Bucks have Giannis. Nuggets have arguably the best player in the NBA. The last 5 MVP winners were 6’11 or taller.
2019: Giannis
2020: Giannis
2021: Jokic
2022: Jokic
2023: Embiid
It’s Joker’s world and we’re all living in it. He’s going to win at least 3 or 4 rings when it’s all said and done. True, he isn’t athletic and doesn’t play D that well. But like Shaq, he’s also too unstoppable. He won his 1st ring without needing to create or join a superteam similar to Giannis in 2021.
Jokic got drafted by Denver and he won them a title without trying to act like LeBaby crying for Anthony Davis to help him and getting coaches fired. Or asking his friends to help him or giving up every 1st round draft pick to trade. Without being like KD winning prostitute rings in Golden State.
It was Year 8 for Shaq, Giannis, and Jokic when they won their first. I believe Denver has more championships to come. Jokic is way more skilled than Shaq. His game is prettier than Shaq’s but Skip Bayless doesn’t like Jokic for some reason but thinks Shaq is the 3rd greatest player ever. Uh huh. Being slow and unathletic like Jokic might also help prolong his career.
It was a fluke win by Phoenix similar to my Clippers winning in Minnesota or the Lakers beating us because LeBron caught a hot hand. I’m not concerned for Denver. They’re going to destroy everyone by late next month.
In the West, it’s Denver and then everyone else. In the East, it’s Boston vs. Miami vs. Milwaukee. Ignore the other five teams in the East. I see Boston vs. Miami ECF again. Milwaukee is playing great lately but I still don’t trust Doc Rivers in the playoffs no different than I don’t trust Paul George, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, D’Angelo Russell, and Anthony Davis’ health or strength in stopping Nikola Jokic.
We’re returning to the era when the bigs rule. Clippers, Celtics, and Heat will never win a championship if their top 2 best players are all 6’8 or shorter unless they face each other or another smaller team like Phoenix and Golden State.
You know why I don’t believe my Clippers will ever win a championship with Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and James Harden? Because they don’t care about their legacy. They don’t have that same DESIRE and WILL TO WIN like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and LeBron James have. They don’t have that same WORK ETHIC.
If you want to win rings, you want to be the greatest basketball player to ever play the game. You need to want it 100% all day, everyday. I don’t see that with Kawhi, PG, and Harden. They get paid well and that’s it. It’s no different than Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady. I never saw it in them that they so badly wanted to win a ring. There’s no fire under that belly to want to always win. They had weaker, beta personalities.
Sorry, Clippers. You’re already running out of steam. Nice new logo but this franchise will never win a championship with a small team like that, weak leadership, and not the same desire as MJ and Kobe in always trying to win it all. Playing basketball like their lives depended on it because they cared about their legacies and how they’ll be remembered.
The only players who don’t need to have the same will power as MJ and Kobe but who can still win rings are elite players who are 6’10 or taller. Like Shaq can get away being lazy because he was so big, strong, and unstoppable. Or Jokic who has no desire to be in the spotlight, no social media, and cares more about his horse racing. He doesn’t have to work as hard as Kobe because was born big.
Size matters in the NBA. Clippers needs to get the memo. Lakers won all those championships because they always had an all-star big man and not because Magic and Kobe were so fun to watch.
Wilt was so good that the league wanted him back when he was in his 50s. I saw a video of old Wilt hitting 3 point hook shoots like it was nothing. Let that sink in. 🙏🏾
We done with the 80s. They can't ball man. Can't compare ball from 40 years ago to today
The stuff he gets away with just makes me dumbfounded. Like with how talented, athletic, and skilled the current NBA is, how do they not put a stop to his playmaking abilities? Like Giannis is so strong and fit, I understand would be hard to defend, but Jokic is literally a doughboy, how can he not be stopped, let alone become the most valuable player multiple times?!
poor jokic is attacked by media and he only want to hoop
Just one thing Mr. Smith: Chamberlain was the tallest player at that time, nobody could guard him and at that era NBA was "softer" then now. Also no 3pt, so everyone was scoring from 3 to 4 ft from basket, so eazy for Wilt to play. Imagine putting Jokic in that time. 110 pts 30 assists 30 rebounds stat sheet every year.
Majority of people know Jokic is the best player in the NBA. That is all that matters.
Wilt in this era would have humiliate every player that plays against him he would be unstoppable.
Wilt is in different era... We are now witnessing the present... And Jokic is now dominating his era.. That's all...
Jokic already passed KG
How can you Media person's and journalists can't understand the simple fact that there is a difference in good and successful?
I "like" the stat comparison of a player's total career and one who has another 10+ years to play...
Doesn't make sense at all. When Joker is done, draw a line and compare again. Till then give the Joker the credit and respect he deserves. Point.
In terms of individual greatness, Wilt is #2 behind Michael Jordan
If KG said that about embiid SAS would agree
Jokic is killing with pure offensive skill.
if you put Jokic in Wilts era he would have 20 rings and the all time scoring record would now sit at 150. imagine if Wilt had to score it had to be on dudes like AD or Joel or Giannis… thats Jokic’s opposition.. Wilt would average like 10 points max.
The Jokic hate is insane.. why can’t they finally give this man his credit?!?! Embiid simply ISNT HIM! Jokic has a ring as well and a VERY solid time where he’s clearly leading.
KG trippin TRIPPING!
Wilt is MYTHICAL! 🤣
You are right ,he ain't Wilt ..Joker is better .You cannot compare basketball players now and 50 years ago .
WILT CHAMBERLAIN IS THE FASTEST, STRONGEST, MOST SKILLED PLAYER OF ALL TIME
Players be praying against Jokic, believe that.
Yea Garnet tripping he must havnt seen Wilt records
Can anyone explain why they wear sunglasses inside the studios? I don't get the point than fashion
Wilt was locked up by Russel. Who is locking Jokic up?!
New media’s job is to put their podcasts above the fans.
How can any player be more dominant statistically than Wilt? Not even Shaq was more dominant statistically than Wilt.
Wilt’s legacy is dominance in the regular season lol.
Wilt played against plumbers and mechanics and people under six feet tall. Not really pros imo
What a 🤡. Gotta make bullshit up to feel better about your favorite players, average height in the 60s and today is the SAME 6’6.
@@thebxsavage he was playing against plumbers and farmers majority of his career
@@BrianBTeman-in2rc And now they play against podcasters and fashionistas, what’s your point?
@@thebxsavage average joes vs pros is what I’m trying to say
Im just checking to see if Pat backhanded the stupid out of Stephen A yet. I'll watch ESPN for that.
you cannot compare stats on retired vs active players. You have to wait for the Joker to retire...then you can make comparisons. But than you have to compare the league rules were they the same when both players were active. Than you have to take account games played and schedules....in other words it's a moot point.
Since when was the assist leader not the player that averages the most?
QUESTION KG said something about LeBron. That is the biggest Topic in sports right now. Just Saying
Steven looking skinny
2pm 3/8. Paid homage to the Dipper and the 67 Sixers as Best Ever in my book Season of the 76ers.
It was 14 teams
WILT CHAMBERLAIN PLAYED AGAINST
1. BILL RUSSELL
2.KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR
3. WILLIS REED
4.ELVIN HAYES
5.NATE THURMAN
6.WALT.BELLAMY
7.BOB PETTIT
8.WES UNSELD
9..JERRYVLUCAS
WHO JOKIC GOT TO GO AGAINST? ANTHONY DAVIS?EMBLID? KARL ANTHONY TOWNS,?
Wilt Chamberlain play against construction workers, bakers, politicians, fire fighters whom play as a hobby.
Nikola Jokic play against elite and coordinated full time basketball players.
Yeah… Joker, Embiid.. and then…..? Gobert? 😂😂😂
He's right. Joker is better than Wilt.
He had no competition back then. Jocic back then would of done way better.
Jokic definitely go pass wilt in NBA titles finals MVP all NBA all star and NBA MVP ik for a fact he go pass those for sure we can even debate he can pass the assists champ also I didn’t know that was a reward he should have one already tbh lmao
Wilt was playing when people were at max 6.8 tall. SAS bb is not your speciality. Stop trolling please.
Leave it to Stephen A to take a sentence out of context from an obscure interview to showcase his racism. Of course jokic isn't as dominate as wilt. Nobody actually thinks that!
You just talked about stats the whole time and said "we are not talking about stats."
Stephen A.. wilt is not Jokic.
Jokic is so much better than KG ever was it’s not even funny. Anyone saying otherwise needs a drug test.
KG is better.
KG was also Dpoy lol apparently defence doesn’t matter
@@yahiaali4059 if Jokic got another ring. Its a wrap.
@@angahbg9089 yea I agree with that but buddy who commented said he’s so much better which is wild statement. KG defence leaps above jokic is not even funnh
Brother it’s because Wilt played against 5ft barbers and plumbers.
Kai Cenat avaraged simmilar stats against those kids
List of players better than Jokic
MJ
Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem
Magic
LeBron
Kobe
Players probably better
Kareem
Bird
Russell
Thats it dont give me wilt or kd and curry crap
How about we discuss what you meant KG with Lebron being on that new balco juice? ESPN enough with the lies!!!
Joking is not finished yet.
MJ is #1 but Wilt is #2. Wilt has become SOOOOOO underrated as time has gone by. Seems this happens to alot of players from back in the day. Wilt was better than Bill Russell and he was better than Kareem. Look at his numbers when he played Kareem..when Kareem was in his prime and Wilt was past his prime. Theres a video on youtube where Wilt blocks Kareems “so called” unstoppable shot/skyhook 4 times on one possession. Wilt didnt have a Magic Johnson to help him win a bunch of rings.
wilt and bill faced each other 94 times. bill won 57 times.
If Jokic was black SAS would be calling him the goat
Embiid gets gifted 20 free-throws a night and still cant put up better numbers than joker. Wilt Chamberlain played against a bunch of unathletic white guys and the 1 other giant blk guy he face dominated him.
The utter bullshit surrounding Wilt is ridiculous. There were more HOF 7 foot centers THEN than TODAY FOOL.
Joker, Embiid… who else?????????
Today is what you should be shitting on, not back when there were actual HOF 7 footers
I’ve lost a lot of respect of sas over the last few years. It’s clear he had favoritism..
Rest In Peace Wilt Chamberlain
Don't Americans not understand that it's not about athleticism and jumping?! Jokic is a offensive nearly perfect baller. This ignorance is mind blowing.
SAS knows better than KG.
Wilt played against ZERO COMP
Jokic is Great.
SAS hates Jokic Lol
Jokic is awesome, but Wilt is more dominant than him. Its nice that Stephen A. is not disrespecting Wilt and giving his props.
Joker couldn't hold wilts jockstrap
Wilt is in basketball immortality, he set the bar really high that even decades later records have not been broken. A supreme athlete long before Nikes, Gatorade & load management. I love Jokic' game but he still needs to finish his career before being in the same paragraph of the great Wilt Chamberlain. Early comparisons are unnecessary but far too often a commonplace for sports talk.
Dude jokic surpass wilt last playoff triple double record.
Well you can add 1 more MVP for Jokic....this year
(Is True he wont win a scoring title....but mvp's....who knows)
Why does the black media especially that are not ex nba legend hate European players seriously I’m so confused
Why do you “hate” the architects and history of the game?? He’s taking about wilt chamberlain.. it was a different era.. but very few players in any sport were as dominant over their eras as Wilt was over his.. Let Jokic get some more years under his belt before comparing him to the all-timers.. (wilt averaged over 20 rebounds a game for more consecutive years than Jokic has even played lol)..
Plus, why do we have to boil SAS down to being a “black” media member?? Can’t he just be someone who has covered the NBA longer than you’ve (probably) been alive? And has actual perspective on the history of the sport?
Jokic is on his way to cementing an all-time legacy.. no one denies that.. but Lebron got ripped throughout the first 10-12 years of his career.. MJ was criticized before he started winning multiple titles (even when he was clearly the best individual player in the league).. not every critique is along color or country lines.. if you want to be the best, you have to earn it.. and no player from Europe has really done that yet (not in top 10 conversations, anyways).. Jokic has a chance, but not with 1 championship lol..
Let him earn the crown first, THEN give it to him.. Jokic fans are so much weaker than he is..
No hes better 🎉
Sas always hate euro players
1.5 PPG
yeah, because he's better than wilt right ?? i get you stephen a
Are we gonna act like this isn’t because he’s white
they didnt even show the defensive parts. Jokic is OVERRATED. He's probably close to the greats in offense but will be dead last i defense. Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Moses, Wilt, Russell....
Hell no Jokic isn’t more dominate than Wilt. Wilt during his time was just different the man was dominating on both sides of the ball. Jokic is great but he’s not dominating like Wilt. Nobody will. His stats shouldn’t be compared. Avg 50PPG and over 30RPG nobody is touching that. You can say he’s the modern Wilt sure but to say he’s more dominant is wild
He's better than KG
Joker is overrrrrrrrrrraaaaaated
but heeeeeeeeees dominated your favorite team .
and who are u to say he is not ? did u played game ? ah nvm i understsand itts white vs black thing i understasnd
Wilt Chamberlain is the most overrated basketball player of all time. I've never seen a single player be glazed so much for being a complete straight loser, people wanna talk about stat padding and losing finals and yadda yadda but somehow Wilt Chamberlain gets praised and gets the pass for losing and being gatekept by Bill Russell 8 damn times meanwhile compiling insane numbers that went nowhere. He didn't even win a second ring until he got with Jerry West at the end of his career even though there were barely any teams back then and he was taller and stronger than damn near anyone else, for someone who was so dominant it's kinda wild how he played for extensive years and only won twice with a half decade gap between the 2.
You're about as clueless as they come.
@@bruceberman761I love how you said nothing to defeat my point
Wilt ain’t play nobody
SAS is not bright.
Who cares if he isn’t Wilt Chamberlain nobody said he was you guys are just still butt hurt he won a championship
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