I hope we get more dialogue with Amanda and Crow this week, since it seems she still doesn't know about his identity even after his mask broke. I'd honestly hope for a cutscene but I doubt they'll do that, but would be interesting to see.
@@polarspectrum7222 If Ikora who if you remember was the one that called for revenge on the first place could accept Crow, Amanda will easily. She has a golden heart and sees the good, hell she even wonders if there's something to the Hive we can save.
@@Meadiocracy Ikora's a guardian though, and Amanda's a civilian... Guardians and Civilians have veeeery different perspectives on guardians not being the same person they were before death,
@@polarspectrum7222 Doesn't matter tho. Amanda who's home and family were destroyed by the Hive still has the heart to wonder if there's something left to save. If she can think like that about the freaking Hive I can assure you she'd immediately look past the fact Crow was once Uldren, especially with all he's done.
To be fair, even if she sees his face she might not make the connection. We have no idea if Amanda even knows what Uldren Sov looked like, she clearly doesn't know what his voice sounded like. Then again, neither does Saladin, and I'm assuming Saint.
@@polarspectrum7222 maybe starting season 15, we get a cutscene of them in a bar together and the mask gets knocked off and the pure rage from her causes him to feel ashamed so he heads to the dreaming city to figure out who he really is. There our guardian finds more than just him but the key to the end of the curse: the 15th wish
Amanda herself has stated that she grew up around guardians, is close friends with several of them and friendly to pretty much the rest. She'd know that all guardians have no memories of their past lives. Intellectually, she'd know that Crow isn't Uldren, regardless of the corpse he's walking around in. A face reveal to Amanda is very likely to go poorly at first, something Crow is all too familiar with if the various lore tabs detailing all the times other guardians have brutally killed him when seen without his helmet is anything to go by, but rational thought should prevail once Amanda has some time alone to reflect on things. If Zavala and Ikora can look past Crow's face, Amanda can too. It might just take time.
What i found quite odd was that if crow was sighted by other guardians before we and osiris encounter him, why there was never anything mentioned at the tower. One would think regardless if u killed him or not in an encounter, said guardian would have reported it at the tower
The lore for the war-table ship is depressing, for real. Amanda knows what's what. She knows that the Guardians will all probably outlive her, and even replace her. She's never really known any other family than the Guardians in the Tower; to the point that she's very similar to a Guardian herself. Even Osiris comments that she would make an excellent Guardian. To most humans, the death of a Guardian like Cayde would be like seeing a celebrity die young, or maybe even a minor god die. But to Amanda, it must be like burying a child. She lives alongside the Guardians and knows them personally, but expects them all to outlive her. I wonder if that's why she throws herself into the dangerous pilot missions more and more - she's trying to make sure that she doesn't live to bury another friend.
Well, zavala knows now - so... we can assume with him in the loop, he may go public with it? Not sure, but I don't think she's going to handle that face as well as he did hahah.
I'm politely gonna wait where crow becomes our right hand man in fallen human relations. With his knowladge already with the eliksni. I'm just hoping that when or if this does happen Amanda will be able to accept crow for who he is now compared to then. Ik crows pain when it comes to wearing a mask and damn that shit hurt
i love how this relationship came out of ass and it got me like Castle and Beckett in the show Castle (Rick Castle was played by Nathan Fillion who voiced cayde from d1 to before forsaken) i really dont want her to find out Crow is uldren...
A really good question, honestly. She knew of his death - but his resurrection's been largely kept quiet on the reef's channels. I wonder how Petra will deal with that.
I think she does. Prior to seeing him in the previous season, we saw a vision in the dreaming city when trying to visit her. It showed glint reviving crow
@@polarspectrum7222 Honestly I think Petra will be angry and shocked at first....may go on a bit of a rampage for a bit, but may calm down over time. I mean, being reasonable and practical is kinda her thing so I’d imagine she’ll begin to understand in time. Not only that, but Uldren used to be a bit of a best friend to her before he got corrupted by the Garden and Riven, so maybe she’ll meet him and see that friend again in Crow, corruption free.
@@polarspectrum7222 one of the dialogues have been hinting that Petra has been hunting Crow silently just to confirm something. Unless if there's another blue lady with an eyepatch in this game, it gotta be Petra. And remember this, Petra's hunting skills is just so good, even Shaxx almost got taken down by her with a fucking bow. That being said, I'm surprised that Crow managed to get a good look to describe facial features of someone who is supposedly very quiet during missions.
@@thealrighty3534 And there's a good response; but even with straws - does he keep the mask on while sitting in a restaurant? They don't have covid in the city after all
At this point they've gone out for drinks multiple times. Either she knows and doesnt care about who he was, hes somehow kept the mask on(though now its broken), or she just doesnt know Uldren's face
I think Amanda would understand that Crow is a different person, I wouldn't even be surprised if she already knew that he was in the same body that killed Cayde
Crow and holiday relationship I ain't got no problem with too be honest, besides it gives crow a chance to connect with far more people in the tower now than before, he's not uldron sov, in my opinion crow and uldron are 2 different people. Like how batman and Bruce Wayne are 2 different people. (obviously they are the same but you get the idea) He may look like uldron but he doesn't act like uldron. Uldrons dead and crow is replacing him. Only downside is if holiday will accept him since she will realise that he looks like uldron sov, the man who killed cayde-6(Which he is uldron obviously but he's a new soul in Uldrons body to be more specific)
Know about Zavala and his old lover where she wasn’t a guardian and died of old age. That is why I would call it a tragic relationship even if Crow didn’t have the light being Awoken makes him immortal.
hey, people don't fall in love because it'll last forever. well reasonable people don't anyway. and apparently Zavala had a mortal lover at some point according to last season's ship lore tab so I guess that kind of thing happens with guardians
No, we got several other canonical ones. Mostly same sex, interestingly enough. Saint and Osiris, Eramis and Athrys (both deceased as far as I know), the warlock Eriana and a Titan whose name I always forget, and I think there are more that I don’t remember.
Yo it's bungie son, Zavala thought he was seeing ghosts, Zavala couldn't sleep, and Zavala was lied to by 2 of his closest friends about the killer of one his best friends, and when he did found it, all that came into his mind and in that split second of the most extreme feelings of, sadness, anger, betrayal...........he fuckin tries to kill crow and then we.......oh......he justs...... accepts it?........ Ah ok..........well........yo Zavala, sorry for lying, lol lmao, smh, I mean I get it, off course is not uldren anymore, but come on, where's da drama bruv
im still not a fan of crow i dont care if hes trying to do the right thing he killed my vanguard leader and as a exo hunter myself ill never forgive him for that despite what bungie iis doing and he better not hurt amanda either, were gonna run out of fun characters if this keeps up
bungie devs clearly dont live in reality if they think this sort of thing would ever actually happen. the "forgiveness" thing that is... theyre delusional
Or it’s a teen rated game and Bungie thinks that guardians should be soft and accepting of new people regardless of their pasts. To be honest we don’t even know our own guardians past. But I do agree.
Okay I totally disagree with you. What would actually be delusional is if they do not forgive him and blame him for something he did not do. In the words of Zavala and Ikora “Uldren Sov is dead”. That is what they said when Zavala found Crow’s true identity. Crow in almost all respects (the only exception being his body) is a different person all to together. Uldren and the Crow is not the same person, they do not even share the same memories or even personality. Crow is a new man and to blame him for the death of Cayde is absolutely irrational. Let’s use this analogy: if you were suddenly possessed by a mind controlling alien and IT committed mass murder with your body, would it be right for you to be blame for that mass murder if you finally took back control over your body. Who committed it? You or the mind controlling alien? Clearly if you have senses you will not blame yourself and neither does anyone have the right to. Thus this “forgiveness” is not only able to happen in real life (well if Guardian resurrection logic was real) but it would be the most rational thing to do in this circumstance. Your comment also reveals how you view forgiveness in the real world as well, but I will not get into that.
yes they would forgive hiom you know why? bcuz cayde was a exo not a humanoid creature like uldren. also uldren now helps zavala and other guardians. so he redeemed himself. in real world exos would have no rights. so quick talking bullshit you pseudointelectualist.
![Destiny 2: Season of the Haunted - All Crow (Uldren Sov) Cutscenes & Quest Dialogue [Complete]](/img/n.gif)
“The mask stayed on”
But his pants did not
Shaxx x Mara x Crow x Amanda
Fourth time's the charm ; )
@@princephantom5611 AYO
Hahaha
@@princephantom5611 yooooo
I hope we get more dialogue with Amanda and Crow this week, since it seems she still doesn't know about his identity even after his mask broke. I'd honestly hope for a cutscene but I doubt they'll do that, but would be interesting to see.
Yeah; same - I don't know how they're going to play this relationship out, but I sincerely hope it's not JUST in a lore drop on twitter or something.
@@polarspectrum7222 If Ikora who if you remember was the one that called for revenge on the first place could accept Crow, Amanda will easily. She has a golden heart and sees the good, hell she even wonders if there's something to the Hive we can save.
@@Meadiocracy Ikora's a guardian though, and Amanda's a civilian... Guardians and Civilians have veeeery different perspectives on guardians not being the same person they were before death,
@@Meadiocracy fucking Ikora knew uldren is now crow. Even Zavala went "you people have been hiding this from me? Even Ikora is into this secret? bruh"
@@polarspectrum7222 Doesn't matter tho. Amanda who's home and family were destroyed by the Hive still has the heart to wonder if there's something left to save. If she can think like that about the freaking Hive I can assure you she'd immediately look past the fact Crow was once Uldren, especially with all he's done.
Little did everyone know, crow carries a silly straw around with him to drink with his mask on
“Emergency induction port.”
This aged liked fine wine
Ooo hoo hoo we'll see where it goes - eh?
wow. I completely forgot they didn't know Crow's face. I thought Amanda was leaving out the details out of respect.
Now if only bungie gives us an in-game event where amanda finds out who's under that mask,
@@polarspectrum7222 That dialogue makes it sound like they're building up to it. I wonder if Amanda will show push back. being a non-guardian and all
@@polarspectrum7222crimson days would have been the perfect opportunity but we all know how that went with beyond light and crimson says gone
To be fair, even if she sees his face she might not make the connection. We have no idea if Amanda even knows what Uldren Sov looked like, she clearly doesn't know what his voice sounded like. Then again, neither does Saladin, and I'm assuming Saint.
@@polarspectrum7222 maybe starting season 15, we get a cutscene of them in a bar together and the mask gets knocked off and the pure rage from her causes him to feel ashamed so he heads to the dreaming city to figure out who he really is. There our guardian finds more than just him but the key to the end of the curse: the 15th wish
Amanda herself has stated that she grew up around guardians, is close friends with several of them and friendly to pretty much the rest. She'd know that all guardians have no memories of their past lives. Intellectually, she'd know that Crow isn't Uldren, regardless of the corpse he's walking around in. A face reveal to Amanda is very likely to go poorly at first, something Crow is all too familiar with if the various lore tabs detailing all the times other guardians have brutally killed him when seen without his helmet is anything to go by, but rational thought should prevail once Amanda has some time alone to reflect on things. If Zavala and Ikora can look past Crow's face, Amanda can too. It might just take time.
What i found quite odd was that if crow was sighted by other guardians before we and osiris encounter him, why there was never anything mentioned at the tower. One would think regardless if u killed him or not in an encounter, said guardian would have reported it at the tower
@@MohammedHassan-fk8qn yea thats kind of a screw up but maybe someone kept this info from them.
@@thealrighty3534 maybe im just reading into it too much 🤷🏻😅
The lore for the war-table ship is depressing, for real. Amanda knows what's what. She knows that the Guardians will all probably outlive her, and even replace her. She's never really known any other family than the Guardians in the Tower; to the point that she's very similar to a Guardian herself. Even Osiris comments that she would make an excellent Guardian.
To most humans, the death of a Guardian like Cayde would be like seeing a celebrity die young, or maybe even a minor god die. But to Amanda, it must be like burying a child. She lives alongside the Guardians and knows them personally, but expects them all to outlive her. I wonder if that's why she throws herself into the dangerous pilot missions more and more - she's trying to make sure that she doesn't live to bury another friend.
@@SlyBlu7 when an immortal dies instead of you, most usually question why? Why not me instead.
It all depends on if Crow keeps the mask on.
Well, zavala knows now - so... we can assume with him in the loop, he may go public with it? Not sure, but I don't think she's going to handle that face as well as he did hahah.
@@polarspectrum7222 the mask also broke. when he step out of the helm everyone will know
@@passiveplayz7415 I mean they made the mask somehow, they can surely make another hahah
@@polarspectrum7222 no. mask makers have a one mask policy. no more masks for crow
@@sevii_1403 "everybody gets one"
“His killer got what was coming to him”
“Does that make it easier?”
Simp Crow here willing to die to make Holiday happy
I'm politely gonna wait where crow becomes our right hand man in fallen human relations. With his knowladge already with the eliksni. I'm just hoping that when or if this does happen Amanda will be able to accept crow for who he is now compared to then. Ik crows pain when it comes to wearing a mask and damn that shit hurt
i love how this relationship came out of ass and it got me like Castle and Beckett in the show Castle (Rick Castle was played by Nathan Fillion who voiced cayde from d1 to before forsaken)
i really dont want her to find out Crow is uldren...
That was a good show. I miss it sometimes
One question is... Does Mara know about Uldren being resurrected?
A really good question, honestly. She knew of his death - but his resurrection's been largely kept quiet on the reef's channels. I wonder how Petra will deal with that.
I think she does. Prior to seeing him in the previous season, we saw a vision in the dreaming city when trying to visit her. It showed glint reviving crow
Almost certainly.
@@polarspectrum7222 Honestly I think Petra will be angry and shocked at first....may go on a bit of a rampage for a bit, but may calm down over time.
I mean, being reasonable and practical is kinda her thing so I’d imagine she’ll begin to understand in time.
Not only that, but Uldren used to be a bit of a best friend to her before he got corrupted by the Garden and Riven, so maybe she’ll meet him and see that friend again in Crow, corruption free.
@@polarspectrum7222 one of the dialogues have been hinting that Petra has been hunting Crow silently just to confirm something. Unless if there's another blue lady with an eyepatch in this game, it gotta be Petra. And remember this, Petra's hunting skills is just so good, even Shaxx almost got taken down by her with a fucking bow. That being said, I'm surprised that Crow managed to get a good look to describe facial features of someone who is supposedly very quiet during missions.
Uuhhhh. Well, you were definitely correct. Every tragic, made me sad just listening to THAT recording in the helm.
Foresight 20/20 :' )
@@polarspectrum7222 FORESIGHT MORE THAN 20/20 AFTER LAST WEEK.
@@ElectronerpProductions hahahaha right? And HERE WE ARE.
Fanfic writers: WRITE THAT DOWN
Watching this after hearing the the Holiday crow dialogue in the new season :,(
Guys... the prophecy has come true...
Well damn...This age well. Poor crow
I have mild psychic abilities. Don't tell Caitl. :D
this aged amazingly
I still have this question... How do they drink with the mask on?
Honestly this is probably the best rebuttal of my theory lol
straws? they do have straws in the city right?
@@thealrighty3534 And there's a good response; but even with straws - does he keep the mask on while sitting in a restaurant? They don't have covid in the city after all
@@polarspectrum7222 i mean he can lift the mask a bit to put the straw inhis mouth. Also someone drew this so HA! Just google it up
One comment I saw and liked was that Crow has a silly straw spacificly designed to get around his mask so he doesn’t have to take it off
Here a year later.
They just had the talk.
Foresight was 20/20, lets see where it goes from here, aye?
@@polarspectrum7222 it looks like they might mend the wound, which i hope is the case.
At this point they've gone out for drinks multiple times. Either she knows and doesnt care about who he was, hes somehow kept the mask on(though now its broken), or she just doesnt know Uldren's face
...why does no one ever ask us out for a drink?
It hurts
Hey now; we gotta wait 'n see where this goes hahah. This season's just gettin' started!
HAHA OH WITH LAST WEEKS DIALOG THIS IS HILARIOUS TO LISTEN TO
This aged very well.
You future teller you
Its funny how oblivious they both are
I think Amanda would understand that Crow is a different person, I wouldn't even be surprised if she already knew that he was in the same body that killed Cayde
Welp you called it
Foresight 20/20!
I knew this ship is gonna burn once the truth comes out...well here we are
Crow does slightly sound like Cayde
God after reading the lore tab for the Sweet Sorrow auto rifle…this hurts
No, not a trainwreck relationship. More like a mechanic-driver relationship.
And cayde was the one keeping the sanity of the tower
I miss him too Amanda....I miss him too
*glares at Crow*
Ohh God!
Amanda is trying to get blessed with some light hahahahaha
Oh, she doesn't know does she?
Nope. And Crow doesn't know either.
amanda is going to ride him lmao
The mask stayed on.
Uh oh....
Oh no no no
Crow and holiday relationship I ain't got no problem with too be honest, besides it gives crow a chance to connect with far more people in the tower now than before, he's not uldron sov, in my opinion crow and uldron are 2 different people.
Like how batman and Bruce Wayne are 2 different people. (obviously they are the same but you get the idea)
He may look like uldron but he doesn't act like uldron.
Uldrons dead and crow is replacing him.
Only downside is if holiday will accept him since she will realise that he looks like uldron sov, the man who killed cayde-6(Which he is uldron obviously but he's a new soul in Uldrons body to be more specific)
When she does find out she’ll probably stick with him cuz he reminds her to much of cayde and I hope she will forgive crow
Kaneki situation basically
Know about Zavala and his old lover where she wasn’t a guardian and died of old age. That is why I would call it a tragic relationship even if Crow didn’t have the light being Awoken makes him immortal.
Even if Holliday *does* accept Crow, the relationship would eventually end in tears. She'll eventually die, He's immortal.
hey, people don't fall in love because it'll last forever.
well reasonable people don't anyway. and apparently Zavala had a mortal lover at some point according to last season's ship lore tab so I guess that kind of thing happens with guardians
😭
Amanda's a top
:(
season 17
Here we are, lookin back with hindsight 20/20
If their relationship turns romantic, wouldn't it be the first in Destiny?
No, we got several other canonical ones. Mostly same sex, interestingly enough. Saint and Osiris, Eramis and Athrys (both deceased as far as I know), the warlock Eriana and a Titan whose name I always forget, and I think there are more that I don’t remember.
@@jonathanh.2483 technically Shaxx and Mara Sov?
@@grooot7148 Also Mara and Sjur Eido before she died. Everyone flocks to those Mara thighs.
@@jonathanh.2483 could the titan have possibly been liu feng?
@@jonathanh.2483 nevermind, it was wei ning
Yo it's bungie son, Zavala thought he was seeing ghosts, Zavala couldn't sleep, and Zavala was lied to by 2 of his closest friends about the killer of one his best friends, and when he did found it, all that came into his mind and in that split second of the most extreme feelings of, sadness, anger, betrayal...........he fuckin tries to kill crow and then we.......oh......he justs...... accepts it?........ Ah ok..........well........yo Zavala, sorry for lying, lol lmao, smh, I mean I get it, off course is not uldren anymore, but come on, where's da drama bruv
F
*mask stays on during secs*
People: guess crow is important
Me: Guardians we are the Champion saving countless lifes i say focus on ourself this is our Story
hopefully zavala will make her see reason. weird of me to even say that considering i hate zavala
How's it feel to be a prophet?
Thank you. My foresight is, often stunning
im still not a fan of crow i dont care if hes trying to do the right thing he killed my vanguard leader and as a exo hunter myself ill never forgive him for that despite what bungie iis doing and he better not hurt amanda either, were gonna run out of fun characters if this keeps up
Well, he's not Uldren, it's just the face.
bungie devs clearly dont live in reality if they think this sort of thing would ever actually happen. the "forgiveness" thing that is... theyre delusional
Or it’s a teen rated game and Bungie thinks that guardians should be soft and accepting of new people regardless of their pasts. To be honest we don’t even know our own guardians past. But I do agree.
Okay I totally disagree with you. What would actually be delusional is if they do not forgive him and blame him for something he did not do. In the words of Zavala and Ikora “Uldren Sov is dead”. That is what they said when Zavala found Crow’s true identity. Crow in almost all respects (the only exception being his body) is a different person all to together. Uldren and the Crow is not the same person, they do not even share the same memories or even personality. Crow is a new man and to blame him for the death of Cayde is absolutely irrational. Let’s use this analogy: if you were suddenly possessed by a mind controlling alien and IT committed mass murder with your body, would it be right for you to be blame for that mass murder if you finally took back control over your body. Who committed it? You or the mind controlling alien?
Clearly if you have senses you will not blame yourself and neither does anyone have the right to.
Thus this “forgiveness” is not only able to happen in real life (well if Guardian resurrection logic was real) but it would be the most rational thing to do in this circumstance.
Your comment also reveals how you view forgiveness in the real world as well, but I will not get into that.
yes they would forgive hiom you know why? bcuz cayde was a exo not a humanoid creature like uldren. also uldren now helps zavala and other guardians. so he redeemed himself. in real world exos would have no rights. so quick talking bullshit you pseudointelectualist.
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it wow thats racist. exos are people too.
destiny players stop thinking crow and uldren are the same person challenge