How Tatra Became A Porsche
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- There is a reason why a Porsche 911 very similar to old Tatras. Those were amongst the first cars to use a rear mounted engine inside a streamlined aerodynamic body developed in a wind tunnel. Mr. Porsche was handed over a task to build a folk's vehicle in 1930's and this video will tell you how it went.
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Porsche: Oh no, Tatra filed a suit for infringement of our patents, we will just pay it.
Some funny mustache man: I will deal with it.
"Procedes to invade Czechosolavia"
Hitler: "No need to thank me"
Kinda funny to think about.. invade other country just because cars and lawsuit
@@SeiberGraff Yes, people there must be either hating porsche for copying or hating tatra, for suing them with hitler in charge of the country.
That is tbh the brief summary haha
Ledwinka's patent was yust a reward for Ferry !!!
Not MAIN AGENDA of 3rd reich !?. If chehoslovakia has OIL that WAS also one of MAIN reasons because they NOT had Turkey Oil in 2nd bigest war till then
@@SeiberGraffwell that was more of a perk than the main reason for the invasion. 😅
i'd like to hear more detailed stories like this ;)
Never knew Porsche would be related to Tatra
Pretty cool story!
if you lsiten engine they have the same sound its just a copy from tatra.
This was brilliantly put together. Never knew the tatra/vw/Porsche relationship was as involved and complicated as this.
Can you do a video of when Jawa sued Honda for patent infringement (plagiarism) regarding the semi-automatic clutch on the Honda Cub?? It happened in 1967 and is referred to as "The Case of the Clutch", in motorcycling history.
Honda put their hands up, apologised and settled out of court. Jawa gave Honda licence to use the semi-automatic clutch in return for royalties on sales of all Honda bikes that used the system.
That would be a great video indeed!
Thanks that You brought up Béla Barényi, it's made me proud as a hungarian!
I hope that You'll do more of this kind of contents!
I am big fan of Porsches but never knew this history with Tatra. Nice vid!
porsches started to copy tatras..
This is one of your most brilliant videos, we really notice how your heart is in it. Also at 2:00, I had never ever seen this "Ur-Tatra", which looks so modern for 1931 (there were still Ford Model T's around). But hey, Tatra and Saab are not the only charismatic automakers around. There are more in Italy (especially), France and England.
Wow I didn't knew the ties between these two manufacturers and some unfortunate historic events were so convoluted.
Thanks for this historical documentary quality stuff.
Nick: Learns Porsche is related to Tatra.
Also Nick: Mind Blown!
its not related he copied everything from tatra..
Had no idea about this history, great video visio!
I did fitted a piece of ply wood under the front bumper of my 69 vw. She can instantly really corners and handle very well. Pinned my speedo needle on the Toronto 401 flats. Our Canadian Bonneville autobahn. Cheers
I remember reading an article that stated the Tatra V8 became something of an 'officer killer' among the German forces, commandeered & driven at speed by cocky & inexperienced 'Luger-louts', it's a wonder any survived! : )
well so porcshe it was a killer, fast and rear traction that deceived many officers, since soldiers didnt had money..
tatrat had much more torque wich made the car runs faster from trajectory..porsche copied the engine and solved thta problem of excessive torque cutting it,,
Speaking as a long-time fan and follower, I found this video to be well-researched, well-presented and informative. I have also been a fan of Volkwagens and Porsches for many years and I never knew about the relationship to Tatras. In fact I would not have known about those amazing Tatras (for example those incredible air-cooled V8s) if not for your videos. Please keep them coming!
One thing is how they look from the outside, but the real shock to see the chassis and the engine. Next shock is to find out you're looking at 1920' product. So confident and quality made piece of technology from a time we thought the cars were clunky fragile boxes. I've been to many technical museums around the world, but the only Tatras left a deep and long lasting impression on me. Booth the cars and trucks are so impressive.
Josef Ganz also desgned a very similar series of cars in the 1920s. He worked at Zündapp before they were contracted to build the early Porsches. He fits in to this story too but my memory of his story is rough.
I've only seen Tatra trucks back in the day before I knew they were making cars.
Wow...!!! This video was a real Eye Opener for me ...! I loved the information....👍
I have had a few VW’s of Different Models, and When I was around 19, or 20 We had a Karmann Ghia That I preferred to drive instead of my MG midget....! I just turned 69 in March and have a 1971 Karmann Ghia, That I got a couple of years ago...👍 , since learning about tetras, mostly since the Internet has made information so readily available....! I often wondered if it was just coincidence that Ferdinand Porsche decided to make a rear engine air cooled car also....? Now I know the story how Porsche basically poached tetra design, then basically took Tetra design Ideas, and elaborated on it...! Great Video....!!!
Very interesting piece of history! My father was a young man during WWII and was fascinated by the VW-like but luxurious Tatras.
yeah, shame the video only talked about the shite people´s car versions
And not one mention that the high powered Tatra's were also good at killing Nazis! :)
Love these vids, so keep making them!
The reality was that the SS confiscated all the larger Tatra vehicles they could find, but drove them recklessly!
Just a case of karma for the officers driving Tatras like they'd stolen them (well they had, hadn't they)!
Presne! Ja to hovorím stále
I definitely learned some things here !
so much history in this video , great job!!!
Fantastic! Never knew there was any connection or lineage between the two companies..
During the war, Tatra 87 killed more nazi officers than died in early days of war. Thus it was banned for german military. The car was too heavy, with weight on the back, and was able to reach 160km/h on dirtroads. Not really great breaks at the time, and thin tires, plus when turning the back continued straight. So driver had to be skilled, to never turn in high speeds. But german officers were drunk on power and new to the confiscated cars, wrapping them around trees.
During occupation, the Tatra company was forced to produce only trucks for military. if you wonder how germany managed to execute blitzkrieg, czechoslovak military was the only one fully mechanised (no horses) at the 1938. All these trucks plus those produced were used to sustain the blitzkrieg operations in both fronts.
Communists basicaly kept the same rules for tatra with their planned economy, they made Škoda into main automobile producer, and Tatra into heavy truck producer. Tatra was allowed to produce only luxury vehicles for communist elite.
My brain´s blew up with this history!!!!!!!!! Great find of the Porsche origins...... Cheers from Venezuela
Learn something new everyday! Thank you VisioRacer, for such informative content!
Excellent content yet again 👍
hey, you, simple man, this is a very well done historic document
Thank you so much.
Tatra Became A Porsche?
i heard Tatra Became A Porsche
Really? Me to ! Strange....
watching this made me proud to own an air and oil cooled motorcycle
This video f*cking slaps, keep up the good work!
I like this style of video as well as the others thanks!
A great article, thank you, but please remember the rest of the team behind the Tatra 87 and 97. Erich Ubelacker (I'm afraid that I can't find umlauts on this keyboard for the U) was integral to the design and development of every Tatra ending with a 7. His lucky number in the nomenclature of the 57, 77, etc until the Austrian Corporal ruined the 1930's for everyone.
Keep up the great work, your content is always interesting.
welcome back next video..tatra history .long plesae videoos
Nice job on this topic. Keep doing such videos mate 👍
Tatra is incredible ..... hope you've been to their museum.....also the settlement was in DEM marks equivalent in those days to roughly 250000 dollars
Such unique content! Mind-blowing🤯
Keep up the good work👍👍
Awesome video! Thank you!!!
Saab and this video are great, well done once again!
Great video!
Such a interesting video. Great work.
These videos about the history of some makers or about cars in general are really cool and I love them
great job man
Thanks Czech Republic. Tatra is legend !
Greetings from SK
This is a great story, one which I read many years ago. The propaganda was still at play, the Tatra had a drag coefficient of 0.32, unheard at the time. Thank you for sharing 👍
What an amazing video
Another very fine feature from you like the video on Saab. Infact this information is new to me. Having red so many Auto books and Magazines i didn't know the History of Porsche's connection with Tatra. Great 👍
Cool vid bro! Keep on doin it!
Positive feedback... More please.
I never knew some of the history you covered in this video. Thank you
-Volkswagen Beetle: I'm the first Porsche!!! >:)
-Tatra: Hold my beer!
You make the best videos
Dang I never even thought of this, Thx for the new knowledge
Awesome video
Your channell is very good watched alot of videos
I'm not much of a porche fan but love the content you provide all of us petrol heads.
Your detail and diversity is fantastic 👌🙂
Keep up the good work from Australia...
Mayby some content from Aussie vehicles??
Thanks for the information......
We love visio
Wonderful video , can u imagine if those company's merged. 🏁🏁🏁
I'm confused, I want to laugh at what that mustache dude did but not at the same time.
great vid
And today's winner of Porsche Super Cup at Red Bull Ring in Spielberg, Austria (Österreich) was Larry ten Voorde (Team GP Elite), his second victory of the year in round two. Round three (next race) is same time, same place (re-named Styrian GP, German: Steiermark). Dietrich Mateschitz is really pouring in a lot of funds at this circuit: two MotoGP races last and this year. Two F1 races this year and two for Porsche Super Cup!
Tatra Simca was my introduction to Tatra and it still mind bogling to think the axis of evil produce the best in 4 and 2 wheels compared to US and UK.
I've been intrigued by Tatra ever since seeing a Tatra 87 displayed at the Neue Sammlung in Munich (alongside a Porsche 911). Am I correct to say that Herr Ledwinka was to Tatra as Erwin Kommenda was to Porsche?
Hi Visio, would one good video idea be about independent enginemakers in F1, or weird engines in F1? Much respect for making these videos! 😄
If you think of other story ideas, please post them up. We enjoy listening to them.
do skoda next
This format works for sure, I'd like to see you do Audi next
Visio Racer, you've done yourself proud here! This is at least as interesting as your Saab video and a real delight to watch. Ironically, my favorite Porsche is the 928, with a front V8, more like a German Corvette than a 356 or 911. My questionable taste gets me every time...
I wish they would reintroduce the dorsal fin in later Porsche models
but they did, watch to a recent document Porsche release about prototypes
0:40
Good luck not getting demonitized by youtube :)
I hope not, I did not include him in the video tags, so it should be alright, hopefully ✌🏻
@@VisioRacer ok. Btw i was just joking about youtube demonetization being very sensitive to inappropriate parts of content, that sometimes they even call inspiring videos "disturbing".
6:38 Oh, you know just how to get me.
Your a ⭐ Visio!
Ferdinad Porsche born in czechoslovakia- Jablonec nad nisou...best industrial academi in this time was in technical university of brno
VW Beetle feels awesome when the engine is enlarged and tuned. Check VW Cal-look and VW Drag Racing. It is really cool stuff. The technology of making VW fast is totally Independent from the factory and became a big industry. Imagine a 4 cylinder air cooled boxer enlargey to 1,9 liter and revving to 9000RPMs and making N/A 250hp.... There are VW Racing engines in USA making 900hp.... Still based on oroginal ohv 8 valve system...
Fajn změna oproti tomu, co normálně tvoříš. Historie aut je velmi zajímavá, ale ve tvém podání ještě víc :) Jen je škoda, že nám mnoho věcí ukradli i za komunistů :/ Co naděláme. Každopádně pokračuj ve své tvorbě, strašně rád se dozvím klidně i to, co už vím :D Jestli můžu navrhnout další téma na podobný díl, tak něco na téma Alfy Romeo a Ferrari, od vzniku až po součansost, klidně na 2 díly :) Dííky a ať se daří :)
VisoRacer- I enjoy all of your videos including this one. I probably enjoyed the SAAB one a bit more because I found it to be more informative. What about making a video of the history of the Lamborghini V12 engine from the 350GT to the Murcialago? After all, it's the same block isn't it? What about the story of Ferrari vs Lamborghini and the reason that started? I'm not trying to put you or your content down, just offering some suggestions which I would find interesting...
Good suggestion
Tatra: you ripped us off!
Hitler: **invades Czechoslovakia**
If Hans Ledwinka had only been born a few decades later, nominative determinism would have dictated that he would invent solid state lighting.
@Alfred Wedmore This is the same reason China is the largest producer of lighting products
Yes, Tatra made the original concept, VW Beetle and Porsche used the Tatra concept and they did refine it.
Ferdinand Porsche was born in Czech Republic (well it was Austrio-Hungary in that time), so he had connection to Ledvinka and to Tatra.
Jay's Tatra:
czcams.com/video/c2XyLgv-UQY/video.html
I always suspected Tatra had something to do with Porsche company
Nice bro ❤️❤️❤️❤️😻😻🙏🙏
based on the timeline, i believe the connections among those brands involved could be a true story. lol ~
So if someone went back in time and killed Hitler/taught him to paint better, would that make Porsche to never exist?
Or Volkswagen thus Bugatti, Lamborghini, Audi, Bentley would have disappeared because Volkswagen bought them saving their economics
Interesting information in this comment section too!
3:25 looks like someone dropped a VW Beetle on top of a Jaguar D type
0:00 not always but thanks to jeremy clarkson saying it a million times yes.
Tatra : filed a lawsuit
Hitler : modern problem requires modern solution *by invading the country
"I will solve it my way" XD
Up until I thought your voice was a computer.... 😂
Porsche was once called tarta
Porsche couldn't merge with or absorb Tatra - there was no Porsche company in 1945.
And as far as 'looking' over each other's shoulders, Porsche flat out stole the VW Bug platform design from Tatra
Exactly!
nothing says crazy like stealing/ taking a bad design from your buddy and spending 40 years perfecting it. I will make it work, damn-it. 911 is an evil car in many forms and handles poorly but mid-engine is so nice and so easy to do, kinda like some car called a Boxster or Ferrari or Lambo or a Cayman, or a 914. Hummph
Ledwinka did not consider it a patent infringement, it was he not porsche who said he looked over porsches shoulder, and vice versa. they both looked over a lot of other shoulders too, and none of rhe elements were new. vw was winning in court, but decided to pay anyway. ledwinka ended up in a czech prison for his efforts, and moved to germany, despite czech job offers ... a bit cheeky.
whoops, another source says it was porsce not ledwinka who looked over the shoulder ... more likely, but otherwise comment still stands. i understand the patent was a detail on the cooling, not as is usually portrayed, the whole car. that detail was probably also prior art.
1931? Really? But what about Lohner- Porsche, the world's first hybrid car known so far, and possibly the first 4WD?
That one was build by the Lohner company based on a Porsche design. He said 1931 because that's when he started his Porsche design studio.
Josef Ganz?
"The best sports car in world" 🤣 you got my click but I'm not giving up the watch time. Smh bEsT iN tHe WoRlD
Porsche is the best sports car?
Tatra is better it has engine on top of rear axle and not behind like porsche.