Apache v Wildcat: The Electrifying New World Of 1st Aviation Brigade
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2021
- Just over a year ago, the British Army formed 1st Aviation Brigade.
The brigade unites the Army's two main assets, the Wildcat reconnaissance helicopters and Apache attack helicopters, and their supporting regiments. 🚁
@FTVHan joined the Brigade and the two aircraft on exercise at Stanford Training Area (STANTA) in Norfolk! 🗺️
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1986, i remember the Lynx breaking the world record for speed.
Superb Engineering.
This isn't a comparison, they're complementary aircraft assets used for interdiction of enemy troops, mechanised divisions and other front line enemy movements.
I still can't understand why the Army still hasn't asked for an army version of the Naval Wildcat used onboard HMS Queen Elizabeth, fitting it with a mix of short range air to air as well as either Brimstone or Hellfire instead of rte Naval versions' Martlet lightweight missiles, for that extra layer of protection backing up the Apaches and for self-defense.
Why on earth would they need air to air missiles? What conflict has the UK been in the last 40 years where helicopters have been put in a situation which requires self-defence from hostile air assets? It's just preparing for a threat that either doesn't exist or can be countered with other more specialised assets. Even the US only puts Sidewinders on its Cobras/Vipers simply for weight balancing purposes, knowing full well they'll never be needed.
The Marines do that’s why remember they have their own helicopters as well, just like the Lynx Mk3 used to give them an airborne antitank capability and the sea king now Merlin have Commando versions for the marines, in fact it used to be that the RAF were I’d man out as they used puma which I think has also been replaced by the Commando/general purpose version of Merlin
@@stephengilmore2741 er the Falklands for starters, RN helicopters also were actually trying to decoy the inbound Exocet missiles from the ships they were targeting, which also meant they as other ships in the area were being bombed could well have if suitably equipped been able to target and take down attacking jets, and not have had to try and airlift troops off burning ships like sir Galahad , there is also the threat of hostile helicopter gunships
And the Gulf
@@darrenjones3681 I read recently by someone disparaging HRH Prince Andrew's service in the Falklands, that helicopters were deployed as sacrificial decoys to protect him from harm, it seems from what you have said that they were there to decoy to protect ships not him. Personally I salute his gallantry and that of the crew and other crews.
Operating out of former RAF Woodbridge I see, I saw some of these apaches when flying overhead in my Robin HR200 light aircraft
I take it you flew out of Crowfield? :)
@@kingdavewoody yes I did, not been in a while though
@@jameshewitt8828 Me neither lol. I leant in G-MFLE and G-MFLA :D
This is the way that the US Army used to operate with their OH-58 Kiowa's until the new E model Apache. They now just integrate the scouting and attack into one platform the Apache and retired all of their Kiowa's because they were redundant.
@Odd Ball My brother in law is a NG pilot and they absolutely love the Lakota. It was meant to replace the remaining UH-1's and older Kiowa's that were not deployable. The Lakota was never intended to be deployable and fills an important role here in the US.
@Odd Ball Isn't the Sikorsky Raider X meant to replace the OH58? Also you'll be happy to hear the UH-72s were having issues so they are sticking with the Oh-58s for now.
"In 2017, in response to issues with the UH-72A training helicopter transition, the U.S. Army announced that OH-58 Kiowas will continue as trainers until 2022 at Ft. Rucker, Alabama."
"n March 2020, the U.S. Army selected the Bell 360 Invictus and Sikorsky Raider X as part of the Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) program to fill the capability gap left by the retirement of the OH-58."
The point is that your gunship can be on task but within 5 miles of the target that a recce helicopter has been looking at and painted/designated target, particularly enemy armour or a building perhaps where a sniper is pinning down ground troops ect, and call paint and help deliver fire support without the Apache breaking cover itself revealing its own position, or taking it’s own crews eyes off whatever they are looking at, it’s indirect fire.
Well done UK.
Cheers bro!
Being the best great work guys
I like that part where carbon showed itself. Thanks. Made my day. Great byline too. Semper Fiesta!
I watch a UK CZcams video and I get a USA commercial. Way cool video, AAC get some!
I always assumed this was why the apache had a radar on top of its rotor, to carry out Battlefield Reconnaissance, queue up targets and engage them?
It is. The US Army uses Apache in both recon and attack roles because of that. I wonder if the reason the UK is supplementing the Apaches with Wildcats is that they don't have as many Apaches as they'd like.
@@Jester-uh9xg i can only expect that the apache radar isn't as sensitive as the wildcat against smaller targets, people or whatever.
@@meme4one The Wildcat doesn't have a radar at all. Both the types have more or less the same optical ability.
@@Jester-uh9xg thanks!
Over the horizon radar system, in use with the AWACS aircraft
The US is prototyping two different aircraft to replace the huey (UH60), Blackhawk, and Apache. Wonder if the UK is looking to do the same?
could do with a better paint on Wildcat Army flying Navy grey colours
They will probably spend a lot of time on RN carriers the way RAF F35Bs do.
Don’t take it that it’s either, the reorganised forces into brigades doesn’t mean they are all Amry AAC , just like the chinooks aren’t Army they are RAF, they now all work together in rapid reaction Brigades, just like the Royal Marines have always worked with the Army supporting Commando units have , ie Commando Artillery , commando logistics, commando Engineers are all tasked to work with the Royal Marines as Amphibious troops but they are in fact Army , same thing is Happening with the Air Assault Brigade who also give additional support to Amphibious operations from the carriers , even though the Royal Marines has its own helicopters, as does the Navy, they are also training and deployed with supporting RAF Chinooks and AAC Apaches again from Air Assault Brigade, which I believe probably includes the Parachute Regiment as an air deployable force, but they don’t normally work with the Commando units lol that’s probably a rivalry tinderbox
Cool
4:442 why was their patch on the side of the helmet blurred?
The AAC will want to do all their hot refuelling now, what will TSW say?
why not give the laser Designator to the Para's reccie element that will save a second helicopter rest of the plan is sound with the apache
Paras Recce/pathfinders arent that far forward and can't move quickly enough round the battlefield over the significant distances at the speed they would need to to be the finders for all the targets
Impressive stuff.
Cam cream in a tent good one...
Floppy hat regulations have slipped since I was in 😏😂
Yeah its disappointing......oh how they have let themselves down.
I thought that Puma was being made redundant? Along with a whole gaggle of other aircraft types. If re-organising the forces based round Boxer and Ajax programs which seems to be going well, not, is in go slow due to the medical problems etc then the whole concept seems to be in abeyance and not operational.
What does a Wildcat do that an Apache can't?
Nothing.
@@TommyBahama84 really is the Apache equipped for maritime operations and launch from a ship?
@@TheJbsportstech yes its been done many times
Ferry troops around.. ? 🥔
@@TheJbsportstech the Apache deployed from RN ships during Operation Ellamy in Libya
We need far more wildcats, Apaches in the army. We are even taking 50 year old Gazzeles out of storage and getting them back running to help the army have barely enough to be an army,.. it’s embarrassing..
Aren't the Turkish achieving this mission in Armenia / Azerbaijan with drones?
@@sierrawhiskey5155 the UK have drones capable of doing that aswell.
There are no Gazelle helicopters coming out of storage
@@TommyBahama84 they are getting old gazelles flying again.
@@bulletproofguy5112 No they aren't. In fact they are actively retiring more.
Apache is a Knife. Wildcat is a Fork. If you use them *TOGETHER* its so much better
Apaches are the real deal. Combat proven and up to task. Those Kamov rattletraps don't compare.
The apache was upgraded to longbow to remove the need for spotter aircraft in the US military.
Why are we going backwards.
Lynx was armed. No reason wildcat shouldn't be and take on the role like the US cobra
Seems like spotting overkill - drone, satellite, air and ground based radar & ground troops with MK1 eyeball can already spot and designate targets. Many western army aviation enterprises have moved to single airframe for attack/recce role. It would seem keeping UK industry employed building wildcats might be behind this inefficient process. Logistically single airframe is clear winner as well.
Rubbish comment, lots of other countries use recon helicopters to desegregate or paint an target, the range of the current generation Helfire in particular means the Apache can be well out of its own visual range, have a target painted by a Hellcat that itself can’t even see, thus providing fire support to other units without traveling itself to gain a designation, yes a boots on ground can too but recce is exactly that be it by Scimitar or Ajax , soldiers or aircraft
Just in the same way Gazelle were used for artillery observation/spotting
What exactly is the Wildcat there for? Should've just bought more Apaches
So we have reaper and watch keeper both can do the job without risk to life and with greater endurance over target.
Win win
Not if they get jammed they can’t
@@TommyBahama84 can you name me one incident where reaper or watch keeper has been jammed as I can’t recall any and as I worked on watch keeper and know some of the crew still using it and conducting flights this afternoon it would be interesting to check with them your claim
I agree 👍with bullet proof guy, we desperately need more apaches, wildcats, and much more military assets!!
Such a shame our government keeps slashing the budgets!!! Come on , give the armed force's what they need to do the job!! I bet that money used to do out No.10 could have helped out!!!!😄
Many thanks to our armed forces 🙏cheers 🍻
I bet that money would have paid for one or two Hellfires. Also - what job? Apaches are not currently engaged in any conflict, there is no pressing need for them. Also also - where are you getting the money from in this fantasy scenario? I suppose you could cut the education budget so that more people drop out of school and end up seeing the military as their only option aside from a life of crime.
Or - cut the useless nuclear weapons. Problem solved.
@@stephengilmore2741 OK, steady on, blimey, I was just saying that the armed forces could do with more equipment! !! That was all!
@@stephengilmore2741 While I agree we need to find the money from somewhere sensible, the whole idea of "we are not at war, so let's not be ready for one" was partially responsible for why we were so unprepared for ww2, Falklands, gulf 1 and gulf 2. This attitude actually costs lives.
@@kedwardsTWO appreciate your reply. You are so right, the thought of no war is much better than having wars. Our armed forces all do a fantastic job 👏.
The UK is buying the latest model of the Apache, the AH64E to replace our current airframes
nice one! though i wonder why their boonie/bush hat’s brim is too short. its supposed to protect their neck from the sun but its too short…
allyness saves lives
This is the UK. We don't have sun.😂
I agree. The hats look ridiculous and I doubt you could use them to keep the sun out of your eyes or off your neck. There's some kind of army 'fashion' competition going on.
Shrinking Infantry and Armoured regiments...and we waste money on these...Well done !
An apache could take out an entire infantry regiment with little issue. Also the taliban had a saying
(Not word for word but the gist of it)
"If you can hear or see an apache, it's already too late."
No infantry or armoured unit has the same ability to induce fear.
So basickly the Lynks is doing what the Amaricans have been doing sence the late seventy with there little bird and kiowa
A somewhat strange Apples to Oranges comparison, IMO.
Is it like the 160th Soar in the US then or?
No the 160th soar are special forces pilots, this is basically a scouting team with one helicopter finding the target and the other destroying the target.
@@angelyerena6773 so basically it's taking the job of a spotting team of the ground and replacing it with a heli?
@@ginger0208 ya, But also insertion and extraction as we saw them drop off troops
@@angelyerena6773 so almost like soar then, but with different capabilities
The only similarity that I see is that they both operate different types of air frames in one complete unit. Other than that they are completely different.
Unarmed helicopter's wouldn't last long in a modern war against a tier one adversary.
Great, but it did no good in Afghanistan or N Ireland ... it's great but how good are its commanders, my mate told me the British apache never got off the ground and they had to basically run away and left friendly afghans behind.
Is the Wildcat an upgraded Lynx? After all, the Lynx was the finest anti-submarine aircraft in anybodys army.
The Lynx is one of the best machines the UK has ever built. :)
@@chad6080 its a lynx in all but name.
@@olliej111 They took all the best things from a lynx and put it in a stretched airframe with all the latest goodies. The Lynx had the fastest helicopter speed record for many many years and can loop the loop. Bit like the Challenger tank Battle proven in Challenger 1 and 2 and now we are getting Challenger lll. Best Armour best mobility over rough ground and now because the ammo has been developed to meet UK requirements 120mm smoothbore so now able to use same ammo as rest of partners.
Wildcat look reminds me of the Soviet/Russian Hind.
Following the Americans again who have deployed in this formation for decades !!!!
Keep it up US. The US by far makes the best aircraft in the world. Glad the UK was a big partner in the F35.
*scrunches face* Harriers? Rolls Royce conversions of US crafts? far superior
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 Yes Harries are the best planes ever made. LOL.
Please troll someone else, I block blatant trolls. Thanks.
Surely arming the Wildcat would be better 🤷♂️
the navy are arming their wildcats and the army are following them with that aswell
I used to fly with one of the Armies test pilots who’d flown both aircraft. The Apache by all accounts is world class. The Wildcat is an excellent naval helicopter, but never a battlefield helicopter. We should have bought the far more capable Black Hawk off the shelf and in far greater numbers. His words, not mine,
Is that sarnies brother?
@@0121doone Trying to remember his name. Standby. Think he’s flying biz jets at Farnborough which is weird as he was flying 787s at BA.
@@0121doone Andy O
"Everyone has a say...in a nice environment". What a lovely, cuddly, caring and sharing fighting force we have these days.
I wish I desire earlier to join British army now I regret.
The Wildcat is largely unarmed = target practice 😁.
What a daft comparison!
Wish they’d stop flying over my house
You can formally complain, the flying complaints unit is based in RAF Henlow
No one wants to fly over Birmingham
If these three types of helicopters came up against an S400 air defence system then it is 👋👋👋 helicopters.
How many countries have the S400?
@@tonkerdog1
Just the ones we are likely to have serious conflicts with 😂🤣😂😂
@@tonkerdog1 have now? Or will have them loaned as soon as they need them by mother russia.
@@meme4one Something for our F35s to deal with.
@Varangian Guard
The S400 is really three missle systems on one. Short, medium and long range.
Where’s the point in the wildcat pointing a laser at a target for the Apache to shoot it why doesn’t the wildcat point a missile instead surely they can arm the wildcat just like the previous lynx.
The Apache has a laser designator, the Wildcat laser is pointless
Heterogeneity