Ultimate FE Denial Debate!
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- čas přidán 16. 01. 2023
- I team up with @TJump and we 'debate' Jason Laufenberg of @awakesouls and Ronnie Harris of / @rjshine7925 for an evening of denial, lack of understanding, dunning kruger and general nu-uh!
Oh boy!
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When is the FE community going to understand that failing to understand something is not the same as debunking that thing? I already know the answer.
There's still an FE community?
Thank you! That's exactly what I was thinking - but I couldn't have put it better than that. I've never seen either of these flerfers before, but they're definitely a couple of candidates for this years' top-left awards - especially that Ronnie chap. Certainly made me LOL when he couldn't work out how you could have a scale model of the solar system in a computer simulation. WTAF!!!!!!
Witsit understands relatiaty better than you globetards
"I don't accept your evidence because you did it yourself"
That's a new one.
They only reject evidence if someone else did it, or you did it. Unless it’s “evidence” for flat earth in which case the source can be NASA, CZcams, meme generator or just imagination.
While they accept any FE evidence because they did it themselves or other FE did it themselves.
That’s funny. They do say to do the science yourself and the when he did it the say they don’t accept it. Typical FLERFS
They accept any FE "Evidence" if any flerf have put out a lie, like "you can see stars though the non lit part of a half moon" and other total stupid lies.
Because not remembering which exact camera you used debunks the globe. Right. Got it.
How many times did they say "Let's move on" right when they were getting their asses handed to them (especially with MAGE)? I lost count.
EVERY time
Good question, but let's move on...
1:30:10 was a good one haha
@@Alienkiwi730yes, amazing how flat earthers run from showing evidence for their claims😂😂😂
Whenever you feel a little bit low, just thank god you’re not a flat earther.
Amen to that
Yeah its nice to know that even though I am quite stupid, Im still not stupid enough to fall for the flerf cult. 😂
Flerf 101: Maka a straw man claim of something stupendously wrong is happening, then argue that it’s not happening, and claim victory! 😂 😂 😂
The experiment with the point on a rotating disc in linear motion suggests on first sight that there are constantly changing accelerations acting on the point which a person at this point certainly would feel. But is this claim true? Let’s do the calculations:
Lets calculate the acceleration of a point on the equator as seen from the sun, i.e. the earth is rotating with an angular velocity ω and at the same time moving approximately linear with velocity u in the x direction (to get the same situation like in the experiment we consider x and u point to the left). The y direction is up. Let’s see whether the resulting acceleration should be felt. What do Newtons equation of motion predict?
The motion of a point on the equator is a combination of a rotation around the center of the earth and the linear speed and can be described by the following equations of motion (t=time, R=Radius of the earth):
x = R cos(ω t) + u t
y = R sin(ω t)
Now to get what acceleration the point would feel we have to take the derivative of this equations twice:
Velocity is the first derivative:
v_x = dx/dt = R ω (-sin(ω t)) + u
v_y = dy/dt = R ω cos(ω t)
And finally the acceleration is the second derivative:
a_x = dv_x/dt = R ω^2 (-cos(ω t))
a_y = dv_y/dt = R ω^2 (-sin(ω t))
Note, the linear speed has no acceleration component left. The only acceleration that resulted from this motion is the centripetal acceleration from the rotation. It has a constant magnitude of a = R ω^2 = 0.0337 m/s^2 and points always towards the center of the earth.
In the reference frame of the rotating point the centripetal acceleration turns into a centrifugal acceleration. So a person on the equator will register a constant acceleration upwards of 0.0337 m/s^2, no matter how fast the speed of the earth is around the sun or through the galaxy.
That’s what the laws of physics predict and that’s exactly what we can observe. This acceleration can and has been measured. Flat earth can’t explain this fact.
Can we feel this constant acceleration of 0.0337 m/s^2 pointing always in the same direction (up) relative to a person on the equator? Nope.
So this experiment does not disprove the heliocentric model, at all. It only demonstrates that flat earthers have no clue about physics, but think they are smarter than all astronomers and physicists. That’s called the Dunning/Krüger effect 😅
We can prove this result easily: Strap an accelerometer (e.g. a smartphone) on a wheel and recorded the acceleration. Make the experiment so that the wheel is laying on the ground so that the acceleration of gravity is perpendicular to the acceleration we want to measure and we can simply ignore this component. Physics and I predict that the phone will register a constant centrifugal acceleration, nothing else.
People about to watch this video: IKEA desks are not facedesk-proof.
Mr Sensible: you owe me a desk.
On the contrary. Cheapest IKEA desks are designed to have crumple zone which saves your head from more serious injuries in case of a nuclear facedesk incident.
Kinda single use though.
@@halko1 IKEA could put that in their advertising.
Bit of a niche market though
I thought I'd be safe by rolling my chair back away from my desk, but then I've still ended up with considerable facepalm injuries!
We need more comedy from these two.
I love Awake's 'proofs': "Poisoning the well, blahblahblah, programming, -ism -ism -*ism..." Imma flerf nao, gimme a crayon to munch :/
I wish there was a way to explain to flerfs that not understanding heliocentrism/science isn't the same as positive evidence for their derp.
30:10 "Shadows debunk materialism and atomism" Like... wow. They just went trough the rock bottom.
I had one idiot on Instagram try to tell me that the geocentric and heliocentric model were the essentially the same thing. He had the two names combined together. I calmly explained to him they were separate and in no way belonged together. All I got was nu uh they were the same and ad hominem attacks. I have a feeling his papa flerf said they belonged together. So of course that’s the way it’s supposed to be, because reasons.
Mr. Sensible I’m very surprised that you were able to talk to these fools for that long. All they wanted to do is talk but not listen and then say they crushed you in a debate. That’s why they didn’t want to let you guys respond. They only wanted to move on to their next bull s**t point. They didn’t want you to make your point.
and Ronnie the turd was sooo disrepectful. Scary are these people.
Jason added the solstice and equinox labels to the orbit diagram. They are not on the TimeAndDate image.
I challenged him on his original video about this. If he’s right and the “heliocentric model” only allows eclipses at the equinoxes, how is he the first person in hundreds, if not thousands, of years to notice that reality doesn’t match the model?
@@andrewjohnston6631ecause he made it up and didn’t say it’s when the moon crosses (or is close to) the ecliptic and the timings change because the orbits aren’t perfectly in sync or circular perhaps?
@@murph8411I’m pretty late to the party. But I’m pretty sure you’re largely correct.
The moon’s orbit undergoes something called nodal precession about once every 18.6 years. What that means is, to your point, the max 5° inclination point in the moon’s orbit does not always occur during the solstice. That point slowly rotates, so the window for “eclipse season” is not the same date range every year, it shifts.
If you look at the list of solar eclipses over time, you will notice that in the early 2000’s, around the June 21, 2001 date he alleges is the impossible eclipse, for several years, almost every single solar eclipse occurred near a solstice. In 2001 and 2002, all solar eclipses were in June or December, and then in 2003 that shifted to May/November eclipses.
I only just saw this debate, but this question was driving me a little crazy so I had to dig into it. Before now, I really didn’t know too much about eclipses, so I’m at least a little glad that watching flat earth debates helped me learn a little more about orbital mechanics. 😅
MAGE destroyed these muppets. SLAM, DUNK ! Well done Mr. S.
1:43 in and I am sure with that word salad we could end world hunger
That much word salad could feed people and animals. We could stop farming. Or they would be the source of all the green house gasses. Lmao😅😂 🤣
What is so bad is the fact that it probably did not take very long to find these two nitwit flerfers.
Ronnie & Jason have been around forever. They got in a feud with Bob Knodel. They figured out that the disk Earth with the circling Sun doesn't work so they replaced it with something worse.
@@Mandelbrot_Set Thanks. What is this 'something worse' in a nutshell?
@@josleys It is an oblique Mercator projection with Antarctica split in two. Highly distorted. You get teleported from one side to another like PAC-MAN. The Equator is a wavy line.
@@josleys They copied it from World Maps Online and moved things around. Half of New Zealand's North Island is missing as well as everything from there to the International Date Line. They duplicated some of the Hawaiian Islands.
@@josleys MCToon covered the map in a debate with Jason Laufenberg. It is on his website under "awake-souls."
czcams.com/video/a16m5O8REr8/video.html
It ain't flat.
Yes it is
@@Coalemos No it's not.
Yes it is.
@@fepeerreview3150
Evidence?
Is this the argument room?
3:10 Limitless loses no time poisoning the well. It's right there as he introduces himself.
At the same time, he promised to show how the world works in their realm. During the whole "debate" the only thing I have seen them present is "proof" that the heliocentric model is wrong. The only time I have seen any attempt to explain things from the flat earth perspective was when Jason tried to explain solar eclipses and came up with a lot of word salad including elevation angles and such, and then the other clown interjects with a bible quote.
This was awesome, was great teaming up with you!
26:43 Ronnie interrupts TJump because he knows TJump is successfully calling him out on his stupidity. It's not about "mph" it's about _rotational_ speed.
I've watched all I've got the patience for tonight. I wish I had the time to take this on, one debunk at a time. But it would be several weeks of work to get through their long list of screwed up, strawman "heliocentric" models, and I've got a life beyond this stuff.
Once again, it's a useless debate. There isn't time in this format to really deal with the problems and bring them to resolution.
Ronnie did that many times
It wouldn’t really matter if they used linear speed as it should still have the earth and the moon moving together around the sun. Making it appear as if the earth shoots off around the sun and the moon should be racing to catch it up and then applying that to the whole solar system is a common flat earth ridiculous claim. They just don’t understand reference frames even when people try to give them simple analogies like walking, jumping or throwing a ball on a plane or other vehicle.
The graphic may be from a “heliocentric” webpage but it’s still a vast oversimplification since they don’t want to confuse the general public.
I mean the moon orbits earth at only 5 degrees but the graphic shows a very close moon which is orbiting in a circular orbit and at fixed positions at certain times of the year. It also looks like it’s tilted more than 5 degrees. The actual lunar orbit isn’t circular or in sync with the earths orbit around the sun.
The fact when they are asked how these curved paths for eclipse shadows all over earth can work on a flat plane they say it’s simple but just waffle some words with no actual explanation shows they don’t actually have any idea.
@@whitejosh444the same when tjump asked about seeing the dark strip along the bottom of the mall wall behind the model when they said you couldn’t see her shoes because they were beyond the vanishing point or circle of sight. At around 1 hour 27 in.
Ronnie totally changed the subject and ignored this since it showed he was incorrect in his assumptions.
I watched that. They have to be Poes, at least for sure limitless is. I'm really amazed at the amount of study and work these flat earthers put into something so stupid. But then again I've known people to study the Bible every day for their whole life and think every word in it is holy and direct from God.
They claim to be bible experts. I am sure that all that they have done is read it alone.
Hi cygnustsp. Nice to see you here. I hope you're feeling good and back on your feet.
I forgot about these guys… they’ve been doing this for half a decade at least. Not poes. Morons.
@@fepeerreview3150 thanks man. While I was in the hospital a hot water pipe burst and destroyed a good part of my house. All the utilities are off and because the house is 120 years old it's been a bitch getting inspections to turn them on. I've looked into a short sale of the property but no one is giving me near enough just to cover the mortgage. Oh and the fire dept store a lot of valuables I had hidden. And I'm starting my 70 hours a week job Monday. So I'm pretty stressed out lol. I've been here before though and I'll get through it again.
People can convince themselves of almost anything. I think these guys are capable of missing big chunks of information and not actually inspecting their ideas closely enough to see what they missed. I am at 45:22 listening to what they are missing they could be missing it because they can’t visualise the orbits or they could be missing it because they know they can take people in by doing so.
When i was TJump or Mr.Sensible i would do it in an different style:
Ask the Flatearthers to explain the Flatearth model and ask them to explain how the Flatearth works.
Because everytime you ask them that and hold their feet to the fire:
it makes them very angry.
(I dont know why? ;))
Yep. They feel that by not understanding globe model they won the argument, while even if they were right it's only half the battle, as now they have to create model with predictive capability.
1:07:57 "flat plane like a simulation reality that we teach"
Flerfs, 2023
The fun bit towards the end with the double south pole... when the flerfs(?) were describing how it wraps around... well that results in a donut or a sphere... uh...
“Why don’t we have a lunar eclipse every month?” 😂 😂 He’s watching too much of peeing warrior’s channel! 😂 😂 Next thing I was expecting him to say was: “this is an egg”
As soon as I saw the name awake souls I knew it was going to be hilarious.
"We live in a simulation because I don't know what I'm talking about"
Never will be flat! In spite of the incredulity and denials.
That 'experiment' in the shopping mall: could they try to do that in a cold room? Answer is no, they wouldn't because that would debunk their own claim.
That mirage is the same thing as you see on roads on hot days. Not at all what we see at the horizon.
Flerfs need to learn that, Ignorance of is not evidence for..
The question is if the ignorance willful or not. Likely is.
You show them proof you did yourself, that they keep asking for, and they still don’t believe it or think you did something to deceive everyone. There is Nothing you or anyone else will say or do that will convince these people that they are wrong. You shouldn’t bother wasting your time, though I do appreciate it, because it is good for a laugh. Good work, Mr. Sensible and TJump for keeping your cool. Too bad their minds are so wide open that their brains have fallen out.
So yet again, flat earther's "debunks" of the globe model turn out to be their lack of understanding of the globe model.
I'm spotting a pattern here.
Mr Sensible, I found you through that debate and indeed you are sensible as hell. Especially in the face of this Ronnie guy…
Great job btw, you crushed them ❤
Flerfs love to ignore all the other variables affecting a situation and glom onto just one and declare victory without understanding the issue.
I'm looking forward for part 2
Won’t accept evidence unless you did it yourself.
Won’t accept evidence unless someone else has done it.
Won’t accept evidence.
"did your friend conspiracy catz donate his channel to you?"
Wow, 2 hours but at least he got something right.
It’s amazing that these people function society, really.
It’s amazing they function. Full stop.
Do they really not grasp that the orbital plane of the moon and the orbital plane of the earth are not fixed in place?!?
This is like a kid who built his own tricycle visiting the Ferrari headquarters and arguing their cars can't, won't and don't work.
these 2 clowns are on a different level! They don't understand anything then accuse Mr. S and T-jump of not understanding! Unbelievable!"
And Ronnie thinks 'north' is 'uphill'!?!?!?!?!
Get these guys on the Final Experiment FREE flight to finally seal their lies
It's almost ableist of you guys to debate Dumb and Dumber.
I like how they claim that the moon and the shadow are a problem for the globe then turn around and offer no explanation that fits a flat stationary earth that better explains it.
The sixth Law of Flerf: All images are fake except those shown by flat earthers or me.
Did Jason take all the images he showed? Did he photoshop his mall footage so the wall was visible but you couldn’t see the closer feet because they’re beyond the limit of sight?
Wow Ronnie is agressively ignorant. He thinks North is up and said gravity cannot hold water down, because of how HEAVY it is? It's pretty obvious that they get all their info from memes.
Hi Mr Sensible thanks for the video. Had a good giggle. Ronnie sure does love talking. Shame it’s all 💩😂.
67,000 mph at a distance of 93 million miles vs. 2,288 mph at somewhere around 250,000 miles, but they won't understand
The earth and moon together are orbiting the sun. The 2000mph moon is relative to the earth not the orbit around the sun.
Density is so so thick
1:32:30 If the Sun is literally within the clouds, how do clouds exist? The temperature should be so high over there that clouds should boil away. It's painful to put up with this level of stupidity.
They simply DIDN'T LISTEN!
Literally the only argument they make is “that’s fake” without providing any evidence whatsoever
Flat Earthers DEFUNKED Before there very eyes but cannot see that is HILARIOUS
Flat Earth in a nutshell: denialism, strawmaning, nuh-uhing, handwaving and total ignorance.
The diagram and argument at 48:00 is so dumb, you guys completely missed the point of their "Debunk" and started talking about totality, umbra, and penumbra. Their claim is that the earth is orbiting the sun at 67000mph, and the moon is orbiting the earth at 2300mph, so the combined speed of the moon against the earth should be 69300mph. They're conveniently ignoring the fact that the moon is also orbiting the sun at that same 67000mph, since it's part of the earth-moon system.
They just said at the end that the "horizon" is what starts the object to disappear bottom up but their example was a woman in a MALL!🤦🏻♂️ Soooo the Earths horizon is in that mall?🤦🏻♂️
Dear Mr Sensible. Next time a flat earther says that we can only see a distance of 80 miles, please ask how is it that we can see the moon, which according to them is about 3 000 miles away?
I get the impression that these two are trying to start some sort of cult.
You got that right.
That's exactly what they are doing. Very David Koresh branch davidian esque type too.
Ronnie & Jason have told their followers that they won't really die. They will re-spawn as though they are in a video game.
Yes, and regardless of what any debunker does, they will win a few groupies. These people will be immune to reason and will be searching for fantasies.
The question is whether they can find enough that they can make a living off of them. I doubt it. This cultish Flat Earth thing really doesn't look to me like it's got a future. They'd be better off going back to school and learning something so that they can get a job loading shelves at Walmart.
AFAIK, they get no income from their CZcams activities.
So struggling to grasp movement of objects in a 3D settings somehow debunks the heliocentric model. Got it. Poor fellows.
Edit. Having listened some more, I can claim with absolute confidence that these dudes know full well how the heliocentric model works. Perhaps not in detail but they get the basics. We’re dealing with a couple of grifters. 100% certainty on that diagnosis.
I agree. No way these guys believe what they are trying to sell.
If anything, Mr Sensible’s hair was definitely the best on show.
Thank you Mr. Sensible. It was interesting encounter. How the FE guys were so confident, thinking, they understand. Their presentation full alleged debunks, but in reality full of misunderstanding and straw mans. And they weren't able to grasp even the simplest concepts, showing memes or trying to move on when you guys were destroying their arguments.
42:11 they are trying to add velocities from two different reference frames, which does not work.
These people will argue their house isn't burning down around them
They can see the marker rotating constantly and not stopping in the video and they still argue that it’s stopping and reversing its motion. They think you’d measure acceleration.
I've always wondered if they were just Poes, as their false arguments are so easily shown to be wrong. But I may be underestimating their stupidity.
It’s difficult to tell the scammers from the genuinely gullible (or stupid)
Hilarious - they start the debate boasting about their objective, practical, repeatable, measurable evidence, and end it by putting themselves in a position where they must actually invoke the matrix and deny the objectivity of reality itself in order to have a "working model" - which is not only funny as hell, but also totally unfalsifiable.
So their idea of a model is "the sun just does whatever cause it's a virtual reality projection." - Or in other words, their model is quite literally "every copy of the sun is personalized".
At 1:47:09 they say, either through it... wow... airplanes going through the sun, if I could ever experience that.
Death by very very very very very… VERY extreme heat? I think I’ll pass.
1:26:27 The woman's feet are not hidden behind a distinct horizon, but merely distorted by a mirage occurring when the camera is placed very close to the floor. Refraction effects increase closer to the surface. Air near the floor will be warmer than the air higher up due to the A/C in the mall, and this produces mirages. When the camera is lifted up to a higher elevation, this effect is gone.
Can I be your sidekick?
I'll call myself "Mr. Sensibling"...
I already have the appropriate fashionable haircut!
The unbridled arrogance and condescension from people so dumb they think rivers cannot flow north because that would mean they would be flowing "uphill" is just amazing and completely unwarranted.
EVERY bridge ever built takes the Earth curve into account in construction.
How the hell could heliocentrism have anything to do with Kabbalism? Kabbalism was a late medieval (13th century) development in Jewish Talmudic mysticism, drawing much on Sufism and probably originated in Andalus (now Spain and Portugal). That was about 1,700 years after heliocentrism was first realised and proposed (at least by people who could write, such as Philolaus - almost certainly earlier by various "sea peoples" who had no writing).
It was over 300 years after Ibn Al-Haytham conducted what we nowadays call a meta-analysis of all the available work from astronomers over many centuries, including manuscripts from India, Greece, Rome and China as well as Arabia, North Africa and Persia, plus his own observations, to see if he could definitively conclude the geocentic v heliocentric arguments. He concluded that heliocentrism was a possibility, but there was insufficient evidence to adopt it definitively.
It is Jason and Ronnie's history of science which is screwed up or their history of religion (admittedly an esoteric religious by-way)? Or both? I suspect the latter.
Not only that but Jesuits had been around long before Newton, something like a 100 years. Newton had some weird ideas but I’m pretty sure he wasn’t a catholic priest that founded the jesuits while also being a raging homosexual that forged (faked?) gold.
He was apparently strange, difficult to get along with and may have died a virgin.
It’s crazy that they say periscopes, gyroscopes, lighthouses and sun dials can’t work on a globe! I’d like to see the explanation for that unless they go back to their huge hump in the sea idea and that sudden, miles high hump they imagine would hide lighthouses and periscopes?
Gyroscopes I can’t imagine unless they think the earth moving or gravity would stop them working? Maybe they should have a look at Foucault’s gyroscope?
I’m not sure how sun dials can work if the sun isn’t real and moves as the observers location moves in their flat earth. I’d like to see some calculations for how it works on their flat earth but not on a globe.
@@murph8411 I don't see what the Jesuits have to do with this. Nor is there evidence of Newton being gay, just an extreme misanthrope.
I feel sorry for that poor camera sensor pointing at the sun, burning the sensor pixels... Then they believe those burned pixels are stars when they point at the moon.
Ronnie is just machinegun word salad
Like your circle of sight is the distance you can see to your vanishing point.
Totally ignoring that the vanishing point is the point when an object’s angular size becomes too small for you to resolve and funnily enough a huge building will vanish much further away than a box of matches therefore you have no “vanishing point” per se and therefore ronnie’s circle of sight doesn’t definition doesn’t make sense.
What’s even worse is he goes on to say the higher up you go the further you can see because your circle of sight gets bigger (yes it’s because you can see over the feckin curve) and this also happens in reverse somehow in that the ships masts circle of sight also gets bigger (even though that makes no sense as it’s not seeing).
All this just is exactly as you’d expect on a globe as the altitude of the observer and/or object increases but Ronnie just states his nonsensical circle of sight increases for both people and objects without any explanation.
Ronnie is the living definition of Dunning Kruger. Spectacularly confident in his ignorance.
Big up to Mr Sensible to stay calm in front of those dispicable human being calling him layer.
Thanks!
@Mr sensible.
Hey bro I have just watched you on 24/7 discord with ftfe showing your video of a tiny fraction of so called curvature.
So I want to know why don't you show the side of the globe so we can really see the curvature and water on the side of your globe why can't you provide this visual proof.
And all the videos that you and the flat earthers showed not once did we see the earth rotating below can you explain this pls.
@@adrianmoore3118 every second of the vid showing horizon is showing the side of the earth. Or the bottom. Or top. Do you not understand there is no top/bottom to earth?
@Mr sensible.
I understand that you lot say there's no top or bottom to a globe but I also asked why can't we see the earth rotating at 1.000 mph or see the movement of the earth traveling at 66.600 mph or the Sun traveling at 500.000 mph.
The footage you showed and other video footage showed no movement of the earth what so ever.WHY.?
@@adrianmoore3118 holly sh@#&, Conservation. Of. Momentum.
The globe model can predict eclipses. Done.
I Wonder why they don’t just send a ballon and show a picture of the flat earth. Things that make you go hmmmm
just occurred to me, of course the eclipse penumbra travels West to East. The moon blocks the sun right to left, always
The nuh-uhh was strong in these flerfs 😁
February 26 is the anniversary of the first non-stop circumnavigation of the globe by air in 1950. The USAF B-50 bomber Lucky Lady II completed the flight of over 26000 miles, roughly paralleling the equator, in just over 94 hours with 8 refuelings. How do the flerfs explain that?
They claim that it was flying in a circle. They allow circumnavigation over the equator while claiming that it cannot be done over the poles. That has been done several times, though.
That was actually painful at points...! I'm surprised you were able to keep your composure as long as you did Mr Sensible. I think I facepalmed enough times during that to warrant a trip to my GP to check for concussion.
Not sure if it was just me, but I felt that bordered on a new brand of Flerfism? Still the same talking over people, still the same denial in the face of empirical evidence, and still the same (flimsy at best) "proofs" but something seemed different and I can't put my finger on it?
They think the universe is simulated so they don’t have to provide physical models
Do they not know if Earth is orbiting at 67,000 mph, so is the Moon. He mixes his numbers real well. Awake souls and friend are sound asleep.
19:00 Criminey. They think the moon is always in the position shown on the Summer Solstice, just because it's drawn that way in this illustration.
Jason must have created that animation. The lunar nodes do not line up with the Solstice.
@@Mandelbrot_Set The level of wrongness they achieved was impressive.
@@Mandelbrot_SetI think they got the basic thing minus their added text from the internet. I think they said time and date. That doesn’t change the fact it’s a simplified model just to show how the moon not orbiting in line with the sun/earth means you won’t get an eclipse every month. It’s not “the heliocentric model” as the flerfers keep asserting, isn’t animated or showing how the moons orbit isn’t in sync with the solar orbit or that the orbits aren’t circular.
Claiming indoctrination about something you've ignorant about say a lot.
Ronnie shining a flashlight on a curved mirror is a perfect depiction of reality, but TJump shining a flashlight on a basketball is a "crazy nonsensical strawman"? Did I get that right?
lolz
Do these flat earthers really think that the multiplicative of bullshit is proof?
something like that,yeah. although the word "think" is highly inappropriate in this context.
I'm really struggling to comprehend how Ronnie and Jason function in real life. They seem to understand absolutely NOTHING - well, apart from how to gabble complete and utter gibberish of course. Good job Mr S and TJump on trying to talk sense to a couple of very nonsensical flerfs.
I keep hearing “next debunk” cause if they stick on a topic long ent they know it will disintegrate into the dust it was built on! The levels of stupidity flerfs are pulling up are just mind numbing and simultaneously amazing
What would they say about the Southern Cross? The Southern Star Trails!
Wow 12 points of utter idiocy for Flat Earth, that's quite a lot of gibberish.
I made a scale model in a computer of the Earth, and moon to scale, it's not hard to do.
What did you use in the way of software? Blue Marble Science did some models in AutoCad a few years back. The videos are probably still up on his channel.
@@fepeerreview3150 I used a program called Dark Basic Pro. It's easy to program. I was actually testing to see if the Earth Rise photo looked the right size, and it did.
@@pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591 Very cool! Thanks.
@@pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591 That has only to do with the focal length and diameter of the sensor or in that old case diameter of the film to do. In that case a normal lens was used. In this case FoV was 45 degrees.
I’m sure these flerfs would ask you: “How did you fit the earth and moon to scale in your computer?” 😂😂😂
Wow, we have here a 57 course banquet of word salads, just word salads, with a side of personal incredulity. And a nice Chianti.
Seriously, i have never heard so much gibberish in all my life and ive been married three times. Thanks Mr S ❤ Where do you find these people?
Ronnie-“proof of the earth’s rontitity”😂😂😂😂😂
These flerfs just refuse to listen to how the 3 dimensional universe works. They can only understand simple 3D diagrams work.
Ok watched the whole thing ... had facepalm protection ... it wasn't enough ... I now have flat face ...
A “continuous closed system”. Right. Got it. Not a contradiction in terms at all.
2:36:20 “Enclosed continuous system”…Sounds a lot like a globe.
Right? I was struggling to understand his explanation. He kept repeating it like it would make more sense each time he said it. Dumbasses.
Omg they don't know how to scale works 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
What they showed was not a 3D model. That was a way out of scale diagram. Their 5 degree marker was more like 45 degrees.
Soooooo, did I understand correctly pointing out curvature is not elevation is a mind control trick?
Wow.
four minutes in, all assertions debunked already.
The 5 degree angle of the “to high moon” is more like 45 degrees.
And: Let’s debunk the interaction of 3 moving and rotating objects by not making them dynamic.
Dunning Kruger is strong here. For clarity, I am talking about the Flatties
Flerfs cant tech!
Globers can't accept reality
It's not spinning. It's not curving. It's as flat as water
@@Coalemos We're still waiting for your evidence.
@@Coalemos If the Earth is as flat as water, then that means it's a globe - because water isn't flat.
@@Coalemos What about all the times water is not flat? Times like when its round in droplet form (rain), when its curved on the top due to surface tension in a very full glass, when it sticks to curved objects like in sculputres? Also, as I am sure at least infinity other people have patiently explained to you, water in large bodies is not "flat" on top, it is "level". If you look up level in the dictionary for this context, it clearly explains how level means conforming to the curvature of the earth.
Water is flat and level