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If you haven't watched yet, check out the video I made about choosing which machine or spray gun.

@@JakeLesada hey jake i watch you but i must of missed that video... looking at the power5 apollo or mini mite or q5

I didn't know that, thank you for the information. I had to get rid of some ground hornets buried under old concrete buried in dirt, luckily I retreated when they swarmed out. I used my pressure washer with a foam cannon loaded with dish soap to neutralize them. It worked, they haven't been back.

With turbine spraying, the cup is pressurized from the side air tube going into the cup. Once the cup is pressured, the air forces the fluid out similar to how gravity would flow the fluid out of the tip. The advantage to gravity feed would be the natural familiarity of spraying if someone is crossing over from compressor style paint spraying to turbine paint spraying. I have an older video on this channel that shows the difference, " compressor vs. turbine spraying".

Performancrewise with metallics etc not an issue then? just wondering because i just grabbed a avanti 5 stage on open box and have a fuji unit but wanted to try the avanti gun with the pps

Metallics are super easy with turbine spraying.

Yes, check out the video on "Beginners Classes" I take apart and reassemble spray guns. The clear front mod is revealed in "Mod Revealed" video. The front mod is a water bottle cut out and fitted with blue fine line vinyl tape. If you have time, checkout my new channel "Turbine Sprayer", I'm do more spraying videos in low psi and my other spray guns. Thank you for watching.

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That's a great suggestion too. At work, I could floss after eating buffet - can't floss with fishing line. Thank you for watching and commenting.

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It does have a sorta fan width adjustment at the back of the spray gun. I call it an "air choker".

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Once you get used to how turbine spraying works, you'll really start having fun. The Avanti 5 stage has good power and the psi range will be around 9.5psi static pressure and when the air bleed occurs it's more like 8.4-5psi. Their turbine spray gun uses about 3 psi on trigger pull, and the back adjustment for the fan width will reduce the size of the fan but at the cost of reducing atomizing air pressure. So be conscious of that air to atomization relationship because you'll notice more orange peel if you reduce the fan width too much. As a comparison, the spray gun tips for turbine spraying auto clear favor 1.0mm and with the Avanti 5 stage, the 1.3mm is no problem - but you have to move fast enough because it will hose it on like you're using 1.5mm compressor gun and you might get runs. Make sure you get full saturation with the lay down too, otherwise the spray will look used car lot dry. On my other channel " Turbine Sprayer" I go into more details on specific topics, check it out when you have time. I also like to cycle my machines to off whenever possible - when I"m not spraying in between flash off times - doing so will reduce any heat building up and it will be quieter in the room. If spraying in hotter days, it's a good idea to place a fan to help cool the machine if it gets too warm. Also, if you're spraying outside work, the sun will warm the hose and machine fast so be conscious of that too, and look for shade if possible. Don't use too long of a hose because you'll get pressure drop at the air cap and paint atomization will suffer. I've maxed to 35ft and eventually shortened my hose to 30ft and 15ft for my needs. You're lucky to have found a machine, in my area they are sold out within over a 100 mile radius and only display models with missing pieces - but at bargain prices a great deal.

@@JakeLesada thanks Jake! That’s great info and advice, and much appreciated! I didn’t know you had another channel, I’m definitely going to check it out. Thanks again!👊🏻

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I attached the air gauge thru an Apollo coupler with my own custom mod.

That's a great deal at HB. When I'm spraying I don't regulate air pressure at the machine - but at the Avanti spray gun fan control dial at the back of the spray gun. I call the dial an air choker and adjusting it will reduce the working air flow pressure (psi). The adjustment is designed to reduce the spray fan width, but sometimes it can reduce the needed air pressure to atomize certain paint materials like thicker primer. And the result will be more texture. Also check out my other channel "Turbine Sprayer" I go into more depth on spraying topics and spraying sessions. The Avanti gun will consume about 3psi when trigger is pulled and the flow pressure will drop, but it works because the machine pressure is a 5 stage. Check out the spraying with water video topic ep2 on other channel.

Yes, that is the S34 adapter and it works great. Thank you so much for watching the videos.

My hose handles it fine. According to Flexzilla tech, it's the same composition as the 3/8" air hose we use in the body shop. But, they don't have testing data for how I"m using it as an air hose - they only have date for water use. But, the air hose we have in the spray booth goes through 140F-160F bake cycles. I get heat temp readings of around 10 degrees above ambient room temp with the turbine machines I'm using. When it's around 100F in the booth the machine is around 115F -118F.

@@JakeLesada That's great! Thought you might not have run it that long doing panels. I do kitchen cabinets and it could be running for a couple hours at a time sometimes

Yes, the Apollo fittings work really well with this spray gun. I use it with my custom cut Flexzilla garden hose.

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I'm using my own custom made Flexzilla garden hose with the Apollo fittings.

If the chain is installed backwards it will not cut correctly. Check chain direction first, arrow should point to front of bar. I don't know which model you have, but I looked at Ryobi's 6" oil less saw and noticed there is a (+ and - ) icon on the tool. Check with your operators manual and read the procedure to adjust chain tension. The tension should be not too tight, use gloves to protect your hands from the sharp chain, and pull on the chain with thumb and middle finger to give it a slight pull - it should have a enough tension to snap back slightly to the bar. Rotate the chain and make sure it can rotate freely without any binding. Not to loose and not too tight is best for chain rotation. As you get used to adjusting the chain, you'll find a best tension tightness for it. Hope this helps.

For the finish to be similar, the paint viscosity must be thin enough to flow with a 2 stage. If the machine doesn't have enough air cfm (cubic feet per minute) or psi of at least 5psi -6psi - the finish will possibly have more orange peel texture. However if the paint is thinned and can easily be sprayed with the 2 stage, the finish will be similar. Do a water test spray out and see if the 2 stage machine can spray water to a full gloss.

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I got some really cheap 4 for $20 used modules from a Prius used car dealer. The modules had low voltage SOC (state of charge) but, they were close to my pack individual module voltages. I installed only one module that had the best or least voltage drop in a 24hr period. The car was back on the road. It was great for several months until we used aftermarket seat warmers from Amazon and then the pack red triangle reappeared. I scanned the car to see which module was bad and it was the one I had replaced from the Prius used car dealer. So, I redid the pack again by replacing only that bad module, and since I still had 3 leftover from the "4 for $20" group, I used one of those to get the car back on the road. As long as the replacement modules are good, you should be fine. The ones I got used and installed probably were just "ok" and not good.

Be certain you have correct oil for bar and chain. Remove battery first of course, then I would check to see if wood particles are bunched up under the chain tension guard and small chain sprocket. If it is full of wood chips, clean and see if it helps get the oil to flow better.

@@JakeLesada great idea. Will try this and report back. Thanks!

It stills sounds and performs like new. I even got a "Smart" brand remote switch for it that matches the required amps.

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What kind or brands do you have?

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I made you a video, "how to make your own diy soft edge masking tool", and it should be up Thursday. Hope you like it.

In this video I'm using the 3M adapter S18, it's the longer adapter. designed for the bottom feed. But now, I use the shorter S34 adapter originally designed for the top feed spray guns. It works and is shorter and lighter than the S18. The "S" designates it as the 2.0 version and the #18 or#34 adapter designates it as the 1.0 version. Just remember the shorter the air hose the stronger the air cap pressure at the spray gun. I cut my hose down now to a 30ft and 15ft length. I also use sandwich bags as my liners for the 3M PPS system.

@@JakeLesada yeah I read up and seen the s#'s are 2.0, I just wasn't sure what number. And I'm definitely cutting the 100ft down to a more practical length. I will be painting a vehicle in a booth so I will have a long hose for that and a short hose for smaller projects. I wonder if the spectrum liners work in the 3M setup? Didn't spectrum just copy them? The liners are cheap at HF but a sandwich bag is a great idea, especially if painting something besides automotive! Thanx for the reply, I'm sure il be back with plenty of questions as I get this rig up and running! Your the best brother!

I think the Spectrum liners are meant for the 1.0 version PPS. Compare the top center opening of the liner lid. The 1.0 is small in diameter, and the 2.0 is a larger opening. Also, the hose I'm using is a 5/8" diameter.

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I used my old barbed fittings from my Apollo hose. And then, I reattached with the Otekiker clamps I removed from the Apollo hose and rewrapped them with black electrical tape for esthetics. You can use a regular small hose clamp to connect the hose to the fitting, but it is not as factory oem looking. Also, Flexzilla has a hose custom cut fitting on their website that looks like it could work too. I talked to the tech rep Tyler today, and he described them to me and I think they should work great. They are made of aluminum similar to the Apollo fittings. The couplers I used are the Apollo couplers, they work great and are made of aluminum. I'm still working on getting some links up, but you can source the Flexzilla couplers at Ace hardware. I got some on order from Amazon and will get those links up if they work, and after I experiment with the fittings. I just recut my hose to 30ft and reused my clamps, I'll post that video in a couple days.

Thank you. I have the avanti as well and would like to use it the watt you do.

Walang anoman! Yes, that should be plenty. Depending on the equipment you use, if you can spray base coat at 5.5psi you'll save paint from excess overspray. The clear coat, depending on brand and mix ratio, can be sprayed from 6psi to 7psi. Higher psi like 8psi or 9psi will use more paint, but you'll have to move faster so you don't get runs or sags. The base coats like a 0.8mm needle and tip - for most brands. You can go larger to 1.0mm but be careful not to over wet the base coat using a larger needle and tip. I used 1.3mm and it does increase the spraying speed, but it will build fast so you gotta move fast. Most clear coat brands can be sprayed at 1.0mm as the "go to size". If you use a smaller 0.8mm thinking you'll reduce your orange peel texture, you will reduce the peel a bit - but the paint will also be thinner. And, if you're using a high solids clear thru a small 0.8mm needle and tip, there will be more overspray because the clear is being choked thru a small tip. 1.0mm is best all around size. 1.3mm goes heavy with clear coat and waste the paint sometimes. Also try to get at least a 4 stage unit if you can, 5 stage is best standard all around, and the newer 6 stage is higher psi and more power. Automotive clear coats are in the 37% -42%-51% solids content and 4 stage and 5 stage can handle them easily. Practice with spraying water at first to get the water to gloss. Siempre

@@JakeLesadaI wanted the Precision 6 but just the bare turbine was $2100 so instead I got the Precision 5 LE plus which came loaded with 7700 gun with 5 needles and 3 caps( B, B/hs,C/hs). It was better priced at $1950. Looking forward to seeing more videos from you. Mabuhay!

Salamat. I also started a new channel specifically for turbine spraying. It is called "Turbine Sprayer". I'm still working out the pivot issues to the new channel and will be uploading more content you can learn from. Siempre

The fittings I'm using are the Apollo couplers and hose barbed end fittings. The links to the Flexzilla hose are in my Flexzilla hose video. Try and use the shortest hose because you have a 3 stage and you'll have more pressure at the air cap with a shorter hose. A good length for a short hose is 20ft - 15ft. And for a long hose, mine was at 33ft 4inches, but I just cut it to 30ft. I use the Avanti turbine replacement gun and my older and new Apollo spray gun. The prices are on low and high end but the performance of either I can spray anything. Sanding between coats is normal if you want an absolute flat panel for show car. I always like to get the panel straight in metal, do the filler and glaze, and level out my coats to flat. I don't really like to use the high build primers to much but prefer the easy flowing 2k primers and block it with guide coat. The high build stuff always ends up on the floor anyway.

Right, but it depends on the application with the numbers.

It is a non-bleeder turbine spray gun. The machine has 2 air bleed-off ports, one in the back and a small bypass inside.

I got it dialed in.

Thank you for pointing that out, and in future videos I'll show it better. At 32 seconds into the video, I show that I'm pulling the bulb out of the socket. Thank you for watching and commenting.

I'll try to explain. First, understand that you are the #1 variable in the spraying. Your spraying distance with the spray gun should be about 6"-7" inches from the panel - could be a little bit closer but don't go too far away. Second, the air pressure will also be set at the machine to whatever the machine has available or to whatever setting you are able to set it at. The mixture is going to be based on keeping the #1 variable constant and the air pressure constant. The fan adjustment is needed if you want the edges of the spray pattern to be less straggly bits of atomization, then you tighten the fan a little. Now for the mixture, it will depend on the size of the tip you choose and the air cap. The tip is more important to pick correctly. The thick paint needs a bigger tip (1.0mm -1.3mm/1.5mm), the thin paint - like base coat needs a smaller tip (0.8mm), and the clear coat likes medium size tip (1.0mm). If the spray gun setting has dry spray on wall test, then you have too little of mixture for the amount of air - so increase the fluid mixture. Or, you could be moving to fast - slow down a bit. If the spray out causes the paint to run then you keep air constant and decrease fluid mixture. Or, you could be moving too slow - pick up the pace a bit. You will be able to see the correct glossy when light easily shines off the spray test, and it is not over wet - if it doesn't run after you walk away and come back to look at it. Hope this helps.

@JakeLesada Thanks Jake, that was a great explanation. I really appreciate all your videos on hvlp turbine painting. Are you coming out with anymore videos anytime soon?

I made a video for you explaining the theory of how to adjust mixture for turbine spraying. I'm editing it and it should be up tomorrow. It will explain better what you'll need to do when adjusting your mix. I'm using water as my spray material - water represents clear coat easily in spraying lessons.

@@JakeLesada oh man! Thank you so much! I will be on the lookout for it.

I finally got it posted, it's on my new channel "Turbine Sprayer". It's episode 01.

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That's a good deal, I got the same spray guns.

Thank you for the suggestion about the other models. The higher chain speed of the other models would be fun to cut with.

@@JakeLesada Honestly, the 20” is almost too much of a beast. It’s bigger size and heavier weight make me still default to my 18” for most things. But the 20” is great for processing big logs!

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