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Making some really good points. Well done! The only problem is if we don't give ownership our money they wouldn't necessarily sell the team. They could also move the team. In the end the billionaires always find a way to win.

You could have said the same thing for the past 4 years.

Guys - this was an upper management coup to oust Scott - NOTHING else makes sense 😳

If Dipoto goes, Tim Stanton is on the sidelines waiting to takeover Jerry’s job. Watch Wednesday’s Locked On Mariners (last 3-4 minutes). Be careful what you wish for.

The players are next

🙌🏻Wow!!! This is the best of a series of increasingly outstanding presentations. You have by far the best Mariners podcast around. Maybe the only realistic point of view of what has happened and will happen to this team.

Dude, you are right on but the Niners jersey in the background on a Seattle podcast? Not a good look.

100% Dead on!

Fans have been saying this sine 1977.

Man, you are SPOT on. Absolutely love your honesty and everything you said about Dipoto is bullseye. Thank you for your passion, intelligence and integrity!

Scott Servais put team narratives above his players. Smootching the Front Office works to keep your coaching job on bad teams. The Mariners have a good team, and the players checked out because of management nepotism.

The Mariners *still* have a shit here but its unlikely. Houston is going up against BAL, PHI and KCR for the next 11 games

If the Mariners got Luhnow as a GM they could be the next Houston astros 👀 js

maybe it will make a difference. A new voice the players respond to could be key. A guy who is a competent strategist and not an idiot who always looked like a rookie even years later, might be key.

Hoping john stanton resigns till he goes.. maybe things change for the Mariners... servais getting fired unfortunately right move ... lets see how wilson does .....😊

I'd be apt to look at my hitting coach myself in this situation. I mean... Didn't they go through 2 or 3 weeks with-out a multi-hit inning?

this was fantastic btw.....great work!!

Dan Wilson being named interim mgr is similar to when Jeff Saturday was named interim head coach of the Indianapolis Colts a few years back.

until the ownership changes.......nothing will change. Get ready for another year of the same crap next season.

They're not going to fire that profit margin. It's not a team it's an investment.

This is a horrible take on Jerry Dipoto... The problem is our ownership, plain and simple... You also have to consider how we got here... In 2020, we were running out prospects in a shortened season, and as part of the rebuild all teams use the first year to find diamonds (Kyle Lewis, Ty France, etc.), gaining long-term cheap value, burn off old contracts (Strange-Gordon, Encarnacion, Bruce, etc.), and then starting to determine what holes needed to be filled... As bad as our offense was at the time, we had Lewis winning ROY, Julio a year away from when he was ROY, and Kelenic on his heels... We looked like we might have the best young outfields in baseball with Trammell as the 4th OF, White and Crawford just won GG, we had a past GG 3B in Seager, all we needed in the next year was a second baseman, a catcher, and a ton of pitching... Our best reliever was Anthony Misiewicz (3.04 FIP), Casey Sadler (3.29 FIP), and Taylor Williams (3.56 FIP), yet the only reliever with more than 10 IP and an ERA below 4.00 was Yohan Ramirez with a 2.61 ERA, 20.2 IP, 9 H, 20 BB, 26 SO and a 6.05 FIP. Our ace was Marco Gonzales, followed by two more lefties Justus Sheffield and YUsei Kikuchi... Our rotation was a bunch of soft tossing lefties (also had Margevicius), and two average righties who have dealt with a ton of injuries (Dunn and Walker). He had to feel better about the offense going forward than the pitching. In 2021, Seager took a small step back, and then decided to hang them up after the season. Crawford took a step forward, France was useful, Fraley flashed some potential, and Haniger returned to form in a big way, while White and Lewis were the victim of the injury bug. This was our first great bullpen, while not perfect Sewald emerged as a top closer option by the end of the season, Sadler and Graveman became elite setup guys, Steckenrider, Chargois, Swanson, and Castillo were useful mid- to high-leverage arms, while Misiewicz and Hector Santiago became useful lefties in the pen. Again our rotation was mid with Gilbert (3.73 FIP) broke out and became our best starter in his rookie season, while our rotation filled out behind him with Chris Flexen, Tyler Anderson, Yusei Kikuchi, and Marco Gonzales. Sheffield (6.83 ERA, 5.66 FIP) was our #6 and almost completely pitched his way out of the league by the end of the season. Needless to say, we had improved, but the main focus needed to be on improving the rotation with some top options, as well as filling in some of the bigger holes on the team... Raleigh was seen as a long-term solution, while Murphy was brought back to pair with him and stabilize the position. It also appeared that 1B was set with a young Ty France, J.P. Crawford was cheap, good defensively, and now a league average bat, but we were going to need to replace Seager's power, second base was still a blackhole, Kelenic was seen as a potential breakout, Lewis was due to be healthy, and Julio would be making his debut, allowing Haniger and Lewis to rotate in RF and DH, so they could avoid too much wear-and-tear on their bodies. In 2022, we returned to the postseason, as Robbie Ray stabilized the rotation, we got a breakout performance from Kirby, GIlbert took another big step forward, while Gonzales and Flexen were serviceable as our fourth and fifth starters, until Castillo was acquired, so we then had two potential aces, two young studs, and Gonzales/Flexen as our 5th and 6th starters. Our rotation finally looked very competitive, our bullpen was great, as we added Munoz, Brash, Murfee, and Festa to compliment Sewald, Swanson, and Castillo, though Sadler was lost to injuries and other trusted relievers began to regress. Despite an already loaded bullpen complimenting our great starters, it was our surprising offense that was more than expected. Volatility is a typical problem when dealing with young players and rebuild... Crawford and France were as expected, repeating their 2021 performances, however Rodriguez arrived early and was a star in CF along with Raleigh breaking out as a top flight catcher, Haniger and Murphy dealt with injuries but were still productive players when available, and then Suarez and Moore returned to being very productive players. There were disappointments though, as Santana, Winker, and Frazier all had some of their worst seasons in the MLB, combined with the stunted growth of Kelenic and Trammell, while Lewis basically started his slow disappearance into retirement with another injury riddled season. Upton was acquired as a flyer and besides his walk-off homerun and his influence as a veteran player, he was very underwhelming. Entering 2023, we had an awesome rotation of Robbie Ray, George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, and Luis Castillo with Marco Gonzales starting the season as our #5 starter... Ray was injured in his 1st start of the season and following Flexen becoming absolutely unplayable as our #5 starter, just four starts into everyone being moved up a spot in the rotation, we were forced to promote Bryce Miller, and then shortly after that Marco was injured and we needed a new #5 starter, which led to Woo being promoted around mid-season. The acquisitions of Topa, Speier, Gott, Thornton, Saucedo, and Bazardo were excellent, Campbell and Adcock were useful rookies, and Brash became one of the best relievers in the game, while Sewald and Munoz held down the 8th and 9th innings. Our offense last year was all above-average contributors except for Kolten Wong, who was so bad it undermined an offense that included young two-way stars in Julio Rodriguez, Cal Raleigh, and J.P. Crawford. Teoscar (108 OPS+) and Kelenic (111 OPS+), were good corner outfield options, France and Suarez were league average bats, and Mike Ford (124 OPS+) was a good DH for 83 games. Our bench also had above-average performers in Dylan Moore, Tom Murphy, Josh Rojas, Sam Haggerty, and Cade Marlowe. Once we dumped Wong, we were above-average offensively from #1-13, and had we not carried Wong's 35 OPS+ for nearly half the season, we would've made the playoffs again, as he literally cost us the two or three games that get us in the playoffs.

love what you said mostly anyway........but don't bring up Guerrero. The Blue Jays have decided to build their team around him. He was NOT ....absolutely NOT going to deal him. Do you think Julio could be pried away from the M's? Of course not.

Until the M's get new ownership, nothing is going to change.

We suck

The owners have already shown, repeatedly, it isn’t about winning for them. We all should understand that by now. So, go to games and enjoy the evening out and don’t wreck your outing by complaining about the team or the hydro races or the price of beer. I wish I could choose that route but for the past two years I’ve been determined to not give ownership any of my money. No Comcast/Root. I’ll go to games if someone gives me a ticket but that’s it. With the team being such a predictable dumpster fire I find the 10 minute CZcams recaps plenty sufficient to get the picture. Plus, I find the Seattle Times comment section to be more entertaining than the actual games!

Time to reset just like Mike Macdonald took over the Seahawks you need new blood with a smarter mindset thank you for your Servais, and thank you Dipoto but you need to go. Now you need to change it up bring in Griffey and Ichiro as hitting coaches. Manager I don't know I don't trust this Ownership making those hires because they're fucking idiots no baseball knowledge period. This team needs a miracle even for a team office rebuild. Ownership sucks I wish we could get Bezos to buy the team. Pay off Stanton and his idiot ownership to get paid out. Stanton is milking this franchise. Pitching doesnt win ballgames you need to fucking hit.

You are making a contradictory argument that is incompatible with your later statements my friend. At the beginning you indicated the season was over on July 25th yet at around the ten minute mark you bash the front office for not selling the farm at the trade deadline to improve the team. The trade deadline was July 30th. No general manager in their right mind would sell the farm at the trade deadline on July 30th if they believed as you stated the season was over on July 25th! I won't critique your lack of understanding of a farm system but would point you to teams that have won World series and how home grown talent was typically the biggest reason. Bottom line if you trade prospects you are going to be getting players right around 30 with 1 to 2 years of team control left. Very rarely does a Juan Soto become available. Even if Vladimir was available the front office would not have traded for him due to the high cost of his final arbitration year. Lastly I would point out the team did attempt to give the impression it was trying to win at this trade deadline with the players it acquired. However, I do agree with you that the season was already over. The best course of action at the trade deadline given that season was already over would have been to do nothing or sell off assets for prospects.

Who was ready to bring up? They're all atleast 2 years from being ready! If you "sell them all" your not filling all those positions you say they need... to get anyone good its going to take multiple prospects and you only have so many...so then you will have to trade from your starting rotation and then your back to square one! Also if you get rid of dipoto the entire staff goes and there goes the pitching and development...this is a more nuanced thing than you think it is. Also nobody got vlad or anyone else that was speculated to go so they did what they could. Do i think it was enough? No, but this issue goes back to that offseason when they couldve signed a premiere shortstop and all the other talent that was available and they ended up bargain bin shopping to get lastella and the other ones that failed..stanton was the issue then and still is. Pay for quality get quality. Need a better budget period.

Man, you really broke this down without any mercy. And I’m glad you did. I agree 100% with everything you said.

The M's first and foremost want to compete in their own division. While payroll is not everything, only Oakland has a smaller payroll in the division, and the Astro's is more than $100 million more. Would be nice to have a more competitive payroll. Any new GM we bring in will be just as handcuffed by this ownership, and the lousy hitters park that is T-Mobile, where the team is dead last in the league in average hits per game and has a bunch more hits and runs scored on the road. Every proven MLB talent that Jerry brings in seems to fall off a cliff at T-Mobile and any new GM will also have to try to account for T-Mobile. I mean what proven talent would you feel comfortable enough to empty the farm for and hope that they also don't fall off a cliff at T-Mobile?

Yeah, I think ownership has answered this question beyond all doubt already. 🐂💩👎

A Boiler Room quote? Take my subscription, sir. Now pick up your skirt, grab your balls, and let's talk some Mariners.

You don’t trade prospects to try and save your season you trade prospects for players who add to an already strong team. I think it would’ve been foolish to add Vlad to this roster because he’s not gonna fix these other guys hitting woes

The Mariners as an organization don't want to win. Ownership simply wants to put asses in seats and they know an 85-90 win team will do that every year in Seattle. I expect more of the same this offseason.

This offense mmmmmm Dipotto bring a strike out machine. Hes not very good in offense its a lot players there can hit. The ones we have needs a rocket vall to hit. Let's clean out the house sooner pasable. Bring the kids from AAA. release dump HENEGER GERVER POLANCO RALly CANZONE FRANCE its gone exelent. INCLUIDING SCOTT SERVAIS THIS OFFSEASON LETS ASK LUIS CASTILLO IF HE ACEPT TO TRADE.

Lol. I became a Mariner fan 21 years ago. I'm now 54, and I share your wish. Just give me one Mariner world series championship, and I'll be happy! But yeah, I can't be done with Jerry and this ownership.

Absolutely not on Jerry. Jerry is not the problem. He has drafted well. He has GRABBED good talent. He tried trading for stars this year but No one better than Randy got moved maybe except Issac, but he benefits from the indoor stadium. So bashing Jerry for that is ignorance. The offense is on the players. Maybe its the morale? Then its on Scott, not Jerry. How do we blame Jerry? Who we going to get instead? A Suit wearing Yes Man? Live in reality dude.

The offseason? Contention window is closing now. There is nothing serious about ownership and the front office is not smart enough to make use of the tiny budget.

It's funny to me that anyone thinks this ownership group could get anyone better than Dipoto to run this organization, lol. Do you really trust them to hire a competent GM? Do you think a competent GM would even accept a job here? Get real. You're better off sticking with Dipoto, firing Scott, and hope this pitiful ownership group sells in the next few years.

They want to turn maximum profit.

thats Church....

I’m over it, man. Mariners suck. Always will suck. They aren’t going to change this off-season. They won’t spend, they will trade for more c-level guys like Wong/Polanco. I’m so sick of it. They SHOULD be ballsy. Sign Soto, trade for Bichette and Josh Naylor. Slide JP over to 2B. Make some big freaking moves!

I dont know if I agree with this take on dropping Dipoto. The dude has built up an elite farm system two different times. While I would agree that he could trade from that base a bit more, I dont find the issues with the Mariners as a Jerry thing. I think he is held back by poor manager, and even worse ownership. I would blame Jerry more if this issue of pitching is always 100 percent better than the offense. Stanton is the guy that I believe stalled out this season when he didnt give the budget that Dipoto thought he was going to have. We cant control the trade deadline and we got arguably one of the best bats at the deadline. This i believe is a Stanton and Co. issue with a manager who I dont believe inspires much competition or accountability of the players. I see way too many slopy plays to be able to support him.

Agree 100%. The GM candidate I was hoping for when we signed Dipoto is available and worked well with a cheapskate owner. Go get Kim Ng and go from there. We will never win with the current FO.

“Ancient bones” damn breh

Bad coaching gets censored by Blazers reporters, because the team stinks. The Mariners have the best starting 5 in team history, and the broadcast booth runs the same narrative. A new coach wouldn't help the team ??

"Ride the 1 or 2 hot guys"... that's the issue all year. Each player on the roster has had a hot few weeks here and there but not consistently and not enough at the same time. Dylan Moore was great in May. Polanco has been good July/August. Cal has been the most consistent producer, which is kind of sad considering he is hitting .220 but it's been timely hitting and won us some game. Rojas started off super hot. Raley has had a few series here and there where he has mashed it. Even Hannigar had a few promising weeks but they just can't keep it consistent and keep it together. The only one who has really had no streak of any kind at all is Garver. In August, they have just been horrible in general. .201 team average... pathetic.

Good points made, yet the bullpen has been throwing "batting practice" the past two months. No depth...

Just think on june 17th Astros was 9 games back. And now look wtf Scott

Serv just signed an extension a month ago and NEVER will be fired. Even if he accidentally sets fire to Stanton's mansion. He's a company man. Imagine this: 8 yrs/ since 2016, Dip and Serv came up together because they are BESTIES. Dip barks orders, Serv jumps and pants and wags his tail. ONE playoff appearance in 8 yrs gets you fired. But NEVER Serv. That's reality.