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The whole fuckin house was engulfed before the got there except the the second floor, which was only mostly involved. That was a lost home before arriving.

We are in Central Pennsylvania

Nobody would disagree that it would have been nice to have ladders up earlier for both egress and ventilation. Unfortunately, with the limited resources available until mutual aid arrived, we needed to prioritize tasks. Aggressive search and water on the fire were attainable goals with the resources on scene within the first 10 minutes. The nozzle teams were able to take windows on both floors as fire was knocked down, more so the rear windows because that was where the fire load was. Appreciate the watch!

Appreciate the watch. A 360 was done before the video starts. You are absolutely correct that we needed more manpower. This is an unfortunate reality for most rural areas. Regardless of the manpower available, the same tasks need to be accomplished. Despite these challenges, both duplexes were searched and the bulk of the fire was knocked down within the first 15 minutes with no injuries to occupants or our members. You have to play with the hand you are dealt.

@@citizenshosecompany Absolutely agree. This was intended to be more observational vs critical. Stay safe

This is obviously a volunteer department struggling with manpower in the middle of the day. This is not your typical city chief who sits at his office all day in a button up uniform. These are people responding from their jobs or from home at a moments notice. This guy runs a department that obviously knows how to work a fire.

Very unprofessional comment.

We have paid EMS out of our department. She was the paramedic on shift

rUN UP TO OFFICER TO HAND HIM A HALLIGAN APPARENTLY

Medic ?

@@citizenshosecompany the only good thing in this video was her understand the rural understaffed but you should have a second radio so you can deal with fire ground coms and dispatch coms instead of having to switch as it seemed you missed alot that way

Says hose company, I think that's all they got.

We run 2 engines and a heavy rescue, so we rely on mutual aid for a truck. Unfortunately, this is usually 10 to 15 minutes behind. Truck work is mostly a state of mind, so we are able to split crews and handle it.

Yes, you are… FOR THEM

@@MichaelMiller-xu2is Huh? “For them?”

During VES or VEIS, taking a line slows down advancement. A water can could've been taken and set at the entry point, but it's get in and get out for life safety. A charged line should've been pushed interior while VES was being carried out. Aside from a slow start, the effort was made. Glad no one was inside.

Wouldn’t breaking out the bottom provide half the air flow…. Because of that whole flow path thing?

That was an Engine Company my man

@@citizenshosecompany Oh😳😂 Well yall did a great job. Keep being great💪🏾💪🏾

Any vapor (gas, wood, plastics, atmosphere, heated water from fire hose) will rapidly fill the interior space after the first room reaches flash temp. You can't add any pressure in the direction of the victim during search.

@@ForestNinjaZero Due to the architecture, things are very different in the UK. External walls are solid and hollow internal walls do not extend between floors or into the roofspace. Both during any rescue and an interior attack, high pressure jets are used to deal with fire emerging from windows. Water is mainly used to prevent fir from entering the loft via any overhangs. Then bounced off ceilings to extinguish the fire below. The water vapor and hot gasses exit through the window where the water enters. Water is never pumped in horizontally for all the reasons that you mentioned. Almost all domestic fires are confined to one room and flashover is extremely rare. Back in the 1960's, a restaurant in London was was attended after closure due to a smell of smoke outside. 2 firefighters entered, but their was no apparent fire. The kitchens were in the basement and a commercial non thermostatic fryer had been left on. As the basement door was opened and air entered. the whole lot flashed, blowing out every window in the building. People reported object being propelled to the opposite side of the road. Sadly, the objects were the 2 firefighters and neither of them survived. It made headline news all over the UK for weeks and our queen offered her condolences. to the London fire brigade and the victims families. It is still considered to be one of the worst single domestic incidents since WW2. Needless to say, Grenfell tower was a great tragedy and was a national disgrace due to blatant disregard of building regulations. the report exceeded 1,000 pages.

@@wilsjane I understand the methods, we call that process V.E.S. in the U.S, but you can't ignore the mass ratio of furnishings and wall/frame materials to internal area. When anything is burning, the interior space pressurizes, even after windows have burned (or have been smashed by firefighters for ventilation). Any attempt to extinguish, while firefighters are unaware of the victim's position/condition involves risk of acceleration within the victim's breathable space. For this reason, firefighters will search for cool paths and rapidly search safe areas, prior to application of water, then return for line setup.

@@ForestNinjaZero It clearly shows the fire mass difference between us and the US. Apart from the lower spread, our internal wall boards are gypsum which breaks down to water during the first 30 minutes. Furnishings sold during the last 4 decades are required to be fire retardant, so in towns and cities the fire is knocked down within minutes. The guy outside is both experienced and trained, he is never a rookie. He also has DIRECT radio contact with any rescue crew, so he would stop the moment any hot gasses were reported. Another difference is that every crew member has a specific task before arrival, so no one is waiting for orders. The second arriving truck normally deals with hydrant connections. Needless to say commercial and industrial fires are very different. One of the biggest worries is in seaside areas with the sprawling Victorian hotels. Since their business is seasonal, they are often in a bad state of repair.

@@wilsjane Another major problem in the U.S. is inability to educate migrant populations in high-density residential zones around major cities. Spaces will tend to reach flash temp before arrival of firefighters, and even retardant materials will vaporize instantly after rolling vapor reaches those temperatures (in some cases more energetically and generate extremely poisonous vapor). High-rise and multi-family structures are designed to contain/vent toward the exterior, but it's difficult to predict behavior (arson, open doors, hoarding conditions, failure/refusal to notify fire officials, etc). Full flash tends to occur regardless, but they still need to search first!

Exactly! The bubble frame architecture mixed with metal roofs make for a fire hotter than anything you could ever imagine 😅

It’s not standard nor common to put sprinklers in a single family residence unless it’s an apartment building or some kind of mass housing

​@@rdpmedia4606it's required on new construction where I live, but older homes including the one I live in do not usually have sprinkles

@@rdpmedia4606 STANDARDS IS NOTHING BUT A WORD IF ITS YOUR HOME YOU DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE SAFETY N SECURITY OF YOUR HOME DO NOT WAIT FOR A REGULATION USE YOUR BRAIN AND APPLY

What about firefighters trying to walk on it after if gets wet? I have wanted a tin roof but I never considered what risks it might pose.

As long as you use a TIC and sound the floor, it's a viable tactic. Risk a lot to save a lot. A fully charged line is better off being used on the fire underneath them. VES is a quick and dirty search, you're not hanging out in the room.

We do too. This is a VFD. More help is a ways out. If there is a person in the structure, what would you do? VFD's in the US outnumber career depts 3 to 1. My city responds 4 engines, 2 trucks, 1 EMS, 2 BC on any structure fire report. It is a different world.

Says the continent that had the London Tower fire with inadequate equipment and safety regulations.

@@joshuahill5271 Safety regulations were adequate. The equipment that responded was adequate.

Tbf our firefighting techniques and equipment are much different than everyone else's. But our will power to protect the people in imminent danger is truly our drive. US firefighters like myself admittedly are behind in terms of research or illnesses. But who isn't?

@@Sewbuwu don’t get me wrong, I’m not slating the dedication. That is always to be admired. The apparent focus on tradition rather than development though is bonkers, and the lack of safety.

@CymruEmergencyResponder oh yeah without a doubt we favor tradition over anything. Improvements have been provided to us but fire fighters are too hard headed. That's how it is 🤷‍♂️