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2019 07 12 NSFRI Homer Iliad Book 11 Autos, cont'd: Wherever Excellence is, Self Must Be There
2019-07-12 NSFRI - Homer - Iliad (Book 11) - Autos, cont'd: Wherever Excellence is, Self Must Be There
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### Synopsis
We continue on our search for the Autos in Homer's Iliad, trying to understand
their use. Tonight is Book 11. As before, we are guided by Barbara's great
work identifying and listing these (see Study Materials section, below). David
also brings a categorized list in, and Pierre puts it on the board, and we use
it. (See chart 1 as a JPEG in the Download Options menu.)
The Fitzgerald translation can be found online as a PDF but generally, it is
just easier to buy the book. Our own Juan and Maria Balboa are working on
[their translation of the Iliad](archive.org/details/iliad-balboa),
but as yet had not completed 11 chapters, so we used the Fitzgerald tonight.
### Study Materials
* We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad.
* **Barbara's Auto's Document:** Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format [here](/details/stecker-iliad-autos). Thank you, Barbara.
* Pierre's charts from this evening are posted as `JPEGs` in the `Download Options` menu.
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* [The Noetic Society](noeticsociety.org/)
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  • @jmsvn
    @jmsvn Před 8 dny

    48:24

  • @desfurria6232
    @desfurria6232 Před 9 dny

    They laugh because it was funny, and HE laughed too because it was funny, why are these comment sections always so stupid, they act as if this is no place to have emotions, feeling or thoughts. If you want a place for not questions Go to a church, they will be happy to shut you up! I want to hear all sides not just the ones others find sacred and must be in silence. A pathologos blocks you, you can hear it in the questions, and he is taking them apart. Pierre has a charm and understanding.

  • @merikaramocan6774
    @merikaramocan6774 Před 12 dny

    1:11:00 Plato is better than the Buddhist contemplation of nothing.

  • @jeffwells9431
    @jeffwells9431 Před 20 dny

    So if Q was written by these Greek like thinkers. Why then use and tie the Jesus story into the Jewish tradition?

  • @CGMaat
    @CGMaat Před 23 dny

    “I am the offspring of DIVid - : GOLDEN RATIO ! Only by conjugation : this to that we round off to the more perfect -broken but whole aspects of the ALL !

  • @CGMaat
    @CGMaat Před 24 dny

    EXCELENTE

  • @fogpimp
    @fogpimp Před 27 dny

    Rest in peace Dr. Grimes.

  • @user-we2qv1cx6x
    @user-we2qv1cx6x Před 28 dny

    Excellent content. Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @danieljohnston6881
    @danieljohnston6881 Před měsícem

  • @danieljohnston6881
    @danieljohnston6881 Před měsícem

    Wow! Brilliant mind!

  • @user-fw6gc8ls9w
    @user-fw6gc8ls9w Před měsícem

    53:03 56:53 Pseudo Dionysius & Christian Metaphysics Aquinas quotes PD 1700 times

  • @user-fw6gc8ls9w
    @user-fw6gc8ls9w Před měsícem

    22:00 definition of number

  • @stevennurahmed5105
    @stevennurahmed5105 Před měsícem

    There is a big problem for Dr. Fatoohi. Zionists have used the narration of Abraham in the Torah to justify a supremacist ordination over all others for their ethnic group. However, there is not one shred of material archeological evidence that proves that Abraham ever lived. In short, it is not a falsifiable narration. Christians picked up the Abrahamic narration and in the U.S., it gave birth to white Christian nationalism which is a splinter of the belief in White Supremacist ideology. Net result: 186,000 murdered Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) justified by Israelis who believe that Palestinian land is theirs by Divine Right. I think that the narration of Abraham is a parable that teaches that there is a higher authority (Allah) over creation and that we live better lives individually and collectively when we submit to Allah. It is not a historical event.

  • @tonicastel2390
    @tonicastel2390 Před měsícem

    Brilliant!

  • @fogpimp
    @fogpimp Před měsícem

    Excellent discussion

  • @desfurria6232
    @desfurria6232 Před měsícem

    So if taking up these symbols right, it creates a dynamic memory system that self references in a way that condenses into a way of viewing, things simply, by One and many, and speeds up the memory by letting you know one, you know the other and the others other. Neat, going to take a hot minute to get it down.

  • @sbenkimmie9579
    @sbenkimmie9579 Před měsícem

    many가 one의 길을 걷는 제대로된 인간들을 가르치려는/컨트롤하려는 현대사회 individuation이 인류어젠다되는게 가능? (아니면 뭐 지금처럼 insect farm?) 신유물은 individuation한 인간들에서 나온다. 경제학자들 new resource management strategy 연구하길.

  • @brentarmstrong207
    @brentarmstrong207 Před měsícem

    It would be nice to have a link to the article they're referencing in the video.

  • @frederickanderson1860
    @frederickanderson1860 Před 2 měsíci

    46:22 like having attraction to another person,we just say " something about her or him" we can't explain why or how.l think the protoevangelismof genesis is about the seed some translations use the word it,not her or him. I think the hoky spirit is neutral not femine like wisdom.

  • @rouslanrouslan2677
    @rouslanrouslan2677 Před 2 měsíci

    Love the cat meowing towards the end of the Q&A session.

  • @user-we2qv1cx6x
    @user-we2qv1cx6x Před 2 měsíci

    Phenomenal lecture. Pierre is by far my favorite Professor. It’s such a gift to have access to these lectures. Along with my collection of Loebs, Ancient Greek and Latin I couldn’t ask for more. I am set for life!

  • @user-we2qv1cx6x
    @user-we2qv1cx6x Před 2 měsíci

    Very thought provoking. Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @user-we2qv1cx6x
    @user-we2qv1cx6x Před 2 měsíci

    This was immensely helpful. Pierre’ lectures along with my Loebs, Armstrong translation I am set. Homer to Proclus is my focus. I find these lectures fascinating

  • @synisterfish
    @synisterfish Před 2 měsíci

    Go well into that dark night, Dr Grimes. I thank you for this incredible body of work.

  • @noke8678
    @noke8678 Před 2 měsíci

    What a beautiful talk! Pierre will be missed by so many, thankfully we have these videos as a way to learn and relearn all that he shared. 🙏

  • @jupitersstring2823
    @jupitersstring2823 Před 2 měsíci

    🙏

  • @user-we2qv1cx6x
    @user-we2qv1cx6x Před 2 měsíci

    Fantastic. Utterly brilliant. Between Armstrong’s translation and the Gerson editon I am thoroughly enjoying Plotinus. I like Plato a bit better, but both are so fun to read and very profound. Beats cable television!

  • @scoon2117
    @scoon2117 Před 2 měsíci

    Since i was a child, all that christianity taught me was to leave my brain at my feet.

  • @jacobbritton7359
    @jacobbritton7359 Před 2 měsíci

    I can't believe Dr. Grimes is really gone... May he dwell in the Divine Intellect forever.

  • @NAB9717
    @NAB9717 Před 3 měsíci

    Just recieved this link. "Making the unknown known. Making the known more accessible. The difference between psychology and philosophy splendid conclusions. Self ignorance and all.

  • @fancynancylucille
    @fancynancylucille Před 3 měsíci

    Wow, he got pretty irritable when he considered the possibility of “tangents”. Male thinking is “logos”, which categorizes, or basically puts things into boxes. Female “eros” thinking sees connections between things, which is a wonderful ability to have. I am guessing he has had some problems with Eros thinkers. I say, find the Golden Mean between limiting focus and entertaining possibilities.

  • @user-fw6gc8ls9w
    @user-fw6gc8ls9w Před 3 měsíci

    17:24 systematic model assertions

  • @Passionignited
    @Passionignited Před 3 měsíci

    I’m glad you went on from bliss to the unreachable 🤟 great lesson! I could only appreciate it after many years of not getting anything

  • @ShakuShingan
    @ShakuShingan Před 3 měsíci

    Read Symposium 20-100 times... I need to bookmark this important statement.

  • @michealwalli7324
    @michealwalli7324 Před 3 měsíci

    That lady is a trooper, she's always debating the won't ideas

  • @roxynoz8245
    @roxynoz8245 Před 3 měsíci

    Perhaps the most important of videos. This adressess how Theology is presented to the human mind, and hence, its first princples.

  • @S3RAVA3LM
    @S3RAVA3LM Před 3 měsíci

    Absolutely. Identifying with anything, i.e. name and form, is lower level or ignorant. Thing is with Platonism, it's all about recollection, of the emanation, which is beyond name and form, thus liberation at it's core - Wisdom. But still, I haven't finished this lecture yet.... however, when it comes to the bible, there is an authority: Bill Donahue - God sent. The politics concerning the Bible is a waste of time. At the core is science and metaphysics. Bill Donahue! Nobody can do it like Bill had! All other lectures are a waste of time. The Bible, reconcocted wisdom teachings from time immemorial. There was no Mathew, mark, Luke, John - these are western names. These are really aspects of ourselves and the cyclical nature of all phenomena and psychology. It's sad what people have done with the Bible, because if the spirit were in them, great shame would come over them.

  • @EnergyTRE
    @EnergyTRE Před 3 měsíci

    🙏🏼♾️

  • @user-fw6gc8ls9w
    @user-fw6gc8ls9w Před 4 měsíci

    12:34 what follows if the one is/exists

  • @sofiachormanskii7778
    @sofiachormanskii7778 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you for sharing wonderful, precious knowledge that All should attempt to seek and live by❤

  • @Joeonline26
    @Joeonline26 Před 4 měsíci

    It should be the other way around. Why thinking pagan neoplatonists should become Christian neoplatonists (Pseudo-Dionysius etc.)

  • @ScottofOakland
    @ScottofOakland Před 4 měsíci

    Autos in Greek does mean "self" based on the context, but it also is just the greek pronouns. "He, She, It, They, himself, herself, themselves etc" So I'm not convinced that the translation of using "Self" anytime "Autos" is used, is accurate. I'd love to be proven wrong by someone fluent in Ancient Greek.

  • @MarcoSilesio
    @MarcoSilesio Před 4 měsíci

    great man

  • @ScottofOakland
    @ScottofOakland Před 4 měsíci

    I would love to know which translation Pierre is reading from. Anyone?

  • @realistblue-_-136
    @realistblue-_-136 Před 4 měsíci

    This is not a dialogue btw more like a monologue with some in between with the prosecutions meletus anytus

  • @EnergyTRE
    @EnergyTRE Před 4 měsíci

    That's because they ignore Metaphysics foolishly too

  • @howiewhitehouse1202
    @howiewhitehouse1202 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank You Pierre --Question for you ---Did you get to know Mike Arons from West Georgia Humanistic Psych Program ?

  • @EnergyTRE
    @EnergyTRE Před 4 měsíci

    "for all of good". not good of all. all implying evil as well.

  • @EnergyTRE
    @EnergyTRE Před 4 měsíci

    the one is "incommensurable" as is the Æther and our none sentient creator 🙏🏼♾️ they are one in the same. just as ice, water and steam are the same thing. how can i die if i never lived.

  • @user-we2qv1cx6x
    @user-we2qv1cx6x Před 4 měsíci

    Excellent. Very helpful for my studies. Thank you 🙏🏼