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I'd keep the same attack as Halbs but reduce their speed such that trying to micro them becomes pointless.

All spear units should have one rage. Eagles would be so fun to ambush and swarm units.

love this ❤

This is great

I always disliked the fact that ensemble studios games always had spear users gain no reach advantage over axe or sword or any other melee weapon I took it upon myself to get this done at first I gave the spear line 1 range it looked ridiculous their weapons are simply too short man , so I reduced it to 0.5 Honestly I think of it more as a visual thing it looks nice does it effect gameplay? Not too much with 0.5 range they look good and just does a bit better against everything I think if we gonna implement this it would be universal be kinda silly if only one civ had longer reaching spears/pikes if its not a unique unit.

a kind of regional unit for central european civs like a landsknecht as halberdier replacement with this range ability could be nice

+1 Range but only against militia

If the Swiss civilization comes to the game, you can be sure that they will have the strongest pikemen in the game due to the range of their spears. A likely bonus for this civilization would be the sharing of Swiss pikemen with any ally since they served as mercenaries in foreign armies.

Two possible civilizations to receive this bonus of reach would be Spain with historical records of Spanish thirds with long spears of 4 to 6 meters similar to the Macedonian sarrises. And the one that became most famous at the end of the Middle Ages is of course Switzerland with its pikemen of the same style as the Macedonian sarrises defeating the French/Burgundian cavalry in historical records.

I think this could be part of a regional rework of the Halberdiers. Halbs don't make any sense as a followup to Pikes. They aren't the same weaponry class. Here some better suited weapons: Glaive Yari Partisan Bill

I did mod it some time ago, also reduced the damage and hidden bonus by 50% to compensate, found it funny they could attack through walls. did not think about the kite against champions, would need to revisit it

Really pulling out the thesaurus for the benefit of your p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pikemen

Many heartiest congratulations for hitting 1K subs admiral! I am proud to be one of them❤ You'll go a long way Admiral, keep up the good work 🎉🎉

What if pikemen only dealt their full damage at range, and dealt less at close range…

New unique unit swiss pike man?

The question is do smaller farms yield the same amount of food? 🤔

I think this is a great idea even for generic pics. It should be used to increase the value of infantry. Cavs would be weaker to pikemen, infantry strong against pikes, and cavs strong against archers.

It should apply to all spear line units and be balanced simply by reducing the base damage of pikes by 1 and halbs by 2, and by giving less bonus damage against horsies. The spear is the king of all weapons after all.

I was actually thinking about this the other day as a possible civ bonus / UT. Interesting idea.

We have Winged Hussar, Imperial skirmisher. So why not a special infantry unit upgrade with unique skin/ability. Especially if there’s historic significance!

the thing that annoys me and that should be expanded on is the fact that halberdiers were meant to be anti-infantry formations and were specifically made for countering armour.

Imagine the pike and halberd line gets split up and different civs could get bonuses to the other.

It's always annoyed me that "Pikemen" are not carrying pikes.

*Champion dying to literal pikemen* "Please stop bullying me..."

They have already had +1 range in a mod. It was taken away when the civ went live.

This would be a nice civ bonus for italians since they don't get halbs and historically were famous for using pikemen.

Every civ should have ranged pike. It's silly they don't.

In other words: what if Pikemen were actual Pikemen instead of Glavemen?

Nah, reduce their bonus damage and increase base damage to balance. Then switch them to the slot of the militia line as the primary infantry since they are the most popular choice regardless of whether cavalry gets deployed. Kamayuk is a perfectly fine example of how the Pikemen line should be improved. Halberdier can be separated and reworked into a premium infantry unit that is only available in Imp, replacing the position of Champion while also balancing the militia line into arrow sponge

Yeah, incas having the range made no sense. They should have an unique unit that is some type of an anti-archer infantry like goths, but with a twist.

bro just magically created the swiss civ

This improves all infantry civs but inca unique units lost unique ablity

Calling 'historically normal ranged pikemen' derivative of the kamayucky is such a disgrace! It's probable there were way more pikemen used than kamayuks using anything as long as pikes!

I just have one comment about the examples shown. You have chose both Halbadier and Pikeman for example purposes, but to me, it is somewhat confusing since Halbadier has better stats than Pikeman. For example, the clip shown that Halbadier wins against Skirms without range, then you show pike with range and lost, that doesnt conclude if Halbs win or lose if it has extra range.

This is what flemish revoultion should be.

isnt this basically kamayuk?

Indeed there should be a distinction between Pikemen (+1 range and available to ALL civs (anyone can figure out how to make a sharp very long stick)) and Halberdier (a smidge bit more tanky). That simply adding that +1 range doesn't help them in unmanaged fights against swordsmen, and makes them worse against Javelins, already balances them out by making the act of countering them a non-issue.

I wish Spears in Bannerlord were as useful as they are in AoE2. They're supposed to counter Cavalry, but because mounted units are so fast they always manage to get in so close to where the Spearman can't actually hit the enemy engaging them and they just get chamber blocked all day because the AI can't short thrust.

It better come as an imperial upgrade replacing halberdier, so that devs can give it an unique skin. Castle UT usually doesn't change unit graphics.

1k subs LETS GO!!! Swiss civ needed for this. We've taken liberties with what counts as empires before with the sicilians, burgundians, bohemians so might as well go Swiss. Could split Italy up into Genoa, Venice and Papal states too. With Sicilians representing south Italy

In scenario editors theirs heavy pike men, maybe giving them range would be cool but

This video is wanting me to head into the scenario editor and play with these guys, I love this idea, and now I want the Swiss in so we can have an official version of these guys,

You could also male so that the spear line gains 0,5 range per attack upgrade, it would make feudal spears a little bit better while giving an extra buff in imperial. It also makes it easier for balancing by removing blast furnace if the civ proves to be OP

I actually think this could be balanced as a civ bonus if you didn't give them halbardiers. Besides, if you look at how spearmen, pikemen and halbs wield their weapons the spears and pikes appear to hold it more upright than the halbardiers.

been wondering how this would pan out for literal years. Thank you! would be great to see a regional +1 range to pikemen + upgrades into heavyPikeMan instead of Halb for greater cost. This is great theory-fodder for future content and expansions.

I have been dreaming about +1 range for the entire spear line as (part of) a unique tech for a civilisation (an infantry and gunpowder one at that) for a long time - problem is, I don't know which would be a good candidate!

Swiss civ bonus

Oh man, I remember Age of Chivalry: Hegemony had this for most factions that historically used pike formations, like Flanders, Swiss, Scotland, etc

The only civ that comes to mind for this would be replacing the pikemen and halberdier with the phalanx for Rome from a more historical context but that is a bit of a stretch as phalanx was more of an early Rome tactic From a balance stand point it would ideally be a civ that could use some help against infantry.

Is it possible to give a unit a Half-tile range in the editor instead of a full 1 tile range? Being able to hit over walls seems way too strong for pikes but simply being able to always get the first hit because range seems legit.