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Nobody knows. Rhaegar was a mistery himself. Was he good or was he bad? Nobody knows.

Lyanna was 16. The daughter of one of the most important houses of Westeros. Betrothed to the heir of another one of the most important houses. Rhaegar was married, and made her a concubine, insulting both the Stark and the Baratheon. It was not by chance that Brandon reacted already to the gift at Harrenhal, and king Aerys was clinically mad. What did they think would have happened?

On second thought, you are right. The war was the fault of Sir Arthur Dayne. HE HAD ONE JOB! TO WIN THAT FU****G TOURNMENT!

Wow, great observations...He listened to him because maybe Jon is not only his nephew but his prince.

You don't know how disappointed I was when he appeared in the show. I read so many times that he was super handsome, everything a prince should be and look and D&D gave us an average dude 😅😅

Maybe they all loved him.

I don't think so. He just was sweet talking to Sansa.

Lyanna: and that he had already two children. But Robert, who wasn't married yet, is scum, eh?

​@@cristinademartini6653Robert already had many Bastards children.

"Leaving my wife who belonged to an House who had been a pain in mine's ass for centuries and my kids and rightful heirs would have consequences???" XD

@@cristinademartini6653 making a concubine of the daughter of one of the most important houses of Westeros, already betrothed to the heir of another one of the most important houses, so insulting both, would have consequences?

@@neutronalchemist3241ladies and gentlemen, Rhaegar Targaryen, The Master Diplomacy and Alliances XD

@@cristinademartini6653 However we are all forgetting the role of Sir Arthur Dayne in starting the war. HE HAD ONE JOB! TO WIN THAT F*****G TOURNMENT!

@@neutronalchemist3241 or at least sir Barristan Selmy, who then would have crowned Lady Ashara Dayne queen of love and beauty, and none of that mess would have happened.

But *he wasn't married* to her still; and many lord used to have bastards at those times, didn't they? Rhaegar instead, was *legally married* to Elia Martell and had two legal heirs with her; and he abandoned them to their horrible fate, and he ruined the Martell-Targaryen alliance. So, who's the better one here? I'd say Robert a million folds.

@@cristinademartini1284 robert was legally betrothed to lyanna, the lawful heir to storms end, and despite that manwhored himself to any woman who glanced at him. Rhaegar however, though married to a martell, was only married to the martells because the martells are traditional blackfyre loyalists. As in they backed usurpers before. Rhaegar unlike robert was loved by the entire kingdom, and using your argument, because rhaegar was the lord of dragonstone, therefore using your argument, hes allowed to have bastards too.

@@evanf.4801 maybe i didn't express myself clear: if Rhaegar and Lyanna had an affair with bastards, that would be still fine by their standards; Rhaegar *publicily humilated* and *set aside* his legittimate wife and made their *children bastards*, which was a disohonor to House Martell. That's worse imho than a man who likes to lie with women *while* not being still married to Lyanna. And who knows if Robert wouldn't be faithful to her if they got married? and by the way, Lyanna blaming Robert while she went with an already married man, that's a little hypocrit, isn't it?

@@cristinademartini1284 he wasnt faithful to cersei once they got married, and I’m sure as a targaryen whos cousins, friends, uncles and aunts all died fighting the blackfyres (usurpers all) it probably rankled at him to have to marry a member of a family who supported the blackfyres, and rebelled against his dynasty’s rule countless times before. On paper, lords of the realm shouldn’t sleep around at all, this includes robert. There are some lords, like Rhaegar who didnt until him and lyanna fell in love. Why would lyanna want to marry a man who would likely not be faithful to her? Why would rhaegar want to be married to his blood enemy? It was a tradition of the targaryens to take multiple wives in old valyria, and some once in westeros did. It was only because of their adherence to the faith of the seven that they didnt. Robert literally got mad because for once, he wasnt mr. Steal your girl. How many women did he dishonor, husbands did he besmirch, marriages did robert ruin? And only got away with it because he was robert fucking baratheon. Its a little hypocritical to hate rhaegar for doing once in his entire life what robert and countless lords and heirs did on a daily basis.

@@evanf.4801 there's a little difference: Robert before the rebellion wasn't a king, Rhaegar was the crown prince, so he had more responsabilities than him towards his future vassals, didn't he? And abandoning your legittimate wife (who belonged to a House which had been a pain in his one's ass for centuries) for another girl who is the daughter of your vassals and the betrothed to another one isn't the best way to ensure their fealty to yourself, is it? Robert wasn't faithful to Cersei (not tha she was faithful to him neither; unlike Elia was said to be to her "noble husband")because he didn't love her and she didn't love him; still, he didn't ditch her for another lady and so they kept the reign united: when you are monarchs, you have duties to your kingdom. deal with it. If you don't want to, then you refuse the crown and the throne, like prince Duncan Targaryen did for Jeyne of old stones (which also caused an almost rebellion, by the way).

Lyanna ain't it either, at least not to start a rebellion for

"The evil usurper" who was threatened to have his head chopped off by the Mad King after the crown prince stole his betrothed and thus ruined his alliance to the Starks. Bugger off with "Robert the evil usurper" or that "his rebellion was built on a lie".

Except it's not. Yes, Rhaegar's actions alongside Lyana are the catalyst for the Rebellion but had Aerys not murdered the elder Starks for demanding consequences for those actions, the Rebellion would have remained a dispute between Robert and Rhaegar and perhaps a smaller conflict with Dorne as they would have demanded that honour be satisfied for the affair. The Rebellion itself thereafter is totally justified and not evil. Just because we now know that Lyana went willingly doesn't change what happens after that

Except that's very one-sided.

I hate rhaegar and even more who defends him.

Thank you!

and abandoned his children whom he had with her. Think of poor little Rhaenys who hid under Rhaegar's bed, because she was seeking her "father" 's protection from the Mountain.