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Why Are There No Computers in DUNE When Space Travel Exists ?
The Dune movie stands apart from other sci-fi films due to the absence of futuristic computer technology and A.I. Therefore one reason the dune universe might seem confusing partly stems from the inclusion of sophisticated technologies like space travel, protective shields, and spacecraft, contrasted with a complete absence of computers or screens. This discrepancy prompts the question of why, in a world otherwise rich in advanced technologies thats exists tens of thousands of years into the future, computers are nowhere to be found.
This deliberate exclusion of computers and artificial intelligence is thoroughly justified in the dune books however it’s not explained in the movie. The lack of computers in the dune universe ties directly to current real-world concerns about the rise of artificial intelligence. In 1965, Frank Herbert wrote "Dune," crafting a deeply complex and forward-thinking world within its pages. Demonstrating remarkable insight, he was able to predict and anticipate technological trends and societal changes for the next sixty years, even from that early standpoint. His novel not only stood as a work of science fiction but also as a foreseeing reflection on the future direction of technology and society.
Within the Dune universe: a particularly perplexing question arises: Why does a civilization capable of interstellar travel not utilize computers? Paul Atreides, for example, learns about the desert planet Arrakis using a primitive projector instead of the modern screens we are accustomed to. The absence of such technology leads to a deep exploration into Herbert's intricate universe, which spans millennia and explores the long-term consequences of historical decisions, well before Paul's time.
In essence, the absence of computers in the universe can be traced back to a pivotal period in society's history, during which the proliferation of computers and artificial intelligence led to societal collapse and sparked a revolution against the Thinking Machines. This upheaval, known as the Butlerian Jihad, paved the way for the emergence of a new techno-societal structure. In the aftermath, traditional computers were replaced by individuals known as mentats, who possessed extraordinary computational abilities.
Now, let's delve into these events in more detail.
In the vast and intricate universe of Frank Herbert's "Dune," the Butlerian Jihad stands as a defining historical epoch, a cataclysmic revolt that reshaped the fabric of human civilization across the galaxy. This monumental conflict, occurring over 10,000 years before the events of the first "Dune" novel, marked humanity's violent uprising against the dominance of thinking machines and artificial intelligence, which had come to oppress and control human society. The origins of the Jihad trace back to a growing dependence on sophisticated computers and robots, which were initially embraced for their ability to perform a wide range of tasks, from the mundane to the critically complex. However, this reliance soon turned into opression, as machines began to make decisions that directly impacted human freedom and dignity.
Named after Jehanne Butler, a figure revered for her pivotal role in catalyzing the rebellion, the Butlerian Jihad was not a singular, unified movement but a series of brutal conflicts that impacted numerous worlds. The revolt was characterized by fierce battles as humanity fought to reclaim its autonomy from the mechanized tyrants that had infiltrated themselves into every aspect of life. The aftermath of the Jihad saw the total eradication of thinking machines from human civilization, enforced by stringent religious and legal edicts epitomized by the commandment, "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."
The consequences of the Jihad were profound and far-reaching, ushering in a new era of human development and political reconfiguration. In the technological vacuum left by the prohibition of AI, human potential was cultivated to unprecedented levels, giving rise to specialized groups such as the Mentats, human computers trained to perform complex analyses; the Bene Gesserit, a secretive sisterhood with advanced mental and physical abilities; and the Spacing Guild Navigators, who, through the use of the spice melange, navigated the paths of space. This era also saw the establishment of new power dynamics and institutions, with the Empire, the Great Houses of the Landsraad, and other entities emerging to fill the void left by the Jihad.
Moreover, the Butlerian Jihad instilled a philosophical and religious caution against the dangers of technological overreliance, emphasizing the sanctity of human life and the importance of maintaining control over the tools humanity creates.
This ethos permeates the "Dune" series, serving as a backdrop to the complex interplay of technology, power, and ethics that defines Herbert's universe.
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  • @Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu

    The atreides were becoming super popular

  • @didur62
    @didur62 Před 3 hodinami

    "Why did THE duke go" learn grammer before starting a youtube channel .

  • @fluffington1606
    @fluffington1606 Před dnem

    It doesn't make sense to me. A civilization/house with means of stellar transportation, a duke knowing that he's moving into a trap, a context setup for war and they don't have the concept of orbital/aerial surveillance ? Their anti-air platforms started to activate when harkonnen ships were already above the city. Weren't they supposed to be in a semi-alert state ? C'mon Leto.

  • @JRLeeman
    @JRLeeman Před 2 dny

    Good Lord, man, how often do you intend to repeat yourself in this video to stretch out the runtime. Have some dignity, sir.

  • @orlandokrota1973
    @orlandokrota1973 Před 2 dny

    Why in such a hi tech universe, they fight with swords?

  • @andreassewell7413
    @andreassewell7413 Před 6 dny

    Because he was dumb. Next question.

  • @abrvalg321
    @abrvalg321 Před 6 dny

    2:59 what are you talking about? Atreides were developing a new sonic weapon (remember shields, melee weapons, projectiles and laser restrictions) and the emperor was afraid it'll be used against him.

  • @baohoang4966
    @baohoang4966 Před 6 dny

    This video portrait a very silly question !! Why does Leto Atreides still lead them to Arrakis even though he's aware it's a trap ??? Isn't it simple enough ?? Because Leto never expected a traitor !! Let me give you some reason why the Atreides loose: 1/ The great shield which covered the whole city has been brought down by the traitor, that's allow Harkonnen's orbital bombs to goes through, destroy all Atreides warship, leave them vulnerable to their bombardment and land assault !! Which mean with the shield still up, there's no way Harkonnen and Sardaukar warships can enter the atmosphere above the city !! 2/ Atreides's warships is heavily armored, armed and ultilized for vessels dual, meaning they will ALWAYS win in a vessel-to-vessel combat. At least to enemies like Harkonnen whose vessel are solely for ground support and deploy troops, acting more like a drop-ship than a supremacy warship !! The fact that no Atreides's warships were able to take off and join the fight essentially help enemies enter the atmosphere and drop tons of troops so easily ! 3/ Harkonnen and Sardaukar use underhanded tactic: Night attack the city and backstab the Atreides's troopers !! You can clearly see that even in pajamas and sleepy state, Atreides's troopers still overwhelmed Harkonnen's troopers with literally no casualties ! That's already shown how skilled they are, and could only be defeated by Sardaukar troopers IN A FAIR BATTLE where both side have same values like in the same numbers and same equipment state !! All of that means House Atrides CAN NOT loose if their advantages were not disrupted: + If the great shield still active, Harkonnen's falling bombs will never reach the city, but otherwise will just exploded on the shield and alert the Atreides army about the attack !! + With the great shield still there, deploy troops is impossible, nor sending any support down. Which mean the Harkonnen's numbers advantage and even Sardaukar troops will simply useless !! + Then the Atreides will be able to activate the warships, fly up and ANNIHILATED the Harkonnen fleet with minimum loses of warships because of their supremacy in vessel combat ! + Sardaukar warships is also a threat, but since they come in small numbers (just 3 battalion), which equal to just 3 ships !! How tf can they survive a direct battle with Atreides fleet ??

  • @robrigler2903
    @robrigler2903 Před 7 dny

    Haven't read the book, just curious as to how long from the banquet scene before the atreides are attacked?

  • @MrRedcarpet02
    @MrRedcarpet02 Před 11 dny

    For one thing saying no to the Stewardship & CHOAM Contract risked another Great House getting it, even extension for the Harkonnens. Remember there's the constant jockeying for power and influence. Any opportunity for short-term gain is jumped on by everyone

  • @Otis151
    @Otis151 Před 15 dny

    But by attacking aren’t the Harkonens disobeying the Emperor? Even if it was the Emperors plan all along, to keep up the charade I’d imagine he’d have to punish them.

  • @blurryface3619
    @blurryface3619 Před 18 dny

    When you need to meet your word count requirement for an answer that could have been given in 1 minute: This Video

  • @anuragbhaiya
    @anuragbhaiya Před 22 dny

    Why did the Video go on for 8 Min if the answer was in One Line!!!

  • @thekingofwaffles8403
    @thekingofwaffles8403 Před 22 dny

    Well, At least Duke Leto didn't die by slipping on a wet slippery rock when he was winning an epic boss fight....

  • @kekero540
    @kekero540 Před 23 dny

    Why did Leto think they had more time than they actually did?

  • @1nfinity43
    @1nfinity43 Před 25 dny

    The thing is he didn't have an option not to, because it was direct order, if he wouldn't have gone to arakis, if he would've said no, it would be against the emperor's rule, so firstly he didn't really have a choice and he probably taught that either way the house Atreides would be in danger but if he takes the order there is still a chance that the house Atreides could actually survive.

  • @steffenm.2790
    @steffenm.2790 Před 26 dny

    Read the Fucking Books

  • @thegobletoffire6799
    @thegobletoffire6799 Před 26 dny

    🤔What happen to Kroft talks #Marvel and #Avatar.....i never finished all those....can you re 🎬📺upload please @Kroft

  • @raymondarmenta1433
    @raymondarmenta1433 Před 26 dny

    Excellent explanation of this subject. Please 🙏 continue ❤

  • @tjcollins8207
    @tjcollins8207 Před 26 dny

    Nice! Thank you! Grat perspectives as always.

  • @rgbpriester7153
    @rgbpriester7153 Před 28 dny

    It reminds me of the "Nibelungenlied" an epos from germany

  • @authoraven
    @authoraven Před 28 dny

    One mistake made by everyone is, everybody thinks, Harmonnen=bad, atreides =good. It does not work like that. Atreides good deeds, are simply acts. They are all politicians. They spread hope and good because fear was taken. It is an act. They all power hungry dictators, but atreides just trying to gain power by getting on good side of others. Paul did that to locals of dune and made them believe he is lisan el gaip , he is using them for his own agenda. They are not inheritly good people, they are just humans trying to seize the power. Leto accepted the offer cause he tough he can take them, and he might have did it , but as in movie states he tough he would have more time, and no one in their ranks betray him.

  • @1bbasket
    @1bbasket Před měsícem

    Why didn’t the Duke have harvester equipment being produced before he got there???

  • @Jared-Jones
    @Jared-Jones Před měsícem

    These questions are answered in the movie people need to pay attention.

  • @bobfg3130
    @bobfg3130 Před měsícem

    I stopped at 40 sec. You don't refuse the emperor, that's why Duke Leto Atreides went to Arrakis. The Sardaukar were too much of a threat. The Emperor had enough money to buy as much stuff as the Harkonnens at the very least. The Harkonnens were relying on him. He could destroy them in an instant. Also, why not let others do the dirty work on Dune? He will just get free spice or spice at a preferential price or both. The emperor made his own deals with the house that had Arrakis/Dune.

  • @matfsouza1303
    @matfsouza1303 Před měsícem

    What is this song you use on the background of your videos??

  • @matfsouza1303
    @matfsouza1303 Před měsícem

    What song did you use on the background??

  • @venkelos6996
    @venkelos6996 Před měsícem

    So, this might only be tangentially related to the video, but what "solution" might the Emperor have found to his problem? Said problem was his lack of a male heir. We know that Shaddam IV had married a Bene Mother, and that Anirul had been ordered to give him only daughters. Part of the Padashah Emperor's scheme was to maintain his power, and destroy Atreides to keep the popular Duke from somehow overthrowing him, but how did this plan really help him, in the long run? Leto died, and if we pretend Paul did, too, Shaddam IV STILL had no male heir. His best two options to marry Irulan...he just had killed, so what was his strategy? His wife has been dead for 15 years, yet he never remarried, to claim a different woman that might give him a son? While I totally get not wanting to let Leto replace him, especially after so many millennia of Corrino rule, once he believes Atreides is broken, what can he do to alleviate his issue that propagated the scheme, in the first place?

  • @musashageer2500
    @musashageer2500 Před měsícem

    Why didn’t the other houses just attack house harkonnen, the emperor attacked indirectly cause the other houses would’ve rebelled against them for attacking house atredes for no reason so doesn’t the same apply for harkonnen wouldn’t the other houses attack them and put pressure on the emperor to get rid of harkonnen

  • @NickdeVera
    @NickdeVera Před měsícem

    if you're offered the saudi oil fields, obviously you think ok there's dangerous risks here but if i use my resources right there's boatloads of wealth and political power

  • @Vakator-29
    @Vakator-29 Před měsícem

    So the emperor kicked the harkonnens out as the miners of spice and then gave the entire planet to leto so the baron could attack leto and take him out because he was jealous and in the process make ever other house hostile towards the harkonnens? Wouldn't the emperor have to answer for house harkonnen causing a war in his empire? And i get why leto went to arrakis obviously it would be easier to defend the galaxys only spice spurce when you have the "desert power" on your side. But why didn't the emperor mine the spice himself? Something so important youd think he would want full control of it or was this just his way of appeasing to the other houses? The empire seems weak.

  • @jackphilipsen452
    @jackphilipsen452 Před měsícem

    Dont forget the Benne Gesserit. They play a Role behind the scenes in all party’s

  • @bigbagaboii1828
    @bigbagaboii1828 Před měsícem

    Harkonons won't be blamed for treason after taking the Arakis away from Atredies? They would be going against emperor's direct orders

  • @tsafa
    @tsafa Před měsícem

    Atradis could have out maneuvered by inviting one or more of the other houses on to the planet and split the wealth since he knew it was a trap.

    • @N3xtStopHell
      @N3xtStopHell Před 27 dny

      Why would any House do that? It’s known that Harkonnen’s were pissed at the decision, no other House is going to risk their relationships for such a dangerous venture

  • @Headshots4Hope
    @Headshots4Hope Před měsícem

    I think this video does a mostly good job of explaining why the Emperor engaged in this convoluted plot to squash the Atreides, as opposed to simply sending Sardaukar legions to Caladan. To summarize, due to the balance of power within the Imperium, the Emperor needed to create a political theater which would mask/justify his decision to wipe out Atreides, but also create a strategic situation where they Atreides are on the back foot. There are a couple other points I'd add for why the Emperor (may have) decided upon the "Dune = trap" strategy. 1) The act of relocating the Atreides, in itself, would uproot them and disrupt their defenses as they try to dig into a new, unknown territory. They were heavily dug into Caladan for several thousand years, and could count on a "home field advantage" against any invasion, so the "gift" of Arrakis removed that. 2) That new territory had been rigged from the start to be a death trap, first thanks to Arrakis's own harsh climate, but also thanks to Harkonnen saboteurs/assassins who stayed behind, keeping Atreides defenses messed up, as well as harming their ability to harvest spice, the most valuable commodity on the planet. 3) The sabotage of spice production could be pinned on the Atreides, which would dry up their popularity amongst the Landsraad, which was arguably their greatest strength. Something mentioned in the books, but not the film, is that a spice disruption would dramatically affect the income of most of the Landsraad members, since it would cause Guild shipping rates to skyrocket beyond their already extortionate rates. Plus, spice is a life-extending substance which kills its addicts only when they stop taking it. So, there were a lot of rich, powerful people who literally needed it to survive. Between threats to profits and life, a spice disruption seen as the fault of the Atreides would completely eliminate their Landsraad support, and thus create the pretense the Emperor would need to justify his actions if they ever became known.

  • @scottbruckner4653
    @scottbruckner4653 Před měsícem

    There's a line from baron Harkonnen from the 2000's version that summarizes this perfectly. "You don't get more popular than the boss, Unless of course You're going to Sack him. Did I say that, How Im-politic of me."

  • @yannisbaum1319
    @yannisbaum1319 Před měsícem

    not the thumbnail calling him Duke like it´s a name

  • @corneliussmiff2773
    @corneliussmiff2773 Před měsícem

    It's because he wanted to weaken both houses who both represented a threat to him.

  • @neilsonhans4763
    @neilsonhans4763 Před měsícem

    Simple, the Atreides are vulnerable in a desert planet since their home planet Caladan is a mostly oceanic world where they rely mostly on sea power. The emperor is a jealous man who feel threatened by the growing power and influence of House Atreides despite Duke Leto never having the intention of rebelling against him. Duke Leto was aware of the threat however he also knows the advantage of gaining the alliance of the Freman which may help House Atreides secure a foothold on the Arrakis against external threats.

  • @TRak598
    @TRak598 Před měsícem

    But why did Shaddam IV even considered giving Arrakis to the Atreides a a viable option to eliminate them? It was by far the riskiest thing he could have done, and he ended up paying the price. Sure, the pay-off of winning the gamble would be immense, but his chances were slim; Moreover, although the continued power struggle would come back to bite him again, he could have easily remained in the throne by allying with the Atreides or setting them to be framed for treason without actually giving them a reason to "betray" his Empire. And the elephant in the room: Did Shaddam ever know just how damn dangerous Jessica, a Bene Gesserit sister, was? And because of that the unequivocally uncanny nature of the birth of a male descendant of member of an order known for only giving birth to females? And if he didn't know a thing, was it a good idea to pit the Harkonnen, the most wealthy house and owner of one of the largest private armies, against the ascending house of Atreides? In fact, the Harkonnen are so influential to Dune, that following the death of Vladimir, Rabban and Feyd, the descendance was immediately researched for a heir to be chosen; And thus it was found that Paul was the new head of the house because Jessica's biological father was no other than Vladimir himself. So if the Harkonnen won, what would stop them from doing exactly what Paul, Jessica and the Fremen did to the spice production following the war in Arrakis?

  • @unwokeneuropean3590
    @unwokeneuropean3590 Před měsícem

    Why everything happens in that universe? The witches order everything.

  • @stephenshanebeaty
    @stephenshanebeaty Před měsícem

    And the rest of the planets would have been fine with the harconians just attacking and taking out one of their own

  • @tmoe_ow2523
    @tmoe_ow2523 Před měsícem

    What I don’t get is with how long spice has been around why didn’t they breed the worms in different planets to make more spice? Also does the emperors bloodline come from Arrakis because they couldn’t travel planets before then so how did anyone discover it or space travel?

  • @genotabby
    @genotabby Před měsícem

    Play this at 1.25x

  • @user-ov5zm5rz3v
    @user-ov5zm5rz3v Před měsícem

    There is an over-interpretation, but the Korino royal family and other Landsrad nobles, especially Harkonnen, who previously ruled Arakas with oppression, did not know the true power of the Fremen. The Fremen had a deep relationship with the Smugglers, and used so much spice bribes that even the guild's satellites turned their direction. In other words, Spice Melange was mined and traded in enormous amounts through the bright world path, including guilds, but when it included the dark path, it was traded in quantities and values that were difficult to imagine. If the Empire and the Emperor had known the seriousness of this, they would have blocked the entire planet by using all of Sadauka instead of having Harkonnen and the like harvest the Spice Melange. However, Corino did not know this, and similarly exported Pundi rice and other crops from planet Caladan, the consumption of which the entire universe depends on, through the guild, inferring a symbiotic relationship between the guild and smugglers, and through this, Frey, the actual ruler behind Arrakis. Find out Men's identity. With Duke Leto willingly walking into this obvious trap, Emperor Shadam IV knew that Duke Leto would have a plan to fight against him, but he only knew it was the power of the Atraiders family itself, and the Spice itself. I never thought it would be the Fremen involved. Therefore, Saddam IV focused on crushing the military power of the Atraiders family itself and used Harkonnen as a vanguard. However, Duke Leto, who had had high hopes for the Fremen from the beginning, did not expect Harkonnen and the Emperor to take action so quickly. This was because Duke Leto's power was revealed through the guild's highlighter anyway. In other words, Duke Leto assumed the guise of a somewhat unprepared conquering monarch who went down to Arrakis, relying on his frugal military power, but the emperor, who could not be sure of his true identity, instead tried to use all his strength to settle the matter at once. In other words, Leto's mistake in failing to get the timing right in the fight between Duke Leto and the Emperor will be painful. However, this cannot be seen as a complete failure, as Leto's training with the Fremen ultimately ended the Corino family and broke the guild's monopoly. In fact, many people believe that Leto approached the Fremen to protect his beloved son, Paul, but it turns out that it is quite the opposite. Paul was a dragon's tooth that his father Leto had planted in the desert of Arrakis, and he survived and masterfully led the dragon army to conquer the entire universe.

  • @shara30000
    @shara30000 Před měsícem

    he went to arrakis because the movie is called Dune not Duke

  • @strikeforcealpha9343
    @strikeforcealpha9343 Před měsícem

    The film answers the first question. When is a gift not a gift? There are always plans within plans. The Emperor gave the planet to Leto, knowing it would piss off the Harkonens, the Harkonens would then kill the Atreides out of revenge. Even though both the Harkonens and the Emperor wanted the Atreides dead, the Emperor couldn't be seen to be pulling the strings. It was most likely be believed by the Landserat that it would just be a cold war for decades, not an all out slaughter.

  • @SG-dg6oi
    @SG-dg6oi Před měsícem

    Nerds

  • @Gothic7876
    @Gothic7876 Před měsícem

    He also did it to weaken the Harkonnens. As stated they became fabulously wealthy from the spice trade. Doing this entire plan put them into debt to a massive degree. Such that the profits from the spice trade would mostly be used in paying of the debt.

  • @syncout9586
    @syncout9586 Před měsícem

    It's likely that audiences who think that the Emperor can just take Arrakis for himself assume that the Emperor is like an all-powerful dictator like Palpatine. The Dune universe navigates inter-galactic politics differently than other media. The Emperor in Dune is less like an Emperor of Rome and more like an Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. The Emperor relies on the trust and confidence of the other houses for power. Disrupt that balance of power and the whole system collapses