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Considering her fanatical zeal and extreme methods, I would not doubt that she is responsible for the deaths of her brothers and sisters at arms one way or another.

@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN well one of her voice lines is that the hornsent must have smelled it on her the scent of crusted blood the scent of a killer.

@@arianightrose4792 to be fair, all of the needle knights were likely all ruthless killers. Leda was simply a cut above the rest in both her paranoia and bloodlust. In retrospect, you could argue that Leda is not very smart and that she was likely not the best warrior within her order. I say this because without our help, she would have likely failed in her attempt at defeating two warriors of greater skill than her, and if we help her adversaries then her failure is guaranteed. Miquella likely chose Leda for her paranoid and fanatical loyalty. Don't get me wrong, she is elite but not THAT elite that she could have hoped to beat the leader and captain of the pure blood knights himself.

I mean, if they get a good studio to do it then it could go well, edgerunners being an example. But the souls series are a very different beast to deal with. Whoever is adapting it, for a animated series format, needs to REALLY know wtf he is doing in regards to the game's narrative and lore. And in here the rumor was about netflix, so yeah.... Maybe its better they leave it alone.

Closure in a fromsoftware story? Very rare, very rare indeed. But seriously, Elden Ring 2 would be Too far away for we to realistically expect anything of the IP right now. Elden Ring 2 might be 10 years away

Sure Karen, have at it. Wait.... Don't tell me you are the player that I invaded lol

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Thanks mate. I actually enjoyed Martin's vision for the ancient lore here. But you are correct, he does overuse the familial intrigue plot device a bit too much at times. Marika and Radagon still kinda grinds my gears over how convoluted that plot point is.

@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN bro don't even get me started on who Messmer's dad is, because it HAS to be Radagon but the timeline is whack with that in mind. Or how they didn't give us anything on Melina/the Gloam-eyed Queen. But I digress, SotE is an amazing addition to an even better game, 10/10 probably their best dlc yet. RIP my boy Godwyn, maybe he's the real secret boss copium

@@danilohernandez8989 Leaving Godwyn to the sidelines was a terrible crime.😢

I know, in my pinned comment I address that. Completely flew over my head how the corpse looked.

Poor Romina, a victim of war.

True, I enjoy PvP in Elden Ring but some design decisions were baffling to me. Invasions suffer the most in this.

@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN exactly. I'm an elden ring invader and I miss the dark souls style 3v3s so much. I'd give anything to have a farron keep style invasion zone

@@Tarnished_Onryo So true, forcing a 4 player only session was a kinda of a stupid oversight by fromsoftware. Also, allowing the host to call upon a hunter while already cooping was even more baffling to me. Invasions, since the dlc release, have been a consistent 3v1 affair for the invader, and the amount of OP BS you have to deal with makes it even worse.

They ought to seperate their PvP and PvE games. PvE side is getting way too held back by PvP balancing issues, it's not possible to give PvE players cool moves and mechanics cause PvP players gonna complain whenever anything fun for PvE appears in the game. It's getting very old and the divestment needs to begin.

@@jellydamgoodDon't misunderstand, PVP players like flashy "cool moves" too, that's not our issue with elden ring. The problem is how one sided the PVP balancing is, specially on invasions and I don't mean stuff like weapon damage and ash of war usage, hear me out. I invaded a duo a few days ago, I was patient and played my cards right in order to NOT get rainbow diarrhea ganked by multiple weapons and ashes, and in that invasion they summoned 3 different hunters to try and kill me and I never got any help as an invader. I can deal with OP ashes of war like quick slash, most competent invaders can, but three of them at once? Or even two while the third player spam magic missiles from afar? Its nearly impossible to deal with that. Gankers take advantage of this, they summon two over-leveled babysitters so that the 4 PVP slots are filled and the invader is alone and they just rush him, without any sense of strategy because there is not need since they also don't suffer friendly fire, one stun and the invader is likely dead. Invaders didn't tryhard as much in DS3 because they did not have to deal with that sort of situation. Invasions were a test of skill in DS3 and in Elden ring they are a cheese fest now. That god forsaking netcoding of fromsoft coupled with that annoying blue bear anti-cheat + extra latency app does not help either, if you play on PC. -Let me as an invader call for help, in 3v1 scenarios. -Don't allow the host to activate blue ring while already 2v1 an invader, mid invasions. -Or at the very least tell me how many players there are in the session, I'm already at a disadvantage anyway. You see, the problem is not the abundance of flashy and cool moves but how the scales tip too much to one side on a mechanical level.

I bet they never expected him to resist for so long, at least they contained the spread of frenzy on the abyssal woods

​@@DISCOUNTRUSSIANthey were literally in his home hearing him scream his lil lungs out, they could have killed him at any time, what do you mean they didn't expect him to last that long?

@@jellydamgood The ones in the mansion are already too far gone, they even use the frenzy flame for f**k sake. They are nut jobs! ironically, Midra might be the most sane individual there. Like I said, the inquisitors were cruel so....

you are correct, I wen't to check it out and yes... I made an opsie🤫

@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN lol, that death knight is a testament that getting ganked by that hanging imp and mage hiding in the corner is lore canon.

@@killerjoke2945 LOL, Ganker squad is cannon confirmed

You have no idea how happy it makes me to see enthusiastic lore lovers like you enjoy my videos, specially the war theater ones. Thank You! I just wished the algorithm could give me a break🥲 I always felt that Morgot was hoping for something or someone to come back, since he so adamantly defended Leyndell from any and all threats, even if he could not claim the title of elden lord. Rykard probably took some preparation against the siege, but everything is so vague over that conflict that I can only assume what Rykard would have done.

The Numem are said to be "seldom born" after all.

Dun Dunn duuunnnnnnn!

The Helm's hair is likely just aesthetic in order to cosplay as him. I mean, both Malenia's helm and Godfrey's crown have their hair. Outside of that, you might be spot on since it makes sense within medieval political context, or this world's political context for that matter. Messmer would have been a very difficult political puzzle for Marika to solve, specially after her marriage with Godfrey. Like I even mentioned in the video, she cared about her image as a ruler and having a "bastard child" would not have looked well in front of your subjects and rivals. Not that they could leverage Messmer against her though

@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN Messmer's Helm, Radahn's Helm, Malenia's Helm, and Godfrey's Helm all have the hair as part of it. Yeah, might just be aesthetic, but who knows? And yeah, Marika definitely wanted to have a good reputation to her chosen people as evidenced by what happened to Morgott and Mohg when they were young and born with "the omen curse". Those two were freakish in appearance so she and Godfrey (who for his part did genuinely love his kids, as evidenced in the scene before you fight him) had to hide them from the public eye. Morgott at least was able to become the acting king of Leyndell even without showing himself to the people. Also, Marika banishing Godfrey and the rest of the tarnished is a point in favor of this need for her to have a good public image.

Could be right. The evidence is so little that any theory is plausible at this point. To be fair, we just don't know.

Thanks buddy, would do wonders if you could share this video.

Although I don't believe he never existed, since the elden beast is a thing, but him being dead is interesting. I still subscribe to the idea that they exist and are alive but can't interact with the mortal plane. So in order to enforce their wills, they find vessels from which to impart their power and magic. A proxy, technically.

Nah it made marika much worse

@@thelionofjudah5318 Because she took vengeance? Prevented any other magical race from being butchered for mad science? Tell me then who is the angel in this. The Hornsent?

Hey, I'm curious here as I like your take on Maliketh, it makes sense to me that he would somehow have helped Marika in her ascension. Where did you get the Hornsent revered and trusted Maliketh from, and that he's a divine beast himsel?

@matheussantos9367 to them, he would look like a divine beast. He can talk and is Marika's protector. Plus, her shaman mystic body, she probably bamboozled them.

True, I should have mentioned that in the video. It just felt so obvious that I didn't even considered adding that to the video, my bad.

I mentioned them as a people for simplicity sake, since they had their own village, their own origins and their own culture. But true, the shaman could be just an occupation.

I assumed that dlc meant marika arrived in the lands between from the land of shadows but I see how that can be a shaky interpretation

@gedgar4502 I know that is a popular assumption now but it seems inconsistent with other lore to myself. There are more questions than answers but that question had a massive buildup with no payoff.

The Numen aren’t special on their own. You can play as a Numen. They don’t need an explanation - just a people, like the people from The Land of Reeds. This is a FromSoft game, you don’t get answers. You get more opportunities to ask questions. Do you know how many people don’t even know Dark Souls takes place after its world’s Great Tree was burned? That the burning of the tree is the fire that comes, and adds disparity. That you can see its trunk. So few people know about this, and the DLC doesn’t talk about it at all. It talks about Artorias, but it doesn’t talk about Velka - arguably the most important character in the entirety of FromSoft’s output in the past 15 years. It doesn’t talk about so many gods and religions… it feels like you’re a tourist around here.

@@Misha-lt9vy That's the best lore explanation I ever came across. No true answers, only more questions.

That theory of yours make a LOT of sense. Well done.

I don't see too much wrong with your corrections.

Thank you but a correction video is not needed. We can just discuss things here.😉 Firstly, there is no true evidence that the Crusade happened after the Liurnian war, there is nothing explicitly stating that Rellana took part in the crusade, only that: "Rellana disavowed her birthright and chose to stand at Messmer's side instead, knowing full well that not even the brilliance of the moon could grant him succor. Before long, she became known as the Sword of Messmer." This does not mean she took part in the crusade's initial hostilities or the crusade as a whole for that matter, only that she stood by his side. and having it happened after the Liurnian war and tarnished was sent away would not be possible since both the golden order and the erdtree were already established as symbols of power and worship by that point. If we go by what you are saying, Marika arose to Godhood after sending Godfrey and the tarnished away, which doesn't add up since fromsoftware mention that the lands of shadow to be Marika's origin and where she rises to power. Also, that goes against what Mirial, Pastor of vows says: "The Order of the Erdtree and the fate of the moon were conjoined, and all the wounds of war forgiven.", this pretty much says that the golden order was already stablished by the time of the Liurnian war since he mentions it as a "Order". And the order of the erdtree was stablished by Marika AFTER her ascension. Second, Messmer recognizing a tarnished does not mean the crusade happened after their march, only that he was somewhat aware of his mothers plans, something he could have learned after the end of the crusade. I mean, he is a noble, he probably have informants since limited information is shared between the lands of shadow and the lands between. Third, your seduction and betrayal theory is very much like mine but adding Godfrey in the crusade when there is no mention or any hint of him taking any part of it is just head cannon on your part. Her main weapon in this crusade was Messmer, not Horah loux. Another thing that is important to state is the fact we don't know what Marika sacrificed for her godhood, we can't even say her steps towards it was the same as Miquella's, it's only speculation. I also doubt there is any need for a lord to "call you back", as you mention, from the divinity gate. But hey, we can agree to disagree.

@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN I'm saying that the crusade happened well after Marika became a god I think you just didn't understand what I meant My fundamental disagreements with your video are that I see enough evidence in game to point towards Marika's ascension and the crusade as two separate events that happened at radically different times as Messmer was around long enough for him to be as an older brother to Radahn which means that he couldn't have been banished to the realm of shadow under the pretense of a crusade in Marika's name until after Radahns birth which sets his crusade after the Liurnian wars and Radahns birth at the earliest my suggestion that it happened in between Godfrey's banishment is evidenced by the fact that he even recognizes us as Tarnished which means he would need to know that becoming something like them was even possible and that they did exist which likely means hid crusade happened just before Radagon left Rennalla and became Elden Lord remember Messmers fire knight where Leyndell Nobility who were shunned and basically disowned for following Messmer which is likely why Rellana had to give up her birthright as princess because Messmer was not seen as a worthy demigod and with his association with snakes even if well hidden he is somewhat seen in the same light as the traitorish serpent he would have been an outcast in noble society Heck Messmer's soilders are pennal soilders I believe they aren't exactly seen as holy people or good I doubt this crusade was looked upon as anything more than a very polite banishment from polite society by the erdtree nobility

@@animeproblem1070 Even if its well after it does not add up. By the Liurnian war and the march of the tarnished, Marika was already viewed as a God and the crusade was her means for it. It wouldn't make sense for the crusade to happen too much later than her ascension since it opened her way for it. But I would still like to see your evidence on that matter.

@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN As I said I believe her betrayal was something that happened well before the crusade If you look at commander Gaius' Remberance it mentions that he and Messmer were as older brothers to the Lion which is referencing Radahn this means that Messmer was around for Radahns youth if he was in the shadow realm on crusade he never would have met Radahn because the crusade was a banishment this means that at litteral minimum Messmer could not have started the crusade until after Radahns birth and likely his schooling under the Alabster lord because him and Gaius trained under that lord at the same time

I said she PERHAPS was born there, all that we know is that she lived there at some point. I didn't mention the dragons nor the eternal cities in this video because they have no influence over the crusade, they took no part in it. I focused mostly with what the dlc showed to the player, meaning this is a timeline of the crusade and it's prelude, I barely touch what happened afterwards, I just mentioned that this set the foundations for Marika's future wars. So I don't feel this is to close to current events because I did not say they were close to one another. I said before and I will say again, time in fromsoft game was always difficult to figure out and Elden Ring just puts that on another level. The timeline in the video is there to maintain a cohesive line of thought of the DLC's events.

He very well could be. I never subscribed to the idea of Marika and Radagon being one since the begnning specially after that phrase: "you who are YET to become me". TBH, Radagon and Marika drives me nuts everytime I think of them LOL. Because, them being one since the start makes no sense. The logistics of it would be impossible to make it work. But the shit ton of evidence of that being the case is impossible to ignore. The compromised I got was that during the war with the Carians, Marika could not go herself and neither did Godfrey for some reason, so Radagon was a proxy part of herself she sent in order to remedy her and her main generals absence. Then Messmer comes along, with that red hair of his LOL. Fromsoftware are the master of throwing a curve ball at you. hahaha Still, I think they went a little overboard with Radagon and Marika.

What if messmer isn't her son? He had no grace, he is snakeish (looks like a godskin). When he dies he says mother...marika. I think marika allied with some snake faction, erased from history, betrayed them, killed snake god (dlc trailer shows her pulling runes from what i think is a snake), and claimed messmer as her own child.

@@curtisfarley6558 Then why raise him to demigod status? If he was just a warlord then just keep him as is. No, he very likely is her son, he did after all inherited her ruthless efficiency when dealing with "obstacles". I mean, he is basically this world's count Dracula

@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN he was a demi God by virtue of being born of a God. He was used by marika in the very same way you use as evidence; ruthless efficiency. Have you read asoif? It's a very grrm thing so it's my headcanon until tarnished archeologists figures it out lol

@@curtisfarley6558 Touche. "Have you read asoif?". I have read it and I'm still waiting for that fucking winds of winter book. Martin will never release that thing will he?

Thanks, Glad you enjoy it and don't worry, I read it all lol. I was never one to subscribe to the idea of Melina being the gloam-eyed queen but I will never discredit that theory. But about the Empyrians, that is just a title and not nessecarilly one bound by Marika's blood. Placidussax was a lord and its God was likely an Empyrian dragon of sorts. And that phrasing of Marika about Radagon: "you who are yet to become me" Meanning that Ranni is not bound by blood to Marika. But radagon and Marika is a can of worms I won't open now. My point is, an Empyrian is just a choosen one. Marika just happens to birth two of them, Three if you count Ranni. But the truth is, there are points of Elden Ring's lore that they left TOO interpretative in my opinion. Stil, your theory has a point.

I'm on the Melina = geq train too. Now to our Russian friends point about placi. I saw a video that made the connection of Metyr being the god that fled because when you defeat her, she flees into the teleport animation and not the normal death animation. Very interesting to dig into.

@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN in regards to Placidusax being Elden Lord, his God was likely his Empyrean, but that's not what I meant to focus on, sorry. The key point of the Gloam-eyed Queen being CHOSEN by the Fingers, is that it places her in the Golden Order because, as we now know, all Fingers were birthed by Metyr and they can only pass on their words to Finger Readers (no evidence shows that the Dragons in Placidusax's reign had Fingers). There was also the point that I never mentioned that Melina's eye only opens after you unseal the Rune of Death (which was known to be the Gloam-eyed Queen's Rune). I've also noticed that the Beast Eye item Gurranq gives you is described as "The murky violet iris writhes as if alive." And it "trembles" near deathroot as if it fears it. Since we know Maliketh killed the Gloam-eyed Queen, it makes sense that he'd keep a memento of her. But my point with this one is that it's exactly 1 eye that is almost the same hue as the one Melina shows in the cutscene for the Flame of Frenzy ending. It just adds up nicely for Melina to have fire powers just like her brother Messmer and for her to have led a rebellion against her mother (opposite to Messmer's undying loyalty to his mother). The cause of said rebellion is easy in my eyes, seeing all the atrocities the demigods/Marika committed all in the name of the "Greater Will." Melina is very much like her mother, kind, gentle and motherly. The godskins were stated to be "cradled" in godskin cloth, a very motherly action. Now you might say why would Melina go against her mother? That's the part Fromsoft never gave use, but if we read between the lines, Elden Ring has a huge emphasis on the duality of man and how light/dark are two sides of the same coin. Messmer was willing to become a devil for his mother, and then, in term, Melina was willing to become a martyr against her mother. Messmer leads by example and invigorates his men to the point that they are willing to follow him into hell all because (in their eyes) the Hornsent were different to them. The Gloam-Eyed Queen was said to nurture her Apostles, and her Nobles were said to "have assimilated inhuman physiology. Not unlike the crucible, the Erdtree in its primordial form." Another form of rebellion against the Golden Order/Marika My point is that there's too much connecting Melina to the Gloam-eyed Queen, and once you connect her to Messmer, all the pieces start to make sense

@@danilohernandez8989 Touche!! Well done, that's an excellent view. I have nothing to say, well done. Makes total sense. You connected the dots really well here. Appreciate it for the insight. It's also cool the fact tha your line of thought makes Melina similar to Ranni, one who died in body but not in soul. I always wanted to see how the gloam-eyed queen and Marika first came to blows. Maliketh's duel with her must have been insane, goes to show how much of a monster he must have been on his prime. But i wnet off topic on this last part LOL 😅

@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN Lol don't get me started on Ranni. Her body is so similar to Radagons and was clearly a very large lady. Yes, Renalla is big, yet Radagon is fairly normal sized by comparison. Look at Radahn, dude is massive. Even Rykard was most likely a large man even if we never saw him. What's my point? Radagon has Giant's blood Now hold on, hear me out. The red hair is very symbolic of both Fire and the Giants, and the hair color can be indicative of even a curse (but that's speculation on my part). If you look at the placement of the Mountaintop of Giants and the Shaman village and overlay them together, you'll see that they were really close to one another. Everything from this point is my speculation, but I believe that Radagon & Marika have heavy Northern European influence in both their design and character. Marika seemed to be a shaman who believed peacefully in her pagan gods, and Radagon was a nomad who left his homeland in search of purpose. Both met most likely after the Hornsent burned the shaman village. Again, my logic for this is Messmer, obviously being Marika/Radagons child, is in fact probably their firstborn. Also all children of the union of Marika/Radagon start with "M" and George Martin loves to have familial names start with the same letter. Also Maliketh and any of the older Hornsent beasts like the ones in the Storehouse must've insanely powerful in their prime, imagine a world where instead of death being sealed away, it was time 😭

Thank you very much bro!! Apreciate it if you could share it.

I heard that theory before. I find it unlikely because there is no evidence she was put inside a jar and considering what happens to those put inside it, I doubt Marika would meet a different fate than her compatriots. Also, the Empyrians have no need for such a thing to ascend to godhood. Also, Miquella is following Marika's footsteps into Godhood and that does not include the jars. The differance between him and Marika is that Marika sacrifice was the blood of others instead of hers, like Miquella is doing. I don't believe she is a successful "Jar Saint", but there might be more lore discoveries that could give credit to your theory.

If she was malformed I would probably believe this…

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@@thechozenfew1273 Yea kinda. But i don't see how else she betrayed anyone other than maybe the Greater Will. But that's a whole different theory.

@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN aw, i thought i came up with it :D I thought it would explain Radagon. It also explains the betrayal, but.. not the seduction. Could explain her connection to the greater will, through the gates of divinity, but then it doesn't explain messmer, and the first burning of the erdtree. Hehe

Thank you for watching

Realy feels like an D&D campaing in that regard eh? hahahah Just having fun in building your own story.

I don't know, didn't test it yet. Sry

@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN just wondering, nothing to be sorry bout. They did it with sif in ds, and it got me thinking

The strugler within me would scream "GRIFFITH!!!" at the top of my lungs. Seing the eclipse would be PTSD levels of terrifying