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Linux From Discord.

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That's awesome. When I was doing LFS I found it a shame that there is no community for people who have built an LFS system and want to continue using it and improving it. You know, things like trick, troubleshooting, advice, and so on would be helpful. And it could make an LFS system actually usable, for someone who is really interested and has nothing against spending some time on the system. So I think your project is the right step in this direction. Ideally there should be a wiki, a forum, and an IRC channel for LFS, so that people can share and find information. Now I think Arch Linux has become much more popular than some years ago, and also LFS. Five years ago nobody ever talked about LFS. It was a distro for people with special interests. Now much more people know about it. So I think there is a shift happening in the Linux world, and perhaps, a real LFS community could appear someday.

If you install a package manager on LFS, doesn't it become that distro? lol. Like if you install apt, nix, or pacman does it become debian based, nix based, or arch based? lmao

I agree with your point on using static libraries! I try to avoid them at all costs, but occasionally crates I pull in will depend on them, and it is infuriating

congrats ! only a few know what you have achieved and completed so succesfully but what a nice OS man !

Can't you add an application dock to your DE so you can easily access your mostly used apps? I feel like it would make things easier.

Awesome! I will be going through this at my first opportunity

This problem can actually be expanded into multiple and they're some of my major gripes with linux as a target platform. Using a game as an example, to ship you probably want gpu acceleration, which cannot be statically linked (which is fine, actually) and this is where the problems start: - You can't statically link glibc to avoid versioning problems because the gpu drivers will also require glibc and can be incompatible with your statically linked glibc. - You can't avoid glibc because 1) you need the dynamic linker and, since there's no separation of platform api and libc, that's in the libc. and 2) Your gpu drivers will need glibc initialised for things like thread local storage (NO SEPARATION BETWEEN PLATFORM API AND LIBC AGAIN YAY). - Our toolchains, with the exception of zig cc, cannot target glibc versions like you can target platform versions on other platforms. To support older glibc versions you need to compile on a platform with that lower glibc version and if you want to use newer versions of compilers you will potentially need to also patch the compiler and/or glibc in order to actually build them. - These problems extend to your dependencies, eliminating much of the benefit of a package manager for proprietary applications since you'll be building them yourself again anyway, even if you're statically linking them. The solution adopted by people at this point is to either build with a sysroot of an older system or to build on an older system with a glibc version low enough for your support requirements. This is terrible compared to other platforms. On Windows, you can statically link libc or even avoid it entirely and everything works fine. There was a recent project that alleviates some of the versioning problems that I'm hopeful gains traction (github.com/corsix/polyfill-glibc) but it's still just another bandaid to fix an untenable foundation. I don't have hope of things improving. The direction of solutions hasn't been to fix the foundation, but to work around it, with things like flatpak and docker becoming common (it should be immediately obvious that the average user does not care about sandboxing when using these technologies). And this is just on the topic of dynamic libraries. I love linux and it's the only OS I use (Gentoo user here) but, with the exception of some things, this platform is a wasteland compared to my time programming on Windows half a decade ago. We just keep building up towers of bandaids for this horrible foundation.

noice lil video :3

your voice and teaching style is so soothing !

I don't understand why a glibc dynamic library upgrade would break your system. glibc is pretty consistently ABI backwards-compatible, so just installing the new dynamic library should leave all programs working. But I noticed that glibc upgrades typically come with updates to a large number of packages, so maybe there is something else I'm not aware of.

I just rediscovered this game today and damn, while i don't remember much since it's been nearly 7 years, it's still quite nostalgic for me.

LFS is not a distro its just a guide book

Background music is way to loud and ads nothing to the video🙂

Panels are bloat

I feel like 2024 is the year that Linux will see its user base increase a lot, like almost never before

I miss this game I played before sent I was 11 on my childhood.

I saw someone asking for an ISO of your LFS install, Telling you thanks for them.

This looks very cool and alott of work you've put into. Ill take a look at your book real soon I think, cause my LFS build needs some games for sure :D

how long did it take to compile?

Alpine?

How have you set up the animations?

I was looking forward to watching this, but I had to stop. After 5-6 minutes, the music shifted to the foreground and your voice shifted to the background and I couldn't understand a thing you were saying. : (

You got all my respect, all your argument are rock solid, and you stick to your preferences no matter what ! incredible ! To be fair, i don't think i could maintain my system if i had to do anything manually like this, but it certainly would be interesting to try it out. For now i have found a very comfortable place with NixOS and nixpkgs. I like that it's technically a source based distro, but it's so well made that it fells like a binary distro thanks to it's thicc cache of prebuilt packages. It's not as straightforward as just building and copying binaries by hand since you have to learn a hecking functional programming language to use it, but once you're in it a very pleasant experience: Creating packages is fun and you can make it build directly from the upstream releases, adding 3rd party packages is even easier, cli utilities are really useful to me. I tried gentoo at some point (just for the challenge of installing it lol), but didn't vibe with it too much, it felt like it was actively trying to prevent me from installing things (as i do it very often). Arch is just good old binary distro, easy to install, easy to use, no headaches (apart from grub breaking lmao). Looking back i don't think i could live without a package manager, these are so useful to me, and i don't think i can do a better job.

This looks really nice! I wonder what desktop you use and how do you get the terminal look like that? (I really love them!)

Sploon 3

I'm sorry, but I'm not the only one pronouncing it "gilfs" in my head, right?

i have that same laptop lol

I have been gaming on Debian and Arch for some time now, but figuring out how this stuff works, was real adventure lmao I gotta read through it, surely I'll learn some more stuff lol

In the spectrum of "Extreme Tinker through Extreme casual", most gamers just want the easiest thing because they just want plug-and-play to work right out of the box. That wasn't always the case in the olden days when nearly every game had an operating system in the game. Just look at Cakez (a game dev youtuber). He is very much "casual" in that compiling a language makes him mega-sad, so copying files onto a directory is "okay" for him because when he assumes the very first installation method in any documentation must mean it's the "best and fastest" way to install the software (Odin programming language being that software). If people are looking for that minimal OS setup for gaming and they are capable of being that "mega-tinkerer" who solves all their issues independently, GLFS is a wonderful option for 0.000037% of the world population.

I'm a beginner when it comes to Linux. Can you tell me what the advantage of using Linux from Scratch is over a regular distro?

The HyperX SoloCast is a great standalone starter mic btw :3

My first time building LFS was pretty early on in my linux journey. I had just installed Debian after lots of confusion (I was stuck on a macbook at the time) and I had heard about LFS, that installing it would teach me a lot about the software for linux and how it works. And teach it did. It got me used to the command line and the common commands, and it helped me understand how installing packages actually works. And once it was installed, I had lots of fun configuring it, like making my own bash prompt and /etc/issue, and then installing a bunch of other BLFS packages. Eventually I got a bit frustrated with it because it didn't have an easy way to manage or uninstall packages, so I moved on to try a few other distros before settling on Arch. But even now I want to go back to LFS, to re-experience building a distro that's truly my own. Especially after learning about alternative options like musl, runit, busybox, and libressl, I've wanted to forge my own path and build my own distro, not necessarily based on the LFS book, but using my own tools, to experiment and see what I can do. I built a small distro based on musl and busybox for my old raspberry pi to give it new life as a web and mail server, and in the process I even came up with a fun package management solution (involving installing packages into squashfs images and mounting them together as an overlay filesystem) that I want to try and build a full distro with. And I've also been messing around with trying to build a distro with an alternative C compiler, and got pretty far with tinycc. My current goal is to try and reimplement my package mounter in C so it doesn't have to rely on busybox, and after that I think building a full distro under my system will be much easier. Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is that even though I'm not using it as my daily driver, my love for the spirit of LFS is still strong, and someday I want to go back to using a distro built by my own hands.

Nice! The algorithm arbitrarily suggested this video to me. Finally, another LFS lover/user! :-) I used BLFS (KDE) as my main desktop machine for ages. I don't currently, but I'm sure i will again soon. I love that you're using dwm in an LFS, which iirc the book does not discuss. Good on you!

Kiddo wtf you are something else, pure gem. I considered my self really advenced linux user. But I would never use LFS as a dayly driver and gaming rig. Yet you are doing this after using linux for a 1 year so far. Mate mis whatever you identyfa as. You are genius. I use linux for 10 years, I would not dare to compile LFS. Respect a metric tone of that

My top 3 favorite Linux distributions: Arch Linux Debian Linux From Scratch LFS has worked every time I try installing it whereas Gentoo has only worked twice after reboot.

Looking forward to this

Actual respect

least bloated gaming setup

Found you through your appearance on brodies show, love the dedication to get LFS up and running. Keep up the cool stuff!

Respect

Saved for later. Will give this a go through when I try putting Linux onto this rig sometime in the near future.