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thank you and so needed now

as soon as a dude mentions the Jewish-Roman Wars, you KNOW he's about to bust out the "actually we're indigneous" shtick. hasbara is painfully predictable.

Sorry to disagree with Shaul Magid, נ"י, there was a longing for Zion, without Herzl's brand of "political-Liberal Zionism", for instance in 1881 the Yemenite Jews came to Ottoman Eretz Yisroel and the "Perushim" Lithuanian Jews of the "Old Yishuv" arrived there in 1808/9 - neither had read or even heard of Herzl! Elsewhere Shaul Magid נ"י, discusses Rabbi Kahane, הי"ד, which, unfortunately he does not talk about here! Rabbi Kahane, הי"ד. was the original post-Zionist/anti-Zionist/counter-Zionist! And, nary a mention in this discussion. Jews pray for Zion and their return for Millenia.

Yup! Zionism is morally untenable

55:00 in a meaningful sense, the Biblical narrative of our ancestors coming from elsewhere!and becoming the true "rightful" inhabitants… Well… It's the same narrative.

For the 1970s-on generation, Zionism was presented as a substitute for a commitment to a life of Torah and Mitzvot.

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If a group wants to pride itself on its separateness and alienation from its host, it should not be surprised if the host has an adverse reaction.

Lies are the magick of white supremacy… Sociopaths are created… Truth is righteousness… God is Love… The righteous reflect God-in truth & love. Take those statements however you want…

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Watched 20 minutes and already have fundamental objections like" - Describing Israel as a necessity - supremacist settler colonialism is NOT a necessity - Hinting that just as the US is a reality despite its "original sin" Israel too should be accepted as a reality. Should we have accepted White South Africa using the same argument or that American slave owners should have carried on holding on to their slaves? Of course not. - Saying Israel is a Jewish homeland but also the homeland of another people - NOT in the same way. The "other people" were living there. The homelands of the settler colonists were elsewhere.

Incredible talk. Thank you Shaul and Peter 🍉

אוי לנו😢

This talk needs to shared right now, more than ever!

We are the pure innocent expressions or aspects of God expression that extends from the eternal now. God gave us the freedom to explore in the heavenly kingdoms any idea as a free mind. As an innocent child who plays with curiosity & an open heart, we explore the “what if we were separate & special idea.” This gave way to image making (idols) that would effect our reality. God’s son in his playfulness became conscious of itself with a belief that we are a perishable form that needs at all costs to protect its psychological self & physical personal little self as an ego( acronym for edging God out). The real trauma was the belief that we killed God off & now we are sentenced to hell. This terrorized God’s son(suns) so much, we had to play the victim( even though we believe we are the victimizer) by projecting it out onto others whether it is our special tribal family or our so called enemies. This is all the sleeping mind’s illusion that the impossible actually happened. We hid in time space & form to project that we need to redeem ourselves before God can grant us permission back into the kingdom. This false Mind has corrected itself by God’s symbol of a higher Mind savior. The Jews may call it the Mashiac which will appear in the future and the Christians call it Jesus the Christ who appeared in the past. A illusive body that has a story in time cannot exit in the now. We hide our innocence by deciding to believe (there is lie in that word) that we are separate bodies that can be effected by outside circumstances. God has given a way back by our higher minds (above the battleground of conflict & hate) to realize as an observer of these barriers to Truth that we are loved, beloved & loving extensions of our source. There is no world of form. There is just the Holy condition of our light Mind with no shadows or clouds to block the Truth about our authentic self.

So very heartbreaking and so true😔😢. Friends who have traveled to Israel have been appalled by the treatment of the Palestinians. They also were intimidated by questioning at airport and ck points. We are witnessing it here in America due to a corrupt former President. Prayers for humanity🙏🙌🏼

These are so different from the usual offerings related to trauma and world events.

Tirzah darling, Jewish trauma is our Jewish Karma for the racism that's embeded in the Jewish faith and Constitution a.k.a The Torah: e.g.: Book of Sam 1 15:3: “Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.” and also here: Deut. 20:16-18 “However, you must not let any living thing survive among the cities of these people the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. You must completely destroy them - the Hethite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite ….” So please enough with the victimhood bullshit. The Jewish religion is Satanic, Zionism is evil and you can't put a lipstik on that pig. Rabbi Yeshua was the first and last Rabi to get it right and we (yes, we the Jews) demanded the Roman government crucify him for telling it like it is.

Thank you so much for sharing with us your thoughtful words and your perspectives. As I go about my day, now, after watching this, I plan to fully engage in my life as a curious, and willing participant!

Thank you, all.

from Akeidat Yitzhak 15c:14 " No one is wise in Torah but the master of traumatic experience." Such a needed discussion. Thank you Tirzah and Gabor.

Thank you very much for this!

I am a daughter of a Holocaust Survivor from Dachau. My dad taught us kindness. He taught us to be upstanders, not bystanders, for every victim of abuse, not just Jews. I understand many people didn't have my dad or his moral compass. This conversation was difficult for me, but I know the truth of your words. I believe there's much healing to be done for both the Palestinian and the Israelis. I imagine you both will be labeled by many as "self hating Jews," It is not easy to expose our darkness and our shortcomings, but it is necessary. I hope to live in a world where we are ready to face our demons and be The Light Unto the Nations we are supposed to be. I agree that until we heal the trauma that runs through us, we are just bound to repeat the difficulties and suffering we've experienced. I appreciate both of you for your bravery and Courage in pointing us to where we need to be for healing our people, and all people.