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Recoil sensitivity and barrel heat is spraying all that expensive ammo all over the place. Not really accomplishing much AB. Great caliber, decent looking rifle. If the 30-06 can't do it, this one can lol. I guess it's pretty darn good considering that old ammo you shooting. Back in 2012 I had pre64 Mod 70 in 270 and it dearly loved those old winchester superX silver tips (130gr). I had purchased several boxes at a gun show in Ft. Worth in 2011 and had the bullseye nailed <1". Great rifle and then all of a sudden something didn't feel right and the guy next to me said my bullets were hitting the ground about 60 yds downrange. I pulled the bullets and primers on all of them after that. Be careful with old ammo.

My 6 inch Python "did not penetrate" a standard steel deck plate at 20 feet using.357 magnum 158 grain metal piercing bullet. Made a dent, but did not penetrate!

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Interesting because I have to order 17mach2 over the internet in my area. I can get all the 17hmr I want though. Keep in mind however my comment is 3 years after this video . Seems like there is always a shortage of some caliber now days

Use a fresh target please.

the twist on the barrel is about 1 in 66 . round balls .

357 is adequate, but not ideal. What is ideal? Powerful rifle rounds in quick succession. Anything short of that and it’s up to the big guy upstairs.

Records from fur trading company's and from balls found around Indian town's show that the 58 was the most popular bore size followed closely by .62/20 bore. I think small game and birds were a secondary concern. The 58 caliber smoothbores would do well enough with shot but do very well with ball. I might try to find a 58 smooth bore barrel.

Great history thanks for sharing your knowledge!

Get a real Winchester deluxe

Mine is just a Dimick made in StLouis.

Looks like it needs some wadding to pack that black powder in tighter

You forgot to mention browning

If you have access to a small size Arbor press that would be perfect to use instead of a 2 lb rubber Hammer

Nice video, VERY NICE RIFLE. I recently went to this Gunshop that is the BEST GUNSHOP I've ever been makes practically ALL gunshows look PALE as far as inventory and diversity!!! I picked up one of the Japanese made Winchester Model 52B Sporter used but in BEAUTIFUL CONDITION with the original box! While I was there they had a ORIGINAL Winchester model 52B Sporter with the receiver peep sight but the arm of the peep was slightly bent down and the price tag was over $5,000, I forgot the exact amount because that price was out of the question. Other than the bent sight, it looked in EXCELLENT CONDITION!!! I ALSO picked up on a Japanese made Winchester model 1885 in 22lr. They had 2 other ones: .223 and 45/70. I LOVE MY 22LRS, so I was VERY PLEASED!!! At another time going to the same Gunshop I got a Walther PP Sport in MINT CONDITION with the original box, 3 spare magazines, 2 barrels (6" and 8") with the counter weight for the 8" barrel, test target and the PAPER WORK of the soldier who bought it while he was stationed in Germany back in 1969. He brought it back so NO IMPORT MARKINGS!!!! 😮😊 I'd like to see and hear how your model 52B shoots, I've got a scope on mine because it fits better in the safe without it!!! 😊😊

This kit is definitely on my wishlist!!

Good video Elmer Fud

I absolutely love mine. Made in 1989, I've been forced to carry a Glock the last twenty years, but the Smith and my Beretta 92 Ghost are still my best friends.

I have one from 79

I got the one with the 4.2 inch barrel and that's my carry gun

GOT ONE OF THE THOMPSON CENTER 50 CAL HAWKIN ,SHOOTS GREAT NICE GUN FLINT LOCK LOVE IT KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY 😊

Has your Midland any type issues or cautions resulting firing magnum rounds via the insert?

I picked up a nice used Great Plains Rifle and it came with a 54 Cal. Great Plains Hunter barrel too. I find it to be a nice rifle, but yes, not an exact copy of the real thing.

Could you put a scope on these model 52 rifles ?

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Nice video, GREAT RIFLES!!!! I was at a unbelievable well stocked gunshop in a LITTLE PODUNK TOWN in Eastern NC! They had a ORIGINAL Winchester model 52B SPORTER for sale with a obviously bent arm on the Lyman rear peep sight, otherwise it was in it was in pretty good condition. The price was over $5000, forgot the EXACT AMOUNT because I wouldn't pay THAT MUCH MONEY for a 22lr no matter how rare it was! But at the same place they also had a modern Japanese copy of it that was BEAUTIFUL in like new condition for $1095, got it for a $1000 cash out the door. I had to buy and mount the proper scope mounts for it and mount a scope in order to check out the ACCURACY. I'LL let you know later!😮😊

Thanks for the video.

3:40 I beg to differ. I know a guy that shot dead three VC armed with automatic rifles (one AKM, two SKS) in Vietnam using a Ruger Blackhawk 357. The story behind it is he had some tiff with the armorer who refused to issue him a 1911, so he went and purchased the Blackhawk at the PX (which is all they had). This was during the Tet offensive. The guy wasn't Rambo or anything either. 5:08 stop saying that, i'm looking at real life. Anyway I agree .38 spl *IS* the easiest cartridge to reload, and you can probably get 100 or more reloads on a case.

Beats a rock I guess...

My father owned one of those it was a kit that he put together

I loaded up the 45long colt 230 full metal jackets it passed the 255 grain lead hands down whats you thoughts on that.

Let's be pals. We can talk practical use of muskets together. I'm learning almost no one is studying Natives from the South, let alone portraying them. You be the Yankee Indian and I'll be the Confederate Indian.

I have had my own two eyes on an original Carolina "Type G" here in South Carolina that had the Great Horned Serpent side plate. So much for the forum "experts" who claim it was only on Northwest guns. Kind of reminds me of a reenactor who appointed himself expert on Native Americans who claimed we *_NEVER_* wore glasses. Well, I guess he *_NEVER_* bothered to read the writings of John Adair.

My ancestors fought with the Butler Rangers during American Rev. They were stationed in Niagara On The Lake , Fort George. They ran with the Mohawk natives under Joseph Brant and made many raids down into the American territories. Bush warfare .

I read somewhere that Black Powder rifles could outmatch smokeless rifles for accuracy right up to mid 20th century

Got a Ruger .357 mag new Blackhawk stainless, 4.68 inches, a great handgun, reliable, easy to handle, and still light enough to carry; with the right loads it is powerful and one never feels inappropriately heeled in the backcountry while on the hiking trail or in the camp for protection. It's a keeper. I will never part with it! And it looks pretty darn nostalgic for those who like the visual appeal and click sounds of classic revolvers over the designs and rigs-rags metal noise of plastic-aluminum semi-autos.

Does it all

That's not a factory CVA barrel is it?

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The trade gun or fowler gets all the print but truth be told, the natives and the militia used anything they could get. The Indians being allied to the French probably got a lot of surplus French muskets. The model 1718 and 1728 Charleyville would have been very commonly seen on the French side. Rogers Rangers used military muskets as well but they were usually "bobbed" or cut down Bess's to make them easier to manage in the woods. A captured Charleyville wouldn't have been out of place among the ranks of Rogers Rangers. The natives often had cut down muskets as well. Some short enough to hide under their blanket robes.

Is your rifle an early CVA with 45 caliber barrel and brass ram-rod Ferrells or is it a later model in 50 caliber?

Predecessor to the single shot shotgun

Now, that quite a respectable group.

Drum roll. My thoughts are that God should declare that Rudy Giuliani remains as incumbent mayor, and that He should declare, "We are Going to the Capitol".

Track of the Wolf has a drawing up to scale, of the Hawken. The parts are also numbered for ordering from Track. I cast my first Nosecap from wheel weight alloy, then filed it down. The rest I have ordered from Track. I have been to the original shop in Hagerstown, and seen Jim Bridgers rifle in the smithonian. My wife's great great Grandfather carried one when he Walked the Plains to Utah. I will be making a copy of it one day. I just finished my Gemmer, and I am refiinishing it this day. I am doing some leather work, kinda rough, and then I can get to the Cannon rifle. I already made the barrel, and breech plug. Oh yeah, I hope you made toe plates for the rifles. Easy to do, the hardware store has steel in the width and you can cut the front with a jewelers saw. Kinda fun for sure. Good luck they look good so far. Doc

Nose caps on all Hawkens were steel. Polished and left on the stock. Same with the wedges and tenon plates. These were also left in the stock and also steel. They were never removed from the stock after installation.

Also, it was routine to move the sights as the shooter got older. Lead was used to filll the dovetail, and a new dovetail was filed into the barrel. The old dovetail was filled in and pounded flat, and the new dovetail was used.

The bolsters need to be sharpened. The Hawken bros also made the edges front and back were equal.

Is there a website to buy one of these? I'd love to have one here at the house.